Driveshaft

1
Hi Group,Great to hear that DOTVW was a good weekend,(with some unexpected complications).Maybe next year there can be even more Buses!
Some questions to all,
Has anyone ever had their Driveshaft balanced?
Does the dampner ever wear out?
When you pull your tailshaft out,do you follow the manual?,I never have.
My vehicle now drives better than it ever has.I now have new shockies all round,poly urathane lower bushes,bushes, were badly worn out,Yoky, Geolander 16'' tyres,new front cv boots and badly needed wheel alignment.Took the bus out Boat Harbour Monday for test drive,She'll be right for Christmas.
Front CV protectors,are they in the country.Does anyone know if I can get them before Christmas?
Is anyone in the market for a Decoupler?Good time to get one.A full kit from Stuart will cost 12 hungey,+machining of nose cone.Whats the cost in that?Does anyone know who can do the machining?
One from the States,with no machining,is going to cost way over 2 Grand.What do you guys think?Does anyone want to get one too?
Right into my rebuild know,Its funny how Syncro's get easier to work on , the more you work on them!
Give a wave on the road.
2
Ben

I've had new ujs pressed into my driveshaft but i have yet to refit it to test, previously it was vibrating. The rubber donut usually lasts ok, it is the bronze bush on the shaft it sits on that cause problems. Google Aidan Talbot in the UK he has a stripdown on his site.

There has been recent discussion on a new technique for curing driveline vibrations, that of slackening of the diff mounts, go for a short  drive and then retighten, I believe. Someone correct me if i'm missing something.

CV Protectors would probably have to be sourced overseas but you could make them really.

Gary

[2 0 / 2 1 Design]
28 Gwynne St
Richmond
Vic 3121
gary@twentytwentyone.net
www.twentytwentyone.net
Tel 3 9429 1868
Fax 3 9421 1110
Mob 0417 352782

On 18/11/2009, at 10:36 PM, bencroft96 wrote:

Hi Group,Great to hear that DOTVW was a good weekend,(with some unexpected complications) .Maybe next year there can be even more Buses!
Some questions to all,
Has anyone ever had their Driveshaft balanced?
Does the dampner ever wear out?
When you pull your tailshaft out,do you follow the manual?,I never have.
My vehicle now drives better than it ever has.I now have new shockies all round,poly urathane lower bushes,bushes, were badly worn out,Yoky, Geolander 16'' tyres,new front cv boots and badly needed wheel alignment.Took the bus out Boat Harbour Monday for test drive,She'll be right for Christmas.
Front CV protectors,are they in the country.Does anyone know if I can get them before Christmas?
Is anyone in the market for a Decoupler?Good time to get one.A full kit from Stuart will cost 12 hungey,+machining of nose cone.Whats the cost in that?Does anyone know who can do the machining?
One from the States,with no machining,is going to cost way over 2 Grand.What do you guys think?Does anyone want to get one too?
Right into my rebuild know,Its funny how Syncro's get easier to work on , the more you work on them!
Give a wave on the road. 



3
Ben,
Would you mind reporting on your wheel alignment please? What you found, what you did?
For example, but not limited to ... specs used, were they as per original specs or Derek Drews or some variation. Load factor?
Does it still pull to one side now?
Mine pulls to the left, naturally the road camber doesn't help, yet still no sign of tyre scrubbing, touch wood. I had an alignment done some time ago, it marginally improved it, I think they had some problems, had to alter settings beyond spec to try and improve it. Re-build the whole front end? I think not.
Cheers.
Ken 
To: Syncro_T3_Australia@yahoogroups.com
From: gary@twentytwentyone.net
Date: Thu, 19 Nov 2009 11:39:38 +1100
Subject: Re: [Syncro_T3_Australia] Driveshaft

 
Ben

I've had new ujs pressed into my driveshaft but i have yet to refit it to test, previously it was vibrating. The rubber donut usually lasts ok, it is the bronze bush on the shaft it sits on that cause problems. Google Aidan Talbot in the UK he has a stripdown on his site.

There has been recent discussion on a new technique for curing driveline vibrations, that of slackening of the diff mounts, go for a short  drive and then retighten, I believe. Someone correct me if i'm missing something.

CV Protectors would probably have to be sourced overseas but you could make them really.

Gary

[2 0 / 2 1 Design]
28 Gwynne St
Richmond
Vic 3121
gary@twentytwentyon e.net
www.twentytwentyone .net
Tel 3 9429 1868
Fax 3 9421 1110
Mob 0417 352782

On 18/11/2009, at 10:36 PM, bencroft96 wrote:

Hi Group,Great to hear that DOTVW was a good weekend,(with some unexpected complications) .Maybe next year there can be even more Buses!
Some questions to all,
Has anyone ever had their Driveshaft balanced?
Does the dampner ever wear out?
When you pull your tailshaft out,do you follow the manual?,I never have.
My vehicle now drives better than it ever has.I now have new shockies all round,poly urathane lower bushes,bushes, were badly worn out,Yoky, Geolander 16'' tyres,new front cv boots and badly needed wheel alignment.Took the bus out Boat Harbour Monday for test drive,She'll be right for Christmas.
Front CV protectors,are they in the country.Does anyone know if I can get them before Christmas?
Is anyone in the market for a Decoupler?Good time to get one.A full kit from Stuart will cost 12 hungey,+machining of nose cone.Whats the cost in that?Does anyone know who can do the machining?
One from the States,with no machining,is going to cost way over 2 Grand.What do you guys think?Does anyone want to get one too?
Right into my rebuild know,Its funny how Syncro's get easier to work on , the more you work on them!
Give a wave on the road. 






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Ken,I followed the Syncro pages of the Bentleys.When I measured distance A,it fell outside the range,less than 483,for height,so I gave instructions to adjust as recomended.Camber and Castor were adjusted within specs,no load.
The car has never felt like this.Lighter steering,steers straight and doesnt pull on hard braking.Not as 'Sports Car' as it was with road tyres,but what you would expect from an taller A/T tyre.Very minimal speed difference, as new tyres were only 10mm taller(1.4%).Off-road with 40 psi,the bus had no troubles on what is left of the dunes a Kurnell.
How are your lower control arm bushes.Mine were shot.The bus used to wander all over the place,and make a metallic clunk coming into my driveway.If yours look or sound gone replace them, with after market,two-piece jobs and get another WA.Your car shouldnt pull in anyway.
--- In Syncro_T3_Australia@yahoogroups.com, Ken Garratt <unclekenz@...> wrote:
>
>
> Ben,
>
> Would you mind reporting on your wheel alignment please? What you found, what you did?
>
> For example, but not limited to ... specs used, were they as per original specs or Derek Drews or some variation. Load factor?
>
> Does it still pull to one side now?
>
> Mine pulls to the left, naturally the road camber doesn't help, yet still no sign of tyre scrubbing, touch wood. I had an alignment done some time ago, it marginally improved it, I think they had some problems, had to alter settings beyond spec to try and improve it. Re-build the whole front end? I think not.
> Cheers.
>
> Ken
>
>
> To: Syncro_T3_Australia@yahoogroups.com
> From: gary@...
> Date: Thu, 19 Nov 2009 11:39:38 +1100
> Subject: Re: [Syncro_T3_Australia] Driveshaft
>
>
>
>
>
> Ben
>
>
> I've had new ujs pressed into my driveshaft but i have yet to refit it to test, previously it was vibrating. The rubber donut usually lasts ok, it is the bronze bush on the shaft it sits on that cause problems. Google Aidan Talbot in the UK he has a stripdown on his site.
>
>
> There has been recent discussion on a new technique for curing driveline vibrations, that of slackening of the diff mounts, go for a short drive and then retighten, I believe. Someone correct me if i'm missing something.
>
>
> CV Protectors would probably have to be sourced overseas but you could make them really.
>
>
> Gary
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> [2 0 / 2 1 Design]
> 28 Gwynne St
> Richmond
> Vic 3121
> gary@...
> www.twentytwentyone.net
> Tel 3 9429 1868
> Fax 3 9421 1110
> Mob 0417 352782
>
>
> On 18/11/2009, at 10:36 PM, bencroft96 wrote:
>
>
>
>
>
> Hi Group,Great to hear that DOTVW was a good weekend,(with some unexpected complications).Maybe next year there can be even more Buses!
> Some questions to all,
> Has anyone ever had their Driveshaft balanced?
> Does the dampner ever wear out?
> When you pull your tailshaft out,do you follow the manual?,I never have.
> My vehicle now drives better than it ever has.I now have new shockies all round,poly urathane lower bushes,bushes, were badly worn out,Yoky, Geolander 16'' tyres,new front cv boots and badly needed wheel alignment.Took the bus out Boat Harbour Monday for test drive,She'll be right for Christmas.
> Front CV protectors,are they in the country.Does anyone know if I can get them before Christmas?
> Is anyone in the market for a Decoupler?Good time to get one.A full kit from Stuart will cost 12 hungey,+machining of nose cone.Whats the cost in that?Does anyone know who can do the machining?
> One from the States,with no machining,is going to cost way over 2 Grand.What do you guys think?Does anyone want to get one too?
> Right into my rebuild know,Its funny how Syncro's get easier to work on , the more you work on them!
> Give a wave on the road.
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> _________________________________________________________________
> Looking for a date? View photos of singles in your area!
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Gary, the manual states,to pull or install drive shaft,loosen diff and transmission bolts.I have never done this. I have no decoupler and drive around 11 months a year in 2wd.I did not have any vibrations last year.I do now have a slight vibration between 60 and 65 kays.I am keen to try your suggestions on Monday and will report back.I was going to try the shaft in different positions,as my marks,didnt line up exactly.Could not work that out.

--- In Syncro_T3_Australia@yahoogroups.com, Gary Cookson <gary@...> wrote:
>
> Ben
>
> I've had new ujs pressed into my driveshaft but i have yet to refit it
> to test, previously it was vibrating. The rubber donut usually lasts
> ok, it is the bronze bush on the shaft it sits on that cause problems.
> Google Aidan Talbot in the UK he has a stripdown on his site.
>
> There has been recent discussion on a new technique for curing
> driveline vibrations, that of slackening of the diff mounts, go for a
> short drive and then retighten, I believe. Someone correct me if i'm
> missing something.
>
> CV Protectors would probably have to be sourced overseas but you could
> make them really.
>
> Gary
>
> [2 0 / 2 1 Design]
> 28 Gwynne St
> Richmond
> Vic 3121
> gary@...
> www.twentytwentyone.net
> Tel 3 9429 1868
> Fax 3 9421 1110
> Mob 0417 352782
>
> On 18/11/2009, at 10:36 PM, bencroft96 wrote:
>
> > Hi Group,Great to hear that DOTVW was a good weekend,(with some
> > unexpected complications).Maybe next year there can be even more
> > Buses!
> > Some questions to all,
> > Has anyone ever had their Driveshaft balanced?
> > Does the dampner ever wear out?
> > When you pull your tailshaft out,do you follow the manual?,I never
> > have.
> > My vehicle now drives better than it ever has.I now have new
> > shockies all round,poly urathane lower bushes,bushes, were badly
> > worn out,Yoky, Geolander 16'' tyres,new front cv boots and badly
> > needed wheel alignment.Took the bus out Boat Harbour Monday for test
> > drive,She'll be right for Christmas.
> > Front CV protectors,are they in the country.Does anyone know if I
> > can get them before Christmas?
> > Is anyone in the market for a Decoupler?Good time to get one.A full
> > kit from Stuart will cost 12 hungey,+machining of nose cone.Whats
> > the cost in that?Does anyone know who can do the machining?
> > One from the States,with no machining,is going to cost way over 2
> > Grand.What do you guys think?Does anyone want to get one too?
> > Right into my rebuild know,Its funny how Syncro's get easier to work
> > on , the more you work on them!
> > Give a wave on the road.
> >
> >
> >
> >
>
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Ben,
Thanks for that. One gets the feeling like being caught between a rock and a hard place when it comes to WA's. If the experts can't get it right, and it was a local VW service firm, well  ..................
No my front end doesn't wander all over the place nor does it make weird noises, banging etc., and the tyre wear looks quite even both sides. So except for the pulling left, as they say, if it aint broke, don't fix it. Still, one does have pause to wonder eh, why me ..........
Cheers.
Ken
 
To: Syncro_T3_Australia@yahoogroups.com
From: bencroft96@yahoo.com
Date: Thu, 19 Nov 2009 11:17:21 +0000
Subject: [Syncro_T3_Australia] Re: Driveshaft

 
Ken,I followed the Syncro pages of the Bentleys.When I measured distance A,it fell outside the range,less than 483,for height,so I gave instructions to adjust as recomended.Camber and Castor were adjusted within specs,no load.
The car has never felt like this.Lighter steering,steers straight and doesnt pull on hard braking.Not as 'Sports Car' as it was with road tyres,but what you would expect from an taller A/T tyre.Very minimal speed difference, as new tyres were only 10mm taller(1.4%) .Off-road with 40 psi,the bus had no troubles on what is left of the dunes a Kurnell.
How are your lower control arm bushes.Mine were shot.The bus used to wander all over the place,and make a metallic clunk coming into my driveway.If yours look or sound gone replace them, with after market,two-piece jobs and get another WA.Your car shouldnt pull in anyway.
--- In Syncro_T3_Australia @yahoogroups. com, Ken Garratt <unclekenz@. ..> wrote:
>
>
> Ben,
>
> Would you mind reporting on your wheel alignment please? What you found, what you did?
>
> For example, but not limited to ... specs used, were they as per original specs or Derek Drews or some variation. Load factor?
>
> Does it still pull to one side now?
>
> Mine pulls to the left, naturally the road camber doesn't help, yet still no sign of tyre scrubbing, touch wood. I had an alignment done some time ago, it marginally improved it, I think they had some problems, had to alter settings beyond spec to try and improve it. Re-build the whole front end? I think not.
> Cheers.
>
> Ken
>
>
> To: Syncro_T3_Australia @yahoogroups. com
> From: gary@...
> Date: Thu, 19 Nov 2009 11:39:38 +1100
> Subject: Re: [Syncro_T3_Australi a] Driveshaft
>
>
>
>
>
> Ben
>
>
> I've had new ujs pressed into my driveshaft but i have yet to refit it to test, previously it was vibrating. The rubber donut usually lasts ok, it is the bronze bush on the shaft it sits on that cause problems. Google Aidan Talbot in the UK he has a stripdown on his site.
>
>
> There has been recent discussion on a new technique for curing driveline vibrations, that of slackening of the diff mounts, go for a short drive and then retighten, I believe. Someone correct me if i'm missing something.
>
>
> CV Protectors would probably have to be sourced overseas but you could make them really.
>
>
> Gary
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> [2 0 / 2 1 Design]
> 28 Gwynne St
> Richmond
> Vic 3121
> gary@...
> www.twentytwentyone .net
> Tel 3 9429 1868
> Fax 3 9421 1110
> Mob 0417 352782
>
>
> On 18/11/2009, at 10:36 PM, bencroft96 wrote:
>
>
>
>
>
> Hi Group,Great to hear that DOTVW was a good weekend,(with some unexpected complications) .Maybe next year there can be even more Buses!
> Some questions to all,
> Has anyone ever had their Driveshaft balanced?
> Does the dampner ever wear out?
> When you pull your tailshaft out,do you follow the manual?,I never have.
> My vehicle now drives better than it ever has.I now have new shockies all round,poly urathane lower bushes,bushes, were badly worn out,Yoky, Geolander 16'' tyres,new front cv boots and badly needed wheel alignment.Took the bus out Boat Harbour Monday for test drive,She'll be right for Christmas.
> Front CV protectors,are they in the country.Does anyone know if I can get them before Christmas?
> Is anyone in the market for a Decoupler?Good time to get one.A full kit from Stuart will cost 12 hungey,+machining of nose cone.Whats the cost in that?Does anyone know who can do the machining?
> One from the States,with no machining,is going to cost way over 2 Grand.What do you guys think?Does anyone want to get one too?
> Right into my rebuild know,Its funny how Syncro's get easier to work on , the more you work on them!
> Give a wave on the road.
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
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Ken, I think it is quite easy.If you find a knowledgeable suspension joint,and tell them the specs,WA should be all good.

--- In Syncro_T3_Australia@yahoogroups.com, Ken Garratt <unclekenz@...> wrote:
>
>
> Ben,
>
> Thanks for that. One gets the feeling like being caught between a rock and a hard place when it comes to WA's. If the experts can't get it right, and it was a local VW service firm, well ..................
>
> No my front end doesn't wander all over the place nor does it make weird noises, banging etc., and the tyre wear looks quite even both sides. So except for the pulling left, as they say, if it aint broke, don't fix it. Still, one does have pause to wonder eh, why me ..........
>
> Cheers.
>
> Ken
>
>
>
> To: Syncro_T3_Australia@yahoogroups.com
> From: bencroft96@...
> Date: Thu, 19 Nov 2009 11:17:21 +0000
> Subject: [Syncro_T3_Australia] Re: Driveshaft
>
>
>
>
>
> Ken,I followed the Syncro pages of the Bentleys.When I measured distance A,it fell outside the range,less than 483,for height,so I gave instructions to adjust as recomended.Camber and Castor were adjusted within specs,no load.
> The car has never felt like this.Lighter steering,steers straight and doesnt pull on hard braking.Not as 'Sports Car' as it was with road tyres,but what you would expect from an taller A/T tyre.Very minimal speed difference, as new tyres were only 10mm taller(1.4%).Off-road with 40 psi,the bus had no troubles on what is left of the dunes a Kurnell.
> How are your lower control arm bushes.Mine were shot.The bus used to wander all over the place,and make a metallic clunk coming into my driveway.If yours look or sound gone replace them, with after market,two-piece jobs and get another WA.Your car shouldnt pull in anyway.
> --- In Syncro_T3_Australia@yahoogroups.com, Ken Garratt <unclekenz@> wrote:
> >
> >
> > Ben,
> >
> > Would you mind reporting on your wheel alignment please? What you found, what you did?
> >
> > For example, but not limited to ... specs used, were they as per original specs or Derek Drews or some variation. Load factor?
> >
> > Does it still pull to one side now?
> >
> > Mine pulls to the left, naturally the road camber doesn't help, yet still no sign of tyre scrubbing, touch wood. I had an alignment done some time ago, it marginally improved it, I think they had some problems, had to alter settings beyond spec to try and improve it. Re-build the whole front end? I think not.
> > Cheers.
> >
> > Ken
> >
> >
> > To: Syncro_T3_Australia@yahoogroups.com
> > From: gary@
> > Date: Thu, 19 Nov 2009 11:39:38 +1100
> > Subject: Re: [Syncro_T3_Australia] Driveshaft
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > Ben
> >
> >
> > I've had new ujs pressed into my driveshaft but i have yet to refit it to test, previously it was vibrating. The rubber donut usually lasts ok, it is the bronze bush on the shaft it sits on that cause problems. Google Aidan Talbot in the UK he has a stripdown on his site.
> >
> >
> > There has been recent discussion on a new technique for curing driveline vibrations, that of slackening of the diff mounts, go for a short drive and then retighten, I believe. Someone correct me if i'm missing something.
> >
> >
> > CV Protectors would probably have to be sourced overseas but you could make them really.
> >
> >
> > Gary
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > [2 0 / 2 1 Design]
> > 28 Gwynne St
> > Richmond
> > Vic 3121
> > gary@
> > www.twentytwentyone.net
> > Tel 3 9429 1868
> > Fax 3 9421 1110
> > Mob 0417 352782
> >
> >
> > On 18/11/2009, at 10:36 PM, bencroft96 wrote:
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > Hi Group,Great to hear that DOTVW was a good weekend,(with some unexpected complications).Maybe next year there can be even more Buses!
> > Some questions to all,
> > Has anyone ever had their Driveshaft balanced?
> > Does the dampner ever wear out?
> > When you pull your tailshaft out,do you follow the manual?,I never have.
> > My vehicle now drives better than it ever has.I now have new shockies all round,poly urathane lower bushes,bushes, were badly worn out,Yoky, Geolander 16'' tyres,new front cv boots and badly needed wheel alignment.Took the bus out Boat Harbour Monday for test drive,She'll be right for Christmas.
> > Front CV protectors,are they in the country.Does anyone know if I can get them before Christmas?
> > Is anyone in the market for a Decoupler?Good time to get one.A full kit from Stuart will cost 12 hungey,+machining of nose cone.Whats the cost in that?Does anyone know who can do the machining?
> > One from the States,with no machining,is going to cost way over 2 Grand.What do you guys think?Does anyone want to get one too?
> > Right into my rebuild know,Its funny how Syncro's get easier to work on , the more you work on them!
> > Give a wave on the road.
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > __________________________________________________________
> > Looking for a date? View photos of singles in your area!
> > http://clk.atdmt.com/NMN/go/150855801/direct/01/
> >
>
>
>
>
>
> _________________________________________________________________
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>
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Hi Ben, yes i pulled mine without loosening the diff, i made marks so that it would go back in the same holes.

Depending on how many ks your bus has, it might be worth checking the condition of the internal bush but if you haven't used it in that time the driveshaft hasn't changed so must be something to do with the other suspension work. Be interesting to hear if the diff loosening works as i will be doing the same soon.

Gary

[2 0 / 2 1 Design]
28 Gwynne St
Richmond
Vic 3121
gary@twentytwentyone.net
www.twentytwentyone.net
Tel 3 9429 1868
Fax 3 9421 1110
Mob 0417 352782

On 19/11/2009, at 10:32 PM, bencroft96 wrote:

Gary, the manual states,to pull or install drive shaft,loosen diff and transmission bolts.I have never done this. I have no decoupler and drive around 11 months a year in 2wd.I did not have any vibrations last year.I do now have a slight vibration between 60 and 65 kays.I am keen to try your suggestions on Monday and will report back.I was going to try the shaft in different positions,as my marks,didnt line up exactly.Could not work that out.

--- In Syncro_T3_Australia @yahoogroups. com, Gary Cookson <gary@...> wrote:
>
> Ben
> 
> I've had new ujs pressed into my driveshaft but i have yet to refit it 
> to test, previously it was vibrating. The rubber donut usually lasts 
> ok, it is the bronze bush on the shaft it sits on that cause problems. 
> Google Aidan Talbot in the UK he has a stripdown on his site.
> 
> There has been recent discussion on a new technique for curing 
> driveline vibrations, that of slackening of the diff mounts, go for a 
> short drive and then retighten, I believe. Someone correct me if i'm 
> missing something.
> 
> CV Protectors would probably have to be sourced overseas but you could 
> make them really.
> 
> Gary
> 
> [2 0 / 2 1 Design]
> 28 Gwynne St
> Richmond
> Vic 3121
> gary@...
> www.twentytwentyone .net
> Tel 3 9429 1868
> Fax 3 9421 1110
> Mob 0417 352782
> 
> On 18/11/2009, at 10:36 PM, bencroft96 wrote:
> 
> > Hi Group,Great to hear that DOTVW was a good weekend,(with some 
> > unexpected complications) .Maybe next year there can be even more 
> > Buses!
> > Some questions to all,
> > Has anyone ever had their Driveshaft balanced?
> > Does the dampner ever wear out?
> > When you pull your tailshaft out,do you follow the manual?,I never 
> > have.
> > My vehicle now drives better than it ever has.I now have new 
> > shockies all round,poly urathane lower bushes,bushes, were badly 
> > worn out,Yoky, Geolander 16'' tyres,new front cv boots and badly 
> > needed wheel alignment.Took the bus out Boat Harbour Monday for test 
> > drive,She'll be right for Christmas.
> > Front CV protectors,are they in the country.Does anyone know if I 
> > can get them before Christmas?
> > Is anyone in the market for a Decoupler?Good time to get one.A full 
> > kit from Stuart will cost 12 hungey,+machining of nose cone.Whats 
> > the cost in that?Does anyone know who can do the machining?
> > One from the States,with no machining,is going to cost way over 2 
> > Grand.What do you guys think?Does anyone want to get one too?
> > Right into my rebuild know,Its funny how Syncro's get easier to work 
> > on , the more you work on them!
> > Give a wave on the road.
> >
> >
> >
> >
>


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Ben, Gary,

I've also previously removed/reinstalled the drive shaft ... didn't loosen anything else to do it either. My front diff has been out also and put back. For both scenarios, paint-on alignment markings I had previously done to the drive shaft and front diff mating surfaces are all I use to return them to their original positions. I've never had vibration problems ... touch wood.

Similar to you Ben, 99% of my driving is deliberately 2WD. Except in my case, I opted for a solid shaft, no regrets. If that strategy preserves expensive 4WD drive-train components, reserving 4WD usage only for when I feel I really need drive effort up front ... well that suits me just fine.

The diff loosening/alignment method was first reported on the US syncro website ... months ago. I've yet to read any negative posts concerning this method, I'm pretty sure a few people would have tried it by now, given the ongoing interest around the globe on this topic.

Cheers.

Ken

To: Syncro_T3_Australia@yahoogroups.com
From: gary@twentytwentyone.net
Date: Fri, 20 Nov 2009 08:41:43 +1100
Subject: Re: [Syncro_T3_Australia] Re: Driveshaft

 
Hi Ben, yes i pulled mine without loosening the diff, i made marks so that it would go back in the same holes.

Depending on how many ks your bus has, it might be worth checking the condition of the internal bush but if you haven't used it in that time the driveshaft hasn't changed so must be something to do with the other suspension work. Be interesting to hear if the diff loosening works as i will be doing the same soon.

Gary

[2 0 / 2 1 Design]
28 Gwynne St
Richmond
Vic 3121
gary@twentytwentyon e.net
www.twentytwentyone .net
Tel 3 9429 1868
Fax 3 9421 1110
Mob 0417 352782

On 19/11/2009, at 10:32 PM, bencroft96 wrote:

Gary, the manual states,to pull or install drive shaft,loosen diff and transmission bolts.I have never done this. I have no decoupler and drive around 11 months a year in 2wd.I did not have any vibrations last year.I do now have a slight vibration between 60 and 65 kays.I am keen to try your suggestions on Monday and will report back.I was going to try the shaft in different positions,as my marks,didnt line up exactly.Could not work that out.

--- In Syncro_T3_Australia @yahoogroups. com, Gary Cookson <gary@...> wrote:
>
> Ben
> 
> I've had new ujs pressed into my driveshaft but i have yet to refit it 
> to test, previously it was vibrating. The rubber donut usually lasts 
> ok, it is the bronze bush on the shaft it sits on that cause problems. 
> Google Aidan Talbot in the UK he has a stripdown on his site.
> 
> There has been recent discussion on a new technique for curing 
> driveline vibrations, that of slackening of the diff mounts, go for a 
> short drive and then retighten, I believe. Someone correct me if i'm 
> missing something.
> 
> CV Protectors would probably have to be sourced overseas but you could 
> make them really.
> 
> Gary
> 
> [2 0 / 2 1 Design]
> 28 Gwynne St
> Richmond
> Vic 3121
> gary@...
> www.twentytwentyone .net
> Tel 3 9429 1868
> Fax 3 9421 1110
> Mob 0417 352782
> 
> On 18/11/2009, at 10:36 PM, bencroft96 wrote:
> 
> > Hi Group,Great to hear that DOTVW was a good weekend,(with some 
> > unexpected complications) .Maybe next year there can be even more 
> > Buses!
> > Some questions to all,
> > Has anyone ever had their Driveshaft balanced?
> > Does the dampner ever wear out?
> > When you pull your tailshaft out,do you follow the manual?,I never 
> > have.
> > My vehicle now drives better than it ever has.I now have new 
> > shockies all round,poly urathane lower bushes,bushes, were badly 
> > worn out,Yoky, Geolander 16'' tyres,new front cv boots and badly 
> > needed wheel alignment.Took the bus out Boat Harbour Monday for test 
> > drive,She'll be right for Christmas.
> > Front CV protectors,are they in the country.Does anyone know if I 
> > can get them before Christmas?
> > Is anyone in the market for a Decoupler?Good time to get one.A full 
> > kit from Stuart will cost 12 hungey,+machining of nose cone.Whats 
> > the cost in that?Does anyone know who can do the machining?
> > One from the States,with no machining,is going to cost way over 2 
> > Grand.What do you guys think?Does anyone want to get one too?
> > Right into my rebuild know,Its funny how Syncro's get easier to work 
> > on , the more you work on them!
> > Give a wave on the road.
> >
> >
> >
> >
>





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Ken,as funny as it seems,I have always marked the shaft before pulling it out,and never followed the manual.But,two years in a row,when I re-install the shaft the marks dont align perfecltly.I canot work this out.If I go another 90 degrees the marks are big time out!On Monday I will loosen both tranny and front diff mounts and go for a short drive.After tightening it all up I will report.

--- In Syncro_T3_Australia@yahoogroups.com, Ken Garratt <unclekenz@...> wrote:
>
>
> Ben, Gary,
>
> I've also previously removed/reinstalled the drive shaft ... didn't loosen anything else to do it either. My front diff has been out also and put back. For both scenarios, paint-on alignment markings I had previously done to the drive shaft and front diff mating surfaces are all I use to return them to their original positions. I've never had vibration problems ... touch wood.
>
> Similar to you Ben, 99% of my driving is deliberately 2WD. Except in my case, I opted for a solid shaft, no regrets. If that strategy preserves expensive 4WD drive-train components, reserving 4WD usage only for when I feel I really need drive effort up front ... well that suits me just fine.
>
> The diff loosening/alignment method was first reported on the US syncro website ... months ago. I've yet to read any negative posts concerning this method, I'm pretty sure a few people would have tried it by now, given the ongoing interest around the globe on this topic.
>
> Cheers.
>
> Ken
>
> To: Syncro_T3_Australia@yahoogroups.com
> From: gary@...
> Date: Fri, 20 Nov 2009 08:41:43 +1100
> Subject: Re: [Syncro_T3_Australia] Re: Driveshaft
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> Hi Ben, yes i pulled mine without loosening the diff, i made marks so that it would go back in the same holes.
>
> Depending on how many ks your bus has, it might be worth checking the condition of the internal bush but if you haven't used it in that time the driveshaft hasn't changed so must be something to do with the other suspension work. Be interesting to hear if the diff loosening works as i will be doing the same soon.
> Gary
> [2 0 / 2 1 Design]
> 28 Gwynne St
> Richmond
> Vic 3121
> gary@...
> www.twentytwentyone.net
> Tel 3 9429 1868
> Fax 3 9421 1110
> Mob 0417 352782
> On 19/11/2009, at 10:32 PM, bencroft96 wrote:Gary, the manual states,to pull or install drive shaft,loosen diff and transmission bolts.I have never done this. I have no decoupler and drive around 11 months a year in 2wd.I did not have any vibrations last year.I do now have a slight vibration between 60 and 65 kays.I am keen to try your suggestions on Monday and will report back.I was going to try the shaft in different positions,as my marks,didnt line up exactly.Could not work that out.
>
> --- In Syncro_T3_Australia@yahoogroups.com, Gary Cookson <gary@> wrote:
> >
> > Ben
> >
> > I've had new ujs pressed into my driveshaft but i have yet to refit it
> > to test, previously it was vibrating. The rubber donut usually lasts
> > ok, it is the bronze bush on the shaft it sits on that cause problems.
> > Google Aidan Talbot in the UK he has a stripdown on his site.
> >
> > There has been recent discussion on a new technique for curing
> > driveline vibrations, that of slackening of the diff mounts, go for a
> > short drive and then retighten, I believe. Someone correct me if i'm
> > missing something.
> >
> > CV Protectors would probably have to be sourced overseas but you could
> > make them really.
> >
> > Gary
> >
> > [2 0 / 2 1 Design]
> > 28 Gwynne St
> > Richmond
> > Vic 3121
> > gary@
> > www.twentytwentyone.net
> > Tel 3 9429 1868
> > Fax 3 9421 1110
> > Mob 0417 352782
> >
> > On 18/11/2009, at 10:36 PM, bencroft96 wrote:
> >
> > > Hi Group,Great to hear that DOTVW was a good weekend,(with some
> > > unexpected complications).Maybe next year there can be even more
> > > Buses!
> > > Some questions to all,
> > > Has anyone ever had their Driveshaft balanced?
> > > Does the dampner ever wear out?
> > > When you pull your tailshaft out,do you follow the manual?,I never
> > > have.
> > > My vehicle now drives better than it ever has.I now have new
> > > shockies all round,poly urathane lower bushes,bushes, were badly
> > > worn out,Yoky, Geolander 16'' tyres,new front cv boots and badly
> > > needed wheel alignment.Took the bus out Boat Harbour Monday for test
> > > drive,She'll be right for Christmas.
> > > Front CV protectors,are they in the country.Does anyone know if I
> > > can get them before Christmas?
> > > Is anyone in the market for a Decoupler?Good time to get one.A full
> > > kit from Stuart will cost 12 hungey,+machining of nose cone.Whats
> > > the cost in that?Does anyone know who can do the machining?
> > > One from the States,with no machining,is going to cost way over 2
> > > Grand.What do you guys think?Does anyone want to get one too?
> > > Right into my rebuild know,Its funny how Syncro's get easier to work
> > > on , the more you work on them!
> > > Give a wave on the road.
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> >
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Two or three times I have pulled the shaft out and the marks never allign perfect>Monday I will try lossening tranny and diff bolts if this doesnt help I will do the rear WA again.

--- In Syncro_T3_Australia@yahoogroups.com, Gary Cookson <gary@...> wrote:
>
> Hi Ben, yes i pulled mine without loosening the diff, i made marks so
> that it would go back in the same holes.
>
> Depending on how many ks your bus has, it might be worth checking the
> condition of the internal bush but if you haven't used it in that time
> the driveshaft hasn't changed so must be something to do with the
> other suspension work. Be interesting to hear if the diff loosening
> works as i will be doing the same soon.
>
> Gary
>
> [2 0 / 2 1 Design]
> 28 Gwynne St
> Richmond
> Vic 3121
> gary@...
> www.twentytwentyone.net
> Tel 3 9429 1868
> Fax 3 9421 1110
> Mob 0417 352782
>
> On 19/11/2009, at 10:32 PM, bencroft96 wrote:
>
> > Gary, the manual states,to pull or install drive shaft,loosen diff
> > and transmission bolts.I have never done this. I have no decoupler
> > and drive around 11 months a year in 2wd.I did not have any
> > vibrations last year.I do now have a slight vibration between 60 and
> > 65 kays.I am keen to try your suggestions on Monday and will report
> > back.I was going to try the shaft in different positions,as my
> > marks,didnt line up exactly.Could not work that out.
> >
> > --- In Syncro_T3_Australia@yahoogroups.com, Gary Cookson <gary@>
> > wrote:
> > >
> > > Ben
> > >
> > > I've had new ujs pressed into my driveshaft but i have yet to
> > refit it
> > > to test, previously it was vibrating. The rubber donut usually lasts
> > > ok, it is the bronze bush on the shaft it sits on that cause
> > problems.
> > > Google Aidan Talbot in the UK he has a stripdown on his site.
> > >
> > > There has been recent discussion on a new technique for curing
> > > driveline vibrations, that of slackening of the diff mounts, go
> > for a
> > > short drive and then retighten, I believe. Someone correct me if i'm
> > > missing something.
> > >
> > > CV Protectors would probably have to be sourced overseas but you
> > could
> > > make them really.
> > >
> > > Gary
> > >
> > > [2 0 / 2 1 Design]
> > > 28 Gwynne St
> > > Richmond
> > > Vic 3121
> > > gary@
> > > www.twentytwentyone.net
> > > Tel 3 9429 1868
> > > Fax 3 9421 1110
> > > Mob 0417 352782
> > >
> > > On 18/11/2009, at 10:36 PM, bencroft96 wrote:
> > >
> > > > Hi Group,Great to hear that DOTVW was a good weekend,(with some
> > > > unexpected complications).Maybe next year there can be even more
> > > > Buses!
> > > > Some questions to all,
> > > > Has anyone ever had their Driveshaft balanced?
> > > > Does the dampner ever wear out?
> > > > When you pull your tailshaft out,do you follow the manual?,I never
> > > > have.
> > > > My vehicle now drives better than it ever has.I now have new
> > > > shockies all round,poly urathane lower bushes,bushes, were badly
> > > > worn out,Yoky, Geolander 16'' tyres,new front cv boots and badly
> > > > needed wheel alignment.Took the bus out Boat Harbour Monday for
> > test
> > > > drive,She'll be right for Christmas.
> > > > Front CV protectors,are they in the country.Does anyone know if I
> > > > can get them before Christmas?
> > > > Is anyone in the market for a Decoupler?Good time to get one.A
> > full
> > > > kit from Stuart will cost 12 hungey,+machining of nose cone.Whats
> > > > the cost in that?Does anyone know who can do the machining?
> > > > One from the States,with no machining,is going to cost way over 2
> > > > Grand.What do you guys think?Does anyone want to get one too?
> > > > Right into my rebuild know,Its funny how Syncro's get easier to
> > work
> > > > on , the more you work on them!
> > > > Give a wave on the road.
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > >
> >
> >
> >
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Where is this internal bush you speak about.

--- In Syncro_T3_Australia@yahoogroups.com, Gary Cookson <gary@...> wrote:
>
> Hi Ben, yes i pulled mine without loosening the diff, i made marks so
> that it would go back in the same holes.
>
> Depending on how many ks your bus has, it might be worth checking the
> condition of the internal bush but if you haven't used it in that time
> the driveshaft hasn't changed so must be something to do with the
> other suspension work. Be interesting to hear if the diff loosening
> works as i will be doing the same soon.
>
> Gary
>
> [2 0 / 2 1 Design]
> 28 Gwynne St
> Richmond
> Vic 3121
> gary@...
> www.twentytwentyone.net
> Tel 3 9429 1868
> Fax 3 9421 1110
> Mob 0417 352782
>
> On 19/11/2009, at 10:32 PM, bencroft96 wrote:
>
> > Gary, the manual states,to pull or install drive shaft,loosen diff
> > and transmission bolts.I have never done this. I have no decoupler
> > and drive around 11 months a year in 2wd.I did not have any
> > vibrations last year.I do now have a slight vibration between 60 and
> > 65 kays.I am keen to try your suggestions on Monday and will report
> > back.I was going to try the shaft in different positions,as my
> > marks,didnt line up exactly.Could not work that out.
> >
> > --- In Syncro_T3_Australia@yahoogroups.com, Gary Cookson <gary@>
> > wrote:
> > >
> > > Ben
> > >
> > > I've had new ujs pressed into my driveshaft but i have yet to
> > refit it
> > > to test, previously it was vibrating. The rubber donut usually lasts
> > > ok, it is the bronze bush on the shaft it sits on that cause
> > problems.
> > > Google Aidan Talbot in the UK he has a stripdown on his site.
> > >
> > > There has been recent discussion on a new technique for curing
> > > driveline vibrations, that of slackening of the diff mounts, go
> > for a
> > > short drive and then retighten, I believe. Someone correct me if i'm
> > > missing something.
> > >
> > > CV Protectors would probably have to be sourced overseas but you
> > could
> > > make them really.
> > >
> > > Gary
> > >
> > > [2 0 / 2 1 Design]
> > > 28 Gwynne St
> > > Richmond
> > > Vic 3121
> > > gary@
> > > www.twentytwentyone.net
> > > Tel 3 9429 1868
> > > Fax 3 9421 1110
> > > Mob 0417 352782
> > >
> > > On 18/11/2009, at 10:36 PM, bencroft96 wrote:
> > >
> > > > Hi Group,Great to hear that DOTVW was a good weekend,(with some
> > > > unexpected complications).Maybe next year there can be even more
> > > > Buses!
> > > > Some questions to all,
> > > > Has anyone ever had their Driveshaft balanced?
> > > > Does the dampner ever wear out?
> > > > When you pull your tailshaft out,do you follow the manual?,I never
> > > > have.
> > > > My vehicle now drives better than it ever has.I now have new
> > > > shockies all round,poly urathane lower bushes,bushes, were badly
> > > > worn out,Yoky, Geolander 16'' tyres,new front cv boots and badly
> > > > needed wheel alignment.Took the bus out Boat Harbour Monday for
> > test
> > > > drive,She'll be right for Christmas.
> > > > Front CV protectors,are they in the country.Does anyone know if I
> > > > can get them before Christmas?
> > > > Is anyone in the market for a Decoupler?Good time to get one.A
> > full
> > > > kit from Stuart will cost 12 hungey,+machining of nose cone.Whats
> > > > the cost in that?Does anyone know who can do the machining?
> > > > One from the States,with no machining,is going to cost way over 2
> > > > Grand.What do you guys think?Does anyone want to get one too?
> > > > Right into my rebuild know,Its funny how Syncro's get easier to
> > work
> > > > on , the more you work on them!
> > > > Give a wave on the road.
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > >
> >
> >
> >
>
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Ben,
Too easy.
What it is ... unbeknowns to you, your son MURPHY found out about these critical marks and the little bugger got under there while you weren't looking and doctored them! Hair turning grey yet?   haha
Ken
 
To: Syncro_T3_Australia@yahoogroups.com
From: bencroft96@yahoo.com
Date: Fri, 20 Nov 2009 12:28:47 +0000
Subject: [Syncro_T3_Australia] Re: Driveshaft

 
Ken,as funny as it seems,I have always marked the shaft before pulling it out,and never followed the manual.But,two years in a row,when I re-install the shaft the marks dont align perfecltly.I canot work this out.If I go another 90 degrees the marks are big time out!On Monday I will loosen both tranny and front diff mounts and go for a short drive.After tightening it all up I will report.

--- In Syncro_T3_Australia @yahoogroups. com, Ken Garratt <unclekenz@. ..> wrote:
>
>
> Ben, Gary,
>
> I've also previously removed/reinstalled the drive shaft ... didn't loosen anything else to do it either. My front diff has been out also and put back. For both scenarios, paint-on alignment markings I had previously done to the drive shaft and front diff mating surfaces are all I use to return them to their original positions. I've never had vibration problems ... touch wood.
>
> Similar to you Ben, 99% of my driving is deliberately 2WD. Except in my case, I opted for a solid shaft, no regrets. If that strategy preserves expensive 4WD drive-train components, reserving 4WD usage only for when I feel I really need drive effort up front ... well that suits me just fine.
>
> The diff loosening/alignment method was first reported on the US syncro website ... months ago. I've yet to read any negative posts concerning this method, I'm pretty sure a few people would have tried it by now, given the ongoing interest around the globe on this topic.
>
> Cheers.
>
> Ken
>
> To: Syncro_T3_Australia @yahoogroups. com
> From: gary@...
> Date: Fri, 20 Nov 2009 08:41:43 +1100
> Subject: Re: [Syncro_T3_Australi a] Re: Driveshaft
>
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> Hi Ben, yes i pulled mine without loosening the diff, i made marks so that it would go back in the same holes.
>
> Depending on how many ks your bus has, it might be worth checking the condition of the internal bush but if you haven't used it in that time the driveshaft hasn't changed so must be something to do with the other suspension work. Be interesting to hear if the diff loosening works as i will be doing the same soon.
> Gary
> [2 0 / 2 1 Design]
> 28 Gwynne St
> Richmond
> Vic 3121
> gary@...
> www.twentytwentyone .net
> Tel 3 9429 1868
> Fax 3 9421 1110
> Mob 0417 352782
> On 19/11/2009, at 10:32 PM, bencroft96 wrote:Gary, the manual states,to pull or install drive shaft,loosen diff and transmission bolts.I have never done this. I have no decoupler and drive around 11 months a year in 2wd.I did not have any vibrations last year.I do now have a slight vibration between 60 and 65 kays.I am keen to try your suggestions on Monday and will report back.I was going to try the shaft in different positions,as my marks,didnt line up exactly.Could not work that out.
>
> --- In Syncro_T3_Australia @yahoogroups. com, Gary Cookson <gary@> wrote:
> >
> > Ben
> >
> > I've had new ujs pressed into my driveshaft but i have yet to refit it
> > to test, previously it was vibrating. The rubber donut usually lasts
> > ok, it is the bronze bush on the shaft it sits on that cause problems.
> > Google Aidan Talbot in the UK he has a stripdown on his site.
> >
> > There has been recent discussion on a new technique for curing
> > driveline vibrations, that of slackening of the diff mounts, go for a
> > short drive and then retighten, I believe. Someone correct me if i'm
> > missing something.
> >
> > CV Protectors would probably have to be sourced overseas but you could
> > make them really.
> >
> > Gary
> >
> > [2 0 / 2 1 Design]
> > 28 Gwynne St
> > Richmond
> > Vic 3121
> > gary@
> > www.twentytwentyone .net
> > Tel 3 9429 1868
> > Fax 3 9421 1110
> > Mob 0417 352782
> >
> > On 18/11/2009, at 10:36 PM, bencroft96 wrote:
> >
> > > Hi Group,Great to hear that DOTVW was a good weekend,(with some
> > > unexpected complications) .Maybe next year there can be even more
> > > Buses!
> > > Some questions to all,
> > > Has anyone ever had their Driveshaft balanced?
> > > Does the dampner ever wear out?
> > > When you pull your tailshaft out,do you follow the manual?,I never
> > > have.
> > > My vehicle now drives better than it ever has.I now have new
> > > shockies all round,poly urathane lower bushes,bushes, were badly
> > > worn out,Yoky, Geolander 16'' tyres,new front cv boots and badly
> > > needed wheel alignment.Took the bus out Boat Harbour Monday for test
> > > drive,She'll be right for Christmas.
> > > Front CV protectors,are they in the country.Does anyone know if I
> > > can get them before Christmas?
> > > Is anyone in the market for a Decoupler?Good time to get one.A full
> > > kit from Stuart will cost 12 hungey,+machining of nose cone.Whats
> > > the cost in that?Does anyone know who can do the machining?
> > > One from the States,with no machining,is going to cost way over 2
> > > Grand.What do you guys think?Does anyone want to get one too?
> > > Right into my rebuild know,Its funny how Syncro's get easier to work
> > > on , the more you work on them!
> > > Give a wave on the road.
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> >
>
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That doesnt help me much,but I have noticed more grey since owning my bus!

--- In Syncro_T3_Australia@yahoogroups.com, Ken Garratt <unclekenz@...> wrote:
>
>
> Ben,
>
> Too easy.
>
> What it is ... unbeknowns to you, your son MURPHY found out about these critical marks and the little bugger got under there while you weren't looking and doctored them! Hair turning grey yet? haha
>
> Ken
>
>
>
> To: Syncro_T3_Australia@yahoogroups.com
> From: bencroft96@...
> Date: Fri, 20 Nov 2009 12:28:47 +0000
> Subject: [Syncro_T3_Australia] Re: Driveshaft
>
>
>
>
>
> Ken,as funny as it seems,I have always marked the shaft before pulling it out,and never followed the manual.But,two years in a row,when I re-install the shaft the marks dont align perfecltly.I canot work this out.If I go another 90 degrees the marks are big time out!On Monday I will loosen both tranny and front diff mounts and go for a short drive.After tightening it all up I will report.
>
> --- In Syncro_T3_Australia@yahoogroups.com, Ken Garratt <unclekenz@> wrote:
> >
> >
> > Ben, Gary,
> >
> > I've also previously removed/reinstalled the drive shaft ... didn't loosen anything else to do it either. My front diff has been out also and put back. For both scenarios, paint-on alignment markings I had previously done to the drive shaft and front diff mating surfaces are all I use to return them to their original positions. I've never had vibration problems ... touch wood.
> >
> > Similar to you Ben, 99% of my driving is deliberately 2WD. Except in my case, I opted for a solid shaft, no regrets. If that strategy preserves expensive 4WD drive-train components, reserving 4WD usage only for when I feel I really need drive effort up front ... well that suits me just fine.
> >
> > The diff loosening/alignment method was first reported on the US syncro website ... months ago. I've yet to read any negative posts concerning this method, I'm pretty sure a few people would have tried it by now, given the ongoing interest around the globe on this topic.
> >
> > Cheers.
> >
> > Ken
> >
> > To: Syncro_T3_Australia@yahoogroups.com
> > From: gary@
> > Date: Fri, 20 Nov 2009 08:41:43 +1100
> > Subject: Re: [Syncro_T3_Australia] Re: Driveshaft
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> > Hi Ben, yes i pulled mine without loosening the diff, i made marks so that it would go back in the same holes.
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> > Depending on how many ks your bus has, it might be worth checking the condition of the internal bush but if you haven't used it in that time the driveshaft hasn't changed so must be something to do with the other suspension work. Be interesting to hear if the diff loosening works as i will be doing the same soon.
> > Gary
> > [2 0 / 2 1 Design]
> > 28 Gwynne St
> > Richmond
> > Vic 3121
> > gary@
> > www.twentytwentyone.net
> > Tel 3 9429 1868
> > Fax 3 9421 1110
> > Mob 0417 352782
> > On 19/11/2009, at 10:32 PM, bencroft96 wrote:Gary, the manual states,to pull or install drive shaft,loosen diff and transmission bolts.I have never done this. I have no decoupler and drive around 11 months a year in 2wd.I did not have any vibrations last year.I do now have a slight vibration between 60 and 65 kays.I am keen to try your suggestions on Monday and will report back.I was going to try the shaft in different positions,as my marks,didnt line up exactly.Could not work that out.
> >
> > --- In Syncro_T3_Australia@yahoogroups.com, Gary Cookson <gary@> wrote:
> > >
> > > Ben
> > >
> > > I've had new ujs pressed into my driveshaft but i have yet to refit it
> > > to test, previously it was vibrating. The rubber donut usually lasts
> > > ok, it is the bronze bush on the shaft it sits on that cause problems.
> > > Google Aidan Talbot in the UK he has a stripdown on his site.
> > >
> > > There has been recent discussion on a new technique for curing
> > > driveline vibrations, that of slackening of the diff mounts, go for a
> > > short drive and then retighten, I believe. Someone correct me if i'm
> > > missing something.
> > >
> > > CV Protectors would probably have to be sourced overseas but you could
> > > make them really.
> > >
> > > Gary
> > >
> > > [2 0 / 2 1 Design]
> > > 28 Gwynne St
> > > Richmond
> > > Vic 3121
> > > gary@
> > > www.twentytwentyone.net
> > > Tel 3 9429 1868
> > > Fax 3 9421 1110
> > > Mob 0417 352782
> > >
> > > On 18/11/2009, at 10:36 PM, bencroft96 wrote:
> > >
> > > > Hi Group,Great to hear that DOTVW was a good weekend,(with some
> > > > unexpected complications).Maybe next year there can be even more
> > > > Buses!
> > > > Some questions to all,
> > > > Has anyone ever had their Driveshaft balanced?
> > > > Does the dampner ever wear out?
> > > > When you pull your tailshaft out,do you follow the manual?,I never
> > > > have.
> > > > My vehicle now drives better than it ever has.I now have new
> > > > shockies all round,poly urathane lower bushes,bushes, were badly
> > > > worn out,Yoky, Geolander 16'' tyres,new front cv boots and badly
> > > > needed wheel alignment.Took the bus out Boat Harbour Monday for test
> > > > drive,She'll be right for Christmas.
> > > > Front CV protectors,are they in the country.Does anyone know if I
> > > > can get them before Christmas?
> > > > Is anyone in the market for a Decoupler?Good time to get one.A full
> > > > kit from Stuart will cost 12 hungey,+machining of nose cone.Whats
> > > > the cost in that?Does anyone know who can do the machining?
> > > > One from the States,with no machining,is going to cost way over 2
> > > > Grand.What do you guys think?Does anyone want to get one too?
> > > > Right into my rebuild know,Its funny how Syncro's get easier to work
> > > > on , the more you work on them!
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Shows a strip down to replace with a polybush
[2 0 / 2 1 Design]
28 Gwynne St
Richmond
Vic 3121
gary@twentytwentyone.net
www.twentytwentyone.net
Tel 3 9429 1868
Fax 3 9421 1110
Mob 0417 352782

On 20/11/2009, at 11:39 PM, bencroft96 wrote:

Where is this internal bush you speak about.

--- In Syncro_T3_Australia @yahoogroups. com, Gary Cookson <gary@...> wrote:
>
> Hi Ben, yes i pulled mine without loosening the diff, i made marks so 
> that it would go back in the same holes.
> 
> Depending on how many ks your bus has, it might be worth checking the 
> condition of the internal bush but if you haven't used it in that time 
> the driveshaft hasn't changed so must be something to do with the 
> other suspension work. Be interesting to hear if the diff loosening 
> works as i will be doing the same soon.
> 
> Gary
> 
> [2 0 / 2 1 Design]
> 28 Gwynne St
> Richmond
> Vic 3121
> gary@...
> www.twentytwentyone .net
> Tel 3 9429 1868
> Fax 3 9421 1110
> Mob 0417 352782
> 
> On 19/11/2009, at 10:32 PM, bencroft96 wrote:
> 
> > Gary, the manual states,to pull or install drive shaft,loosen diff 
> > and transmission bolts.I have never done this. I have no decoupler 
> > and drive around 11 months a year in 2wd.I did not have any 
> > vibrations last year.I do now have a slight vibration between 60 and 
> > 65 kays.I am keen to try your suggestions on Monday and will report 
> > back.I was going to try the shaft in different positions,as my 
> > marks,didnt line up exactly.Could not work that out.
> >
> > --- In Syncro_T3_Australia @yahoogroups. com, Gary Cookson <gary@> 
> > wrote:
> > >
> > > Ben
> > >
> > > I've had new ujs pressed into my driveshaft but i have yet to 
> > refit it
> > > to test, previously it was vibrating. The rubber donut usually lasts
> > > ok, it is the bronze bush on the shaft it sits on that cause 
> > problems.
> > > Google Aidan Talbot in the UK he has a stripdown on his site.
> > >
> > > There has been recent discussion on a new technique for curing
> > > driveline vibrations, that of slackening of the diff mounts, go 
> > for a
> > > short drive and then retighten, I believe. Someone correct me if i'm
> > > missing something.
> > >
> > > CV Protectors would probably have to be sourced overseas but you 
> > could
> > > make them really.
> > >
> > > Gary
> > >
> > > [2 0 / 2 1 Design]
> > > 28 Gwynne St
> > > Richmond
> > > Vic 3121
> > > gary@
> > > www.twentytwentyone .net
> > > Tel 3 9429 1868
> > > Fax 3 9421 1110
> > > Mob 0417 352782
> > >
> > > On 18/11/2009, at 10:36 PM, bencroft96 wrote:
> > >
> > > > Hi Group,Great to hear that DOTVW was a good weekend,(with some
> > > > unexpected complications) .Maybe next year there can be even more
> > > > Buses!
> > > > Some questions to all,
> > > > Has anyone ever had their Driveshaft balanced?
> > > > Does the dampner ever wear out?
> > > > When you pull your tailshaft out,do you follow the manual?,I never
> > > > have.
> > > > My vehicle now drives better than it ever has.I now have new
> > > > shockies all round,poly urathane lower bushes,bushes, were badly
> > > > worn out,Yoky, Geolander 16'' tyres,new front cv boots and badly
> > > > needed wheel alignment.Took the bus out Boat Harbour Monday for 
> > test
> > > > drive,She'll be right for Christmas.
> > > > Front CV protectors,are they in the country.Does anyone know if I
> > > > can get them before Christmas?
> > > > Is anyone in the market for a Decoupler?Good time to get one.A 
> > full
> > > > kit from Stuart will cost 12 hungey,+machining of nose cone.Whats
> > > > the cost in that?Does anyone know who can do the machining?
> > > > One from the States,with no machining,is going to cost way over 2
> > > > Grand.What do you guys think?Does anyone want to get one too?
> > > > Right into my rebuild know,Its funny how Syncro's get easier to 
> > work
> > > > on , the more you work on them!
> > > > Give a wave on the road.
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > >
> >
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> >
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All,
Its funny how this topic has just popped its head up again.
I only fitted my driveshaft again yesterday.
This is what I said in an earlier post.
I took my VW one to be serviced and found that it was worn where the end caps
fit into the shaft.To fix the VW one they were going to 'knurl' the yokes,so
that the end caps would fit snug.This sounded not like a permanate fix to me.
They quoted me over $600 for the VW shaft or $800 for a new dynamic balanced
shaft(balanced to 6000rpm),bigger more available and cheaper unis and slip yoke.
The VW unis rrp is over $250,and there is two types.The cheaper are not the
right ones for over 1000rpm.I do not have the part numbers.The part number is
here in the forum somewhere.
In all I am happy with my new shaft since the vbrations I was chasing(around
60kays)are completley gone.Just need to get rid of the one around 120km.
There is a photo comparing the two shafts in the photo section of this forum
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After purchasing a new shaft,bigger and more available unis and a slip yoke and had the shaft balanced 3 times,I am now happy to say that my vibrations are now gone.
What I did to get rid of them is replaced all diff and trans mounts,I found that the Subaru engine sits 10mm higher than the VW,so I spaced it out and used a laser alligner that I made to allign the diff and transaxle.
Where the VW shaft gets wobbly is in the yokes where the end caps for the unis sit in.The unis can appear as they have no play,but the end caps move in the yokes.A repairer can attempt to"knurl" the yokes so that the unis fit in tighter, but this isnt going to fix for good.
I found that the loosen transaxle and front diff mounts,drive around for awhile,to let everything settle,then tighten all up again only helped slightly.This is a method Gowesty use when they put their new shafts in.
The Hardy Spicer driveshaft works out dearer to purchase,but by the time you pay freight it is probably cheaper,than GW.The replacement unis are alot cheaper than the VW ones and they are much larger.It also has a slip yoke which the VW doesnt have,although probably not needed as there is not much lateral movement in the diff or transaxle.But sure doesnt hurt.
Not sure if you can buy new VW yokes or the rubber dougnut,you can buy the poly bush.
BenC

--- In Syncro_T3_Australia@yahoogroups.com, "Ben" <bencroft96@...> wrote:
>
> All,
> Its funny how this topic has just popped its head up again.
> I only fitted my driveshaft again yesterday.
> This is what I said in an earlier post.
> I took my VW one to be serviced and found that it was worn where the end caps
> fit into the shaft.To fix the VW one they were going to 'knurl' the yokes,so
> that the end caps would fit snug.This sounded not like a permanate fix to me.
> They quoted me over $600 for the VW shaft or $800 for a new dynamic balanced
> shaft(balanced to 6000rpm),bigger more available and cheaper unis and slip yoke.
> The VW unis rrp is over $250,and there is two types.The cheaper are not the
> right ones for over 1000rpm.I do not have the part numbers.The part number is
> here in the forum somewhere.
> In all I am happy with my new shaft since the vbrations I was chasing(around
> 60kays)are completley gone.Just need to get rid of the one around 120km.
> There is a photo comparing the two shafts in the photo section of this forum
>
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Hi Syncronauts,

 

I have a decoupler installed so I can disengage the front. Unfortunately, when I do this I can

feel the difference. I had the driveshaft balanced with new bearings -  it is slightly better but I can still feel the

difference most of the time. The gearbox has been out a couple of times over the last 18 month or so.

I guess, when everything is spot-on you shouldn't feel anything, right?

On the other hand, if you haven't got a decoupler, you wouldn't know the difference and over time get used to it!?

I feel through the steering wheel ever so slight. I will try to measure the longitudinal line and see if they are out

of line. Has anyone experienced a similar problem?

 

Cheers, Theo

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Theo,
I've had a decoupler for years.
There is a difference between 4WD & 2WD, especially going around corners when the steering loads up slightly.

I drive all the time on "blacktop" in 2WD because the Syncro feels lighter,
but if it is teeming with rain 4WD is switched on, because it gives better traction.
The other day when I picked up the new Mefro wheels, it was the first time it had rained for weeks,
and in 2WD with the trailer on I was losing initial traction of the rear wheels when taking off on hills in G and 1st,
but not in 4WD.

Peter


--Original Message Text---
From: Theo Weiss
Date: Sun, 23 Feb 2014 16:21:41 +1100





Hi Syncronauts,



I have a decoupler installed so I can disengage the front. Unfortunately, when I do this I can

feel the difference. I had the driveshaft balanced with new bearings - it is slightly better but I can still feel the

difference most of the time. The gearbox has been out a couple of times over the last 18 month or so.

I guess, when everything is spot-on you shouldn't feel anything, right?

On the other hand, if you haven't got a decoupler, you wouldn't know the difference and over time get used to it!?

I feel through the steering wheel ever so slight. I will try to measure the longitudinal line and see if they are out

of line. Has anyone experienced a similar problem?



Cheers, Theo





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Peter,

I wasn't talking about Syncro driving. I meant straight down the Freeway at about 80-100k on my smooth city wheels.

Cheers, Theo

 

From: Syncro_T3_Australia@yahoogroups.com [mailto:Syncro_T3_Australia@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Peter Schweinsberg
Sent: Sunday, 23 February 2014 6:36 PM
To: Syncro_T3_Australia@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [Syncro_T3_Australia] Driveshaft

 

 

Theo,
I've had a decoupler for years.
There is a difference between 4WD 2WD, especially going around corners when the steering loads up slightly.

I drive all the time on "blacktop" in 2WD because the Syncro feels lighter,
but if it is teeming with rain 4WD is switched on, because it gives better traction.
The other day when I picked up the new Mefro wheels, it was the first time it had rained for weeks,
and in 2WD with the trailer on I was losing initial traction of the rear wheels when taking off on hills in G and 1st,
but not in 4WD.

Peter


--Original Message Text---
From: Theo Weiss
Date: Sun, 23 Feb 2014 16:21:41 +1100





Hi Syncronauts,



I have a decoupler installed so I can disengage the front. Unfortunately, when I do this I can

feel the difference. I had the driveshaft balanced with new bearings - it is slightly better but I can still feel the

difference most of the time. The gearbox has been out a couple of times over the last 18 month or so.

I guess, when everything is spot-on you shouldn't feel anything, right?

On the other hand, if you haven't got a decoupler, you wouldn't know the difference and over time get used to it!?

I feel through the steering wheel ever so slight. I will try to measure the longitudinal line and see if they are out

of line. Has anyone experienced a similar problem?



Cheers, Theo