Diff/ gearbox bitsNpieces

OK Phil i have been onto syncrospares in the UK and have arranged all
pieces necessary for operation. Alot cheaper than i first thought it
was going to be which is a nice suprise. Thanks for the help.
Dont suppose u wish to help fit it all, I will wait till i get all the
pieces and then throw box and diff in vehicle so possibly next week if
u r available.
Gotta have a sense of humour..
Thanks
I still haven't had time to fit my decoupler yet!



> syncrosity4now <syncrosity4now@yahoo.com.au> wrote:
>
> OK Phil i have been onto syncrospares in the UK and have arranged all
> pieces necessary for operation. Alot cheaper than i first thought it
> was going to be which is a nice suprise. Thanks for the help.
> Dont suppose u wish to help fit it all, I will wait till i get all the
> pieces and then throw box and diff in vehicle so possibly next week if
> u r available.
> Gotta have a sense of humour..
> Thanks
Welll, might i suggest u give it to me and whilst i am in process of
fitting my running gear, well u know the rest.




--- In Syncro_T3_Australia@yahoogroups.com, plander@... wrote:
>
> I still haven't had time to fit my decoupler yet!
>
>
>
> > syncrosity4now <syncrosity4now@...> wrote:
> >
> > OK Phil i have been onto syncrospares in the UK and have arranged all
> > pieces necessary for operation. Alot cheaper than i first thought it
> > was going to be which is a nice suprise. Thanks for the help.
> > Dont suppose u wish to help fit it all, I will wait till i get all the
> > pieces and then throw box and diff in vehicle so possibly next week if
> > u r available.
> > Gotta have a sense of humour..
> > Thanks
>
The said PUCH edition i know of for sale also has no decoupler and the
owner has had it like that for a long time and he has had no known
issues, so is the decoupler a neccesity or more so an add on extra??

Oh, offer still there to take the decoupler off your hands, i mean if
u are not using it i can tell u how it works and when it needs
replacing and u can think of it as a test unit.. Hahahahhah, nothing
like a good stir.
Do u like my idea?????



--- In Syncro_T3_Australia@yahoogroups.com, plander@... wrote:
>
> I still haven't had time to fit my decoupler yet!
>
>
>
> > syncrosity4now <syncrosity4now@...> wrote:
> >
> > OK Phil i have been onto syncrospares in the UK and have arranged all
> > pieces necessary for operation. Alot cheaper than i first thought it
> > was going to be which is a nice suprise. Thanks for the help.
> > Dont suppose u wish to help fit it all, I will wait till i get all the
> > pieces and then throw box and diff in vehicle so possibly next week if
> > u r available.
> > Gotta have a sense of humour..
> > Thanks
>
The principal benefit of a decoupler is that you can decouple the VC when making full lock turns on very grippy surfaces, thus taking a big load off the entire driveline and tyres. 
 
As VC's age, they begin engaging earlier and earlier, generally referred to as an "aggressive" VC, which imposes even higher loads. 
 
There is nothing wrong with running without a decoupler - after all, most Syncros in the world run without them.  Our Syncros will never get any younger, so some of us have gone the expensive path of reducing peak loads on the driveline by fitting a decoupler.  They are expensive, no matter where you get them from.
 
I run in 4WD all the time, except for the full lock manoeuvres mentioned above, for the many benefits of full time 4WD - road grip, braking and cornering mainly.
 
There has been some silly correspondence on the various  Syncro sites around the world to the effect that running in 2WD gives considerably better fuel consumption than full time 4WD.  Not so.  I ran a test of 10,000 km in 4WD, then 10,000 km in 2WD, identical conditions for the total 20,000 km.  The result was 0.08 km/litre BETTER in full time 4WD.
 
Les
 
 
 
----- Original Message -----
Sent: Saturday, April 14, 2007 12:11 PM
Subject: [Syncro_T3_Australia] Re: Diff/ gearbox bitsNpieces

The said PUCH edition i know of for sale also has no decoupler and the
owner has had it like that for a long time and he has had no known
issues, so is the decoupler a neccesity or more so an add on extra??

Oh, offer still there to take the decoupler off your hands, i mean if
u are not using it i can tell u how it works and when it needs
replacing and u can think of it as a test unit.. Hahahahhah, nothing
like a good stir.
Do u like my idea?????

--- In Syncro_T3_Australia @yahoogroups. com, plander@... wrote:
>
> I still haven't had time to fit my decoupler yet!
>
>
>
> > syncrosity4now <syncrosity4now@ ...> wrote:
> >
> > OK Phil i have been onto syncrospares in the UK and have arranged all
> > pieces necessary for operation. Alot cheaper than i first thought it
> > was going to be which is a nice suprise. Thanks for the help.
> > Dont suppose u wish to help fit it all, I will wait till i get all the
> > pieces and then throw box and diff in vehicle so possibly next week if
> > u r available.
> > Gotta have a sense of humour..
> > Thanks
>

Thanks Les and yes i was aware of the benefits of having the
decoupler. I guess i cant expect my syncro to last forever if i want
to keep it purely VW.
So i guess really if you use the syncro for what is made and not a
city softroader then vc lifespan should be extended..

--- In Syncro_T3_Australia@yahoogroups.com, "Les Harris"
<leslieharris@...> wrote:
>
> The principal benefit of a decoupler is that you can decouple the VC
when making full lock turns on very grippy surfaces, thus taking a big
load off the entire driveline and tyres.
>
> As VC's age, they begin engaging earlier and earlier, generally
referred to as an "aggressive" VC, which imposes even higher loads.
>
> There is nothing wrong with running without a decoupler - after all,
most Syncros in the world run without them. Our Syncros will never
get any younger, so some of us have gone the expensive path of
reducing peak loads on the driveline by fitting a decoupler. They are
expensive, no matter where you get them from.
>
> I run in 4WD all the time, except for the full lock manoeuvres
mentioned above, for the many benefits of full time 4WD - road grip,
braking and cornering mainly.
>
> There has been some silly correspondence on the various Syncro
sites around the world to the effect that running in 2WD gives
considerably better fuel consumption than full time 4WD. Not so. I
ran a test of 10,000 km in 4WD, then 10,000 km in 2WD, identical
conditions for the total 20,000 km. The result was 0.08 km/litre
BETTER in full time 4WD.
>
> Les
>
>
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: syncrosity4now
> To: Syncro_T3_Australia@yahoogroups.com
> Sent: Saturday, April 14, 2007 12:11 PM
> Subject: [Syncro_T3_Australia] Re: Diff/ gearbox bitsNpieces
>
>
> The said PUCH edition i know of for sale also has no decoupler and the
> owner has had it like that for a long time and he has had no known
> issues, so is the decoupler a neccesity or more so an add on extra??
>
> Oh, offer still there to take the decoupler off your hands, i mean if
> u are not using it i can tell u how it works and when it needs
> replacing and u can think of it as a test unit.. Hahahahhah, nothing
> like a good stir.
> Do u like my idea?????
>
> --- In Syncro_T3_Australia@yahoogroups.com, plander@ wrote:
> >
> > I still haven't had time to fit my decoupler yet!
> >
> >
> >
> > > syncrosity4now <syncrosity4now@> wrote:
> > >
> > > OK Phil i have been onto syncrospares in the UK and have
arranged all
> > > pieces necessary for operation. Alot cheaper than i first
thought it
> > > was going to be which is a nice suprise. Thanks for the help.
> > > Dont suppose u wish to help fit it all, I will wait till i get
all the
> > > pieces and then throw box and diff in vehicle so possibly next
week if
> > > u r available.
> > > Gotta have a sense of humour..
> > > Thanks
> >
>
Everything wears through use.  We do, our Syncros do.  Most of us use them on-road.  Mine is, so far, a daily driver.  Just occasionally, I get it on dirt, usually fire trails.  Very few people use them as full time off-roaders.  As designed, they are a very competent all-purpose vehicle, with exceptionally good all round capabilities.  The original prototype Syncros did not have a VC, they had a solid drive to the front axle, engaged by a cable operated to produce 4WD.  There are "solid" drives available, which provide either 2WD or 4WD but using these devices on grippy surfaces (dry bitumen) will wreck the drive train in short order.  The production VAG system is one of the best compromises possible.
 
Les
 
 
----- Original Message -----
Sent: Saturday, April 14, 2007 6:12 PM
Subject: [Syncro_T3_Australia] Re: Diff/ gearbox bitsNpieces

Thanks Les and yes i was aware of the benefits of having the
decoupler. I guess i cant expect my syncro to last forever if i want
to keep it purely VW.
So i guess really if you use the syncro for what is made and not a
city softroader then vc lifespan should be extended..

.
,_._,___
Yes i agree a good comprise has and was reached when engineering these
vehicle otherwise i dont think i would have one. I n saying that i am
wondering if the AAM & 6Z model syncro gearbox/diff in what syncro i
am unsure(1.9TDI etc)are still available like most syncro bits and pieces?
Also what are the 4wd systems used on these models auto locking diffs
or manual etc??

Regarding the prototypes i wonder if they are the gearboxed vehicles
above???

Andrew


--- In Syncro_T3_Australia@yahoogroups.com, "Les Harris"
<leslieharris@...> wrote:
>
> Everything wears through use. We do, our Syncros do. Most of us
use them on-road. Mine is, so far, a daily driver. Just
occasionally, I get it on dirt, usually fire trails. Very few people
use them as full time off-roaders. As designed, they are a very
competent all-purpose vehicle, with exceptionally good all round
capabilities. The original prototype Syncros did not have a VC, they
had a solid drive to the front axle, engaged by a cable operated to
produce 4WD. There are "solid" drives available, which provide either
2WD or 4WD but using these devices on grippy surfaces (dry bitumen)
will wreck the drive train in short order. The production VAG system
is one of the best compromises possible.
>
> Les
>
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: syncrosity4now
> To: Syncro_T3_Australia@yahoogroups.com
> Sent: Saturday, April 14, 2007 6:12 PM
> Subject: [Syncro_T3_Australia] Re: Diff/ gearbox bitsNpieces
>
>
> Thanks Les and yes i was aware of the benefits of having the
> decoupler. I guess i cant expect my syncro to last forever if i want
> to keep it purely VW.
> So i guess really if you use the syncro for what is made and not a
> city softroader then vc lifespan should be extended..
>
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> syncrosity4now <syncrosity4now@yahoo.com.au> wrote:
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> Yes i agree a good comprise has and was reached when engineering these
> vehicle otherwise i dont think i would have one. I n saying that i am
> wondering if the AAM & 6Z model syncro gearbox/diff in what syncro i
> am unsure(1.9TDI etc)are still available like most syncro bits and
> pieces?

The ADN & 6ZA manual selectable 4WD gearboxes were available with 1.9 & 2.1 litre petrol engines only. The 1.9 TDI was never available in the syncro.

> Also what are the 4wd systems used on these models auto locking diffs
> or manual etc??

All locking diffs were manually operated. 4WD was automatically engaged when G or reverse was selected.
>
> Regarding the prototypes i wonder if they are the gearboxed vehicles
> above???
>

They were not prototypes, but production models.
They were not prototypes, but production models.
 
Phill,
 
Ah, live and learn.  What model numbers did they have?  I would like to learn more about them.
 
Les
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> Ah, live and learn. What model numbers did they have?

ADN & 6ZA
--- In Syncro_T3_Australia@yahoogroups.com, "Les Harris"
<leslieharris@...> wrote:
>
> They were not prototypes, but production models.
>
> Phill,
>
> Ah, live and learn. What model numbers did they have? I would like
to learn more about them.
>
> Les
> ,___
>Phil & Les
Could they have been the one used in the t2 bay window syncro
< Prototype > ? How many bay window <production models> were made
Glad i am not the only one who surfs the web for tiny bits of
information on useles tidbits. Now these model of gearbox were both
available in 34.7 & 38.7 and had no viscous coupling.
Maybe South African models of Syncro?
The ADK front diff was only prototype use; Manufacture???

Andrew


--- In Syncro_T3_Australia@yahoogroups.com, plander@... wrote:
>
>
>
>
> > Ah, live and learn. What model numbers did they have?
>
> ADN & 6ZA
>
> >Phil & Les
> Could they have been the one used in the t2 bay window syncro
> < Prototype > ? How many bay window <production models> were made

The bays were prototypes only. Only about 6(?) were made.
--- In Syncro_T3_Australia@yahoogroups.com, plander@... wrote:
>
>
>
> > >Phil & Les
> > Could they have been the one used in the t2 bay window
syncro
> > < Prototype > ? How many bay window <production models> were made
>
> The bays were prototypes only. Only about 6(?) were made.
>

Do any of those six prototypes still survive i wonder. Has anyone
thought of syncro conversion of a t2 or even a splity. Now that would
get some comment.
> nerdnetty <amortensen@westnet.com.au> wrote:
>
> --- In Syncro_T3_Australia@yahoogroups.com, plander@... wrote:
> >
> >
> >
> > > >Phil & Les
> > > Could they have been the one used in the t2 bay window
> syncro
> > > < Prototype > ? How many bay window <production models> were made
> >
> > The bays were prototypes only. Only about 6(?) were made.
> >
>
> Do any of those six prototypes still survive i wonder.

Yes, there is a few in Germany and one in the VW museum.
I'm not getting it from the web, but genuine VW Germany workshop manuals. The ones the dealers use and are not for sale to the public.

These were 38:7 only for the selectable 4WD and they had front and rear diff lock.
All South Africans had a viscous.



> syncrosity4now <syncrosity4now@yahoo.com.au> wrote:
>
> Glad i am not the only one who surfs the web for tiny bits of
> information on useles tidbits. Now these model of gearbox were both
> available in 34.7 & 38.7 and had no viscous coupling.
> Maybe South African models of Syncro?
> The ADK front diff was only prototype use; Manufacture???
>
> Andrew
>
>
> --- In Syncro_T3_Australia@yahoogroups.com, plander@... wrote:
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > > Ah, live and learn. What model numbers did they have?
> >
> > ADN & 6ZA
> >
It would interesting to view the setup of one of these vehicles and
ask why VW never opted for this version considering almost every other
4wd manufacturer chose something like this system of activation, for
diff locks.
I wonder if it is a better system??
And is it the same acvtivation as the early protypes(cable); or is it
maybe something completely different considering the T3 syncro was
costing VW money to produce and sell at a loss, so thinking it may
have been a cheaper inferior system??

Andrew


--- In Syncro_T3_Australia@yahoogroups.com, plander@... wrote:
>
> I'm not getting it from the web, but genuine VW Germany workshop
manuals. The ones the dealers use and are not for sale to the public.
>
> These were 38:7 only for the selectable 4WD and they had front and
rear diff lock.
> All South Africans had a viscous.
>
>
>
> > syncrosity4now <syncrosity4now@...> wrote:
> >
> > Glad i am not the only one who surfs the web for tiny bits of
> > information on useles tidbits. Now these model of gearbox were both
> > available in 34.7 & 38.7 and had no viscous coupling.
> > Maybe South African models of Syncro?
> > The ADK front diff was only prototype use; Manufacture???
> >
> > Andrew
> >
> >
> > --- In Syncro_T3_Australia@yahoogroups.com, plander@ wrote:
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > > Ah, live and learn. What model numbers did they have?
> > >
> > > ADN & 6ZA
> > >
>