Postings, Threads, Readabilty

Hey fellow list members...

as I just happend to try reading some posts again, I noticed how the
posting habbits of some members seriously spoil the fun reading
through some threads, as no threads are where they belong anymore.
Here i what happens: Any eMail software is able to organize eMails in
threads, so that one topic and all it's replies stay in one place.
But: This only works, if list members stick to certain rules.
Currently I see one big old thread consiting of at least 5 topics, of
which 4 simply have been renamed (subject line...) copies of the
original one. Unfortunately messages do net get sorted just by subject
line, but by a variety of other properties. To sum it up: Please don't
just reply to some message in some discussion and rename the subject
to fit your own now topic, that just messes everything up. Instead
open a blank new message and address it to the group. That will
automatically be recognised as a new thread and your chances of being
read and getting proper anwers are much bigger. Right now it seems
that I tend to have lost my will to read through everything, as it's
just a big mess. On a list with traffic like this one, I would really
suggest sticking to some basic rules of posting to make things easier
and more efficient for all of us. Deal?

Thank you,

Martin


--
Martin Henning, DM5OY
martin@easy2design.de
http://log.tigerbus.de
Martin,since I assume that your message is probably directed to me,I must appoligize as I am new to this and are not aware of proper ettiqete in these forums.Please be as good to explain to me the basics.Postings.Threads.Replies etc as I am new to this,and the last thing I want to do is to annoy people.Excuse my ignorance.

--- In Syncro_T3_Australia@yahoogroups.com, Martin Henning <martin@...> wrote:
>
> Hey fellow list members...
>
> as I just happend to try reading some posts again, I noticed how the
> posting habbits of some members seriously spoil the fun reading
> through some threads, as no threads are where they belong anymore.
> Here i what happens: Any eMail software is able to organize eMails in
> threads, so that one topic and all it's replies stay in one place.
> But: This only works, if list members stick to certain rules.
> Currently I see one big old thread consiting of at least 5 topics, of
> which 4 simply have been renamed (subject line...) copies of the
> original one. Unfortunately messages do net get sorted just by subject
> line, but by a variety of other properties. To sum it up: Please don't
> just reply to some message in some discussion and rename the subject
> to fit your own now topic, that just messes everything up. Instead
> open a blank new message and address it to the group. That will
> automatically be recognised as a new thread and your chances of being
> read and getting proper anwers are much bigger. Right now it seems
> that I tend to have lost my will to read through everything, as it's
> just a big mess. On a list with traffic like this one, I would really
> suggest sticking to some basic rules of posting to make things easier
> and more efficient for all of us. Deal?
>
> Thank you,
>
> Martin
>
>
> --
> Martin Henning, DM5OY
> martin@...
> http://log.tigerbus.de
>
Martin's point seems perfectly valid to me and whilst not innocent I share the aim of not wanting to irritate people or detract them from contributing to our valued site. I'd guess that Les is going to have his work cut out preparing for the weekend's DOTVW display but the same event and preceding camping will bring together quite a bit of opinion and expertise.I'd be happy to try to get a consensus and post something next week if it would help but in the meantime welcome suggestions as long as you don't change the topic heading!
I thought etiquette demanded that you just have to replace your divots.
Cheers
Roger

--- On Mon, 9/11/09, bencroft96 <bencroft96@yahoo.com> wrote:

From: bencroft96 <bencroft96@yahoo.com>
Subject: [Syncro_T3_Australia] Re: Postings, Threads, Readabilty
To: Syncro_T3_Australia@yahoogroups.com
Received: Monday, 9 November, 2009, 6:52 PM

 
Martin,since I assume that your message is probably directed to me,I must appoligize as I am new to this and are not aware of proper ettiqete in these forums.Please be as good to explain to me the basics.Postings. Threads.Replies etc as I am new to this,and the last thing I want to do is to annoy people.Excuse my ignorance.

--- In Syncro_T3_Australia @yahoogroups. com, Martin Henning <martin@...> wrote:
>
> Hey fellow list members...
>
> as I just happend to try reading some posts again, I noticed how the
> posting habbits of some members seriously spoil the fun reading
> through some threads, as no threads are where they belong anymore.
> Here i what happens: Any eMail software is able to organize eMails in
> threads, so that one topic and all it's replies stay in one place.
> But: This only works, if list members stick to certain rules.
> Currently I see one big old thread consiting of at least 5 topics, of
> which 4 simply have been renamed (subject line...) copies of the
> original one. Unfortunately messages do net get sorted just by subject
> line, but by a variety of other properties. To sum it up: Please don't
> just reply to some message in some discussion and rename the subject
> to fit your own now topic, that just messes everything up. Instead
> open a blank new message and address it to the group. That will
> automatically be recognised as a new thread and your chances of being
> read and getting proper anwers are much bigger. Right now it seems
> that I tend to have lost my will to read through everything, as it's
> just a big mess. On a list with traffic like this one, I would really
> suggest sticking to some basic rules of posting to make things easier
> and more efficient for all of us. Deal?
>
> Thank you,
>
> Martin
>
>
> --
> Martin Henning, DM5OY
> martin@...
> http://log.tigerbus .de
>



Win 1 of 4 Sony home entertainment packs thanks to Yahoo!7. Enter now.
Hi Ben, I guess I would have emailed you personally if i wanted to :)
I didn't write down any "style offenders", I just noticed that huge
mess in my inbox which this time is not a result of messed up sorting
rules :)) Newbies might have a hard time coping with all that, I admit
- that's also why I meant my message to be friendly and encouraging...
maybe that didn't quite come through :)

Ciao,

Martin



On 09.11.2009, at 11:52, bencroft96 wrote:

> Martin,since I assume that your message is probably directed to me,I
> must appoligize as I am new to this and are not aware of proper
> ettiqete in these forums.Please be as good to explain to me the
> basics.Postings.Threads.Replies etc as I am new to this,and the last
> thing I want to do is to annoy people.Excuse my ignorance.
>
> --- In Syncro_T3_Australia@yahoogroups.com, Martin Henning
> <martin@...> wrote:
>>
>> Hey fellow list members...
>>
>> as I just happend to try reading some posts again, I noticed how the
>> posting habbits of some members seriously spoil the fun reading
>> through some threads, as no threads are where they belong anymore.
>> Here i what happens: Any eMail software is able to organize eMails in
>> threads, so that one topic and all it's replies stay in one place.
>> But: This only works, if list members stick to certain rules.
>> Currently I see one big old thread consiting of at least 5 topics, of
>> which 4 simply have been renamed (subject line...) copies of the
>> original one. Unfortunately messages do net get sorted just by
>> subject
>> line, but by a variety of other properties. To sum it up: Please
>> don't
>> just reply to some message in some discussion and rename the subject
>> to fit your own now topic, that just messes everything up. Instead
>> open a blank new message and address it to the group. That will
>> automatically be recognised as a new thread and your chances of being
>> read and getting proper anwers are much bigger. Right now it seems
>> that I tend to have lost my will to read through everything, as it's
>> just a big mess. On a list with traffic like this one, I would really
>> suggest sticking to some basic rules of posting to make things easier
>> and more efficient for all of us. Deal?
>>
>> Thank you,
>>
>> Martin
>>
>>
>> --
>> Martin Henning, DM5OY
>> martin@...
>> http://log.tigerbus.de
>>
>
>
>
>
> ------------------------------------
>
> Yahoo! Groups Links
>
>
>
>



--
Martin Henning, DM5OY
martin@easy2design.de
http://log.tigerbus.de
Hi Ben,

I looked up your post, and I must inform you... that you did it right!
Congrats :)

Here a screenshot illustrating the "problem": http://www.easy2design.de/stuff/ZZ0048AD3C.png

As you can see... Ben's post is a single thread with it's
corresponding answers. One below is one of those threads that has been
hijacked at least 5 times and therefore does not have a single topic
but many streams of discussion that are hard if not impossible to
follow.

.martin



On 09.11.2009, at 11:52, bencroft96 wrote:

> Martin,since I assume that your message is probably directed to me,I
> must appoligize as I am new to this and are not aware of proper
> ettiqete in these forums.Please be as good to explain to me the
> basics.Postings.Threads.Replies etc as I am new to this,and the last
> thing I want to do is to annoy people.Excuse my ignorance.
>
> --- In Syncro_T3_Australia@yahoogroups.com, Martin Henning
> <martin@...> wrote:
>>
>> Hey fellow list members...
>>
>> as I just happend to try reading some posts again, I noticed how the
>> posting habbits of some members seriously spoil the fun reading
>> through some threads, as no threads are where they belong anymore.
>> Here i what happens: Any eMail software is able to organize eMails in
>> threads, so that one topic and all it's replies stay in one place.
>> But: This only works, if list members stick to certain rules.
>> Currently I see one big old thread consiting of at least 5 topics, of
>> which 4 simply have been renamed (subject line...) copies of the
>> original one. Unfortunately messages do net get sorted just by
>> subject
>> line, but by a variety of other properties. To sum it up: Please
>> don't
>> just reply to some message in some discussion and rename the subject
>> to fit your own now topic, that just messes everything up. Instead
>> open a blank new message and address it to the group. That will
>> automatically be recognised as a new thread and your chances of being
>> read and getting proper anwers are much bigger. Right now it seems
>> that I tend to have lost my will to read through everything, as it's
>> just a big mess. On a list with traffic like this one, I would really
>> suggest sticking to some basic rules of posting to make things easier
>> and more efficient for all of us. Deal?
>>
>> Thank you,
>>
>> Martin
>>
>>
>> --
>> Martin Henning, DM5OY
>> martin@...
>> http://log.tigerbus.de
>>
>
>
>
>
> ------------------------------------
>
> Yahoo! Groups Links
>
>
>
>



--
Martin Henning, DM5OY
martin@easy2design.de
http://log.tigerbus.de
I'm guilty of that as I didn't know that it mattered. I must work out how to do it then.

My screen doesn't look anything like that.

Phill



> Martin Henning <martin@easy2design.de> wrote:
>
> Hi Ben,
>
> I looked up your post, and I must inform you... that you did it right!
> Congrats :)
>
> Here a screenshot illustrating the "problem":
> http://www.easy2design.de/stuff/ZZ0048AD3C.png
>
> As you can see... Ben's post is a single thread with it's
> corresponding answers. One below is one of those threads that has been
> hijacked at least 5 times and therefore does not have a single topic
> but many streams of discussion that are hard if not impossible to
> follow.
>
> .martin
>
>
>
> On 09.11.2009, at 11:52, bencroft96 wrote:
>
> > Martin,since I assume that your message is probably directed to me,I
> > must appoligize as I am new to this and are not aware of proper
> > ettiqete in these forums.Please be as good to explain to me the
> > basics.Postings.Threads.Replies etc as I am new to this,and the last
> > thing I want to do is to annoy people.Excuse my ignorance.
> >
> > --- In Syncro_T3_Australia@yahoogroups.com, Martin Henning
> > <martin@...> wrote:
> >>
> >> Hey fellow list members...
> >>
> >> as I just happend to try reading some posts again, I noticed how the
> >> posting habbits of some members seriously spoil the fun reading
> >> through some threads, as no threads are where they belong anymore.
> >> Here i what happens: Any eMail software is able to organize eMails in
> >> threads, so that one topic and all it's replies stay in one place.
> >> But: This only works, if list members stick to certain rules.
> >> Currently I see one big old thread consiting of at least 5 topics, of
> >> which 4 simply have been renamed (subject line...) copies of the
> >> original one. Unfortunately messages do net get sorted just by
> >> subject
> >> line, but by a variety of other properties. To sum it up: Please
> >> don't
> >> just reply to some message in some discussion and rename the subject
> >> to fit your own now topic, that just messes everything up. Instead
> >> open a blank new message and address it to the group. That will
> >> automatically be recognised as a new thread and your chances of being
> >> read and getting proper anwers are much bigger. Right now it seems
> >> that I tend to have lost my will to read through everything, as it's
> >> just a big mess. On a list with traffic like this one, I would really
> >> suggest sticking to some basic rules of posting to make things easier
> >> and more efficient for all of us. Deal?
> >>
> >> Thank you,
> >>
> >> Martin
> >>
> >>
> >> --
> >> Martin Henning, DM5OY
> >> martin@...
> >> http://log.tigerbus.de
> >>
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > ------------------------------------
> >
> > Yahoo! Groups Links
> >
> >
> >
> >
>
>
>
> --
> Martin Henning, DM5OY
> martin@easy2design.de
> http://log.tigerbus.de

Phill,   likewise,  I had NO idea and I am still with the fairies when it comes to the finer points of postings.

Being from last millennium , I really should stick to pumping up the tyres before heading  off to MELOURNE.

Sorry , guys, I have been a main offender here , will be more careful in future.... carpe diem........hartmut L

 

 

From: Syncro_T3_Australia@yahoogroups.com [mailto:Syncro_T3_Australia@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of plander@optusnet.com.au
Sent: Tuesday, 10 November 2009 6:54 AM
To: Syncro_T3_Australia@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: Re: [Syncro_T3_Australia] Re: Postings, Threads, Readabilty

 

 

I'm guilty of that as I didn't know that it mattered. I must work out how to do it then.

My screen doesn't look anything like that.

Phill

> Martin Henning <martin@easy2design.de>
wrote:
>
> Hi Ben,
>
> I looked up your post, and I must inform you... that you did it right!
> Congrats :)
>
> Here a screenshot illustrating the "problem":
> http://www.easy2design.de/stuff/ZZ0048AD3C.png
>
> As you can see... Ben's post is a single thread with it's
> corresponding answers. One below is one of those threads that has been
> hijacked at least 5 times and therefore does not have a single topic
> but many streams of discussion that are hard if not impossible to
> follow.
>
> .martin
>
>
>
> On 09.11.2009, at 11:52, bencroft96 wrote:
>
> > Martin,since I assume that your message is probably directed to me,I
> > must appoligize as I am new to this and are not aware of proper
> > ettiqete in these forums.Please be as good to explain to me the
> > basics.Postings.Threads.Replies etc as I am new to this,and the last
> > thing I want to do is to annoy people.Excuse my ignorance.
> >
> > --- In Syncro_T3_Australia@yahoogroups.com,
Martin Henning
> > <martin@...> wrote:
> >>
> >> Hey fellow list members...
> >>
> >> as I just happend to try reading some posts again, I noticed how
the
> >> posting habbits of some members seriously spoil the fun reading
> >> through some threads, as no threads are where they belong
anymore.
> >> Here i what happens: Any eMail software is able to organize
eMails in
> >> threads, so that one topic and all it's replies stay in one
place.
> >> But: This only works, if list members stick to certain rules.
> >> Currently I see one big old thread consiting of at least 5
topics, of
> >> which 4 simply have been renamed (subject line...) copies of the
> >> original one. Unfortunately messages do net get sorted just by
> >> subject
> >> line, but by a variety of other properties. To sum it up: Please
> >> don't
> >> just reply to some message in some discussion and rename the
subject
> >> to fit your own now topic, that just messes everything up.
Instead
> >> open a blank new message and address it to the group. That will
> >> automatically be recognised as a new thread and your chances of
being
> >> read and getting proper anwers are much bigger. Right now it
seems
> >> that I tend to have lost my will to read through everything, as
it's
> >> just a big mess. On a list with traffic like this one, I would
really
> >> suggest sticking to some basic rules of posting to make things
easier
> >> and more efficient for all of us. Deal?
> >>
> >> Thank you,
> >>
> >> Martin
> >>
> >>
> >> --
> >> Martin Henning, DM5OY
> >> martin@...
> >> http://log.tigerbus.de
> >>
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > ------------------------------------
> >
> > Yahoo! Groups Links
> >
> >
> >
> >
>
>
>
> --
> Martin Henning, DM5OY
> martin@easy2design.de
> http://log.tigerbus.de

Martin, i think it was me changing the thread subject. I did it to try
and reflect the discussion topic. A thread I started about 12v cooling
became a discussion about suspension heights so i changed it to ride
heights to try and help. I can see if you are following the thread by
subject in a big digest like you must do it would be a mess!

So i think the message here is when replying to a thread, keep the
content relevant to the subject head. If you want to start a new
discussion create a new subject.

Cheers
Gary

I will look into this after the DOTVW.  I am a bit handicapped in that what I see on the actual website is different to what the members see.  There are probably variable factors depending on what email client each member uses.  I have previously asked members to start new threads rather than tacking on to existing threads and also to chop off the earlier parts of the thread in order to reduce the length and bulk of their reply.  This is particularly noticeable when people use plain text and email clients that insert row upon row upon row of

>>>>>>>>>>>> symbols, resulting in replies
that are metres long.

Les

 


From: Syncro_T3_Australia@yahoogroups.com [mailto: Syncro_T3_Australia@yahoogroups.com ] On Behalf Of Martin Henning
Sent: 09 November 2009 21:42
To: Syncro_T3_Australia@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [Syncro_T3_Australia] Postings, Threads, Readabilty

 

 

Hey fellow list members...

as I just happend to try reading some posts again, I noticed how the
posting habbits of some members seriously spoil the fun reading
through some threads, as no threads are where they belong anymore.
Here i what happens: Any eMail software is able to organize eMails in
threads, so that one topic and all it's replies stay in one place.
But: This only works, if list members stick to certain rules.
Currently I see one big old thread consiting of at least 5 topics, of
which 4 simply have been renamed (subject line...) copies of the
original one. Unfortunately messages do net get sorted just by subject
line, but by a variety of other properties. To sum it up: Please don't
just reply to some message in some discussion and rename the subject
to fit your own now topic, that just messes everything up. Instead
open a blank new message and address it to the group. That will
automatically be recognised as a new thread and your chances of being
read and getting proper anwers are much bigger. Right now it seems
that I tend to have lost my will to read through everything, as it's
just a big mess. On a list with traffic like this one, I would really
suggest sticking to some basic rules of posting to make things easier
and more efficient for all of us. Deal?

Thank you,

Martin

--
Martin Henning, DM5OY
martin@easy2design. de
http://log.tigerbus .de

Hi there,

maybe after the return of most list members we can look into that and
define just a minimal set of posting styles that will allow for more
readability and user friendliness. Full quotes as Les mentioned are
another thing, though i didn't want to introduce all usenet crazyness
with my message. Anyway, some very basic things might be of value for
all of us.

Good night,

martin



On 10.11.2009, at 00:44, Les Harris wrote:

>
>
> I will look into this after the DOTVW. I am a bit handicapped in
> that what I see on the actual website is different to what the
> members see. There are probably variable factors depending on what
> email client each member uses. I have previously asked members to
> start new threads rather than tacking on to existing threads and
> also to chop off the earlier parts of the thread in order to reduce
> the length and bulk of their reply. This is particularly noticeable
> when people use plain text and email clients that insert row upon
> row upon row of >>>>>>>>>>>> symbols, resulting in replies that are
> metres long.
> Les
>
> From: Syncro_T3_Australia@yahoogroups.com [mailto:Syncro_T3_Australia@yahoogroups.com
> ] On Behalf Of Martin Henning
> Sent: 09 November 2009 21:42
> To: Syncro_T3_Australia@yahoogroups.com
> Subject: [Syncro_T3_Australia] Postings, Threads, Readabilty
>
>
> Hey fellow list members...
>
> as I just happend to try reading some posts again, I noticed how the
> posting habbits of some members seriously spoil the fun reading
> through some threads, as no threads are where they belong anymore.
> Here i what happens: Any eMail software is able to organize eMails in
> threads, so that one topic and all it's replies stay in one place.
> But: This only works, if list members stick to certain rules.
> Currently I see one big old thread consiting of at least 5 topics, of
> which 4 simply have been renamed (subject line...) copies of the
> original one. Unfortunately messages do net get sorted just by subject
> line, but by a variety of other properties. To sum it up: Please don't
> just reply to some message in some discussion and rename the subject
> to fit your own now topic, that just messes everything up. Instead
> open a blank new message and address it to the group. That will
> automatically be recognised as a new thread and your chances of being
> read and getting proper anwers are much bigger. Right now it seems
> that I tend to have lost my will to read through everything, as it's
> just a big mess. On a list with traffic like this one, I would really
> suggest sticking to some basic rules of posting to make things easier
> and more efficient for all of us. Deal?
>
> Thank you,
>
> Martin
>
> --
> Martin Henning, DM5OY
> martin@easy2design.de
> http://log.tigerbus.de
>
>
>
>



--
Martin Henning, DM5OY
martin@easy2design.de
http://log.tigerbus.de