The Bus Stop Front Mudflaps

1
I ordered a set of front mudflaps from The Bus Stop and they have
just arrived.

THEY ARE NOT THE ORIGINAL MUDFLAPS!!!!!

The original mudflaps were a very thick and heavy moulded rubber.
These things are thin el cheapo moulded plastic, not within a bull's
roar of the original. They aren't made by VAG, I hasten to add. I
should have been a bit suspicious about the price but I thought that
this was clearance stock. Wrong!!

The Syncro front mudflaps are very prone to damage when the vehicle
is put on a workshop hoist. Many workshops just swing the arms
under the front jacking points without screwing out the lift pads.
(And some hoists don't have height adjusting screws anyway.) This
bends the mudflaps at 90 degrees and soon cracks them. These Bus
Stop things look like ABS, which will just bend and stay bent.

IF anyone wants the genuine article, scour the wreckers.

Les
2
I have just looked at the label on the packaging and it is a bit ambiguous. 
 
Just what might the "Genuine Parts" mean?
 
Les
3
Try that again, this time with the attachment!
 
----- Original Message -----
From: Les Harris
Sent: Friday, November 28, 2008 12:12 PM
Subject: [Syncro_T3_Australia] The Bus Stop Front Mudflaps

I have just looked at the label on the packaging and it is a bit ambiguous. 
 
Just what might the "Genuine Parts" mean?
 
Les

4
Les, i think they are genuine - genuine SA mudflaps. To be mounted
directly on the "edge" - unlike the genuine from Germany that you had
in mind.

Ciao,

Martin


On 28.11.2008, at 02:15, Les Harris wrote:

> Try that again, this time with the attachment!
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: Les Harris
> To: Syncro_T3_Australia@yahoogroups.com
> Sent: Friday, November 28, 2008 12:12 PM
> Subject: [Syncro_T3_Australia] The Bus Stop Front Mudflaps
>
>
> I have just looked at the label on the packaging and it is a bit
> ambiguous.
>
> Just what might the "Genuine Parts" mean?
>
> Les
>
>
> <Mudflap Label.doc>



--
Martin Henning, DM5OY
martin@easy2design.de
http://log.tigerbus.de
5
Martin,
 
South Africa, like Australia, is a rather rugged country and it seems improbable that a mudflap that is barely adequate for street use would be used as OE but I will post to the SyncroSA site and ask if they had them as standard.
 
Les
 
----- Original Message -----
Sent: Friday, November 28, 2008 10:01 PM
Subject: Re: [Syncro_T3_Australia] The Bus Stop Front Mudflaps

Les, i think they are genuine - genuine SA mudflaps. To be mounted
directly on the "edge" - unlike the genuine from Germany that you had
in mind.

Ciao,

Martin

On 28.11.2008, at 02:15, Les Harris wrote:

> Try that again, this time with the attachment!
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: Les Harris
> To: Syncro_T3_Australia @yahoogroups. com
> Sent: Friday, November 28, 2008 12:12 PM
> Subject: [Syncro_T3_Australi a] The Bus Stop Front Mudflaps
>
>
> I have just looked at the label on the packaging and it is a bit
> ambiguous.
>
> Just what might the "Genuine Parts" mean?
>
> Les
>
>
> <Mudflap Label.doc>

--
Martin Henning, DM5OY
martin@easy2design. de
http://log.tigerbus .de

6
Yes, but I'm pretty sure :)

See also: http://shop.vw-winkler.de/product_info.php/info/p235_Schmutzfaenger-VA-und-HA.html

.martin



On 28.11.2008, at 12:05, Les Harris wrote:

> Martin,
>
> South Africa, like Australia, is a rather rugged country and it
> seems improbable that a mudflap that is barely adequate for street
> use would be used as OE but I will post to the SyncroSA site and ask
> if they had them as standard.
>
> Les
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: Martin Henning
> To: Syncro_T3_Australia@yahoogroups.com
> Sent: Friday, November 28, 2008 10:01 PM
> Subject: Re: [Syncro_T3_Australia] The Bus Stop Front Mudflaps
>
> Les, i think they are genuine - genuine SA mudflaps. To be mounted
> directly on the "edge" - unlike the genuine from Germany that you had
> in mind.
>
> Ciao,
>
> Martin
>
> On 28.11.2008, at 02:15, Les Harris wrote:
>
> > Try that again, this time with the attachment!
> >
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: Les Harris
> > To: Syncro_T3_Australia@yahoogroups.com
> > Sent: Friday, November 28, 2008 12:12 PM
> > Subject: [Syncro_T3_Australia] The Bus Stop Front Mudflaps
> >
> >
> > I have just looked at the label on the packaging and it is a bit
> > ambiguous.
> >
> > Just what might the "Genuine Parts" mean?
> >
> > Les
> >
> >
> > <Mudflap Label.doc>
>
> --
> Martin Henning, DM5OY
> martin@easy2design.de
> http://log.tigerbus.de
>
>
>



--
Martin Henning, DM5OY
martin@easy2design.de
http://log.tigerbus.de
7
Martin,
 
I have had a couple of replies from SA and they are in use there but presumably as after-market fittings.
 
The website you nominated shows then as "Original SA Part".  If this is correct, this prompts the question as to why Australia got the heavy duty moulded rubber flaps and SA got these jokes.  Curious.
 
Les
 
----- Original Message -----
Sent: Saturday, November 29, 2008 8:03 AM
Subject: Re: [Syncro_T3_Australia] The Bus Stop Front Mudflaps

Yes, but I'm pretty sure :)

See also: http://shop. vw-winkler. de/product_ info.php/ info/p235_ Schmutzfaenger- VA-und-HA. html

.martin

On 28.11.2008, at 12:05, Les Harris wrote:

> Martin,
>
> South Africa, like Australia, is a rather rugged country and it
> seems improbable that a mudflap that is barely adequate for street
> use would be used as OE but I will post to the SyncroSA site and ask
> if they had them as standard.
>
> Les
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: Martin Henning
> To: Syncro_T3_Australia @yahoogroups. com
> Sent: Friday, November 28, 2008 10:01 PM
> Subject: Re: [Syncro_T3_Australi a] The Bus Stop Front Mudflaps
>
> Les, i think they are genuine - genuine SA mudflaps. To be mounted
> directly on the "edge" - unlike the genuine from Germany that you had
> in mind.
>
> Ciao,
>
> Martin
>
> On 28.11.2008, at 02:15, Les Harris wrote:
>
> > Try that again, this time with the attachment!
> >
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: Les Harris
> > To: Syncro_T3_Australia @yahoogroups. com
> > Sent: Friday, November 28, 2008 12:12 PM
> > Subject: [Syncro_T3_Australi a] The Bus Stop Front Mudflaps
> >
> >
> > I have just looked at the label on the packaging and it is a bit
> > ambiguous.
> >
> > Just what might the "Genuine Parts" mean?
> >
> > Les
> >
> >
> > <Mudflap Label.doc>
>
> --
> Martin Henning, DM5OY
> martin@easy2design. de
> http://log.tigerbus .de
>
>
>

--
Martin Henning, DM5OY
martin@easy2design. de
http://log.tigerbus .de

8
Actually Les, we didn't get front mud flaps at all. only the rears were standard.

Phill



> Les Harris <leslieharris@optushome.com.au> wrote:
>
> Martin,
>
> I have had a couple of replies from SA and they are in use there but
> presumably as after-market fittings.
>
> The website you nominated shows then as "Original SA Part". If this is
> correct, this prompts the question as to why Australia got the heavy
> duty moulded rubber flaps and SA got these jokes. Curious.
>
> Les
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: Martin Henning
> To: Syncro_T3_Australia@yahoogroups.com
> Sent: Saturday, November 29, 2008 8:03 AM
> Subject: Re: [Syncro_T3_Australia] The Bus Stop Front Mudflaps
>
>
> Yes, but I'm pretty sure :)
>
> See also:
> http://shop.vw-winkler.de/product_info.php/info/p235_Schmutzfaenger-VA-un
> d-HA.html
>
> .martin
>
> On 28.11.2008, at 12:05, Les Harris wrote:
>
> > Martin,
> >
> > South Africa, like Australia, is a rather rugged country and it
> > seems improbable that a mudflap that is barely adequate for street
> > use would be used as OE but I will post to the SyncroSA site and ask
>
> > if they had them as standard.
> >
> > Les
> >
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: Martin Henning
> > To: Syncro_T3_Australia@yahoogroups.com
> > Sent: Friday, November 28, 2008 10:01 PM
> > Subject: Re: [Syncro_T3_Australia] The Bus Stop Front Mudflaps
> >
> > Les, i think they are genuine - genuine SA mudflaps. To be mounted
> > directly on the "edge" - unlike the genuine from Germany that you
> had
> > in mind.
> >
> > Ciao,
> >
> > Martin
> >
> > On 28.11.2008, at 02:15, Les Harris wrote:
> >
> > > Try that again, this time with the attachment!
> > >
> > > ----- Original Message -----
> > > From: Les Harris
> > > To: Syncro_T3_Australia@yahoogroups.com
> > > Sent: Friday, November 28, 2008 12:12 PM
> > > Subject: [Syncro_T3_Australia] The Bus Stop Front Mudflaps
> > >
> > >
> > > I have just looked at the label on the packaging and it is a bit
> > > ambiguous.
> > >
> > > Just what might the "Genuine Parts" mean?
> > >
> > > Les
> > >
> > >
> > > <Mudflap Label.doc>
> >
> > --
> > Martin Henning, DM5OY
> > martin@easy2design.de
> > http://log.tigerbus.de
> >
> >
> >
>
> --
> Martin Henning, DM5OY
> martin@easy2design.de
> http://log.tigerbus.de
>
>
>
>
9
Phill,
 
I remember you telling me some time ago that they were an accessory and you commented that they were extremely expensive when you bought your new Syncro.  Mine has them and they probably appear on the original invoice, which I have somewhere.  They are of the same design, weight and material as the rears and are the only ones that I have seen on a Syncro.  Have you ever the thin plastic flaps?
 
These plastic things from The Bus Stop are just 4 mm thick.  They have a part number on them - 996 075 105 - which might be VAG.
 
I am curious to know if the thin plastic flaps were ever the only genuine accessory choice anywhere in the world.
 
Les
 
----- Original Message -----
Sent: Saturday, November 29, 2008 11:27 AM
Subject: Re: Re: [Syncro_T3_Australia] The Bus Stop Front Mudflaps

Actually Les, we didn't get front mud flaps at all. only the rears were standard.

Phill

.

10
They are not in proper VAG packaging. I bet that they are from Brazil and sold in SA.

Phill



> Les Harris <leslieharris@optushome.com.au> wrote:
>
> Phill,
>
> I remember you telling me some time ago that they were an accessory and
> you commented that they were extremely expensive when you bought your
> new Syncro. Mine has them and they probably appear on the original
> invoice, which I have somewhere. They are of the same design, weight
> and material as the rears and are the only ones that I have seen on a
> Syncro. Have you ever the thin plastic flaps?
>
> These plastic things from The Bus Stop are just 4 mm thick. They have a
> part number on them - 996 075 105 - which might be VAG.
>
> I am curious to know if the thin plastic flaps were ever the only
> genuine accessory choice anywhere in the world.
>
> Les
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: plander@optusnet.com.au
> To: Syncro_T3_Australia@yahoogroups.com
> Sent: Saturday, November 29, 2008 11:27 AM
> Subject: Re: Re: [Syncro_T3_Australia] The Bus Stop Front Mudflaps
>
>
> Actually Les, we didn't get front mud flaps at all. only the rears
> were standard.
>
> Phill
>
>
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Les,
I have just looked it up on ETKA and that is mnot a valid VAG part number.

They should be;

Mud Flap Front Left 251 821 809
Mud Flap Front right 251 821 810
Mud Flap Rear Left 251 821 811A
Mud Flap Rear Rear 251 821 812A


>>
> Phill,
>
> I. They have a
> part number on them - 996 075 105 - which might be VAG.
>
>
> Les
>
>
12
Phil,

you have to look it up in th SA catalogs... there are a few numbers
starting with 996... I only have very old microfilms, which do not
list mudflaps at all, but there are loads of numbers like this one.
"Egte onderdalen" says it all, no? Unless VAG had a secret plant under
the influence of the Netherlands :P

.martin

On 29.11.2008, at 02:58, plander@optusnet.com.au wrote:

> Les,
> I have just looked it up on ETKA and that is mnot a valid VAG
> part number.
>
> They should be;
>
> Mud Flap Front Left 251 821 809
> Mud Flap Front right 251 821 810
> Mud Flap Rear Left 251 821 811A
> Mud Flap Rear Rear 251 821 812A
>
>
>>>
>> Phill,
>>
>> I. They have a
>> part number on them - 996 075 105 - which might be VAG.
>>
>>
>> Les
>>
>>
>
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--
Martin Henning, DM5OY
martin@easy2design.de
http://log.tigerbus.de
13
Btw:

http://buncombe.main.nc.us/~emaglott/pp012/index.htm

http://www.van-cafe.com/home/van/page_293

Do they look like yours?

.m.



On 29.11.2008, at 01:49, Les Harris wrote:

> Phill,
>
> I remember you telling me some time ago that they were an accessory
> and you commented that they were extremely expensive when you bought
> your new Syncro. Mine has them and they probably appear on the
> original invoice, which I have somewhere. They are of the same
> design, weight and material as the rears and are the only ones that
> I have seen on a Syncro. Have you ever the thin plastic flaps?
>
> These plastic things from The Bus Stop are just 4 mm thick. They
> have a part number on them - 996 075 105 - which might be VAG.
>
> I am curious to know if the thin plastic flaps were ever the only
> genuine accessory choice anywhere in the world.
>
> Les
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: plander@optusnet.com.au
> To: Syncro_T3_Australia@yahoogroups.com
> Sent: Saturday, November 29, 2008 11:27 AM
> Subject: Re: Re: [Syncro_T3_Australia] The Bus Stop Front Mudflaps
>
> Actually Les, we didn't get front mud flaps at all. only the rears
> were standard.
>
> Phill
>
>
> .
>
>



--
Martin Henning, DM5OY
martin@easy2design.de
http://log.tigerbus.de
14
Martin,
 
Yes,
 
These are the plastic flaps.  This still doesn't explain how Australia came to get the heavy moulded rubber flaps.
 
Les
 
----- Original Message -----
Sent: Sunday, November 30, 2008 12:12 AM
Subject: Re: [Syncro_T3_Australia] The Bus Stop Front Mudflaps

Btw:

http://buncombe. main.nc.us/ ~emaglott/ pp012/index. htm

http://www.van- cafe.com/ home/van/ page_293

Do they look like yours?

.m.

On 29.11.2008, at 01:49, Les Harris wrote:

> Phill,
>
> I remember you telling me some time ago that they were an accessory
> and you commented that they were extremely expensive when you bought
> your new Syncro. Mine has them and they probably appear on the
> original invoice, which I have somewhere. They are of the same
> design, weight and material as the rears and are the only ones that
> I have seen on a Syncro. Have you ever the thin plastic flaps?
>
> These plastic things from The Bus Stop are just 4 mm thick. They
> have a part number on them - 996 075 105 - which might be VAG.
>
> I am curious to know if the thin plastic flaps were ever the only
> genuine accessory choice anywhere in the world.
>
> Les
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: plander@optusnet. com.au
> To: Syncro_T3_Australia @yahoogroups. com
> Sent: Saturday, November 29, 2008 11:27 AM
> Subject: Re: Re: [Syncro_T3_Australi a] The Bus Stop Front Mudflaps
>
> Actually Les, we didn't get front mud flaps at all. only the rears
> were standard.
>
> Phill
>
>
> .
>
>

--
Martin Henning, DM5OY
martin@easy2design. de
http://log.tigerbus .de

15
On Sat, Nov 29, 2008 at 1:07 PM, Les Harris <leslieharris@optushome.com.au> wrote:
Martin,
 
Yes,
 
These are the plastic flaps.  This still doesn't explain how Australia came to get the heavy moulded rubber flaps.
 
Les
 
 
Les,
 
The heavy partially moulded rubber mudflaps were also available in SA. The plastic ones came later.
 
 
BenT
16
>
> These are the plastic flaps. This still doesn't explain how Australia
> came to get the heavy moulded rubber flaps.
>
> Les

We got the world flaps. The same ones that were sold in Europe, USA, UK etc.

(Check it out on your ETKA)


The SA flaps (if they were genuine VWSA) would only be sold in SA. The SA flaps would have been made for 2WD vans that SA built and not syncros.
17

Les,

These links below show what may well be original or equivalent rubber mudflaps. Rear flaps are those mounted some 20cm back from rear wheel arch, not AT the rear wheel arch as with the SA plastic flaps. Not sure how the front flaps could be fitted if the mounts are not already in place. Once again, speaking German would be a benefit or use Google translator.

Rear flaps:

http://www.kaefer-co.de/index.php?view=details&path=0.191.192.&size=large&id=2512

http://www.kaefer-co.de/index.php?view=details&path=0.191.192.&size=large&id=2513

Front flaps:

http://www.kaefer-co.de/index.php?view=details&path=0.191.192.&size=large&id=2510

http://www.kaefer-co.de/index.php?view=details&path=0.191.192.&size=large&id=2511

Cheers.

Ken


--- In Syncro_T3_Australia@yahoogroups.com, "Les Harris" <leslieharris@...> wrote:
>
> Martin,
>
> Yes,
>
> These are the plastic flaps. This still doesn't explain how Australia came to get the heavy moulded rubber flaps.
>
> Les
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: Martin Henning
> To: Syncro_T3_Australia@yahoogroups.com
> Sent: Sunday, November 30, 2008 12:12 AM
> Subject: Re: [Syncro_T3_Australia] The Bus Stop Front Mudflaps
>
>
> Btw:
>
> http://buncombe.main.nc.us/~emaglott/pp012/index.htm
>
> http://www.van-cafe.com/home/van/page_293
>
> Do they look like yours?
>
> .m.
>
> On 29.11.2008, at 01:49, Les Harris wrote:
>
> > Phill,
> >
> > I remember you telling me some time ago that they were an accessory
> > and you commented that they were extremely expensive when you bought
> > your new Syncro. Mine has them and they probably appear on the
> > original invoice, which I have somewhere. They are of the same
> > design, weight and material as the rears and are the only ones that
> > I have seen on a Syncro. Have you ever the thin plastic flaps?
> >
> > These plastic things from The Bus Stop are just 4 mm thick. They
> > have a part number on them - 996 075 105 - which might be VAG.
> >
> > I am curious to know if the thin plastic flaps were ever the only
> > genuine accessory choice anywhere in the world.
> >
> > Les
> >
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: plander@...
> > To: Syncro_T3_Australia@yahoogroups.com
> > Sent: Saturday, November 29, 2008 11:27 AM
> > Subject: Re: Re: [Syncro_T3_Australia] The Bus Stop Front Mudflaps
> >
> > Actually Les, we didn't get front mud flaps at all. only the rears
> > were standard.
> >
> > Phill
> >
> >
> > .
> >
> >
>
> --
> Martin Henning, DM5OY
> martin@...
> http://log.tigerbus.de
>

18
Ken,
 
Bang on.  These are the mudflaps that I have and the only mudflaps that I have seen fitted to Australian Syncros.
 
The plastic flaps are attached by spring clips to the wheel arch itself.  One wonders how secure they would be if the vehicle hit something. 
See following URL(sent by Martin Henning):
 
What has had me confused is the use of "genuine".  Genuine they might be, but original they are not.
 
Les
 
----- Original Message -----
From: Ken
Sent: Sunday, November 30, 2008 2:13 PM
Subject: [Syncro_T3_Australia] Re: The Bus Stop Front Mudflaps

Les,

These links below show what may well be original or equivalent rubber mudflaps. Rear flaps are those mounted some 20cm back from rear wheel arch, not AT the rear wheel arch as with the SA plastic flaps. Not sure how the front flaps could be fitted if the mounts are not already in place. Once again, speaking German would be a benefit or use Google translator.

Rear flaps:

http://www.kaefer- co.de/index. php?view= details&path=0.191.192.&size=large&id=2512

http://www.kaefer- co.de/index. php?view= details&path=0.191.192.&size=large&id=2513

Front flaps:

http://www.kaefer- co.de/index. php?view= details&path=0.191.192.&size=large&id=2510

http://www.kaefer- co.de/index. php?view= details&path=0.191.192.&size=large&id=2511

Cheers.

Ken


.

19
Good find Ken.
These look like genuine VW.

Rear Left
104571 Schmutzf�nger mit Halter hinten links 39,50

Rear Right
104570 Schmutzf�nger mit Halter hinten rechts 39,50

Front Left
1798 Schmutzf�nger mit Halter vorne links 34,75

Set of Front & Rear
2485 Satz Schmutzf�nger vorne und hinten 145,50

Front Right
1799 Schmutzf�nger mit Halter vorne rechts 34,75


Has anyone asked a dealer to see if they are still available through VW Australia?
20
> What has had me confused is the use of "genuine". Genuine they might
> be, but original they are not.
>

Les,
Genuine VWSA is different to genuine VAG. It would be like buying a part for your Cheverolet from Holden. They are not always the same. There are not many parts that you get in a German dealer that are made in SA.

Phill