T3 gear box

1
Once your bearing looks like this, you better stop. This is the inner race of the
Pinion main bearing
Hart
2
Looks noisy.

What else needs replacing?
How many kms?
Is this the TriStar box?

Phill



> Hartmut Kiehn <hartis@live.com.au> wrote:
>
> Once your bearing looks like this, you better stop. This is the inner
> race of the
> Pinion main bearing
> Hart
3
Looks noisy.

What else needs replacing?
How many kms?
Is this the TriStar box?

Phill



> Hartmut Kiehn <hartis@live.com.au> wrote:
>
> Once your bearing looks like this, you better stop. This is the inner
> race of the
> Pinion main bearing
> Hart
4
Hart,

That looks like the roads around the Central Coast of NSW.

Good job you had it fixed before it did any major damage.

See you up @ Valla soon.

Cheers,

Skot

On 13/06/2012 3:49 PM, Hartmut Kiehn wrote:
 

Once your bearing looks like this, you better stop. This is the inner race of the
Pinion main bearing
Hart




Sent from my WalkingStick!

5

Greetings Hart

Is this the 1st time for a gearbox overhaul for the Tristar?

Regards

Bob

6

Skot, I think the Central C roads did it, went there after the Nationals....( to be honest, it started going down to SYD) Ha.

 

From: Syncro_T3_Australia@yahoogroups.com [mailto:Syncro_T3_Australia@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Mr Scott Pitcher
Sent: Wednesday, 13 June 2012 4:04 PM
To: Syncro_T3_Australia@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [Syncro_T3_Australia] T3 gear box

 

 

Hart,

That looks like the roads around the Central Coast of NSW.

Good job you had it fixed before it did any major damage.

See you up @ Valla soon.

Cheers,

Skot

On 13/06/2012 3:49 PM, Hartmut Kiehn wrote:

 

Once your bearing looks like this, you better stop. This is the inner race of the
Pinion main bearing
Hart




  
  
  
Sent from my WalkingStick!

 

7
It wouldn't be the first vehicle to suffer because of our crappy roads.

Good thing it was the camper and not Big Red!


Skot


On 13/06/2012 4:13 PM, Hartmut Kiehn wrote:
 

Skot, I think the Central C roads did it, went there after the Nationals....( to be honest, it started going down to SYD) Ha.

 

From: Syncro_T3_Australia@yahoogroups.com [mailto:Syncro_T3_Australia@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Mr Scott Pitcher
Sent: Wednesday, 13 June 2012 4:04 PM
To: Syncro_T3_Australia@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [Syncro_T3_Australia] T3 gear box

 

 

Hart,

That looks like the roads around the Central Coast of NSW.

Good job you had it fixed before it did any major damage.

See you up @ Valla soon.

Cheers,

Skot

On 13/06/2012 3:49 PM, Hartmut Kiehn wrote:

 

Once your bearing looks like this, you better stop. This is the inner race of the
Pinion main bearing
Hart




  
  
  
Sent from my WalkingStick!

 


8

250 000 km Trakka , Syncronizer rings have hairline cracks, shiftrod bushing (1 only) , c/w-pinion are ok.  Hart

So the moral of the event, if you notice a noise from the g/box stop and have it checked, the main bearing   ( $340)  is the weak link . If in doubt check the magnetic oil plug for metal shavings.

Hart

 

 

From: Syncro_T3_Australia@yahoogroups.com [mailto:Syncro_T3_Australia@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of plander@optusnet.com.au
Sent: Wednesday, 13 June 2012 3:57 PM
To: Syncro_T3_Australia@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [Syncro_T3_Australia] T3 gear box

 

 

Looks noisy.

What else needs replacing?
How many kms?
Is this the TriStar box?

Phill

> Hartmut Kiehn <hartis@live.com.au> wrote:
>
> Once your bearing looks like this, you better stop. This is the inner
> race of the
> Pinion main bearing
> Hart

9
Hart what are your thoughts on the aftermarket SA oiling plates as i understand they help the oiling of the gearbox mainshaft bearing??
You certainly have explored areas of our machines that terify mere mortals. Are you contemplating a decoupler for the Trakka.
Keep up the good fight
Regards Pete

--- In Syncro_T3_Australia@yahoogroups.com, "Hartmut Kiehn" <hartis@...> wrote:
>
> 250 000 km Trakka , Syncronizer rings have hairline cracks, shiftrod bushing
> (1 only) , c/w-pinion are ok. Hart
>
> So the moral of the event, if you notice a noise from the g/box stop and
> have it checked, the main bearing ( $340) is the weak link . If in doubt
> check the magnetic oil plug for metal shavings.
>
> Hart
>
>
>
>
>
> From: Syncro_T3_Australia@yahoogroups.com
> [mailto:Syncro_T3_Australia@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of
> plander@...
> Sent: Wednesday, 13 June 2012 3:57 PM
> To: Syncro_T3_Australia@yahoogroups.com
> Subject: Re: [Syncro_T3_Australia] T3 gear box
>
>
>
>
>
> Looks noisy.
>
> What else needs replacing?
> How many kms?
> Is this the TriStar box?
>
> Phill
>
> > Hartmut Kiehn <hartis@... <mailto:hartis%40live.com.au> > wrote:
> >
> > Once your bearing looks like this, you better stop. This is the inner
> > race of the
> > Pinion main bearing
> > Hart
>
10

Pete,   don’t wanna  frighten you, just always show awareness to your senses like hearing. If there is an unusual noise, do something about it, doesn’t have to be expensive if you catch it in the early stages.

Re decoupler, wouldn’t have a T3 without it.

Oiling plates, although it’s hard to tell if they are any good, but they certainly can’t do any harm. I’m contemplating to install oil cooling, just looking for an oil pump, the rest I have got .

Just ANOTHER project.

Colourful Greetings,  Hart

 

From: Syncro_T3_Australia@yahoogroups.com [mailto:Syncro_T3_Australia@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Anette
Sent: Thursday, 14 June 2012 11:28 AM
To: Syncro_T3_Australia@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [Syncro_T3_Australia] Re: T3 gear box

 

 

Hart what are your thoughts on the aftermarket SA oiling plates as i understand they help the oiling of the gearbox mainshaft bearing??
You certainly have explored areas of our machines that terify mere mortals. Are you contemplating a decoupler for the Trakka.
Keep up the good fight
Regards Pete

--- In Syncro_T3_Australia@yahoogroups.com, "Hartmut Kiehn" <hartis@...> wrote:
>
> 250 000 km Trakka , Syncronizer rings have hairline cracks, shiftrod bushing
> (1 only) , c/w-pinion are ok. Hart
>
> So the moral of the event, if you notice a noise from the g/box stop and
> have it checked, the main bearing ( $340) is the weak link . If in doubt
> check the magnetic oil plug for metal shavings.
>
> Hart
>
>
>
>
>
> From: Syncro_T3_Australia@yahoogroups.com
> [mailto:Syncro_T3_Australia@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of
> plander@...
> Sent: Wednesday, 13 June 2012 3:57 PM
> To: Syncro_T3_Australia@yahoogroups.com
> Subject: Re: [Syncro_T3_Australia] T3 gear box
>
>
>
>
>
> Looks noisy.
>
> What else needs replacing?
> How many kms?
> Is this the TriStar box?
>
> Phill
>
> > Hartmut Kiehn <hartis@... <mailto:hartis%40live.com.au> > wrote:
> >
> > Once your bearing looks like this, you better stop. This is the inner
> > race of the
> > Pinion main bearing
> > Hart
>

11
Remember the oiling plates were put in by factory engineers. They found a need with the 5cyl motor and it extended the life of the gearbox. Cheap insurance!

Phill



> Hartmut Kiehn <hartis@live.com.au> wrote:
>
> Pete, don't wanna frighten you, just always show awareness to your
> senses
> like hearing. If there is an unusual noise, do something about it,
> doesn't
> have to be expensive if you catch it in the early stages.
>
> Re decoupler, wouldn't have a T3 without it.
>
> Oiling plates, although it's hard to tell if they are any good, but they
> certainly can't do any harm. I'm contemplating to install oil cooling,
> just
> looking for an oil pump, the rest I have got .
>
> Just ANOTHER project.
>
> Colourful Greetings, Hart
>
>
>
> From: Syncro_T3_Australia@yahoogroups.com
> [mailto:Syncro_T3_Australia@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Anette
> Sent: Thursday, 14 June 2012 11:28 AM
> To: Syncro_T3_Australia@yahoogroups.com
> Subject: [Syncro_T3_Australia] Re: T3 gear box
>
>
>
>
>
> Hart what are your thoughts on the aftermarket SA oiling plates as i
> understand they help the oiling of the gearbox mainshaft bearing??
> You certainly have explored areas of our machines that terify mere
> mortals.
> Are you contemplating a decoupler for the Trakka.
> Keep up the good fight
> Regards Pete
>
> --- In Syncro_T3_Australia@yahoogroups.com
> <mailto:Syncro_T3_Australia%40yahoogroups.com> , "Hartmut Kiehn"
> <hartis@...> wrote:
> >
> > 250 000 km Trakka , Syncronizer rings have hairline cracks, shiftrod
> bushing
> > (1 only) , c/w-pinion are ok. Hart
> >
> > So the moral of the event, if you notice a noise from the g/box stop
> and
> > have it checked, the main bearing ( $340) is the weak link . If in
> doubt
> > check the magnetic oil plug for metal shavings.
> >
> > Hart
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > From: Syncro_T3_Australia@yahoogroups.com
> <mailto:Syncro_T3_Australia%40yahoogroups.com>
> > [mailto:Syncro_T3_Australia@yahoogroups.com
> <mailto:Syncro_T3_Australia%40yahoogroups.com> ] On Behalf Of
> > plander@...
> > Sent: Wednesday, 13 June 2012 3:57 PM
> > To: Syncro_T3_Australia@yahoogroups.com
> <mailto:Syncro_T3_Australia%40yahoogroups.com>
> > Subject: Re: [Syncro_T3_Australia] T3 gear box
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > Looks noisy.
> >
> > What else needs replacing?
> > How many kms?
> > Is this the TriStar box?
> >
> > Phill
> >
> > > Hartmut Kiehn <hartis@...
> <mailto:hartis@...%20%3cmailto:hartis%40live.com.au>
> <mailto:hartis%40live.com.au> > wrote:
> > >
> > > Once your bearing looks like this, you better stop. This is the
> inner
> > > race of the
> > > Pinion main bearing
> > > Hart
> >
12
Point taken , a bit like the de coupler, also a factory development or the flat 6 which was built by öttinger...
Ha


Sent from my WalkingStick!

On 14/06/2012, at 1:20 PM, plander@optusnet.com.au wrote:

 

Remember the oiling plates were put in by factory engineers. They found a need with the 5cyl motor and it extended the life of the gearbox. Cheap insurance!

Phill

> Hartmut Kiehn <hartis@live.com.au> wrote:
>
> Pete, don't wanna frighten you, just always show awareness to your
> senses
> like hearing. If there is an unusual noise, do something about it,
> doesn't
> have to be expensive if you catch it in the early stages.
>
> Re decoupler, wouldn't have a T3 without it.
>
> Oiling plates, although it's hard to tell if they are any good, but they
> certainly can't do any harm. I'm contemplating to install oil cooling,
> just
> looking for an oil pump, the rest I have got .
>
> Just ANOTHER project.
>
> Colourful Greetings, Hart
>
>
>
> From: Syncro_T3_Australia@yahoogroups.com
> [mailto:Syncro_T3_Australia@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Anette
> Sent: Thursday, 14 June 2012 11:28 AM
> To: Syncro_T3_Australia@yahoogroups.com
> Subject: [Syncro_T3_Australia] Re: T3 gear box
>
>
>
>
>
> Hart what are your thoughts on the aftermarket SA oiling plates as i
> understand they help the oiling of the gearbox mainshaft bearing??
> You certainly have explored areas of our machines that terify mere
> mortals.
> Are you contemplating a decoupler for the Trakka.
> Keep up the good fight
> Regards Pete
>
> --- In Syncro_T3_Australia@yahoogroups.com
> <mailto:Syncro_T3_Australia%40yahoogroups.com> , "Hartmut Kiehn"
> <hartis@...> wrote:
> >
> > 250 000 km Trakka , Syncronizer rings have hairline cracks, shiftrod
> bushing
> > (1 only) , c/w-pinion are ok. Hart
> >
> > So the moral of the event, if you notice a noise from the g/box stop
> and
> > have it checked, the main bearing ( $340) is the weak link . If in
> doubt
> > check the magnetic oil plug for metal shavings.
> >
> > Hart
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > From: Syncro_T3_Australia@yahoogroups.com
> <mailto:Syncro_T3_Australia%40yahoogroups.com>
> > [mailto:Syncro_T3_Australia@yahoogroups.com
> <mailto:Syncro_T3_Australia%40yahoogroups.com> ] On Behalf Of
> > plander@...
> > Sent: Wednesday, 13 June 2012 3:57 PM
> > To: Syncro_T3_Australia@yahoogroups.com
> <mailto:Syncro_T3_Australia%40yahoogroups.com>
> > Subject: Re: [Syncro_T3_Australia] T3 gear box
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > Looks noisy.
> >
> > What else needs replacing?
> > How many kms?
> > Is this the TriStar box?
> >
> > Phill
> >
> > > Hartmut Kiehn <hartis@...
> <mailto:hartis@...%20%3cmailto:hartis%40live.com.au>
> <mailto:hartis%40live.com.au> > wrote:
> > >
> > > Once your bearing looks like this, you better stop. This is the
> inner
> > > race of the
> > > Pinion main bearing
> > > Hart
> >

13
Hart yes they can run hot on hiway running and an oil cooler would be a great thing..
Please take some pics and put in the photos as I cant access the photos in messages.

Cheers Pete

--- In Syncro_T3_Australia@yahoogroups.com, Hartmut Kiehn <hartis@...> wrote:
>
> Point taken , a bit like the de coupler, also a factory development or the flat 6 which was built by öttinger...
> Ha
>
>
> Sent from my WalkingStick!
>
> On 14/06/2012, at 1:20 PM, plander@... wrote:
>
> > Remember the oiling plates were put in by factory engineers. They found a need with the 5cyl motor and it extended the life of the gearbox. Cheap insurance!
> >
> > Phill
> >
> > > Hartmut Kiehn <hartis@...> wrote:
> > >
> > > Pete, don't wanna frighten you, just always show awareness to your
> > > senses
> > > like hearing. If there is an unusual noise, do something about it,
> > > doesn't
> > > have to be expensive if you catch it in the early stages.
> > >
> > > Re decoupler, wouldn't have a T3 without it.
> > >
> > > Oiling plates, although it's hard to tell if they are any good, but they
> > > certainly can't do any harm. I'm contemplating to install oil cooling,
> > > just
> > > looking for an oil pump, the rest I have got .
> > >
> > > Just ANOTHER project.
> > >
> > > Colourful Greetings, Hart
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > From: Syncro_T3_Australia@yahoogroups.com
> > > [mailto:Syncro_T3_Australia@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Anette
> > > Sent: Thursday, 14 June 2012 11:28 AM
> > > To: Syncro_T3_Australia@yahoogroups.com
> > > Subject: [Syncro_T3_Australia] Re: T3 gear box
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > Hart what are your thoughts on the aftermarket SA oiling plates as i
> > > understand they help the oiling of the gearbox mainshaft bearing??
> > > You certainly have explored areas of our machines that terify mere
> > > mortals.
> > > Are you contemplating a decoupler for the Trakka.
> > > Keep up the good fight
> > > Regards Pete
> > >
> > > --- In Syncro_T3_Australia@yahoogroups.com
> > > <mailto:Syncro_T3_Australia%40yahoogroups.com> , "Hartmut Kiehn"
> > > <hartis@> wrote:
> > > >
> > > > 250 000 km Trakka , Syncronizer rings have hairline cracks, shiftrod
> > > bushing
> > > > (1 only) , c/w-pinion are ok. Hart
> > > >
> > > > So the moral of the event, if you notice a noise from the g/box stop
> > > and
> > > > have it checked, the main bearing ( $340) is the weak link . If in
> > > doubt
> > > > check the magnetic oil plug for metal shavings.
> > > >
> > > > Hart
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > From: Syncro_T3_Australia@yahoogroups.com
> > > <mailto:Syncro_T3_Australia%40yahoogroups.com>
> > > > [mailto:Syncro_T3_Australia@yahoogroups.com
> > > <mailto:Syncro_T3_Australia%40yahoogroups.com> ] On Behalf Of
> > > > plander@
> > > > Sent: Wednesday, 13 June 2012 3:57 PM
> > > > To: Syncro_T3_Australia@yahoogroups.com
> > > <mailto:Syncro_T3_Australia%40yahoogroups.com>
> > > > Subject: Re: [Syncro_T3_Australia] T3 gear box
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > Looks noisy.
> > > >
> > > > What else needs replacing?
> > > > How many kms?
> > > > Is this the TriStar box?
> > > >
> > > > Phill
> > > >
> > > > > Hartmut Kiehn <hartis@
> > > <mailto:hartis@%20%3cmailto:hartis%40live.com.au>
> > > <mailto:hartis%40live.com.au> > wrote:
> > > > >
> > > > > Once your bearing looks like this, you better stop. This is the
> > > inner
> > > > > race of the
> > > > > Pinion main bearing
> > > > > Hart
> > > >
> >
>
14
I am also interested in your set up Hart. A good quality, quite pump is pricey. Are you using the drain and fill holes or tapping new ones. I like the idea of having the return oil showering down on all the important bits. Greg E

From: Anette <peterw1000@gmail.com>
To: Syncro_T3_Australia@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Thursday, 14 June 2012 4:07 PM
Subject: [Syncro_T3_Australia] Re: T3 gear box

 
Hart yes they can run hot on hiway running and an oil cooler would be a great thing..
Please take some pics and put in the photos as I cant access the photos in messages.

Cheers Pete

--- In mailto:Syncro_T3_Australia%40yahoogroups.com, Hartmut Kiehn <hartis@...> wrote:
>
> Point taken , a bit like the de coupler, also a factory development or the flat 6 which was built by öttinger...
> Ha
>
>
> Sent from my WalkingStick!
>
> On 14/06/2012, at 1:20 PM, plander@... wrote:
>
> > Remember the oiling plates were put in by factory engineers. They found a need with the 5cyl motor and it extended the life of the gearbox. Cheap insurance!
> >
> > Phill
> >
> > > Hartmut Kiehn <hartis@...> wrote:
> > >
> > > Pete, don't wanna frighten you, just always show awareness to your
> > > senses
> > > like hearing. If there is an unusual noise, do something about it,
> > > doesn't
> > > have to be expensive if you catch it in the early stages.
> > >
> > > Re decoupler, wouldn't have a T3 without it.
> > >
> > > Oiling plates, although it's hard to tell if they are any good, but they
> > > certainly can't do any harm. I'm contemplating to install oil cooling,
> > > just
> > > looking for an oil pump, the rest I have got .
> > >
> > > Just ANOTHER project.
> > >
> > > Colourful Greetings, Hart
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > From: mailto:Syncro_T3_Australia%40yahoogroups.com
> > > [mailto:mailto:Syncro_T3_Australia%40yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Anette
> > > Sent: Thursday, 14 June 2012 11:28 AM
> > > To: mailto:Syncro_T3_Australia%40yahoogroups.com
> > > Subject: [Syncro_T3_Australia] Re: T3 gear box
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > Hart what are your thoughts on the aftermarket SA oiling plates as i
> > > understand they help the oiling of the gearbox mainshaft bearing??
> > > You certainly have explored areas of our machines that terify mere
> > > mortals.
> > > Are you contemplating a decoupler for the Trakka.
> > > Keep up the good fight
> > > Regards Pete
> > >
> > > --- In mailto:Syncro_T3_Australia%40yahoogroups.com
> > > <mailto:Syncro_T3_Australia%40yahoogroups.com> , "Hartmut Kiehn"
> > > <hartis@> wrote:
> > > >
> > > > 250 000 km Trakka , Syncronizer rings have hairline cracks, shiftrod
> > > bushing
> > > > (1 only) , c/w-pinion are ok. Hart
> > > >
> > > > So the moral of the event, if you notice a noise from the g/box stop
> > > and
> > > > have it checked, the main bearing ( $340) is the weak link . If in
> > > doubt
> > > > check the magnetic oil plug for metal shavings.
> > > >
> > > > Hart
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > From: mailto:Syncro_T3_Australia%40yahoogroups.com
> > > <mailto:Syncro_T3_Australia%40yahoogroups.com>
> > > > [mailto:mailto:Syncro_T3_Australia%40yahoogroups.com
> > > <mailto:Syncro_T3_Australia%40yahoogroups.com> ] On Behalf Of
> > > > plander@
> > > > Sent: Wednesday, 13 June 2012 3:57 PM
> > > > To: mailto:Syncro_T3_Australia%40yahoogroups.com
> > > <mailto:Syncro_T3_Australia%40yahoogroups.com>
> > > > Subject: Re: [Syncro_T3_Australia] T3 gear box
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > Looks noisy.
> > > >
> > > > What else needs replacing?
> > > > How many kms?
> > > > Is this the TriStar box?
> > > >
> > > > Phill
> > > >
> > > > > Hartmut Kiehn <hartis@
> > > <mailto:hartis@%20%3cmailto:hartis%40live.com.au>
> > > <mailto:hartis%40live.com.au> > wrote:
> > > > >
> > > > > Once your bearing looks like this, you better stop. This is the
> > > inner
> > > > > race of the
> > > > > Pinion main bearing
> > > > > Hart
> > > >
> >
>



15

Greg,

Aeration has to be guarded against on the return side.  It should not be a problem after the oil has been through a cooler but should be kept in mind.

Les

 

From: Syncro_T3_Australia@yahoogroups.com [mailto:Syncro_T3_Australia@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of greg esposito
Sent: 14 June 2012 16:36
To: Syncro_T3_Australia@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [Syncro_T3_Australia] Re: T3 gear box

 

I am also interested in your set up Hart. A good quality, quite pump is pricey. Are you using the drain and fill holes or tapping new ones. I like the idea of having the return oil showering down on all the important bits. Greg E

 

,___

16
Thanks Les, always nice to have a professional on hand. So is it best to have the pump before the cooler? Is the shape of the outlet important? As I was saying finding the right pump is the hard thing. Something small with lots of flow but not pressure. Greg E

From: Les Harris <leslieharris@optusnet.com.au>
To: Syncro_T3_Australia@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Thursday, 14 June 2012 4:42 PM
Subject: RE: [Syncro_T3_Australia] Re: T3 gear box

 
Greg,
Aeration has to be guarded against on the return side.  It should not be a problem after the oil has been through a cooler but should be kept in mind.
Les
 
From: Syncro_T3_Australia@yahoogroups.com [mailto:Syncro_T3_Australia@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of greg esposito
Sent: 14 June 2012 16:36
To: Syncro_T3_Australia@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [Syncro_T3_Australia] Re: T3 gear box
 
I am also interested in your set up Hart. A good quality, quite pump is pricey. Are you using the drain and fill holes or tapping new ones. I like the idea of having the return oil showering down on all the important bits. Greg E
 
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Greg, Haven’t started yet, but seeing the gearboxes at Ron’s w/shop, the ones he builds for off road racing, which almost all have oil cooling with return of oil over c/w and pinion, gave me ideas.

Les, could you give us some more info on the aeration and what to watch for? As my g/box is out, now would be the time to do the fittings etc. And Ron would be the right person to do it as he is doing it all the time. He suggested not to use the drain as a pick up point because of its low position.

Hart

 

From: Syncro_T3_Australia@yahoogroups.com [mailto:Syncro_T3_Australia@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of greg esposito
Sent: Thursday, 14 June 2012 4:36 PM
To: Syncro_T3_Australia@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [Syncro_T3_Australia] Re: T3 gear box

 

 

I am also interested in your set up Hart. A good quality, quite pump is pricey. Are you using the drain and fill holes or tapping new ones. I like the idea of having the return oil showering down on all the important bits. Greg E

 

From: Anette <peterw1000@gmail.com>
To: Syncro_T3_Australia@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Thursday, 14 June 2012 4:07 PM
Subject: [Syncro_T3_Australia] Re: T3 gear box

 

 

Hart yes they can run hot on hiway running and an oil cooler would be a great thing..
Please take some pics and put in the photos as I cant access the photos in messages.

Cheers Pete

--- In mailto:Syncro_T3_Australia%40yahoogroups.com, Hartmut Kiehn <hartis@...> wrote:
>
> Point taken , a bit like the de coupler, also a factory development or the flat 6 which was built by öttinger...
> Ha
>
>
> Sent from my WalkingStick!
>
> On 14/06/2012, at 1:20 PM, plander@... wrote:
>
> > Remember the oiling plates were put in by factory engineers. They found a need with the 5cyl motor and it extended the life of the gearbox. Cheap insurance!
> >
> > Phill
> >
> > > Hartmut Kiehn <hartis@...> wrote:
> > >
> > > Pete, don't wanna frighten you, just always show awareness to your
> > > senses
> > > like hearing. If there is an unusual noise, do something about it,
> > > doesn't
> > > have to be expensive if you catch it in the early stages.
> > >
> > > Re decoupler, wouldn't have a T3 without it.
> > >
> > > Oiling plates, although it's hard to tell if they are any good, but they
> > > certainly can't do any harm. I'm contemplating to install oil cooling,
> > > just
> > > looking for an oil pump, the rest I have got .
> > >
> > > Just ANOTHER project.
> > >
> > > Colourful Greetings, Hart
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > From: mailto:Syncro_T3_Australia%40yahoogroups.com
> > > [mailto:mailto:Syncro_T3_Australia%40yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Anette
> > > Sent: Thursday, 14 June 2012 11:28 AM
> > > To: mailto:Syncro_T3_Australia%40yahoogroups.com
> > > Subject: [Syncro_T3_Australia] Re: T3 gear box
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > Hart what are your thoughts on the aftermarket SA oiling plates as i
> > > understand they help the oiling of the gearbox mainshaft bearing??
> > > You certainly have explored areas of our machines that terify mere
> > > mortals.
> > > Are you contemplating a decoupler for the Trakka.
> > > Keep up the good fight
> > > Regards Pete
> > >
> > > --- In mailto:Syncro_T3_Australia%40yahoogroups.com
> > > <mailto:Syncro_T3_Australia%40yahoogroups.com> , "Hartmut Kiehn"
> > > <hartis@> wrote:
> > > >
> > > > 250 000 km Trakka , Syncronizer rings have hairline cracks, shiftrod
> > > bushing
> > > > (1 only) , c/w-pinion are ok. Hart
> > > >
> > > > So the moral of the event, if you notice a noise from the g/box stop
> > > and
> > > > have it checked, the main bearing ( $340) is the weak link . If in
> > > doubt
> > > > check the magnetic oil plug for metal shavings.
> > > >
> > > > Hart
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > From: mailto:Syncro_T3_Australia%40yahoogroups.com
> > > <mailto:Syncro_T3_Australia%40yahoogroups.com>
> > > > [mailto:mailto:Syncro_T3_Australia%40yahoogroups.com
> > > <mailto:Syncro_T3_Australia%40yahoogroups.com> ] On Behalf Of
> > > > plander@
> > > > Sent: Wednesday, 13 June 2012 3:57 PM
> > > > To: mailto:Syncro_T3_Australia%40yahoogroups.com
> > > <mailto:Syncro_T3_Australia%40yahoogroups.com>
> > > > Subject: Re: [Syncro_T3_Australia] T3 gear box
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > Looks noisy.
> > > >
> > > > What else needs replacing?
> > > > How many kms?
> > > > Is this the TriStar box?
> > > >
> > > > Phill
> > > >
> > > > > Hartmut Kiehn <hartis@
> > > <mailto:hartis@%20%3cmailto:hartis%40live.com.au>
> > > <mailto:hartis%40live.com.au> > wrote:
> > > > >
> > > > > Once your bearing looks like this, you better stop. This is the
> > > inner
> > > > > race of the
> > > > > Pinion main bearing
> > > > > Hart
> > > >
> >
>

 

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Hart and Greg,

Ron has homed in on a key factor when he says not to pick up from the lowest point. 

It is essential to have a safety margin in the event of an oil leak in the cooler circuit.  If the pickup is from the lowest point, the pump will very quickly empty the gearbox.  If it is above, the pickup position needs to be such that some gears are still able to touch the sump oil and therefore fling oil around the interior of the box.  (You can still use the drain plug but with a standpipe to set the level.)

With full dry sump engines and gearboxes, the oil being picked up by the pump is already aerated because it has already been flung around.  (The insides of engines and gearboxes are extremely busy places!!)  Before being returned to the sump, the oil is usually run through a pepper pot which allows the air to separate out.

In the case of a partial dry sump (picking up from above the lowest point), there will still be some entrained air in the oil but this tends to separate out as it travels through the oil cooler.  When it gets back to the gearbox, it can run through a horizontal pipe above the gear sets with outlet holes over each gear set.

There is certainly a it of work involved but, give the ambient temperature that are common on Australia road surfaces, it is a very good move.

Les

PS: Greg, pump first, then the cooler.

From: Syncro_T3_Australia@yahoogroups.com [mailto:Syncro_T3_Australia@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Hartmut Kiehn
Sent: 14 June 2012 17:26
To: Syncro_T3_Australia@yahoogroups.com
Subject: RE: [Syncro_T3_Australia] Re: T3 gear box

 

Greg,  Haven’t  started yet, but seeing the gearboxes at Ron’s w/shop, the ones he builds for off road racing, which almost all have oil cooling with return of oil over c/w and pinion, gave me ideas. Les, could you give us some more info on the aeration and what to watch for? As my g/box is out,  now would be the time to do the fittings etc. And Ron would be the right person to do it as he is doing it all the time. He suggested not to use the drain as a pick up point because of its low position. Hart

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Can you get pics of his sand rail setups Hart? Also finding out if he could advise/supply pumps would be good too. So he just dumps all the return straight onto the c&p? Greg E

From: Les Harris <leslieharris@optusnet.com.au>
To: Syncro_T3_Australia@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Thursday, 14 June 2012 5:57 PM
Subject: RE: [Syncro_T3_Australia] Re: T3 gear box

 
Hart and Greg,
Ron has homed in on a key factor when he says not to pick up from the lowest point. 
It is essential to have a safety margin in the event of an oil leak in the cooler circuit.  If the pickup is from the lowest point, the pump will very quickly empty the gearbox.  If it is above, the pickup position needs to be such that some gears are still able to touch the sump oil and therefore fling oil around the interior of the box.  (You can still use the drain plug but with a standpipe to set the level.)
With full dry sump engines and gearboxes, the oil being picked up by the pump is already aerated because it has already been flung around.  (The insides of engines and gearboxes are extremely busy places!!)  Before being returned to the sump, the oil is usually run through a pepper pot which allows the air to separate out.
In the case of a partial dry sump (picking up from above the lowest point), there will still be some entrained air in the oil but this tends to separate out as it travels through the oil cooler.  When it gets back to the gearbox, it can run through a horizontal pipe above the gear sets with outlet holes over each gear set.
There is certainly a it of work involved but, give the ambient temperature that are common on Australia road surfaces, it is a very good move.
Les
PS: Greg, pump first, then the cooler.
From: Syncro_T3_Australia@yahoogroups.com [mailto:Syncro_T3_Australia@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Hartmut Kiehn
Sent: 14 June 2012 17:26
To: Syncro_T3_Australia@yahoogroups.com
Subject: RE: [Syncro_T3_Australia] Re: T3 gear box
 
Greg,  Haven’t  started yet, but seeing the gearboxes at Ron’s w/shop, the ones he builds for off road racing, which almost all have oil cooling with return of oil over c/w and pinion, gave me ideas. Les, could you give us some more info on the aeration and what to watch for? As my g/box is out,  now would be the time to do the fittings etc. And Ron would be the right person to do it as he is doing it all the time. He suggested not to use the drain as a pick up point because of its low position. Hart


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Greg, I will go over on Saturday and try to find out more .Ha.

 

 

 

 

From: Syncro_T3_Australia@yahoogroups.com [mailto:Syncro_T3_Australia@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of greg esposito

 

 

 

Can you get pics of his sand rail setups Hart? Also finding out if he could advise/supply pumps would be good too. So he just dumps all the return straight onto the c&p? Greg E

 

From: Les Harris <leslieharris@optusnet.com.au>
To: Syncro_T3_Australia@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Thursday, 14 June 2012 5:57 PM
Subject: RE: [Syncro_T3_Australia] Re: T3 gear box

 

 

Hart and Greg,

Ron has homed in on a key factor when he says not to pick up from the lowest point. 

It is essential to have a safety margin in the event of an oil leak in the cooler circuit.  If the pickup is from the lowest point, the pump will very quickly empty the gearbox.  If it is above, the pickup position needs to be such that some gears are still able to touch the sump oil and therefore fling oil around the interior of the box.  (You can still use the drain plug but with a standpipe to set the level.)

With full dry sump engines and gearboxes, the oil being picked up by the pump is already aerated because it has already been flung around.  (The insides of engines and gearboxes are extremely busy places!!)  Before being returned to the sump, the oil is usually run through a pepper pot which allows the air to separate out.

In the case of a partial dry sump (picking up from above the lowest point), there will still be some entrained air in the oil but this tends to separate out as it travels through the oil cooler.  When it gets back to the gearbox, it can run through a horizontal pipe above the gear sets with outlet holes over each gear set.

There is certainly a it of work involved but, give the ambient temperature that are common on Australia road surfaces, it is a very good move.

Les

PS: Greg, pump first, then the cooler.

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