remember early physics lessons when our professor explained how even
the weight of a butterfly can bend a long steel beam. Hard to see with
the naked eye but does happen. Think about a 100-300 pound human
sitting in your Syncro and imagine that coil spring is a long steel
rod. It will bend deflect and ultimately sag.
With that... I have a set of aforementioned GW springs. Prior to
installation, I test drove and rode a few Syncros with various
aftermarket springs. Ride is roughest on the Seikels. GW is about
middle range. Syncro.org springs felt smoother. springs. These were
all on the much heavier full-Westies. All used OME shocks/dampers.
I should add that my local installer said he had the most trouble
installing the GW springs. He has never installed Seikels before though.
As for losing spring travel it seems the effect is opposite. You get a
longer spring with more coils. The lift should net you more space
between the coils.
BenT
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On Aug 24, 2009, at 4:29 AM, "erikhoeflinger" <erikhoeflinger@hotmail.com
> wrote:
> Anyone tried these springs on their syncros? 2" lift and apparently
> they will never sag. I guess ultimately you loose some total spring
> travel compared to stock having more coils but it is more tempting
> than running seikels.. http://www.gowesty.com/library_article.php?id=1113
>
> erikhoeflinger <erikhoeflinger@hotmail.com> wrote:
>
> Anyone tried these springs on their syncros? 2" lift and apparently they
> will never sag. I guess ultimately you loose some total spring travel
> compared to stock having more coils but it is more tempting than running
> seikels.. http://www.gowesty.com/library_article.php?id=1113
aluminum balljoint spacers which they claim to be needed only in the
2wd version.
Most other Syncro specialists I chatted with in various parts of the
world seem to think the balljoint spacer will be necessary to keep the
suspension geometry close to stock. Since GW was selling their 12mm
(maybe 13mm) billet aluminum spacers for under $50 USD, I sprung for a
set an plan to install them soon.
I have seen others offer similar spacers for 2-3 tea the GW price.
Some fabricators went a step further by making custom A-arms with a
corrected angle mount for raised vehicles. Two such examples can be
found on John Wessels' "SyncroMog" which utilized stock bushings and
Burley Beveridge's Heim joint A-arms.
BenT
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On Aug 24, 2009, at 3:21 PM, plander@optusnet.com.au wrote:
> Aren't they for 2WD?
>
>
>
>> <@hotmail.com> wrote:
>>
>> Anyone tried these springs on their
> GoWesty carries both 2wd & Syncro versions of their spring. They carryRight, I also think that apart from longer shocks to compensate for
> aluminum balljoint spacers which they claim to be needed only in the
> 2wd version.
>
> Most other Syncro specialists I chatted with in various parts of the
> world seem to think the balljoint spacer will be necessary to keep the
> suspension geometry close to stock.
the loss of travel these spacers can not only get the geometry closer
to stock but protect the balljoints from breaking and the upper
control arms from hitting the springs! The parallel version can't
compensate for very much but seems to be better than nothing. There
are non-parallel variants but the mounting is not as convincing and
most certainly not easily overlooked upon technical inspection - a
major problem btw. for us over here :)
> Since GW was selling their 12mmPrice is indeed nice and I thought about ordering a set, too, but I
> (maybe 13mm) billet aluminum spacers for under $50 USD, I sprung for a
> set an plan to install them soon.
think it wouldn't make sense without ordering a set of springs, too,
which i can't afford right now, since all money is going into that TDi
conversion :) Seikel is far too stiff for my taste plus they seem to
have serious problems with giving in after a few thousand miles on
heavy vehicles.
> I have seen others offer similar spacers for 2-3 tea the GW price.Yes, seen them, but there is absolutely no way I could fit these in my
> Some fabricators went a step further by making custom A-arms with a
> corrected angle mount for raised vehicles. Two such examples can be
> found on John Wessels' "SyncroMog" which utilized stock bushings and
> Burley Beveridge's Heim joint A-arms.
street legal vehicle. The next technical inspection would be my last.
One accident and I can grab my shoestrings and go to find myself a
nice tree... :)
Ciao,
Martin
>--
>
> BenT
>
> Sent from my mobile device
>
> On Aug 24, 2009, at 3:21 PM, plander@optusnet.com.au wrote:
>
>> Aren't they for 2WD?
>>
>>
>>
>>> <@hotmail.com> wrote:
>>>
>>> Anyone tried these springs on their
>
>
> ------------------------------------
>
> Yahoo! Groups Links
>
>
>
>
Martin Henning, DM5OY
martin@easy2design.de
http://log.tigerbus.de
The A-arms they make have their advantages utilizing the heim joint (no more squeeks either) but for the price many other upgrades could be bought.
Do old man emu shocks have enough travel to compensate for the lift or would shock extensions be in order?
To: Syncro_T3_Australia@yahoogroups.com
From: martin@easy2design.de
Date: Tue, 25 Aug 2009 01:37:17 +0200
Subject: Re: [Syncro_T3_Australia] gowesty HR springs
On 25.08.2009, at 01:09, BenT Syncro wrote:
> GoWesty carries both 2wd & Syncro versions of their spring. They carry
> aluminum balljoint spacers which they claim to be needed only in the
> 2wd version.
>
> Most other Syncro specialists I chatted with in various parts of the
> world seem to think the balljoint spacer will be necessary to keep the
> suspension geometry close to stock.
Right, I also think that apart from longer shocks to compensate for
the loss of travel these spacers can not only get the geometry closer
to stock but protect the balljoints from breaking and the upper
control arms from hitting the springs! The parallel version can't
compensate for very much but seems to be better than nothing. There
are non-parallel variants but the mounting is not as convincing and
most certainly not easily overlooked upon technical inspection - a
major problem btw. for us over here :)
> Since GW was selling their 12mm
> (maybe 13mm) billet aluminum spacers for under $50 USD, I sprung for a
> set an plan to install them soon.
Price is indeed nice and I thought about ordering a set, too, but I
think it wouldn't make sense without ordering a set of springs, too,
which i can't afford right now, since all money is going into that TDi
conversion :) Seikel is far too stiff for my taste plus they seem to
have serious problems with giving in after a few thousand miles on
heavy vehicles.
> I have seen others offer similar spacers for 2-3 tea the GW price.
> Some fabricators went a step further by making custom A-arms with a
> corrected angle mount for raised vehicles. Two such examples can be
> found on John Wessels' "SyncroMog" which utilized stock bushings and
> Burley Beveridge's Heim joint A-arms.
Yes, seen them, but there is absolutely no way I could fit these in my
street legal vehicle. The next technical inspection would be my last.
One accident and I can grab my shoestrings and go to find myself a
nice tree... :)
Ciao,
Martin
>
>
> BenT
>
> Sent from my mobile device
>
> On Aug 24, 2009, at 3:21 PM, plander@optusnet. com.au wrote:
>
>> Aren't they for 2WD?
>>
>>
>>
>>> <@hotmail.com> wrote:
>>>
>>> Anyone tried these springs on their
>
>
> ------------ --------- --------- ------
>
> Yahoo! Groups Links
>
>
>
>
--
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martin@easy2design. de
http://log.tigerbus .de
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The lift is a little too much with my vehicle as there's not enough
extension travel with these shocks.
Apparently I don't run a van that's heavy enough.
The realistic lift limit with these shocks is about 40mm.
Having said that, the ride is very good. Comfortable enough and much less dive under braking. No sag after a year of bashing. Camber is Ok, but my suspension guy said it was at the limit.
I wouldn't go for the spacers for legal reasons. I suspect you would
have trouble in event of an accident.
Also bear in mind lifting an old vehicle will show all the wear you didn't expect. CV joints, shocks, bushes.
Regards,
Mark
--- In Syncro_T3_Australia@yahoogroups.com, "erikhoeflinger" <erikhoeflinger@...> wrote:
>
> Anyone tried these springs on their syncros? 2" lift and apparently they will never sag. I guess ultimately you loose some total spring travel compared to stock having more coils but it is more tempting than running seikels.. http://www.gowesty.com/library_article.php?id=1113
>
----- Original Message -----From: m.mulletSent: Wednesday, August 26, 2009 9:35 AMSubject: [Syncro_T3_Australia] Re: gowesty HR springsI run the Go Westy springs on my syncro combined with Emu shocks.
The lift is a little too much with my vehicle as there's not enough
extension travel with these shocks.
Apparently I don't run a van that's heavy enough.
The realistic lift limit with these shocks is about 40mm.
Having said that, the ride is very good. Comfortable enough and much less dive under braking. No sag after a year of bashing. Camber is Ok, but my suspension guy said it was at the limit.
I wouldn't go for the spacers for legal reasons. I suspect you would
have trouble in event of an accident.
Also bear in mind lifting an old vehicle will show all the wear you didn't expect. CV joints, shocks, bushes.
Regards,
Mark
--- In Syncro_T3_Australia @yahoogroups. com, "erikhoeflinger" <erikhoeflinger@ ...> wrote:
>
> Anyone tried these springs on their syncros? 2" lift and apparently they will never sag. I guess ultimately you loose some total spring travel compared to stock having more coils but it is more tempting than running seikels.. http://www.gowesty. com/library_ article.php? id=1113
>
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To: Syncro_T3_Australia@yahoogroups.com
From: m.mullet@yahoo.com.au
Date: Tue, 25 Aug 2009 23:35:40 +0000
Subject: [Syncro_T3_Australia] Re: gowesty HR springs
The lift is a little too much with my vehicle as there's not enough
extension travel with these shocks.
Apparently I don't run a van that's heavy enough.
The realistic lift limit with these shocks is about 40mm.
Having said that, the ride is very good. Comfortable enough and much less dive under braking. No sag after a year of bashing. Camber is Ok, but my suspension guy said it was at the limit.
I wouldn't go for the spacers for legal reasons. I suspect you would
have trouble in event of an accident.
Also bear in mind lifting an old vehicle will show all the wear you didn't expect. CV joints, shocks, bushes.
Regards,
Mark
--- In Syncro_T3_Australia @yahoogroups. com, "erikhoeflinger" <erikhoeflinger@ ...> wrote:
>
> Anyone tried these springs on their syncros? 2" lift and apparently they will never sag. I guess ultimately you loose some total spring travel compared to stock having more coils but it is more tempting than running seikels.. http://www.gowesty. com/library_ article.php? id=1113
>
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From: Bartley Olsen <bartleyolsen@yahoo.com>
To: Syncro_T3_Australia@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Tuesday, August 25, 2009 10:49:48 PM
Subject: Re: [Syncro_T3_Australia] gowesty HR springs
Martin , Please do keep us advised on your TDi conversion . . very interested at the moment as i believe im losing a battle with a sticky lifter in the 2.1.
Bart - Central Queensland.
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Brent,
You are up and running and on the forum.
Les
From:
Syncro_T3_Australia@yahoogroups.com
[mailto: Syncro_T3_Australia@yahoogroups.com ]
On Behalf Of Brent Warner
Sent: 26 August 2009 21:25
To: Syncro_T3_Australia@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [Syncro_T3_Australia]
Hi Mate,
Just new at this, kinda confused as to how the forum works and where to send info and questions.
Any way at random, can you help me? I have just purchased a 2.1 T3 Syncro and looking at lifting the van for more clearance.
Rims that may fit eg mags? Can I do anything with the spare being in the back relocate to front or underside van? Springs blocks etc/
Thanks Brent
From: Bartley Olsen
<bartleyolsen@ yahoo.com>
To: Syncro_T3_Australia @yahoogroups. com
Sent: Tuesday, August 25, 2009
10:49:48 PM
Subject: Re: [Syncro_T3_Australi a]
gowesty HR springs
Martin , Please do keep us advised on your TDi conversion . . very interested
at the moment as i believe im losing a battle with a sticky lifter in the 2.1.
Bart - Central Queensland .
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Brent,
In fact, lifting the Syncro is a hot topic at the moment. Start by reading back over the recent posts.
Les
From:
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[mailto: Syncro_T3_Australia@yahoogroups.com ]
On Behalf Of Les_Harris
Sent: 26 August 2009 21:57
To: Syncro_T3_Australia@yahoogroups.com
Subject: RE: [Syncro_T3_Australia]
Brent,
You are up and running and on the forum.
Les
From:
Syncro_T3_Australia @yahoogroups. com
[mailto: Syncro_T3_Australia @yahoogroups. com ]
On Behalf Of Brent Warner
Sent: 26 August 2009 21:25
To: Syncro_T3_Australia @yahoogroups. com
Subject: Re: [Syncro_T3_Australi a]
Hi Mate,
Just new at this, kinda confused as to how the forum works and where to send info and questions.
Any way at random, can you help me? I have just purchased a 2.1 T3 Syncro and looking at lifting the van for more clearance.
Rims that may fit eg mags? Can I do anything with the spare being in the back relocate to front or underside van? Springs blocks etc/
Thanks Brent
From: Bartley Olsen <bartleyolsen@ yahoo.com>
To: Syncro_T3_Australia @yahoogroups. com
Sent: Tuesday, August 25, 2009
10:49:48 PM
Subject: Re: [Syncro_T3_Australi a]
gowesty HR springs
Martin , Please do keep us advised on your TDi conversion . . very interested
at the moment as i believe im losing a battle with a sticky lifter in the 2.1.
Bart - Central Queensland .
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I thought about them when I needed new tyres but stayed with 215/75/15.
Re your shock travel ,what's the measurement from centre hub to bottom of guard? Sorry if I'm making you work here.
Mark
--- In Syncro_T3_Australia@yahoogroups.com, "Mr Scott Pitcher" <spbconsulting@...> wrote:
>
> My syncro was lifted locally in Australia with re-set original springs, coil over adjustable base front Koni shocks and adjustable long travel rear Koni shocks about 10 years ago by Proven Products in Sydney just before my 235 x 75 x 15 tyres went on. It is a fairly heavy car being 1.8 Tonne without the camper interior (other than the seat).
>
> After 10 years I cant really notice any sag but I only really used it 4wd ing for the first 5 years - then I had kids and all that fun stopped.
>
> Cheers,
> Scott
>
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: m.mullet
> To: Syncro_T3_Australia@yahoogroups.com
> Sent: Wednesday, August 26, 2009 9:35 AM
> Subject: [Syncro_T3_Australia] Re: gowesty HR springs
>
>
> I run the Go Westy springs on my syncro combined with Emu shocks.
> The lift is a little too much with my vehicle as there's not enough
> extension travel with these shocks.
> Apparently I don't run a van that's heavy enough.
> The realistic lift limit with these shocks is about 40mm.
> Having said that, the ride is very good. Comfortable enough and much less dive under braking. No sag after a year of bashing. Camber is Ok, but my suspension guy said it was at the limit.
> I wouldn't go for the spacers for legal reasons. I suspect you would
> have trouble in event of an accident.
> Also bear in mind lifting an old vehicle will show all the wear you didn't expect. CV joints, shocks, bushes.
>
> Regards,
>
> Mark
>
> --- In Syncro_T3_Australia@yahoogroups.com, "erikhoeflinger" <erikhoeflinger@> wrote:
> >
> > Anyone tried these springs on their syncros? 2" lift and apparently they will never sag. I guess ultimately you loose some total spring travel compared to stock having more coils but it is more tempting than running seikels.. http://www.gowesty.com/library_article.php?id=1113
> >
>
>
>
>
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Yes I live in rockhampton with my 89 rear locked syncro (currently with gordon at north rocky mechanical). A friend of mine recently purchased a Dual Locked ex telstra window less panel syncro. Are you the guy with the Blue diesel syncro? or the Yellow one always parked down Yepoon?
bart
From: Alison & Bruce Black <royalb@aapt.net.au>
To: Syncro_T3_Australia@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Wednesday, 26 August, 2009 8:38:37 PM
Subject: Re: [Syncro_T3_Australia] gowesty HR springs
Bart
Martin , Please do keep us advised on your TDi conversion . . very interested at the moment as i believe im losing a battle with a sticky lifter in the 2.1.
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Bartley,
The Telecom vans generally did not come with diff locks but I have heard that there was a “supervisors” version that did. It would be interesting to get the history of that one.
If he hasn’t done so already, please persuade said mate to join the group. If you can locate the owners of the others that you mention, do the same.
Les
PS: Small point: it was Telecom that bought these vans. Telstra did not exist then
From:
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[mailto: Syncro_T3_Australia@yahoogroups.com ]
On Behalf Of Bartley Olsen
Sent: 27 August 2009 12:01
To: Syncro_T3_Australia@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [Syncro_T3_Australia]
Central Queenslanders
Hi Bruce.
Yes I live in rockhampton with my 89 rear locked syncro (currently with gordon
at north rocky mechanical). A friend of mine recently purchased a Dual
Locked ex telstra window less panel syncro. Are you the guy with the Blue
diesel syncro? or the Yellow one always parked down Yepoon?
bart
From: Alison &
Bruce Black <royalb@aapt. net.au>
To: Syncro_T3_Australia @yahoogroups. com
Sent: Wednesday, 26 August, 2009
8:38:37 PM
Subject: Re: [Syncro_T3_Australi a]
gowesty HR springs
Bart
Central Queensland ? Are you still up here?
Bruce
CQ
On 25/08/2009, at 10:49 PM, Bartley Olsen wrote:
Martin , Please do keep us advised on your TDi conversion . . very interested
at the moment as i believe im losing a battle with a sticky lifter in the 2.1.
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Hi Bruce.
Yes I live in rockhampton with my 89 rear locked syncro (currently with gordon at north rocky mechanical). A friend of mine recently purchased a Dual Locked ex telstra window less panel syncro. Are you the guy with the Blue diesel syncro? or the Yellow one always parked down Yepoon?
bart
From: Alison & Bruce Black <royalb@aapt. net.au>
To: Syncro_T3_Australia @yahoogroups. com
Sent: Wednesday, 26 August, 2009 8:38:37 PM
Subject: Re: [Syncro_T3_Australi a] gowesty HR springs
Bart
Central Queensland? Are you still up here?BruceCQOn 25/08/2009, at 10:49 PM, Bartley Olsen wrote:
Martin , Please do keep us advised on your TDi conversion . . very interested at the moment as i believe im losing a battle with a sticky lifter in the 2.1.
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----- Original Message -----From: m.mulletSent: Thursday, August 27, 2009 1:24 AMSubject: [Syncro_T3_Australia] Re: gowesty HR springsHow do the 235 tyres perform? Gearing and rubbing on guards ?
I thought about them when I needed new tyres but stayed with 215/75/15.
Re your shock travel ,what's the measurement from centre hub to bottom of guard? Sorry if I'm making you work here.
Mark
--- In Syncro_T3_Australia @yahoogroups. com, "Mr Scott Pitcher" <spbconsulting@ ...> wrote:
>
> My syncro was lifted locally in Australia with re-set original springs, coil over adjustable base front Koni shocks and adjustable long travel rear Koni shocks about 10 years ago by Proven Products in Sydney just before my 235 x 75 x 15 tyres went on. It is a fairly heavy car being 1.8 Tonne without the camper interior (other than the seat).
>
> After 10 years I cant really notice any sag but I only really used it 4wd ing for the first 5 years - then I had kids and all that fun stopped.
>
> Cheers,
> Scott
>
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: m.mullet
> To: Syncro_T3_Australia @yahoogroups. com
> Sent: Wednesday, August 26, 2009 9:35 AM
> Subject: [Syncro_T3_Australi a] Re: gowesty HR springs
>
>
> I run the Go Westy springs on my syncro combined with Emu shocks.
> The lift is a little too much with my vehicle as there's not enough
> extension travel with these shocks.
> Apparently I don't run a van that's heavy enough.
> The realistic lift limit with these shocks is about 40mm.
> Having said that, the ride is very good. Comfortable enough and much less dive under braking. No sag after a year of bashing. Camber is Ok, but my suspension guy said it was at the limit.
> I wouldn't go for the spacers for legal reasons. I suspect you would
> have trouble in event of an accident.
> Also bear in mind lifting an old vehicle will show all the wear you didn't expect. CV joints, shocks, bushes.
>
> Regards,
>
> Mark
>
> --- In Syncro_T3_Australia @yahoogroups. com, "erikhoeflinger" <erikhoeflinger@ > wrote:
> >
> > Anyone tried these springs on their syncros? 2" lift and apparently they will never sag. I guess ultimately you loose some total spring travel compared to stock having more coils but it is more tempting than running seikels.. http://www.gowesty. com/library_ article.php? id=1113
> >
>
>
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>
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