Van won't start . Now will.

Last night my van would not start. It cranked over quickly with a very
healthy battery but no sign of firing. So i read through recent posts
about "won't start" and used Peters tips about cleaning the various
earths. Cleaned and lubricated the earth on the digifant under the seat
and presto, instant starting. Thanks to this terrific resource i'm back
on the road. No way i would have looked at this seemingly insignificant
little earth wire under the seat. Thanks Bill
There's something that I should have mentioned when this subject came up.
 
The earth path, as Bill has found, is important but it is equally important to make sure that it remains an earth path.  Bare metal to bare metal always produces the best path but it doesn't stay that way for long because it will rust.
 
I have always used bare metal but coat it well with petroleum jelly - good old Vaseline - and it remains a good conductor.  Even when exposed to high heat, it seals the surface off from the atmospheric oxygen and moisture, which is what causes the rust.  I carry a small container of it in my on-board toolkit.  It is an old tablet container, about 50 mm long and about 20 mm diameter.  That quantity will last a very long time for battery terminals and the occasional bolt thread, including wheel nuts.  For a long time, I carried an old lipstick tube of it in the toolbox.
 
Les
 
 
----- Original Message -----
From: muddy3267
Sent: Saturday, January 03, 2009 3:25 PM
Subject: [Syncro_T3_Australia] Van won't start . Now will.

Last night my van would not start. It cranked over quickly with a very
healthy battery but no sign of firing. So i read through recent posts
about "won't start" and used Peters tips about cleaning the various
earths. Cleaned and lubricated the earth on the digifant under the seat
and presto, instant starting. Thanks to this terrific resource i'm back
on the road. No way i would have looked at this seemingly insignificant
little earth wire under the seat. Thanks Bill

Message
..... BUT my story is a little different:
 
When I'll return to OZ on Tuesday night from NZ, I am facing a problem with my TRISTAR DC Syncro. It won't start. I had to push it into the shed before I left.
 
SYMPTOMS:
It cranks over - just -
Sometimes it stops on a TDC and I try again. It has done this for a long time but now it won't even do that anymore and is DEAD.
 
I HAVE DONE:
Cleaned all connections
Overhauled starter motor
Bought new battery (replaced my preferred Odessey battery)
Run a welding cable 70mm2 from battery neg. to gearbox
Installed new solenoid
Knocking the solenoid with an iron bar helped for a while - but this option ALSO no longer worx
 
QUESTIONS:
Does the ignition switch (the red and black wire - 51 I think) get it's power via any relays?
I can't figure this out in the Bentleys?????
 
Anyone out there able to shed some light on this drama or is my beloved truck trying to tell me something (after I spent my wife's inheritance on the gearbox???????)
 
Cheers
Hartmut
 
P.S.I AM NOT MAKING ANY COMMENT ON THIS STORY ANYMORE......Elke
.
 
 
-----Original Message-----
From: Syncro_T3_Australia@yahoogroups.com [mailto:Syncro_T3_Australia@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of muddy3267
Sent: Saturday, January 03, 2009 3:26 PM
To: Syncro_T3_Australia@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [Syncro_T3_Australia] Van won't start . Now will.

Last night my van would not start. It cranked over quickly with a very
healthy battery but no sign of firing. So i read through recent posts
about "won't start" and used Peters tips about cleaning the various
earths. Cleaned and lubricated the earth on the digifant under the seat
and presto, instant starting. Thanks to this terrific resource i'm back
on the road. No way i would have looked at this seemingly insignificant
little earth wire under the seat. Thanks Bill

Hartmut,

 

It seems you have addressed all the possible electric problems with extra upgrades also.  You may however have a badly worn brass bush in the bell housing which holds the starter motor pinion.  Such excessive ware  can cause the armature to rub on the field coil cores resulting with much friction. The starter would become very sluggish and ultimately not turn over at all.  This bush should be replaced whenever a new/overhauled starter is installed. It is a small item but could be the vital cause of your problem.

 

Regards

Yurik

 

 

 

From: Syncro_T3_Australia@yahoogroups.com [mailto:Syncro_T3_Australia@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Elke Kiehn
Sent: Saturday, 3 January 2009 1:57 PM
To: Syncro_T3_Australia@yahoogroups.com
Subject: RE: [Syncro_T3_Australia]MY TRUCK WON'T START EITHER

 

..... BUT my story is a little different:

 

When I'll return to OZ on Tuesday night from NZ, I am facing a problem with my TRISTAR DC Syncro. It won't start. I had to push it into the shed before I left.

 

SYMPTOMS:

It cranks over - just -

Sometimes it stops on a TDC and I try again. It has done this for a long time but now it won't even do that anymore and is DEAD.

 

I HAVE DONE:

Cleaned all connections

Overhauled starter motor

Bought new battery (replaced my preferred Odessey battery)

Run a welding cable 70mm2 from battery neg. to gearbox

Installed new solenoid

Knocking the solenoid with an iron bar helped for a while - but this option ALSO no longer worx

 

QUESTIONS:

Does the ignition switch (the red and black wire - 51 I think) get it's power via any relays?

I can't figure this out in the Bentleys?????

 

Anyone out there able to shed some light on this drama or is my beloved truck trying to tell me something (after I spent my wife's inheritance on the gearbox???????)

 

Cheers

Hartmut

 

P.S.I AM NOT MAKING ANY COMMENT ON THIS STORY ANYMORE......Elke

.

 

 

-----Original Message-----
From: Syncro_T3_Australia@yahoogroups.com [mailto:Syncro_T3_Australia@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of muddy3267
Sent: Saturday, January 03, 2009 3:26 PM
To: Syncro_T3_Australia@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [Syncro_T3_Australia] Van won't start . Now will.

Last night my van would not start. It cranked over quickly with a very
healthy battery but no sign of firing. So i read through recent posts
about "won't start" and used Peters tips about cleaning the various
earths. Cleaned and lubricated the earth on the digifant under the seat
and presto, instant starting. Thanks to this terrific resource i'm back
on the road. No way i would have looked at this seemingly insignificant
little earth wire under the seat. Thanks Bill

Message
Thanks so much Yurik - what a great thought. I will take the starter out when I come home and check the armature but will most definitely replace the bush. At least that is something I had not done!!!! And who knows I might then have to add to to my "DONE list.
 
Cheers
Hartmut
 
 
.-----Original Message-----
From: Syncro_T3_Australia@yahoogroups.com [mailto:Syncro_T3_Australia@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Yurik Orlowsky
Sent: Saturday, January 03, 2009 5:19 PM
To: Syncro_T3_Australia@yahoogroups.com
Subject: RE: [Syncro_T3_Australia]MY TRUCK WON'T START EITHER

Hartmut,

It seems you have addressed all the possible electric problems with extra upgrades also.  You may however have a badly worn brass bush in the bell housing which holds the starter motor pinion.  Such excessive ware  can cause the armature to rub on the field coil cores resulting with much friction. The starter would become very sluggish and ultimately not turn over at all.  This bush should be replaced whenever a new/overhauled starter is installed. It is a small item but could be the vital cause of your problem.

Regards

Yurik

From: Syncro_T3_Australia @yahoogroups. com [mailto:Syncro_ T3_Australia@ yahoogroups. com] On Behalf Of Elke Kiehn
Sent: Saturday, 3 January 2009 1:57 PM
To: Syncro_T3_Australia @yahoogroups. com
Subject: RE: [Syncro_T3_Australi a]MY TRUCK WON'T START EITHER

..... BUT my story is a little different:

When I'll return to OZ on Tuesday night from NZ, I am facing a problem with my TRISTAR DC Syncro. It won't start. I had to push it into the shed before I left.

SYMPTOMS:

It cranks over - just -

Sometimes it stops on a TDC and I try again. It has done this for a long time but now it won't even do that anymore and is DEAD.

I HAVE DONE:

Cleaned all connections

Overhauled starter motor

Bought new battery (replaced my preferred Odessey battery)

Run a welding cable 70mm2 from battery neg. to gearbox

Installed new solenoid

Knocking the solenoid with an iron bar helped for a while - but this option ALSO no longer worx

QUESTIONS:

Does the ignition switch (the red and black wire - 51 I think) get it's power via any relays?

I can't figure this out in the Bentleys???? ?

Anyone out there able to shed some light on this drama or is my beloved truck trying to tell me something (after I spent my wife's inheritance on the gearbox????? ??)

Cheers

Hartmut

P.S.I AM NOT MAKING ANY COMMENT ON THIS STORY ANYMORE..... .Elke

.

-----Original Message-----
From: Syncro_T3_Australia @yahoogroups. com [mailto:Syncro_ T3_Australia@ yahoogroups. com] On Behalf Of muddy3267
Sent: Saturday, January 03, 2009 3:26 PM
To: Syncro_T3_Australia @yahoogroups. com
Subject: [Syncro_T3_Australi a] Van won't start . Now will.

Last night my van would not start. It cranked over quickly with a very
healthy battery but no sign of firing. So i read through recent posts
about "won't start" and used Peters tips about cleaning the various
earths. Cleaned and lubricated the earth on the digifant under the seat
and presto, instant starting. Thanks to this terrific resource i'm back
on the road. No way i would have looked at this seemingly insignificant
little earth wire under the seat. Thanks Bill

Van wont start. Now will. now won't. Now will. It seems i have an
intermittent problem. I TOOK THE VAN FOR A TEST RUN AND ALL OK UNTIL I
STOPPED IT UP THE STREET and then it wouldn"t start. The nrma came and
tested pulse at injectors and spark not working. While he was doing
this i was taking the cover off the Digifant(under the back seat). We
tried again before i had a chance to remove and clean the earth
terminal. It started good as gold. Is it possible just disturbing the
digifant restored power or just a coincidence. Any ideas on what would
cause both lack of spark and pulse at injectors? Bill
> Does the ignition switch (the red and black wire - 51 I think) get it's
> power via any relays?
> I can't figure this out in the Bentleys?????

No straight to the stater.

How's your ignition switch?

Phill
Message
Thanks Phill and the ignition switch is only 12 months old.
Hartmut
-----Original Message-----
From: Syncro_T3_Australia@yahoogroups.com [mailto:Syncro_T3_Australia@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of plander@optusnet.com.au
Sent: Saturday, January 03, 2009 7:01 PM
To: Syncro_T3_Australia@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: RE: [Syncro_T3_Australia]MY TRUCK WON'T START EITHER


> Does the ignition switch (the red and black wire - 51 I think) get it's
> power via any relays?
> I can't figure this out in the Bentleys???? ?

No straight to the stater.

How's your ignition switch?

Phill

Gday Yurik,

Just having a look now at the syncro starter motor exploded parts
diagram in ETKA.

Is the bush you are referring to the one indicated at position 11a
located in the starter drive housing at position 11?

If so, is that drive housing the integrated end of the starter motor
that drops out when you unbolt it from its position?

I'm asking this because if that end drive housing does form an integral
part and it does contain the bush you speak of, then in my case, I'm
assuming that part would routinely be replaced by an experienced
refurbisher of starter motors such as an auto electrician. I know my
auto electrician, who refurbished my starter motor a couple of years
ago, stated he'd refurbished so many Bosch starter motors during his
working life, can just about do them blindfold.

However if the bush you speak about is not the one in the starter motor
housing itself, then no, I also would have missed replacing that bronze
bush either when I removed the starter motor for refurbishment by the
auto electrician. Could you please clarify this Yurik. TIA.

Cheers.

Ken
--- In Syncro_T3_Australia@yahoogroups.com, "Yurik Orlowsky"
<yuriko@...> wrote:
>
> Hartmut,
>
>
>
> It seems you have addressed all the possible electric problems with
extra
> upgrades also. You may however have a badly worn brass bush in the
bell
> housing which holds the starter motor pinion. Such excessive ware can
> cause the armature to rub on the field coil cores resulting with much
> friction. The starter would become very sluggish and ultimately not
turn
> over at all. This bush should be replaced whenever a new/overhauled
starter
> is installed. It is a small item but could be the vital cause of your
> problem.
>
>
>
> Regards
>
> Yurik
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> From: Syncro_T3_Australia@yahoogroups.com
> [mailto:Syncro_T3_Australia@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Elke Kiehn
> Sent: Saturday, 3 January 2009 1:57 PM
> To: Syncro_T3_Australia@yahoogroups.com
> Subject: RE: [Syncro_T3_Australia]MY TRUCK WON'T START EITHER
>
>
>
> ..... BUT my story is a little different:
>
>
>
> When I'll return to OZ on Tuesday night from NZ, I am facing a problem
with
> my TRISTAR DC Syncro. It won't start. I had to push it into the shed
before
> I left.
>
>
>
> SYMPTOMS:
>
> It cranks over - just -
>
> Sometimes it stops on a TDC and I try again. It has done this for a
long
> time but now it won't even do that anymore and is DEAD.
>
>
>
> I HAVE DONE:
>
> Cleaned all connections
>
> Overhauled starter motor
>
> Bought new battery (replaced my preferred Odessey battery)
>
> Run a welding cable 70mm2 from battery neg. to gearbox
>
> Installed new solenoid
>
> Knocking the solenoid with an iron bar helped for a while - but this
option
> ALSO no longer worx
>
>
>
> QUESTIONS:
>
> Does the ignition switch (the red and black wire - 51 I think) get
it's
> power via any relays?
>
> I can't figure this out in the Bentleys?????
>
>
>
> Anyone out there able to shed some light on this drama or is my
beloved
> truck trying to tell me something (after I spent my wife's inheritance
on
> the gearbox???????)
>
>
>
> Cheers
>
> Hartmut
>
>
>
> P.S.I AM NOT MAKING ANY COMMENT ON THIS STORY ANYMORE......Elke
>
> .
>
>
>
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Syncro_T3_Australia@yahoogroups.com
> [mailto:Syncro_T3_Australia@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of muddy3267
> Sent: Saturday, January 03, 2009 3:26 PM
> To: Syncro_T3_Australia@yahoogroups.com
> Subject: [Syncro_T3_Australia] Van won't start . Now will.
>
> Last night my van would not start. It cranked over quickly with a very
> healthy battery but no sign of firing. So i read through recent posts
> about "won't start" and used Peters tips about cleaning the various
> earths. Cleaned and lubricated the earth on the digifant under the
seat
> and presto, instant starting. Thanks to this terrific resource i'm
back
> on the road. No way i would have looked at this seemingly
insignificant
> little earth wire under the seat. Thanks Bill
>
If you buy a starter from a VW workshop it comes with the bush tied to the starter. This happens a lot, people reco the starter and dont replace the bush in the gearbox housing.

Phill



> Ken <unclekenz@yahoo.com> wrote:
>
>
> Gday Yurik,
>
> Just having a look now at the syncro starter motor exploded parts
> diagram in ETKA.
>
> Is the bush you are referring to the one indicated at position 11a
> located in the starter drive housing at position 11?
>
> If so, is that drive housing the integrated end of the starter motor
> that drops out when you unbolt it from its position?
>
> I'm asking this because if that end drive housing does form an integral
> part and it does contain the bush you speak of, then in my case, I'm
> assuming that part would routinely be replaced by an experienced
> refurbisher of starter motors such as an auto electrician. I know my
> auto electrician, who refurbished my starter motor a couple of years
> ago, stated he'd refurbished so many Bosch starter motors during his
> working life, can just about do them blindfold.
>
> However if the bush you speak about is not the one in the starter motor
> housing itself, then no, I also would have missed replacing that bronze
> bush either when I removed the starter motor for refurbishment by the
> auto electrician. Could you please clarify this Yurik. TIA.
>
> Cheers.
>
> Ken
> --- In Syncro_T3_Australia@yahoogroups.com, "Yurik Orlowsky"
> <yuriko@...> wrote:
> >
> > Hartmut,
> >
> >
> >
> > It seems you have addressed all the possible electric problems with
> extra
> > upgrades also. You may however have a badly worn brass bush in the
> bell
> > housing which holds the starter motor pinion. Such excessive ware can
> > cause the armature to rub on the field coil cores resulting with much
> > friction. The starter would become very sluggish and ultimately not
> turn
> > over at all. This bush should be replaced whenever a new/overhauled
> starter
> > is installed. It is a small item but could be the vital cause of your
> > problem.
> >
> >
> >
> > Regards
> >
> > Yurik
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > From: Syncro_T3_Australia@yahoogroups.com
> > [mailto:Syncro_T3_Australia@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Elke Kiehn
> > Sent: Saturday, 3 January 2009 1:57 PM
> > To: Syncro_T3_Australia@yahoogroups.com
> > Subject: RE: [Syncro_T3_Australia]MY TRUCK WON'T START EITHER
> >
> >
> >
> > ..... BUT my story is a little different:
> >
> >
> >
> > When I'll return to OZ on Tuesday night from NZ, I am facing a problem
> with
> > my TRISTAR DC Syncro. It won't start. I had to push it into the shed
> before
> > I left.
> >
> >
> >
> > SYMPTOMS:
> >
> > It cranks over - just -
> >
> > Sometimes it stops on a TDC and I try again. It has done this for a
> long
> > time but now it won't even do that anymore and is DEAD.
> >
> >
> >
> > I HAVE DONE:
> >
> > Cleaned all connections
> >
> > Overhauled starter motor
> >
> > Bought new battery (replaced my preferred Odessey battery)
> >
> > Run a welding cable 70mm2 from battery neg. to gearbox
> >
> > Installed new solenoid
> >
> > Knocking the solenoid with an iron bar helped for a while - but this
> option
> > ALSO no longer worx
> >
> >
> >
> > QUESTIONS:
> >
> > Does the ignition switch (the red and black wire - 51 I think) get
> it's
> > power via any relays?
> >
> > I can't figure this out in the Bentleys?????
> >
> >
> >
> > Anyone out there able to shed some light on this drama or is my
> beloved
> > truck trying to tell me something (after I spent my wife's inheritance
> on
> > the gearbox???????)
> >
> >
> >
> > Cheers
> >
> > Hartmut
> >
> >
> >
> > P.S.I AM NOT MAKING ANY COMMENT ON THIS STORY ANYMORE......Elke
> >
> > .
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: Syncro_T3_Australia@yahoogroups.com
> > [mailto:Syncro_T3_Australia@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of muddy3267
> > Sent: Saturday, January 03, 2009 3:26 PM
> > To: Syncro_T3_Australia@yahoogroups.com
> > Subject: [Syncro_T3_Australia] Van won't start . Now will.
> >
> > Last night my van would not start. It cranked over quickly with a very
> > healthy battery but no sign of firing. So i read through recent posts
> > about "won't start" and used Peters tips about cleaning the various
> > earths. Cleaned and lubricated the earth on the digifant under the
> seat
> > and presto, instant starting. Thanks to this terrific resource i'm
> back
> > on the road. No way i would have looked at this seemingly
> insignificant
> > little earth wire under the seat. Thanks Bill
> >
Ok Phil, looks like you've answered my question to Yurik. Then I guess
the bronze bushing is listed elsewhere in ETKA, not as part of the
starter motor exploded view. Probably wherever the bell housing is.

I better cross my fingers then. Touch wood, at the moment, my starter is
working just fine.

There is just NO WAY I'm going to tackle yet again the removal of the
starter motor any time soon just to replace that bronze bush .... what a
nightmare all that procedure is! Once bitten, twice shy.

Ken


--- In Syncro_T3_Australia@yahoogroups.com, plander@... wrote:
>
> If you buy a starter from a VW workshop it comes with the bush tied to
the starter. This happens a lot, people reco the starter and dont
replace the bush in the gearbox housing.
>
> Phill
>
>
>
> > Ken unclekenz@... wrote:
> >
> >
> > Gday Yurik,
> >
> > Just having a look now at the syncro starter motor exploded parts
> > diagram in ETKA.
> >
> > Is the bush you are referring to the one indicated at position 11a
> > located in the starter drive housing at position 11?
> >
> > If so, is that drive housing the integrated end of the starter motor
> > that drops out when you unbolt it from its position?
> >
> > I'm asking this because if that end drive housing does form an
integral
> > part and it does contain the bush you speak of, then in my case, I'm
> > assuming that part would routinely be replaced by an experienced
> > refurbisher of starter motors such as an auto electrician. I know my
> > auto electrician, who refurbished my starter motor a couple of years
> > ago, stated he'd refurbished so many Bosch starter motors during his
> > working life, can just about do them blindfold.
> >
> > However if the bush you speak about is not the one in the starter
motor
> > housing itself, then no, I also would have missed replacing that
bronze
> > bush either when I removed the starter motor for refurbishment by
the
> > auto electrician. Could you please clarify this Yurik. TIA.
> >
> > Cheers.
> >
> > Ken
> > --- In Syncro_T3_Australia@yahoogroups.com, "Yurik Orlowsky"
> > yuriko@ wrote:
> > >
> > > Hartmut,
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > It seems you have addressed all the possible electric problems
with
> > extra
> > > upgrades also. You may however have a badly worn brass bush in the
> > bell
> > > housing which holds the starter motor pinion. Such excessive ware
can
> > > cause the armature to rub on the field coil cores resulting with
much
> > > friction. The starter would become very sluggish and ultimately
not
> > turn
> > > over at all. This bush should be replaced whenever a
new/overhauled
> > starter
> > > is installed. It is a small item but could be the vital cause of
your
> > > problem.
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > Regards
> > >
> > > Yurik
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > From: Syncro_T3_Australia@yahoogroups.com
> > > [mailto:Syncro_T3_Australia@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Elke
Kiehn
> > > Sent: Saturday, 3 January 2009 1:57 PM
> > > To: Syncro_T3_Australia@yahoogroups.com
> > > Subject: RE: [Syncro_T3_Australia]MY TRUCK WON'T START EITHER
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > ..... BUT my story is a little different:
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > When I'll return to OZ on Tuesday night from NZ, I am facing a
problem
> > with
> > > my TRISTAR DC Syncro. It won't start. I had to push it into the
shed
> > before
> > > I left.
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > SYMPTOMS:
> > >
> > > It cranks over - just -
> > >
> > > Sometimes it stops on a TDC and I try again. It has done this for
a
> > long
> > > time but now it won't even do that anymore and is DEAD.
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > I HAVE DONE:
> > >
> > > Cleaned all connections
> > >
> > > Overhauled starter motor
> > >
> > > Bought new battery (replaced my preferred Odessey battery)
> > >
> > > Run a welding cable 70mm2 from battery neg. to gearbox
> > >
> > > Installed new solenoid
> > >
> > > Knocking the solenoid with an iron bar helped for a while - but
this
> > option
> > > ALSO no longer worx
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > QUESTIONS:
> > >
> > > Does the ignition switch (the red and black wire - 51 I think) get
> > it's
> > > power via any relays?
> > >
> > > I can't figure this out in the Bentleys?????
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > Anyone out there able to shed some light on this drama or is my
> > beloved
> > > truck trying to tell me something (after I spent my wife's
inheritance
> > on
> > > the gearbox???????)
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > Cheers
> > >
> > > Hartmut
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > P.S.I AM NOT MAKING ANY COMMENT ON THIS STORY ANYMORE......Elke
> > >
> > > .
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > -----Original Message-----
> > > From: Syncro_T3_Australia@yahoogroups.com
> > > [mailto:Syncro_T3_Australia@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of
muddy3267
> > > Sent: Saturday, January 03, 2009 3:26 PM
> > > To: Syncro_T3_Australia@yahoogroups.com
> > > Subject: [Syncro_T3_Australia] Van won't start . Now will.
> > >
> > > Last night my van would not start. It cranked over quickly with a
very
> > > healthy battery but no sign of firing. So i read through recent
posts
> > > about "won't start" and used Peters tips about cleaning the
various
> > > earths. Cleaned and lubricated the earth on the digifant under the
> > seat
> > > and presto, instant starting. Thanks to this terrific resource i'm
> > back
> > > on the road. No way i would have looked at this seemingly
> > insignificant
> > > little earth wire under the seat. Thanks Bill
> > >
>

Ken,

 

Yes Phil has answered your question. Your reference 11a in EKTA is correct but it’s not an integral part of the drive housing.  It is shown also again as part of  the transmission bell housing (Group 3 Transmission Illustration 42-10, No 14), the same part number 113 301 155. It provides the bearing for the end of the starter pinion which would otherwise be free floating as it is when the starter is removed.

Generally this bush last for many years and in your case it is probably ok for many more years. I would leave it as it is but should you ever have the starter motor out again, it would be the right time to replace it!

 

Regards

Yurik

 

From: Syncro_T3_Australia@yahoogroups.com [mailto:Syncro_T3_Australia@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Ken
Sent: Saturday, 3 January 2009 6:03 PM
To: Syncro_T3_Australia@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [Syncro_T3_Australia]MY TRUCK WON'T START EITHER

 


Gday Yurik,

Just having a look now at the syncro starter motor exploded parts
diagram in ETKA.

Is the bush you are referring to the one indicated at position 11a
located in the starter drive housing at position 11?

If so, is that drive housing the integrated end of the starter motor
that drops out when you unbolt it from its position?

I'm asking this because if that end drive housing does form an integral
part and it does contain the bush you speak of, then in my case, I'm
assuming that part would routinely be replaced by an experienced
refurbisher of starter motors such as an auto electrician. I know my
auto electrician, who refurbished my starter motor a couple of years
ago, stated he'd refurbished so many Bosch starter motors during his
working life, can just about do them blindfold.

However if the bush you speak about is not the one in the starter motor
housing itself, then no, I also would have missed replacing that bronze
bush either when I removed the starter motor for refurbishment by the
auto electrician. Could you please clarify this Yurik. TIA.

Cheers.

Ken
--- In Syncro_T3_Australia@yahoogroups.com, "Yurik Orlowsky"
<yuriko@...> wrote:

>
> Hartmut,
>
>
>
> It seems you have addressed all the possible electric problems with
extra
> upgrades also. You may however have a badly worn brass bush in the
bell
> housing which holds the starter motor pinion. Such excessive ware can
> cause the armature to rub on the field coil cores resulting with much
> friction. The starter would become very sluggish and ultimately not
turn
> over at all. This bush should be replaced whenever a new/overhauled
starter
> is installed. It is a small item but could be the vital cause of your
> problem.
>
>
>
> Regards
>
> Yurik
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> From: Syncro_T3_Australia@yahoogroups.com
> [mailto:Syncro_T3_Australia@yahoogroups.com]
On Behalf Of Elke Kiehn
> Sent: Saturday, 3 January 2009 1:57 PM
> To: Syncro_T3_Australia@yahoogroups.com
> Subject: RE: [Syncro_T3_Australia]MY TRUCK WON'T START EITHER
>
>
>
> ..... BUT my story is a little different:
>
>
>
> When I'll return to OZ on Tuesday night from NZ, I am facing a problem
with
> my TRISTAR DC Syncro. It won't start. I had to push it into the shed
before
> I left.
>
>
>
> SYMPTOMS:
>
> It cranks over - just -
>
> Sometimes it stops on a TDC and I try again. It has done this for a
long
> time but now it won't even do that anymore and is DEAD.
>
>
>
> I HAVE DONE:
>
> Cleaned all connections
>
> Overhauled starter motor
>
> Bought new battery (replaced my preferred Odessey battery)
>
> Run a welding cable 70mm2 from battery neg. to gearbox
>
> Installed new solenoid
>
> Knocking the solenoid with an iron bar helped for a while - but this
option
> ALSO no longer worx
>
>
>
> QUESTIONS:
>
> Does the ignition switch (the red and black wire - 51 I think) get
it's
> power via any relays?
>
> I can't figure this out in the Bentleys?????
>
>
>
> Anyone out there able to shed some light on this drama or is my
beloved
> truck trying to tell me something (after I spent my wife's inheritance
on
> the gearbox???????)
>
>
>
> Cheers
>
> Hartmut
>
>
>
> P.S.I AM NOT MAKING ANY COMMENT ON THIS STORY ANYMORE......Elke
>
> .
>
>
>
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Syncro_T3_Australia@yahoogroups.com
> [mailto:Syncro_T3_Australia@yahoogroups.com]
On Behalf Of muddy3267
> Sent: Saturday, January 03, 2009 3:26 PM
> To: Syncro_T3_Australia@yahoogroups.com
> Subject: [Syncro_T3_Australia] Van won't start . Now will.
>
> Last night my van would not start. It cranked over quickly with a very
> healthy battery but no sign of firing. So i read through recent posts
> about "won't start" and used Peters tips about cleaning the
various
> earths. Cleaned and lubricated the earth on the digifant under the
seat
> and presto, instant starting. Thanks to this terrific resource i'm
back
> on the road. No way i would have looked at this seemingly
insignificant
> little earth wire under the seat. Thanks Bill
>

A problem with this bush is when people change the starter motor, they grease the shaft/bush. This is a bronze bush which needs to be oiled. Grease kills it real quick! A friend of mine was changing the bush yearly on his Kombi until told him not to grease. He never changed it again.



> Ken <unclekenz@yahoo.com> wrote:
>
>
> Ok Phil, looks like you've answered my question to Yurik. Then I guess
> the bronze bushing is listed elsewhere in ETKA, not as part of the
> starter motor exploded view. Probably wherever the bell housing is.
>
> I better cross my fingers then. Touch wood, at the moment, my starter is
> working just fine.
>
> There is just NO WAY I'm going to tackle yet again the removal of the
> starter motor any time soon just to replace that bronze bush .... what a
> nightmare all that procedure is! Once bitten, twice shy.
>
> Ken
>
>
> --- In Syncro_T3_Australia@yahoogroups.com, plander@... wrote:
> >
> > If you buy a starter from a VW workshop it comes with the bush tied to
> the starter. This happens a lot, people reco the starter and dont
> replace the bush in the gearbox housing.
> >
> > Phill
> >
> >
> >
> > > Ken unclekenz@... wrote:
> > >
> > >
> > > Gday Yurik,
> > >
> > > Just having a look now at the syncro starter motor exploded parts
> > > diagram in ETKA.
> > >
> > > Is the bush you are referring to the one indicated at position 11a
> > > located in the starter drive housing at position 11?
> > >
> > > If so, is that drive housing the integrated end of the starter motor
> > > that drops out when you unbolt it from its position?
> > >
> > > I'm asking this because if that end drive housing does form an
> integral
> > > part and it does contain the bush you speak of, then in my case, I'm
> > > assuming that part would routinely be replaced by an experienced
> > > refurbisher of starter motors such as an auto electrician. I know my
> > > auto electrician, who refurbished my starter motor a couple of years
> > > ago, stated he'd refurbished so many Bosch starter motors during his
> > > working life, can just about do them blindfold.
> > >
> > > However if the bush you speak about is not the one in the starter
> motor
> > > housing itself, then no, I also would have missed replacing that
> bronze
> > > bush either when I removed the starter motor for refurbishment by
> the
> > > auto electrician. Could you please clarify this Yurik. TIA.
> > >
> > > Cheers.
> > >
> > > Ken
> > > --- In Syncro_T3_Australia@yahoogroups.com, "Yurik Orlowsky"
> > > yuriko@ wrote:
> > > >
> > > > Hartmut,
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > It seems you have addressed all the possible electric problems
> with
> > > extra
> > > > upgrades also. You may however have a badly worn brass bush in the
> > > bell
> > > > housing which holds the starter motor pinion. Such excessive ware
> can
> > > > cause the armature to rub on the field coil cores resulting with
> much
> > > > friction. The starter would become very sluggish and ultimately
> not
> > > turn
> > > > over at all. This bush should be replaced whenever a
> new/overhauled
> > > starter
> > > > is installed. It is a small item but could be the vital cause of
> your
> > > > problem.
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > Regards
> > > >
> > > > Yurik
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > From: Syncro_T3_Australia@yahoogroups.com
> > > > [mailto:Syncro_T3_Australia@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Elke
> Kiehn
> > > > Sent: Saturday, 3 January 2009 1:57 PM
> > > > To: Syncro_T3_Australia@yahoogroups.com
> > > > Subject: RE: [Syncro_T3_Australia]MY TRUCK WON'T START EITHER
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > ..... BUT my story is a little different:
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > When I'll return to OZ on Tuesday night from NZ, I am facing a
> problem
> > > with
> > > > my TRISTAR DC Syncro. It won't start. I had to push it into the
> shed
> > > before
> > > > I left.
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > SYMPTOMS:
> > > >
> > > > It cranks over - just -
> > > >
> > > > Sometimes it stops on a TDC and I try again. It has done this for
> a
> > > long
> > > > time but now it won't even do that anymore and is DEAD.
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > I HAVE DONE:
> > > >
> > > > Cleaned all connections
> > > >
> > > > Overhauled starter motor
> > > >
> > > > Bought new battery (replaced my preferred Odessey battery)
> > > >
> > > > Run a welding cable 70mm2 from battery neg. to gearbox
> > > >
> > > > Installed new solenoid
> > > >
> > > > Knocking the solenoid with an iron bar helped for a while - but
> this
> > > option
> > > > ALSO no longer worx
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > QUESTIONS:
> > > >
> > > > Does the ignition switch (the red and black wire - 51 I think) get
> > > it's
> > > > power via any relays?
> > > >
> > > > I can't figure this out in the Bentleys?????
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > Anyone out there able to shed some light on this drama or is my
> > > beloved
> > > > truck trying to tell me something (after I spent my wife's
> inheritance
> > > on
> > > > the gearbox???????)
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > Cheers
> > > >
> > > > Hartmut
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > P.S.I AM NOT MAKING ANY COMMENT ON THIS STORY ANYMORE......Elke
> > > >
> > > > .
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > -----Original Message-----
> > > > From: Syncro_T3_Australia@yahoogroups.com
> > > > [mailto:Syncro_T3_Australia@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of
> muddy3267
> > > > Sent: Saturday, January 03, 2009 3:26 PM
> > > > To: Syncro_T3_Australia@yahoogroups.com
> > > > Subject: [Syncro_T3_Australia] Van won't start . Now will.
> > > >
> > > > Last night my van would not start. It cranked over quickly with a
> very
> > > > healthy battery but no sign of firing. So i read through recent
> posts
> > > > about "won't start" and used Peters tips about cleaning the
> various
> > > > earths. Cleaned and lubricated the earth on the digifant under the
> > > seat
> > > > and presto, instant starting. Thanks to this terrific resource i'm
> > > back
> > > > on the road. No way i would have looked at this seemingly
> > > insignificant
> > > > little earth wire under the seat. Thanks Bill
> > > >
> >
Phil, hhhmmmmmmmmmmmm ...... very interesting and something worth
keeping in mind. I tend to be anal about oiling/greasing things whenever
the opportunity arises, I probably would have fallen into the same trap!

Talking about removing/reinstalling the starter motor, the reason I'm
loathe to attempt its removal any time soon centres squarely around how
to get at and remove both fixing bolts holding the diflock actuator in
place. All this needs to be shifted out of the way to make enough space
to allow the starter motor to drop out. Am I missing something? There
just doesn't seem to be enough room to firstly, get at both and then
secondly, actually remove both bolts. I soon realised why, when I first
tackled the starter motor removal task, whoever last removed the starter
motor, only refitted one of these fixing bolts. I found only having to
get at and remove this easier one, made it possible to shift the
actuator assembly out of the way.

Since then, Rudi has set up my rear diflock properly ... he reinstalled
BOTH bracket fixing bolts. Masochist!

Ken



-- In Syncro_T3_Australia@yahoogroups.com, plander@... wrote:
>
> A problem with this bush is when people change the starter motor, they
grease the shaft/bush. This is a bronze bush which needs to be oiled.
Grease kills it real quick! A friend of mine was changing the bush
yearly on his Kombi until told him not to grease. He never changed it
again.
>
>
>
> > Ken unclekenz@... wrote:
> >
> >
> > Ok Phil, looks like you've answered my question to Yurik. Then I
guess
> > the bronze bushing is listed elsewhere in ETKA, not as part of the
> > starter motor exploded view. Probably wherever the bell housing is.
> >
> > I better cross my fingers then. Touch wood, at the moment, my
starter is
> > working just fine.
> >
> > There is just NO WAY I'm going to tackle yet again the removal of
the
> > starter motor any time soon just to replace that bronze bush ....
what a
> > nightmare all that procedure is! Once bitten, twice shy.
> >
> > Ken
> >
> >
> > --- In Syncro_T3_Australia@yahoogroups.com, plander@ wrote:
> > >
> > > If you buy a starter from a VW workshop it comes with the bush
tied to
> > the starter. This happens a lot, people reco the starter and dont
> > replace the bush in the gearbox housing.
> > >
> > > Phill
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > > Ken unclekenz@ wrote:
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > Gday Yurik,
> > > >
> > > > Just having a look now at the syncro starter motor exploded
parts
> > > > diagram in ETKA.
> > > >
> > > > Is the bush you are referring to the one indicated at position
11a
> > > > located in the starter drive housing at position 11?
> > > >
> > > > If so, is that drive housing the integrated end of the starter
motor
> > > > that drops out when you unbolt it from its position?
> > > >
> > > > I'm asking this because if that end drive housing does form an
> > integral
> > > > part and it does contain the bush you speak of, then in my case,
I'm
> > > > assuming that part would routinely be replaced by an experienced
> > > > refurbisher of starter motors such as an auto electrician. I
know my
> > > > auto electrician, who refurbished my starter motor a couple of
years
> > > > ago, stated he'd refurbished so many Bosch starter motors during
his
> > > > working life, can just about do them blindfold.
> > > >
> > > > However if the bush you speak about is not the one in the
starter
> > motor
> > > > housing itself, then no, I also would have missed replacing that
> > bronze
> > > > bush either when I removed the starter motor for refurbishment
by
> > the
> > > > auto electrician. Could you please clarify this Yurik. TIA.
> > > >
> > > > Cheers.
> > > >
> > > > Ken
> > > > --- In Syncro_T3_Australia@yahoogroups.com, "Yurik Orlowsky"
> > > > yuriko@ wrote:
> > > > >
> > > > > Hartmut,
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > It seems you have addressed all the possible electric problems
> > with
> > > > extra
> > > > > upgrades also. You may however have a badly worn brass bush in
the
> > > > bell
> > > > > housing which holds the starter motor pinion. Such excessive
ware
> > can
> > > > > cause the armature to rub on the field coil cores resulting
with
> > much
> > > > > friction. The starter would become very sluggish and
ultimately
> > not
> > > > turn
> > > > > over at all. This bush should be replaced whenever a
> > new/overhauled
> > > > starter
> > > > > is installed. It is a small item but could be the vital cause
of
> > your
> > > > > problem.
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > Regards
> > > > >
> > > > > Yurik
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > From: Syncro_T3_Australia@yahoogroups.com
> > > > > [mailto:Syncro_T3_Australia@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Elke
> > Kiehn
> > > > > Sent: Saturday, 3 January 2009 1:57 PM
> > > > > To: Syncro_T3_Australia@yahoogroups.com
> > > > > Subject: RE: [Syncro_T3_Australia]MY TRUCK WON'T START EITHER
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > ..... BUT my story is a little different:
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > When I'll return to OZ on Tuesday night from NZ, I am facing a
> > problem
> > > > with
> > > > > my TRISTAR DC Syncro. It won't start. I had to push it into
the
> > shed
> > > > before
> > > > > I left.
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > SYMPTOMS:
> > > > >
> > > > > It cranks over - just -
> > > > >
> > > > > Sometimes it stops on a TDC and I try again. It has done this
for
> > a
> > > > long
> > > > > time but now it won't even do that anymore and is DEAD.
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > I HAVE DONE:
> > > > >
> > > > > Cleaned all connections
> > > > >
> > > > > Overhauled starter motor
> > > > >
> > > > > Bought new battery (replaced my preferred Odessey battery)
> > > > >
> > > > > Run a welding cable 70mm2 from battery neg. to gearbox
> > > > >
> > > > > Installed new solenoid
> > > > >
> > > > > Knocking the solenoid with an iron bar helped for a while -
but
> > this
> > > > option
> > > > > ALSO no longer worx
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > QUESTIONS:
> > > > >
> > > > > Does the ignition switch (the red and black wire - 51 I think)
get
> > > > it's
> > > > > power via any relays?
> > > > >
> > > > > I can't figure this out in the Bentleys?????
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > Anyone out there able to shed some light on this drama or is
my
> > > > beloved
> > > > > truck trying to tell me something (after I spent my wife's
> > inheritance
> > > > on
> > > > > the gearbox???????)
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > Cheers
> > > > >
> > > > > Hartmut
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > P.S.I AM NOT MAKING ANY COMMENT ON THIS STORY
ANYMORE......Elke
> > > > >
> > > > > .
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > -----Original Message-----
> > > > > From: Syncro_T3_Australia@yahoogroups.com
> > > > > [mailto:Syncro_T3_Australia@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of
> > muddy3267
> > > > > Sent: Saturday, January 03, 2009 3:26 PM
> > > > > To: Syncro_T3_Australia@yahoogroups.com
> > > > > Subject: [Syncro_T3_Australia] Van won't start . Now will.
> > > > >
> > > > > Last night my van would not start. It cranked over quickly
with a
> > very
> > > > > healthy battery but no sign of firing. So i read through
recent
> > posts
> > > > > about "won't start" and used Peters tips about cleaning the
> > various
> > > > > earths. Cleaned and lubricated the earth on the digifant under
the
> > > > seat
> > > > > and presto, instant starting. Thanks to this terrific resource
i'm
> > > > back
> > > > > on the road. No way i would have looked at this seemingly
> > > > insignificant
> > > > > little earth wire under the seat. Thanks Bill
> > > > >
> > >
>
> Ken <unclekenz@yahoo.com> wrote:
>
>
> Phil, hhhmmmmmmmmmmmm ...... very interesting and something worth
> keeping in mind. I tend to be anal about oiling/greasing things whenever
> the opportunity arises,


There is no periodic servicing for the bush, bush if you get an opportunity.

I had a Beetle that did 460,000 kms and changed the bush once. Probably put a drip of oil on it maybe twice.
Gday Yurik,
Ok thanks for the reassurance. Main thing is I now know for next time.
I'll check out your Etka references as well ... ta
Cheers.
Ken

--- On Sat, 3/1/09, Yurik Orlowsky <yuriko@iinet.net.au> wrote:

From: Yurik Orlowsky <yuriko@iinet.net.au>
Subject: RE: [Syncro_T3_Australia]MY TRUCK WON'T START EITHER
To: Syncro_T3_Australia@yahoogroups.com
Received: Saturday, 3 January, 2009, 11:13 PM

Ken,

 

Yes Phil has answered your question. Your reference 11a in EKTA is correct but it’s not an integral part of the drive housing.  It is shown also again as part of  the transmission bell housing (Group 3 Transmission Illustration 42-10, No 14), the same part number 113 301 155. It provides the bearing for the end of the starter pinion which would otherwise be free floating as it is when the starter is removed.

Generally this bush last for many years and in your case it is probably ok for many more years. I would leave it as it is but should you ever have the starter motor out again, it would be the right time to replace it!

 

Regards

Yurik

 

From: Syncro_T3_Australia @yahoogroups. com [mailto:Syncro_ T3_Australia@ yahoogroups. com] On Behalf Of Ken
Sent: Saturday, 3 January 2009 6:03 PM
To: Syncro_T3_Australia @yahoogroups. com
Subject: Re: [Syncro_T3_Australi a]MY TRUCK WON'T START EITHER

 


Gday Yurik,

Just having a look now at the syncro starter motor exploded parts
diagram in ETKA.

Is the bush you are referring to the one indicated at position 11a
located in the starter drive housing at position 11?

If so, is that drive housing the integrated end of the starter motor
that drops out when you unbolt it from its position?

I'm asking this because if that end drive housing does form an integral
part and it does contain the bush you speak of, then in my case, I'm
assuming that part would routinely be replaced by an experienced
refurbisher of starter motors such as an auto electrician. I know my
auto electrician, who refurbished my starter motor a couple of years
ago, stated he'd refurbished so many Bosch starter motors during his
working life, can just about do them blindfold.

However if the bush you speak about is not the one in the starter motor
housing itself, then no, I also would have missed replacing that bronze
bush either when I removed the starter motor for refurbishment by the
auto electrician. Could you please clarify this Yurik. TIA.

Cheers.

Ken
--- In Syncro_T3_Australia @yahoogroups. com, "Yurik Orlowsky"
<yuriko@...> wrote:
>
> Hartmut,
>
>
>
> It seems you have addressed all the possible electric problems with
extra
> upgrades also. You may however have a badly worn brass bush in the
bell
> housing which holds the starter motor pinion. Such excessive ware can
> cause the armature to rub on the field coil cores resulting with much
> friction. The starter would become very sluggish and ultimately not
turn
> over at all. This bush should be replaced whenever a new/overhauled
starter
> is installed. It is a small item but could be the vital cause of your
> problem.
>
>
>
> Regards
>
> Yurik
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> From: Syncro_T3_Australia @yahoogroups. com
> [mailto:Syncro_T3_Australia @yahoogroups. com] On Behalf Of Elke Kiehn
> Sent: Saturday, 3 January 2009 1:57 PM
> To: Syncro_T3_Australia @yahoogroups. com
> Subject: RE: [Syncro_T3_Australi a]MY TRUCK WON'T START EITHER
>
>
>
> ..... BUT my story is a little different:
>
>
>
> When I'll return to OZ on Tuesday night from NZ, I am facing a problem
with
> my TRISTAR DC Syncro. It won't start. I had to push it into the shed
before
> I left.
>
>
>
> SYMPTOMS:
>
> It cranks over - just -
>
> Sometimes it stops on a TDC and I try again. It has done this for a
long
> time but now it won't even do that anymore and is DEAD.
>
>
>
> I HAVE DONE:
>
> Cleaned all connections
>
> Overhauled starter motor
>
> Bought new battery (replaced my preferred Odessey battery)
>
> Run a welding cable 70mm2 from battery neg. to gearbox
>
> Installed new solenoid
>
> Knocking the solenoid with an iron bar helped for a while - but this
option
> ALSO no longer worx
>
>
>
> QUESTIONS:
>
> Does the ignition switch (the red and black wire - 51 I think) get
it's
> power via any relays?
>
> I can't figure this out in the Bentleys???? ?
>
>
>
> Anyone out there able to shed some light on this drama or is my
beloved
> truck trying to tell me something (after I spent my wife's inheritance
on
> the gearbox????? ??)
>
>
>
> Cheers
>
> Hartmut
>
>
>
> P.S.I AM NOT MAKING ANY COMMENT ON THIS STORY ANYMORE..... .Elke
>
> .
>
>
>
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Syncro_T3_Australia @yahoogroups. com
> [mailto:Syncro_T3_Australia @yahoogroups. com] On Behalf Of muddy3267
> Sent: Saturday, January 03, 2009 3:26 PM
> To: Syncro_T3_Australia @yahoogroups. com
> Subject: [Syncro_T3_Australi a] Van won't start . Now will.
>
> Last night my van would not start. It cranked over quickly with a very
> healthy battery but no sign of firing. So i read through recent posts
> about "won't start" and used Peters tips about cleaning the various
> earths. Cleaned and lubricated the earth on the digifant under the
seat
> and presto, instant starting. Thanks to this terrific resource i'm
back
> on the road. No way i would have looked at this seemingly
insignificant
> little earth wire under the seat. Thanks Bill
>



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