SyncroT3 Hill Climb

Some very good video there.

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This looks to me like a walk in the park compared to THAT hill that Peter, Rudi and Bruce made it up and down on the Batemans Bay 2007 Fully Sync Tour. The rest of us chickened out.
Ken
 

To: Syncro_T3_Australia@yahoogroups.com
From: bencroft96@yahoo.com
Date: Thu, 16 Dec 2010 07:10:51 +0000
Subject: [Syncro_T3_Australia] Re: SyncroT3 Hill Climb

 
Some very good video there.

--- In Syncro_T3_Australia@yahoogroups.com, Mark Kofahl <markkofahl@...> wrote:
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> http://vanagonblog.com/volkswagen-t3-syncro-hill-climb
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What hill climb? have I missed the hill?  Hart
 

To: syncro_t3_australia@yahoogroups.com
From: unclekenz@hotmail.com
Date: Thu, 16 Dec 2010 18:22:25 +1100
Subject: RE: [Syncro_T3_Australia] Re: SyncroT3 Hill Climb

 
This looks to me like a walk in the park compared to THAT hill that Peter, Rudi and Bruce made it up and down on the Batemans Bay 2007 Fully Sync Tour. The rest of us chickened out.
Ken
 

To: Syncro_T3_Australia@yahoogroups.com
From: bencroft96@yahoo.com
Date: Thu, 16 Dec 2010 07:10:51 +0000
Subject: [Syncro_T3_Australia] Re: SyncroT3 Hill Climb

 
Some very good video there.

--- In Syncro_T3_Australia@yahoogroups.com, Mark Kofahl <markkofahl@...> wrote:
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> http://vanagonblog.com/volkswagen-t3-syncro-hill-climb
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>
> Sent from my iPhone
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Thanks for sending that clip Mark. I have been looking into getting some jeep rims re drilled to suit the syncro but was not sure that it was something others have done before. If you look closeley in that clip they are jeep steels. Greg E

--- On Thu, 16/12/10, Mark Kofahl <markkofahl@gmail.com> wrote:

From: Mark Kofahl <markkofahl@gmail.com>
Subject: [Syncro_T3_Australia] SyncroT3 Hill Climb
To: Syncro_T3_Australia@yahoogroups.com
Received: Thursday, 16 December, 2010, 4:47 PM


 
There was other clips with that one.Did you guys not see the one of the VC apart??

--- In Syncro_T3_Australia@yahoogroups.com, greg esposito <gregespo73@...> wrote:
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> Thanks for sending that clip Mark. I have been looking into getting some jeep rims re drilled to suit the syncro but was not sure that it was something others have done before. If you look closeley in that clip they are jeep steels. Greg E
>
> --- On Thu, 16/12/10, Mark Kofahl <markkofahl@...> wrote:
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>
> From: Mark Kofahl <markkofahl@...>
> Subject: [Syncro_T3_Australia] SyncroT3 Hill Climb
> To: Syncro_T3_Australia@yahoogroups.com
> Received: Thursday, 16 December, 2010, 4:47 PM
>
>
> Â
>
>
>
> http://vanagonblog.com/volkswagen-t3-syncro-hill-climb
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> Sent from my iPhone
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Hi Greg,

I changed the subjectline to better suit the topic.

There appears to be three different bolt patterns for Jeeps: 5x139mm, 5x127mm, & 5x114.3mm. The first two would require more than a simple redrilling to fit and not good candidates. They would likely require welding up the holes before they can be drilled to the correct bolt pattern. The 5x114.3mm would be a safer bet, figuratively speaking.

I have had alloy wheels redrilled before. You can see a sample at this page:

http://sites.google.com/site/vanagoncafe/vanagon-cafe-how-to-page

It's the article at the very bottom of the page. In this example, I had a set of Porsche Fuch replicas which had been 'Fuch'd up' (ask Hartis for proper pronunciation) by the previous owner. The solution was to use steel inserts so welding would not be necessary. The inserts in the example are similar to those commonly found on 60's to 80's Mercedes 'Bundt cake' wheels. The Merc typically use inserts intended for 12mm lugholes. Whereas you need holes to accommodate the 14mm studs on your Syncro. 

The alternative solution would be wheel adapters. The downside to that is cost. Safety would be a concern as well if te adapters are not fabricated properly. I would stay away from adapters with screw in studs and favor those which are pressed in from the back. Another bad effect is changing the offset. More on that if you want to explore the option.

Anyway, it is my opinion that at the end of the day, it is much more economical to buy a wheel designed for your vehicle or very close to it. Adapters, redrilling, and various other wheel changes translate to 'custom' work. Custom work almost always cost more money regardless of currency.;-)


BenT



On Dec 15, 2010, at 11:59 PM, greg esposito <gregespo73@yahoo.com> wrote:

Thanks for sending that clip Mark. I have been looking into getting some jeep rims re drilled to suit the syncro but was not sure that it was something others have done before. If you look closeley in that clip they are jeep steels. Greg E

--- On Thu, 16/12/10, Mark Kofahl <markkofahl@gmail.com> wrote:


Wheel adapters are illegal in Australia.

It is nearly impossible to modify most steel wheels to fit a syncro. I looked at modifying T4 wheels, but the wheel manufacturer refused to machine the centre bore.

Alloy wheels have a flat face, so machining can usually be done.

Better to buy the wheel that was designed to do the job.

Phill



> BenT Syncro <syncro@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> Hi Greg,
>
> I changed the subjectline to better suit the topic.
>
> There appears to be three different bolt patterns for Jeeps: 5x139mm,
> 5x127mm, & 5x114.3mm. The first two would require more than a simple
> redrilling to fit and not good candidates. They would likely require
> welding up the holes before they can be drilled to the correct bolt
> pattern. The 5x114.3mm would be a safer bet, figuratively speaking.
>
> I have had alloy wheels redrilled before. You can see a sample at this
> page:
>
> http://sites.google.com/site/vanagoncafe/vanagon-cafe-how-to-page
>
> It's the article at the very bottom of the page. In this example, I had
> a set of Porsche Fuch replicas which had been 'Fuch'd up' (ask Hartis
> for proper pronunciation) by the previous owner. The solution was to use
> steel inserts so welding would not be necessary. The inserts in the
> example are similar to those commonly found on 60's to 80's Mercedes
> 'Bundt cake' wheels. The Merc typically use inserts intended for 12mm
> lugholes. Whereas you need holes to accommodate the 14mm studs on your
> Syncro.
>
> The alternative solution would be wheel adapters. The downside to that
> is cost. Safety would be a concern as well if te adapters are not
> fabricated properly. I would stay away from adapters with screw in studs
> and favor those which are pressed in from the back. Another bad effect
> is changing the offset. More on that if you want to explore the option.
>
> Anyway, it is my opinion that at the end of the day, it is much more
> economical to buy a wheel designed for your vehicle or very close to it.
> Adapters, redrilling, and various other wheel changes translate to
> 'custom' work. Custom work almost always cost more money regardless of
> currency.;-)
>
>
> BenT
>
>
>
> On Dec 15, 2010, at 11:59 PM, greg esposito <gregespo73@yahoo.com>
> wrote:
>
> >
> >
> > Thanks for sending that clip Mark. I have been looking into getting
> some jeep rims re drilled to suit the syncro but was not sure that it
> was something others have done before. If you look closeley in that clip
> they are jeep steels. Greg E
> >
> > --- On Thu, 16/12/10, Mark Kofahl <markkofahl@gmail.com> wrote:
> >
> > http://vanagonblog.com/volkswagen-t3-syncro-hill-climb
> >
> >
> >
> >
Ben, Phill, I was defiantly talking 114.3 and alloys. The stud diameter on a jeep is 13mm our syncros are 14mm with a pcd of 112 (as you know). So i think it should be just a matter of machining, no welding. The particular wheel I was looking at had an offset of 25mm and was off a grand Cherokee so load should be OK. The only issue is the cost of the rims and the cost of drilling. Greg E

--- On Fri, 17/12/10, plander@optusnet.com.au <plander@optusnet.com.au> wrote:

From: plander@optusnet.com.au <plander@optusnet.com.au>
Subject: Re: [Syncro_T3_Australia] Redrilling wheels
To: Syncro_T3_Australia@yahoogroups.com
Received: Friday, 17 December, 2010, 6:58 AM

 
Wheel adapters are illegal in Australia.

It is nearly impossible to modify most steel wheels to fit a syncro. I looked at modifying T4 wheels, but the wheel manufacturer refused to machine the centre bore.

Alloy wheels have a flat face, so machining can usually be done.

Better to buy the wheel that was designed to do the job.

Phill

> BenT Syncro <syncro@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> Hi Greg,
>
> I changed the subjectline to better suit the topic.
>
> There appears to be three different bolt patterns for Jeeps: 5x139mm,
> 5x127mm, & 5x114.3mm. The first two would require more than a simple
> redrilling to fit and not good candidates. They would likely require
> welding up the holes before they can be drilled to the correct bolt
> pattern. The 5x114.3mm would be a safer bet, figuratively speaking.
>
> I have had alloy wheels redrilled before. You can see a sample at this
> page:
>
> http://sites.google.com/site/vanagoncafe/vanagon-cafe-how-to-page
>
> It's the article at the very bottom of the page. In this example, I had
> a set of Porsche Fuch replicas which had been 'Fuch'd up' (ask Hartis
> for proper pronunciation) by the previous owner. The solution was to use
> steel inserts so welding would not be necessary. The inserts in the
> example are similar to those commonly found on 60's to 80's Mercedes
> 'Bundt cake' wheels. The Merc typically use inserts intended for 12mm
> lugholes. Whereas you need holes to accommodate the 14mm studs on your
> Syncro.
>
> The alternative solution would be wheel adapters. The downside to that
> is cost. Safety would be a concern as well if te adapters are not
> fabricated properly. I would stay away from adapters with screw in studs
> and favor those which are pressed in from the back. Another bad effect
> is changing the offset. More on that if you want to explore the option.
>
> Anyway, it is my opinion that at the end of the day, it is much more
> economical to buy a wheel designed for your vehicle or very close to it.
> Adapters, redrilling, and various other wheel changes translate to
> 'custom' work. Custom work almost always cost more money regardless of
> currency.;-)
>
>
> BenT
>
>
>
> On Dec 15, 2010, at 11:59 PM, greg esposito <gregespo73@yahoo.com>
> wrote:
>
> >
> >
> > Thanks for sending that clip Mark. I have been looking into getting
> some jeep rims re drilled to suit the syncro but was not sure that it
> was something others have done before. If you look closeley in that clip
> they are jeep steels. Greg E
> >
> > --- On Thu, 16/12/10, Mark Kofahl <markkofahl@gmail.com> wrote:
> >
> > http://vanagonblog.com/volkswagen-t3-syncro-hill-climb
> >
> >
> >
> >

 
I wasn't really referring to your post Greg. Just general wheel mods. Those inserts work fine.



> greg esposito <gregespo73@yahoo.com> wrote:
>
> Ben, Phill, I was defiantly talking 114.3 and alloys. The stud diameter
> on a jeep is 13mm our syncros are 14mm with a pcd of 112 (as you know).
> So i think it should be just a matter of machining, no welding. The
> particular wheel I was looking at had an offset of 25mm and was off a
> grand Cherokee so load should be OK. The only issue is the cost of the
> rims and the cost of drilling. Greg E
>
> --- On Fri, 17/12/10, plander@optusnet.com.au <plander@optusnet.com.au>
> wrote:
>
>
> From: plander@optusnet.com.au <plander@optusnet.com.au>
> Subject: Re: [Syncro_T3_Australia] Redrilling wheels
> To: Syncro_T3_Australia@yahoogroups.com
> Received: Friday, 17 December, 2010, 6:58 AM
>
>
> ����
>
>
>
> Wheel adapters are illegal in Australia.
>
> It is nearly impossible to modify most steel wheels to fit a syncro. I
> looked at modifying T4 wheels, but the wheel manufacturer refused to
> machine the centre bore.
>
> Alloy wheels have a flat face, so machining can usually be done.
>
> Better to buy the wheel that was designed to do the job.
>
> Phill
>
> > BenT Syncro <syncro@gmail.com> wrote:
> >
> > Hi Greg,
> >
> > I changed the subjectline to better suit the topic.
> >
> > There appears to be three different bolt patterns for Jeeps: 5x139mm,
> > 5x127mm, & 5x114.3mm. The first two would require more than a simple
> > redrilling to fit and not good candidates. They would likely require
> > welding up the holes before they can be drilled to the correct bolt
> > pattern. The 5x114.3mm would be a safer bet, figuratively speaking.
> >
> > I have had alloy wheels redrilled before. You can see a sample at this
>
> > page:
> >
> > http://sites.google.com/site/vanagoncafe/vanagon-cafe-how-to-page
> >
> > It's the article at the very bottom of the page. In this example, I
> had
> > a set of Porsche Fuch replicas which had been 'Fuch'd up' (ask Hartis
> > for proper pronunciation) by the previous owner. The solution was to
> use
> > steel inserts so welding would not be necessary. The inserts in the
> > example are similar to those commonly found on 60's to 80's Mercedes
> > 'Bundt cake' wheels. The Merc typically use inserts intended for 12mm
> > lugholes. Whereas you need holes to accommodate the 14mm studs on your
>
> > Syncro.
> >
> > The alternative solution would be wheel adapters. The downside to that
>
> > is cost. Safety would be a concern as well if te adapters are not
> > fabricated properly. I would stay away from adapters with screw in
> studs
> > and favor those which are pressed in from the back. Another bad effect
>
> > is changing the offset. More on that if you want to explore the
> option.
> >
> > Anyway, it is my opinion that at the end of the day, it is much more
> > economical to buy a wheel designed for your vehicle or very close to
> it.
> > Adapters, redrilling, and various other wheel changes translate to
> > 'custom' work. Custom work almost always cost more money regardless of
>
> > currency.;-)
> >
> >
> > BenT
> >
> >
> >
> > On Dec 15, 2010, at 11:59 PM, greg esposito <gregespo73@yahoo.com>
> > wrote:
> >
> > >
> > >
> > > Thanks for sending that clip Mark. I have been looking into getting
> > some jeep rims re drilled to suit the syncro but was not sure that it
> > was something others have done before. If you look closeley in that
> clip
> > they are jeep steels. Greg E
> > >
> > > --- On Thu, 16/12/10, Mark Kofahl <markkofahl@gmail.com> wrote:
> > >
> > > http://vanagonblog.com/volkswagen-t3-syncro-hill-climb
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
Apparently the incline of a hill always looks less steep than it actually is on camera. Apparently.. The syncro going up truck hill is my fave hill climb vid. Lots of wheel spin and ridiculously long and steep.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wG-rk3ysg3I

To: Syncro_T3_Australia@yahoogroups.com
From: bencroft96@yahoo.com
Date: Thu, 16 Dec 2010 07:10:51 +0000
Subject: [Syncro_T3_Australia] Re: SyncroT3 Hill Climb

 
Some very good video there.

--- In Syncro_T3_Australia@yahoogroups.com, Mark Kofahl <markkofahl@...> wrote:
>
> http://vanagonblog.com/volkswagen-t3-syncro-hill-climb
>
>
> Sent from my iPhone
>


Believe me Truck hill is much stepper than it looks.  I was at Syncrodemayo on 2009 when Seth took his orange moster up the hill.  He made it look easy, others did not make it up the hill at all.  Seth’s syncro is amazing, front and rear lockers 16" tyres custom front and rear suspension, 2.2L subi.  Driving back to camp from truck hill we drove through a gully that would have stopped all but the most modified syncro’s. If fact I did not even think Seth’s monster could get out of it.  However grabbing the for the lockers Seth proved just how accomplished the syncro’s can be off road.

 

Cheers,

Michael Roberts



From: erik Hoeflinger <erikhoeflinger@hotmail.com>
To: syncro_t3_australia@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Fri, December 17, 2010 12:33:03 PM
Subject: RE: [Syncro_T3_Australia] Re: SyncroT3 Hill Climb

 

Apparently the incline of a hill always looks less steep than it actually is on camera. Apparently.. The syncro going up truck hill is my fave hill climb vid. Lots of wheel spin and ridiculously long and steep.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wG-rk3ysg3I


To: Syncro_T3_Australia@yahoogroups.com
From: bencroft96@yahoo.com
Date: Thu, 16 Dec 2010 07:10:51 +0000
Subject: [Syncro_T3_Australia] Re: SyncroT3 Hill Climb

 
Some very good video there.

--- In Syncro_T3_Australia@yahoogroups.com, Mark Kofahl <markkofahl@...> wrote:
>
> http://vanagonblog.com/volkswagen-t3-syncro-hill-climb
>
>
> Sent from my iPhone
>