Melbourne DOVW 2012

Joanne and I have just arrived home after another enjoyable DOVW show thanks to transport by Roger and Greg from Melbourne. The homeward trip was 1500kms in our Europcar Subaru Outback due to a few shortcuts through Corryong, Tumbarumba, Cooma, Tumut and Gundagai.

Anyone wanting some free camping should have a look at the areas around Tumbarumba as there are a few sites with supplied water and very clean toilets. Another nice free camping spot is on the Murray River at Jingelic. These council owned free camping area have certainly improved over the last few years.

Phill
Phill,glad you had a good time.
Good cars those Outbacks.
Ben

--- In Syncro_T3_Australia@yahoogroups.com, "hdvwoc" <plander@...> wrote:
>
> Joanne and I have just arrived home after another enjoyable DOVW show
> thanks to transport by Roger and Greg from Melbourne. The homeward trip
> was 1500kms in our Europcar Subaru Outback due to a few shortcuts
> through Corryong, Tumbarumba, Cooma, Tumut and Gundagai.
>
> Anyone wanting some free camping should have a look at the areas around
> Tumbarumba as there are a few sites with supplied water and very clean
> toilets. Another nice free camping spot is on the Murray River at
> Jingelic. These council owned free camping area have certainly improved
> over the last few years.
>
> Phill
>
Good engine donors.

I can't believe that they don't have an engine temperature guage!



> Ben <bencroft96@yahoo.com> wrote:
>
> Phill,glad you had a good time.
> Good cars those Outbacks.
> Ben
>
> --- In Syncro_T3_Australia@yahoogroups.com, "hdvwoc" <plander@...>
> wrote:
> >
> > Joanne and I have just arrived home after another enjoyable DOVW show
> > thanks to transport by Roger and Greg from Melbourne. The homeward
> trip
> > was 1500kms in our Europcar Subaru Outback due to a few shortcuts
> > through Corryong, Tumbarumba, Cooma, Tumut and Gundagai.
> >
> > Anyone wanting some free camping should have a look at the areas
> around
> > Tumbarumba as there are a few sites with supplied water and very clean
> > toilets. Another nice free camping spot is on the Murray River at
> > Jingelic. These council owned free camping area have certainly
> improved
> > over the last few years.
> >
> > Phill
> >
Phill,

This lack of temperature gauge seems to be common throughout all new cars.

My brother just bought a new T5.5 work van and again - No Temperature gauge.

They must just have an alert from the computer to tell you your engine is cooked - just like the idiot oil light!

Skot

On 30/11/2012 6:07 PM, plander@optusnet.com.au wrote:
 

Good engine donors.

I can't believe that they don't have an engine temperature guage!

> Ben <bencroft96@yahoo.com> wrote:
>
> Phill,glad you had a good time.
> Good cars those Outbacks.
> Ben
>
> --- In Syncro_T3_Australia@yahoogroups.com, "hdvwoc" <plander@...>
> wrote:
> >
> > Joanne and I have just arrived home after another enjoyable DOVW show
> > thanks to transport by Roger and Greg from Melbourne. The homeward
> trip
> > was 1500kms in our Europcar Subaru Outback due to a few shortcuts
> > through Corryong, Tumbarumba, Cooma, Tumut and Gundagai.
> >
> > Anyone wanting some free camping should have a look at the areas
> around
> > Tumbarumba as there are a few sites with supplied water and very clean
> > toilets. Another nice free camping spot is on the Murray River at
> > Jingelic. These council owned free camping area have certainly
> improved
> > over the last few years.
> >
> > Phill
> >


Hi Skot,
 
My new T5 DID come with a temp. gauge plus the computer read out gives the oil temperature. Think it is a "standard" option that Trakka specify and I didn't seek to delete. Attached are a couple of photos the first of which with the ignition lights on showing the the temperature warning light which I agree would not grab the driver's attention.
Cheers
Roger
Melbourne

From: Mr Scott Pitcher <spbconsulting@bigpond.com>
To: Syncro_T3_Australia@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Friday, 30 November 2012 7:08 PM
Subject: Re: [Syncro_T3_Australia] Re: Melbourne DOVW 2012
 
Phill, This lack of temperature gauge seems to be common throughout all new cars. My brother just bought a new T5.5 work van and again - No Temperature gauge. They must just have an alert from the computer to tell you your engine is cooked - just like the idiot oil light! Skot On 30/11/2012 6:07 PM, plander@optusnet.com.au wrote:
 
Good engine donors.

I can't believe that they don't have an engine temperature guage!

> Ben <mailto:bencroft96%40yahoo.com> wrote:
>
> Phill,glad you had a good time.
> Good cars those Outbacks.
> Ben
>
> --- In mailto:Syncro_T3_Australia%40yahoogroups.com, "hdvwoc" mailto:plander@...
> wrote:
> >
> > Joanne and I have just arrived home after another enjoyable DOVW show
> > thanks to transport by Roger and Greg from Melbourne. The homeward
> trip
> > was 1500kms in our Europcar Subaru Outback due to a few shortcuts
> > through Corryong, Tumbarumba, Cooma, Tumut and Gundagai.
> >
> > Anyone wanting some free camping should have a look at the areas
> around
> > Tumbarumba as there are a few sites with supplied water and very clean
> > toilets. Another nice free camping spot is on the Murray River at
> > Jingelic. These council owned free camping area have certainly
> improved
> > over the last few years.
> >
> > Phill
> >
When I first saw the new beetle with a temp light (sans gauge) my first reaction was that they where just being tight and I as a driver would really miss that information. But after many years as a service adviser and service manager in car dealerships I have to say it is more a case of "horses for courses". People who understand and are into cars (probably everyone on this forum) will always want the gauge. Then there are those who just don't understand the fluctuations an old style gauge will make, but those who get it will derive useful information from those fluctuations. Sometimes these fluctuations cause drivers to panic for no reason. So manufacturers of modern vehicles have "evened out" the readings they give and you will notice on modern cars they tend to go up to half and sit there rock solid. The other thing to consider is a gauge will only work if you look at it, so it became necessary to incorporate and over temp warning light/buzzer. I have seen the results of people driving on after gauges and even lights are in the red and can see how a gauge is completely useless to them especially a gauge that is really only telling you cold, normal or hot. Maybe a spring loaded mallet poised above the drivers head would be more useful. Greg E

From: Roger Bell <bellrmit@yahoo.com.au>
To: "Syncro_T3_Australia@yahoogroups.com" <Syncro_T3_Australia@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Tuesday, 4 December 2012 11:59 PM
Subject: Re: [Syncro_T3_Australia] Re: Melbourne DOVW 2012
 
Hi Skot,
 
My new T5 DID come with a temp. gauge plus the computer read out gives the oil temperature. Think it is a "standard" option that Trakka specify and I didn't seek to delete. Attached are a couple of photos the first of which with the ignition lights on showing the the temperature warning light which I agree would not grab the driver's attention.
Cheers
Roger
Melbourne

From: Mr Scott Pitcher <spbconsulting@bigpond.com>
To: Syncro_T3_Australia@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Friday, 30 November 2012 7:08 PM
Subject: Re: [Syncro_T3_Australia] Re: Melbourne DOVW 2012
 
Phill, This lack of temperature gauge seems to be common throughout all new cars. My brother just bought a new T5.5 work van and again - No Temperature gauge. They must just have an alert from the computer to tell you your engine is cooked - just like the idiot oil light! Skot On 30/11/2012 6:07 PM, plander@optusnet.com.au wrote:
 
Good engine donors. I can't believe that they don't have an engine temperature guage! > Ben <mailto:bencroft96%40yahoo.com> wrote: > > Phill,glad you had a good time. > Good cars those Outbacks. > Ben > > --- In mailto:Syncro_T3_Australia%40yahoogroups.com, "hdvwoc" mailto:plander@... > wrote: > > > > Joanne and I have just arrived home after another enjoyable DOVW show > > thanks to transport by Roger and Greg from Melbourne. The homeward > trip > > was 1500kms in our Europcar Subaru Outback due to a few shortcuts > > through Corryong, Tumbarumba, Cooma, Tumut and Gundagai. > > > > Anyone wanting some free camping should have a look at the areas > around > > Tumbarumba as there are a few sites with supplied water and very clean > > toilets. Another nice free camping spot is on the Murray River at > > Jingelic. These council owned free camping area have certainly > improved > > over the last few years. > > > > Phill > >
 
I drove a new Subaru Outback back from DOVW and it didn't have a temp gauge either.



> greg esposito <gregespo73@yahoo.com> wrote:
>
> When I first saw����the new beetle����with a temp light (sans gauge) my
> first reaction was that they where just being tight and I as a driver
> would really miss that information. But after many years as a service
> adviser and service manager in car dealerships I have to say it is more
> a case of "horses for courses". People who understand and are into cars
> (probably everyone on this forum) will always want the gauge. Then there
> are those who just don't understand the fluctuations an old style gauge
> will make, but those who get it will derive useful information from
> those fluctuations. Sometimes these fluctuations cause drivers to panic
> for no reason. So manufacturers of modern vehicles have "evened out" the
> readings they give and you will notice on modern cars they tend to go up
> to half and sit there rock solid. The other thing to consider is a gauge
> will only work if you look at it, so it became necessary to incorporate
> and over temp warning light/buzzer. I
> have seen the results of people driving on after gauges and even lights
> are in the red and can see how a gauge is completely useless to them
> especially a gauge that is really only telling you cold, normal or hot.
> Maybe a spring loaded mallet poised above the drivers head would be more
> useful. Greg E
>
>
>
> ________________________________
> From: Roger Bell <bellrmit@yahoo.com.au>
> To: "Syncro_T3_Australia@yahoogroups.com"
> <Syncro_T3_Australia@yahoogroups.com>
> Sent: Tuesday, 4 December 2012 11:59 PM
> Subject: Re: [Syncro_T3_Australia] Re: Melbourne DOVW 2012
>
> ����
>
> Hi Skot,
> ����
> My new T5 DID come with a temp. gauge plus the computer read out gives
> the oil temperature. Think it is a "standard" option that Trakka specify
> and I didn't seek to delete. Attached are a couple of photos the first
> of which with the ignition lights on showing the the temperature warning
> light which I agree would not grab the driver's attention.
> Cheers
> Roger
> Melbourne
>
>
> ________________________________
> From: Mr Scott Pitcher <spbconsulting@bigpond.com>
> To: Syncro_T3_Australia@yahoogroups.com
> Sent: Friday, 30 November 2012 7:08 PM
> Subject: Re: [Syncro_T3_Australia] Re: Melbourne DOVW 2012
>
> ����
> Phill, This lack of temperature gauge seems to be common throughout all
> new cars. My brother just bought a new T5.5 work van and again - No
> Temperature gauge. They must just have an alert from the computer to
> tell you your engine is cooked - just like the idiot oil light! Skot On
> 30/11/2012 6:07 PM, plander@optusnet.com.au wrote:
> ����
> >Good engine donors.I can't believe that they don't have an engine
> temperature guage!> Ben <mailto:bencroft96%40yahoo.com> wrote:> >
> Phill,glad you had a good time.> Good cars those Outbacks.> Ben> > ---
> In mailto:Syncro_T3_Australia%40yahoogroups.com, "hdvwoc"
> mailto:plander@... > wrote:> >> > Joanne and I have just arrived home
> after another enjoyable DOVW show> > thanks to transport by Roger and
> Greg from Melbourne. The homeward > trip> > was 1500kms in our Europcar
> Subaru Outback due to a few shortcuts> > through Corryong, Tumbarumba,
> Cooma, Tumut and Gundagai.> > > > Anyone wanting some free camping
> should have a look at the areas > around> > Tumbarumba as there are a
> few sites with supplied water and very clean> > toilets. Another nice
> free camping spot is on the Murray River at> > Jingelic. These council
> owned free camping area have certainly > improved> > over the last few
> years.> > > > Phill> >
> ����
also ..
about newer subaru's missing traditional equipment..
my Subaru dealer parts manager told me after ..
not sure what year...2009 maybe ..
they don't have a fuel filter anywhere on the Subaru car ( ! ) .
 that's crazy. lol.


On 12/4/2012 2:28 PM, plander@optusnet.com.au wrote:
I drove a new Subaru Outback back from DOVW and it didn't have a temp gauge either. 



greg esposito <gregespo73@yahoo.com> wrote:

When I first saw the new beetle with a temp light (sans gauge) my 
first reaction was that they where just being tight and I as a driver 
would really miss that information. But after many years as a service 
adviser and service manager in car dealerships I have to say it is more 
a case of "horses for courses". People who understand and are into cars 
(probably everyone on this forum) will always want the gauge. Then there 
are those who just don't understand the fluctuations an old style gauge 
will make, but those who get it will derive useful information from 
those fluctuations. Sometimes these fluctuations cause drivers to panic 
for no reason. So manufacturers of modern vehicles have "evened out" the 
readings they give and you will notice on modern cars they tend to go up 
to half and sit there rock solid. The other thing to consider is a gauge 
will only work if you look at it, so it became necessary to incorporate 
and over temp warning light/buzzer. I
 have seen the results of people driving on after gauges and even lights 
are in the red and can see how a gauge is completely useless to them 
especially a gauge that is really only telling you cold, normal or hot. 
Maybe a spring loaded mallet poised above the drivers head would be more 
useful. Greg E

 

________________________________
 From: Roger Bell <bellrmit@yahoo.com.au>
To: "Syncro_T3_Australia@yahoogroups.com" 
<Syncro_T3_Australia@yahoogroups.com> 
Sent: Tuesday, 4 December 2012 11:59 PM
Subject: Re: [Syncro_T3_Australia] Re: Melbourne DOVW 2012
  
   
 
Hi Skot, 
  
My new T5 DID come with a temp. gauge plus the computer read out gives 
the oil temperature. Think it is a "standard" option that Trakka specify 
and I didn't seek to delete. Attached are a couple of photos the first 
of which with the ignition lights on showing the the temperature warning 
light which I agree would not grab the driver's attention. 
Cheers 
Roger 
Melbourne 
 

________________________________
From: Mr Scott Pitcher <spbconsulting@bigpond.com>
To: Syncro_T3_Australia@yahoogroups.com 
Sent: Friday, 30 November 2012 7:08 PM
Subject: Re: [Syncro_T3_Australia] Re: Melbourne DOVW 2012
 
  
Phill, This lack of temperature gauge seems to be common throughout all 
new cars. My brother just bought a new T5.5 work van and again - No 
Temperature gauge. They must just have an alert from the computer to 
tell you your engine is cooked - just like the idiot oil light! Skot On 
30/11/2012 6:07 PM, plander@optusnet.com.au wrote: 
  
Good engine donors.I can't believe that they don't have an engine 
temperature guage!> Ben <mailto:bencroft96%40yahoo.com> wrote:> > 
Phill,glad you had a good time.> Good cars those Outbacks.> Ben> > --- 
In mailto:Syncro_T3_Australia%40yahoogroups.com, "hdvwoc" 
mailto:plander@... > wrote:> >> > Joanne and I have just arrived home 
after another enjoyable DOVW show> > thanks to transport by Roger and 
Greg from Melbourne. The homeward > trip> > was 1500kms in our Europcar 
Subaru Outback due to a few shortcuts> > through Corryong, Tumbarumba, 
Cooma, Tumut and Gundagai.> > > > Anyone wanting some free camping 
should have a look at the areas > around> > Tumbarumba as there are a 
few sites with supplied water and very clean> > toilets. Another nice 
free camping spot is on the Murray River at> > Jingelic. These council 
owned free camping area have certainly > improved> > over the last few 
years.> > > > Phill> >   
         
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Parts managers - take everything they say with a dose of salts. Subaru has done the same as most manufacturers and put the filter inside the tank. Greg E

From: Scott Daniel - Turbovans <ScottDaniel@turbovans.com>
To: Syncro_T3_Australia@yahoogroups.com
Cc: plander@optusnet.com.au
Sent: Wednesday, 5 December 2012 11:02 AM
Subject: Re: [Syncro_T3_Australia] Re: Melbourne DOVW 2012
 
also ..
about newer subaru's missing traditional equipment..
my Subaru dealer parts manager told me after ..
not sure what year...2009 maybe ..
they don't have a fuel filter anywhere on the Subaru car ( ! ) .
 that's crazy. lol.


On 12/4/2012 2:28 PM, plander@optusnet.com.au wrote:
I drove a new Subaru Outback back from DOVW and it didn't have a temp gauge either. 



greg esposito mailto:gregespo73@yahoo.com wrote:

When I first saw the new beetle with a temp light (sans gauge) my 
first reaction was that they where just being tight and I as a driver 
would really miss that information. But after many years as a service 
adviser and service manager in car dealerships I have to say it is more 
a case of "horses for courses". People who understand and are into cars 
(probably everyone on this forum) will always want the gauge. Then there 
are those who just don't understand the fluctuations an old style gauge 
will make, but those who get it will derive useful information from 
those fluctuations. Sometimes these fluctuations cause drivers to panic 
for no reason. So manufacturers of modern vehicles have "evened out" the 
readings they give and you will notice on modern cars they tend to go up 
to half and sit there rock solid. The other thing to consider is a gauge 
will only work if you look at it, so it became necessary to incorporate 
and over temp warning light/buzzer. I
 have seen the results of people driving on after gauges and even lights 
are in the red and can see how a gauge is completely useless to them 
especially a gauge that is really only telling you cold, normal or hot. 
Maybe a spring loaded mallet poised above the drivers head would be more 
useful. Greg E

 

________________________________
 From: Roger Bell mailto:bellrmit@yahoo.com.au
To: mailto:Syncro_T3_Australia@yahoogroups.com 
mailto:Syncro_T3_Australia@yahoogroups.com 
Sent: Tuesday, 4 December 2012 11:59 PM
Subject: Re: [Syncro_T3_Australia] Re: Melbourne DOVW 2012
  
   
 
Hi Skot, 
  
My new T5 DID come with a temp. gauge plus the computer read out gives 
the oil temperature. Think it is a "standard" option that Trakka specify 
and I didn't seek to delete. Attached are a couple of photos the first 
of which with the ignition lights on showing the the temperature warning 
light which I agree would not grab the driver's attention. 
Cheers 
Roger 
Melbourne 
 

________________________________
From: Mr Scott Pitcher mailto:spbconsulting@bigpond.com
To: Syncro_T3_Australia@yahoogroups.com 
Sent: Friday, 30 November 2012 7:08 PM
Subject: Re: [Syncro_T3_Australia] Re: Melbourne DOVW 2012
 
  
Phill, This lack of temperature gauge seems to be common throughout all 
new cars. My brother just bought a new T5.5 work van and again - No 
Temperature gauge. They must just have an alert from the computer to 
tell you your engine is cooked - just like the idiot oil light! Skot On 
30/11/2012 6:07 PM, plander@optusnet.com.au wrote: 
  
Good engine donors.I can't believe that they don't have an engine 
temperature guage!> Ben <mailto:bencroft96%40yahoo.com> wrote:> > 
Phill,glad you had a good time.> Good cars those Outbacks.> Ben> > --- 
In mailto:Syncro_T3_Australia%40yahoogroups.com, "hdvwoc" 
mailto:plander@... > wrote:> >> > Joanne and I have just arrived home 
after another enjoyable DOVW show> > thanks to transport by Roger and 
Greg from Melbourne. The homeward > trip> > was 1500kms in our Europcar 
Subaru Outback due to a few shortcuts> > through Corryong, Tumbarumba, 
Cooma, Tumut and Gundagai.> > > > Anyone wanting some free camping 
should have a look at the areas > around> > Tumbarumba as there are a 
few sites with supplied water and very clean> > toilets. Another nice 
free camping spot is on the Murray River at> > Jingelic. These council 
owned free camping area have certainly > improved> > over the last few 
years.> > > > Phill> >   
         
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Roger,

I still cant believe a temperature gauge is an option - unless its an air-cooled engine!

The new dash looks just like a Mk 5/6 golf - very nice and sporty.

Cheers,

Skot

On 4/12/2012 11:59 PM, Roger Bell wrote:
Hi Skot,
My new T5 DID come with a temp. gauge plus the computer read out gives the oil temperature. Think it is a "standard" option that Trakka specify and I didn't seek to delete. Attached are a couple of photos the first of which with the ignition lights on showing the the temperature warning light which I agree would not grab the driver's attention.
Cheers
Roger
Melbourne

From: Mr Scott Pitcher <spbconsulting@bigpond.com>
To: Syncro_T3_Australia@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Friday, 30 November 2012 7:08 PM
Subject: Re: [Syncro_T3_Australia] Re: Melbourne DOVW 2012
Phill, This lack of temperature gauge seems to be common throughout all new cars. My brother just bought a new T5.5 work van and again - No Temperature gauge. They must just have an alert from the computer to tell you your engine is cooked - just like the idiot oil light! Skot On 30/11/2012 6:07 PM, plander@optusnet.com.au wrote:
Good engine donors.

I can't believe that they don't have an engine temperature guage!

> Ben <mailto:bencroft96%40yahoo.com> wrote:
>
> Phill,glad you had a good time.
> Good cars those Outbacks.
> Ben
>
> --- In mailto:Syncro_T3_Australia%40yahoogroups.com, "hdvwoc" mailto:plander@...
> wrote:
> >
> > Joanne and I have just arrived home after another enjoyable DOVW show
> > thanks to transport by Roger and Greg from Melbourne. The homeward
> trip
> > was 1500kms in our Europcar Subaru Outback due to a few shortcuts
> > through Corryong, Tumbarumba, Cooma, Tumut and Gundagai.
> >
> > Anyone wanting some free camping should have a look at the areas
> around
> > Tumbarumba as there are a few sites with supplied water and very clean
> > toilets. Another nice free camping spot is on the Murray River at
> > Jingelic. These council owned free camping area have certainly
> improved
> > over the last few years.
> >
> > Phill
> >

Bruce and All,

Check out this link to the official DOVW website photos pages:

http://www.vwclub.com.au/gallery.php?gallery=47

Cheers,

Skot

On 4/12/2012 11:59 PM, Roger Bell wrote:
Hi Skot,
My new T5 DID come with a temp. gauge plus the computer read out gives the oil temperature. Think it is a "standard" option that Trakka specify and I didn't seek to delete. Attached are a couple of photos the first of which with the ignition lights on showing the the temperature warning light which I agree would not grab the driver's attention.
Cheers
Roger
Melbourne

From: Mr Scott Pitcher <spbconsulting@bigpond.com>
To: Syncro_T3_Australia@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Friday, 30 November 2012 7:08 PM
Subject: Re: [Syncro_T3_Australia] Re: Melbourne DOVW 2012
Phill, This lack of temperature gauge seems to be common throughout all new cars. My brother just bought a new T5.5 work van and again - No Temperature gauge. They must just have an alert from the computer to tell you your engine is cooked - just like the idiot oil light! Skot On 30/11/2012 6:07 PM, plander@optusnet.com.au wrote:
Good engine donors.

I can't believe that they don't have an engine temperature guage!

> Ben <mailto:bencroft96%40yahoo.com> wrote:
>
> Phill,glad you had a good time.
> Good cars those Outbacks.
> Ben
>
> --- In mailto:Syncro_T3_Australia%40yahoogroups.com, "hdvwoc" mailto:plander@...
> wrote:
> >
> > Joanne and I have just arrived home after another enjoyable DOVW show
> > thanks to transport by Roger and Greg from Melbourne. The homeward
> trip
> > was 1500kms in our Europcar Subaru Outback due to a few shortcuts
> > through Corryong, Tumbarumba, Cooma, Tumut and Gundagai.
> >
> > Anyone wanting some free camping should have a look at the areas
> around
> > Tumbarumba as there are a few sites with supplied water and very clean
> > toilets. Another nice free camping spot is on the Murray River at
> > Jingelic. These council owned free camping area have certainly
> improved
> > over the last few years.
> >
> > Phill
> >