Re : Extra Lift Possibilities

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Mark,
Pretty close ... I'm being pedantic  lol.
I've just measured on my bench my new uninstalled rear N37 OME. Center to centre bolt holes fully extended ... 594mm.
Ken 
To: Syncro_T3_Australia@yahoogroups.com
From: m.mullet@yahoo.com.au
Date: Wed, 4 Nov 2009 23:49:31 +0000
Subject: [Syncro_T3_Australia] Re: OME Shocks

 
again from memory the extended distance of OME rear shocks ( eye to eye centre ) is 595mm. Check the extended distance of the boges.
At the height you've mentioned ( 48cm ) the OME's should be ok.

Mark

--- In Syncro_T3_Australia @yahoogroups. com, "greg_navarro95" <greg_navarro95@ ...> wrote:
>
> Thanks for your feedback, The vehicle is not fitted with a tow bar, I know your not prophets but if I replace the current rear shocks with OME is this likely to stop the bangng. (given the measurement of 48cm from centre of hub to bottom of the wheel arch). Greg
>
> --- In Syncro_T3_Australia @yahoogroups. com, plander@ wrote:
> >
> >
> >
> > > I am trying to get to the bottom of the banging at the rear end of my
> > > Syncro also.
> > > I have just had a look and found a name and some numbers on the rear
> > > shockies. They are called Boge # 251 513 131G. I measured the distance
> > > from the middle of the hub to the bottom of the rear wheel arch and its
> > > 48cm. Not sure if the shockies or the springs are the problem here.
> > > Does anyone have any clues? Thanks Greg
> > >
> > >
> > >
> >
> >
> > They are the standard shocks as supplied to Australian syncros.
> >
> > Banging is normal from new.
> >
>



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Thanks Mark and Ken, am I able to get an accurate maximum extended measurement of the current shocks by jacking up the rear end? Greg

--- In Syncro_T3_Australia@yahoogroups.com, "m.mullet" <m.mullet@...> wrote:
>
> again from memory the extended distance of OME rear shocks ( eye to eye centre ) is 595mm. Check the extended distance of the boges.
> At the height you've mentioned ( 48cm ) the OME's should be ok.
>
> Mark
>
> --- In Syncro_T3_Australia@yahoogroups.com, "greg_navarro95" <greg_navarro95@> wrote:
> >
> > Thanks for your feedback, The vehicle is not fitted with a tow bar, I know your not prophets but if I replace the current rear shocks with OME is this likely to stop the bangng. (given the measurement of 48cm from centre of hub to bottom of the wheel arch). Greg
> >
> > --- In Syncro_T3_Australia@yahoogroups.com, plander@ wrote:
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > > I am trying to get to the bottom of the banging at the rear end of my
> > > > Syncro also.
> > > > I have just had a look and found a name and some numbers on the rear
> > > > shockies. They are called Boge # 251 513 131G. I measured the distance
> > > > from the middle of the hub to the bottom of the rear wheel arch and its
> > > > 48cm. Not sure if the shockies or the springs are the problem here.
> > > > Does anyone have any clues? Thanks Greg
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > >
> > >
> > > They are the standard shocks as supplied to Australian syncros.
> > >
> > > Banging is normal from new.
> > >
> >
>
63
There are two different types of longer shocks available from
Trailmaster - so what's the problem? :) See here http://
trailmaster.de/ or at a well-know reseller here: http://www.syncro-services.de/
Topping out rear shocks on raised syncros really isn't a problem any
more these days :)

Ciao,

Martin



On 29.10.2009, at 23:53, Gary Cookson wrote:

>
>
> Thanks Mark, not sure what to do other than change the shocks and
> springs. The bilsteins are definitely the longer variety for the
> syncro.
>
> Seems a strange design that the suspension travel is limited by the
> shock absorber, maybe Les can shed some light on that one.
>
> My camper is also heavy and on old springs so i'm surprised it is
> such an issue but the bang is there and it is too late to return the
> shocks as they've been on it a year now. With a full load of kids,
> camping equipment and the water tank full, it doesn't happen.
>
> I've just measured from the centre of the hub to the bottom of the
> wheel arch and have 47cm.
>
> Greg, to answer your question, just have a look behind the back
> wheel and see if your shocks have logos/part numbers on them.
>
> Cheers
> Gary
>
>
>
> [2 0 / 2 1 Design]
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> Richmond
> Vic 3121
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> On 30/10/2009, at 1:58 AM, m.mullet wrote:
>
>> Yeah the bang is what we shouldn't have.
>> I think from memory the maximum hub centre to bottom of wheel arch
>> measurement is about 48cm. Anything more and you'll have shocks
>> that don't have enough extension to stop the wheel before the limit
>> of shock travel.( with OME shocks. )
>>
>> All the best in your search.
>>
>> Mark
>>
>> --- In Syncro_T3_Australia@yahoogroups.com, Gary Cookson <gary@...>
>> wrote:
>> >
>> > Thanks Mark, my van is a full camper and has a fairly substantial
>> > poptop so i think it is pretty heavy. The bilsteins on the back
>> make a
>> > bit of bang when fully extended say if i go over a speed bump a bit
>> > too enthusiastically.
>> >
>> > Is that what you mean by yours topping out?
>> >
>> > Cheers
>> > Gary
>> >
>> > [2 0 / 2 1 Design]
>> > 28 Gwynne St
>> > Richmond
>> > Vic 3121
>> > gary@...
>> > www.twentytwentyone.net
>> > Tel 3 9429 1868
>> > Fax 3 9421 1110
>> > Mob 0417 352782
>> >
>> > On 29/10/2009, at 10:39 AM, m.mullet wrote:
>> >
>> > > I would recommend GoWesty springs/OME shocks as a good
>> combination.
>> > > My only comment is that unless you're running a reasonably
>> heavy van
>> > > you'll have shock extension issues on rough tracks.
>> > > My van is a basic camper and tops out except when loaded up fully
>> > > for a trip.
>> > > Apart from that it's a very comfortable ride with less dive under
>> > > braking and less corner roll. And the ground clearance is a real
>> > > bonus.
>> > >
>> > > Cheers,
>> > >
>> > > Mark
>> > >
>> > > --- In Syncro_T3_Australia@yahoogroups.com, erik Hoeflinger
>> > > <erikhoeflinger@> wrote:
>> > > >
>> > > >
>> > > > The 2wd springs are a cheap way to add some lift though I'm
>> not sure
>> > > > exactly how much they give? I know the camber angle limits the
>> > > amount
>> > > > of lift you can achieve over stock to 2" unless you fit
>> control arm
>> > > > spacers which allow wheel alignment to be brought back to spec.
>> > > Gowesty
>> > > > offer 2" lift springs for the syncro which from what I've read
>> > > hold up
>> > > > much better than stock springs as far as sagging goes. I had
>> > > intended to source a set of seikel springs at one point as there
>> > > just wasn't anything else available at the time.
>> > > >
>> > > > To: Syncro_T3_Australia@yahoogroups.com
>> > > > From: gary@
>> > > > Date: Wed, 28 Oct 2009 09:37:41 +1100
>> > > > Subject: Re: [Syncro_T3_Australia] OME Shocks
>> > > >
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>> > > > Thanks Hartmut, I didn't realise that stretching springs was an
>> > > option. Mine have gone a bit soft at the front and the shocks are
>> > > very tired.
>> > > >
>> > > > New bilsteins on the rear . I've asked ARB for a price and
>> > > availability of OME.
>> > > > Did I read somewhere that most European Syncro owners fit the
>> 2wd
>> > > front springs for increased lift?
>> > > > CheersGary
>> > > > [2 0 / 2 1 Design]
>> > > > 28 Gwynne St
>> > > > Richmond
>> > > > Vic 3121
>> > > > gary@
>> > > > www.twentytwentyone.net
>> > > > Tel 3 9429 1868
>> > > > Fax 3 9421 1110
>> > > > Mob 0417 352782
>> > > > On 27/10/2009, at 7:08 PM, Hartmut Kiehn wrote:Gary, yes I'm
>> happy
>> > > with OME shockers I use Seikel Springs Find them too hard now,
>> since
>> > > I don't use the truck for heavy loads anymore. Currently I'm
>> > > refitting the originals which I had stretched by 25mm .
>> > > Muller&Muller organized this for me. The shocks I bought round
>> the
>> > > corner in some SCA shop. Hartmut From: Syncro_T3_Australia@yahoogroups.com
>> > > [mailto:Syncro_T3_Australia@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Gary
>> > > Cookson
>> > > > Sent: Tuesday, 27 October 2009 2:21 PM
>> > > > To: Syncro_T3_Australia@yahoogroups.com
>> > > > Subject: [Syncro_T3_Australia] OME Shocks Hi all
>> > > >
>> > > > Those of you have fitted Old Man Emu Shocks I have a couple of
>> > > > questions:
>> > > >
>> > > > 1. Are you happy with them?
>> > > > 2. What springs are you using if not the stockers?
>> > > > 3. Where did you buy them in Australia?
>> > > >
>> > > > Cheers
>> > > > Gary Cookson
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64
Thanks Martin, what happens when the longer shock allows the swing arm to drop lower? Does this cause CV joint problems?


There are two different types of longer shocks available from 
Trailmaster - so what's the problem? :) See here http:// 
trailmaster. de/ or at a well-know reseller here: http://www.syncro- services. de/ 
Topping out rear shocks on raised syncros really isn't a problem any 
more these days :)

Ciao,

Martin

On 29.10.2009, at 23:53, Gary Cookson wrote:

>


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I have just measured the fully extended Boge rear shock absorbers and they come in at 530mm and 512mm when the car is in normal driving position. No wonder they bang so much, there isnt a lot of room for travel, 595mm OME must improve the situation.Greg


--- In Syncro_T3_Australia@yahoogroups.com, Ken Garratt <unclekenz@...> wrote:
>
>
> Mark,
>
> Pretty close ... I'm being pedantic lol.
>
> I've just measured on my bench my new uninstalled rear N37 OME. Center to centre bolt holes fully extended ... 594mm.
> Ken
>
>
> To: Syncro_T3_Australia@yahoogroups.com
> From: m.mullet@...
> Date: Wed, 4 Nov 2009 23:49:31 +0000
> Subject: [Syncro_T3_Australia] Re: OME Shocks
>
>
>
>
>
> again from memory the extended distance of OME rear shocks ( eye to eye centre ) is 595mm. Check the extended distance of the boges.
> At the height you've mentioned ( 48cm ) the OME's should be ok.
>
> Mark
>
> --- In Syncro_T3_Australia@yahoogroups.com, "greg_navarro95" <greg_navarro95@> wrote:
> >
> > Thanks for your feedback, The vehicle is not fitted with a tow bar, I know your not prophets but if I replace the current rear shocks with OME is this likely to stop the bangng. (given the measurement of 48cm from centre of hub to bottom of the wheel arch). Greg
> >
> > --- In Syncro_T3_Australia@yahoogroups.com, plander@ wrote:
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > > I am trying to get to the bottom of the banging at the rear end of my
> > > > Syncro also.
> > > > I have just had a look and found a name and some numbers on the rear
> > > > shockies. They are called Boge # 251 513 131G. I measured the distance
> > > > from the middle of the hub to the bottom of the rear wheel arch and its
> > > > 48cm. Not sure if the shockies or the springs are the problem here.
> > > > Does anyone have any clues? Thanks Greg
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > >
> > >
> > > They are the standard shocks as supplied to Australian syncros.
> > >
> > > Banging is normal from new.
> > >
> >
>
>
>
>
>
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greg is that with the bottom bolt removed so they are fully extended?

On 06/11/2009, at 2:21 PM, greg_navarro95 wrote:


I have just measured the fully extended Boge rear shock absorbers and they come in at 530mm and 512mm when the car is in normal driving position. No wonder they bang so much, there isnt a lot of room for travel, 595mm OME must improve the situation.Greg

--- In Syncro_T3_Australia @yahoogroups. com, Ken Garratt <unclekenz@. ..> wrote:
>
> 
> Mark,
> 
> Pretty close ... I'm being pedantic lol.
> 
> I've just measured on my bench my new uninstalled rear N37 OME. Center to centre bolt holes fully extended ... 594mm.
> Ken 
> 
> 
> To: Syncro_T3_Australia @yahoogroups. com
> From: m.mullet@...
> Date: Wed, 4 Nov 2009 23:49:31 +0000
> Subject: [Syncro_T3_Australi a] Re: OME Shocks
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> again from memory the extended distance of OME rear shocks ( eye to eye centre ) is 595mm. Check the extended distance of the boges.
> At the height you've mentioned ( 48cm ) the OME's should be ok.
> 
> Mark
> 
> --- In Syncro_T3_Australia @yahoogroups. com, "greg_navarro95" <greg_navarro95@ > wrote:
> >
> > Thanks for your feedback, The vehicle is not fitted with a tow bar, I know your not prophets but if I replace the current rear shocks with OME is this likely to stop the bangng. (given the measurement of 48cm from centre of hub to bottom of the wheel arch). Greg
> > 
> > --- In Syncro_T3_Australia @yahoogroups. com, plander@ wrote:
> > >
> > > 
> > > 
> > > > I am trying to get to the bottom of the banging at the rear end of my 
> > > > Syncro also.
> > > > I have just had a look and found a name and some numbers on the rear 
> > > > shockies. They are called Boge # 251 513 131G. I measured the distance 
> > > > from the middle of the hub to the bottom of the rear wheel arch and its 
> > > > 48cm. Not sure if the shockies or the springs are the problem here. 
> > > > Does anyone have any clues? Thanks Greg
> > > > 
> > > > 
> > > > 
> > > 
> > > 
> > > They are the standard shocks as supplied to Australian syncros.
> > > 
> > > Banging is normal from new.
> > >
> >
> 
> 
> 
> 
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Yes thats right Gary. Does it sound a bit short? greg



--- In Syncro_T3_Australia@yahoogroups.com, Gary Cookson <gary@...> wrote:
>
> greg is that with the bottom bolt removed so they are fully extended?
>
>
> On 06/11/2009, at 2:21 PM, greg_navarro95 wrote:
>
> >
> > I have just measured the fully extended Boge rear shock absorbers
> > and they come in at 530mm and 512mm when the car is in normal
> > driving position. No wonder they bang so much, there isnt a lot of
> > room for travel, 595mm OME must improve the situation.Greg
> >
> > --- In Syncro_T3_Australia@yahoogroups.com, Ken Garratt
> > <unclekenz@> wrote:
> > >
> > >
> > > Mark,
> > >
> > > Pretty close ... I'm being pedantic lol.
> > >
> > > I've just measured on my bench my new uninstalled rear N37 OME.
> > Center to centre bolt holes fully extended ... 594mm.
> > > Ken
> > >
> > >
> > > To: Syncro_T3_Australia@yahoogroups.com
> > > From: m.mullet@
> > > Date: Wed, 4 Nov 2009 23:49:31 +0000
> > > Subject: [Syncro_T3_Australia] Re: OME Shocks
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > again from memory the extended distance of OME rear shocks ( eye
> > to eye centre ) is 595mm. Check the extended distance of the boges.
> > > At the height you've mentioned ( 48cm ) the OME's should be ok.
> > >
> > > Mark
> > >
> > > --- In Syncro_T3_Australia@yahoogroups.com, "greg_navarro95"
> > <greg_navarro95@> wrote:
> > > >
> > > > Thanks for your feedback, The vehicle is not fitted with a tow
> > bar, I know your not prophets but if I replace the current rear
> > shocks with OME is this likely to stop the bangng. (given the
> > measurement of 48cm from centre of hub to bottom of the wheel arch).
> > Greg
> > > >
> > > > --- In Syncro_T3_Australia@yahoogroups.com, plander@ wrote:
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > > I am trying to get to the bottom of the banging at the rear
> > end of my
> > > > > > Syncro also.
> > > > > > I have just had a look and found a name and some numbers on
> > the rear
> > > > > > shockies. They are called Boge # 251 513 131G. I measured
> > the distance
> > > > > > from the middle of the hub to the bottom of the rear wheel
> > arch and its
> > > > > > 48cm. Not sure if the shockies or the springs are the
> > problem here.
> > > > > > Does anyone have any clues? Thanks Greg
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > They are the standard shocks as supplied to Australian syncros.
> > > > >
> > > > > Banging is normal from new.
> > > > >
> > > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
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not sure greg, you might be able to find some info on the net somewhere but i'll try and measure my bilsteins (which also bang) tonight

certainly that 60mm might make the difference compared to the OME

Gary
[2 0 / 2 1 Design]
28 Gwynne St
Richmond
Vic 3121
gary@twentytwentyone.net
www.twentytwentyone.net
Tel 3 9429 1868
Fax 3 9421 1110
Mob 0417 352782

On 06/11/2009, at 2:55 PM, greg_navarro95 wrote:

Yes thats right Gary. Does it sound a bit short? greg

--- In Syncro_T3_Australia @yahoogroups. com, Gary Cookson <gary@...> wrote:
>
> greg is that with the bottom bolt removed so they are fully extended?
> 
> 
> On 06/11/2009, at 2:21 PM, greg_navarro95 wrote:
> 
> >
> > I have just measured the fully extended Boge rear shock absorbers 
> > and they come in at 530mm and 512mm when the car is in normal 
> > driving position. No wonder they bang so much, there isnt a lot of 
> > room for travel, 595mm OME must improve the situation.Greg
> >
> > --- In Syncro_T3_Australia @yahoogroups. com, Ken Garratt 
> > <unclekenz@> wrote:
> > >
> > >
> > > Mark,
> > >
> > > Pretty close ... I'm being pedantic lol.
> > >
> > > I've just measured on my bench my new uninstalled rear N37 OME. 
> > Center to centre bolt holes fully extended ... 594mm.
> > > Ken
> > >
> > >
> > > To: Syncro_T3_Australia @yahoogroups. com
> > > From: m.mullet@
> > > Date: Wed, 4 Nov 2009 23:49:31 +0000
> > > Subject: [Syncro_T3_Australi a] Re: OME Shocks
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > again from memory the extended distance of OME rear shocks ( eye 
> > to eye centre ) is 595mm. Check the extended distance of the boges.
> > > At the height you've mentioned ( 48cm ) the OME's should be ok.
> > >
> > > Mark
> > >
> > > --- In Syncro_T3_Australia @yahoogroups. com, "greg_navarro95" 
> > <greg_navarro95@ > wrote:
> > > >
> > > > Thanks for your feedback, The vehicle is not fitted with a tow 
> > bar, I know your not prophets but if I replace the current rear 
> > shocks with OME is this likely to stop the bangng. (given the 
> > measurement of 48cm from centre of hub to bottom of the wheel arch). 
> > Greg
> > > >
> > > > --- In Syncro_T3_Australia @yahoogroups. com, plander@ wrote:
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > > I am trying to get to the bottom of the banging at the rear 
> > end of my
> > > > > > Syncro also.
> > > > > > I have just had a look and found a name and some numbers on 
> > the rear
> > > > > > shockies. They are called Boge # 251 513 131G. I measured 
> > the distance
> > > > > > from the middle of the hub to the bottom of the rear wheel 
> > arch and its
> > > > > > 48cm. Not sure if the shockies or the springs are the 
> > problem here.
> > > > > > Does anyone have any clues? Thanks Greg
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > They are the standard shocks as supplied to Australian syncros.
> > > > >
> > > > > Banging is normal from new.
> > > > >
> > > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
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You might want to use Porsche CVs if you are concerned about that...
924/944 would be the way to go for standard 14" or 930 for 16".

.martin



On 05.11.2009, at 23:27, Gary Cookson wrote:

>
>
> Thanks Martin, what happens when the longer shock allows the swing
> arm to drop lower? Does this cause CV joint problems?
>
>
>> There are two different types of longer shocks available from
>> Trailmaster - so what's the problem? :) See here http://
>> trailmaster.de/ or at a well-know reseller here: http://www.syncro-services.de/
>> Topping out rear shocks on raised syncros really isn't a problem any
>> more these days :)
>>
>> Ciao,
>>
>> Martin
>>
>> On 29.10.2009, at 23:53, Gary Cookson wrote:
>>
>> >
>>
>
>
>
>



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