Wheel Alignment Errors

I have just been sent this;

From: derekdrew@aol.com
Date: Thu, 17 Mar 94 12:01:34 EST
Subject: Alignment For Vanagon Syncro

The following material is being shipped to Joel Walker and to the people
who own Syncro Vanagons on Internet.

Dear Friends,

The VW service manual for the Vanagon was updated in 1990 to include a
different method for calculating the proper alignment specs for the Syncro
Vanagon. Owners of the earlier service manuals for the vanagon will miss
these new specs. The specs are contained on page 44.3a of the service
manual. If your manual does not contain this page and these specs, you will
not have the updated information on how to correctly align your syncro.

If you rely on someone else to select the proper specs for the Vanagon
Syncro, you have a problem as well. This is because the company that makes
almost all alignment machines in the country, the Hunter company, put in
the wrong specs for the front of the Vanagon Syncro. I actually located
the clerk in Hunter who misinterpreted a symbol in the Vanagon repair
microfiche and who admitted he made a mistake. Over time--a very long
time-- he said he would try to get the specs on the Hunter machines
corrected, but he admitted that in the mean time repair mechanics around
the country would be setting the Vanagon Syncros in their shop to the
improper alignment specs.

I recalculated all values and came up with the following specs, which are
proper for the Camper model. If you don't have the camper model, you should
obtain page 44.3a of the service manual and perform your own calculation
as your specs will be slightly less aggressive than these due to the
lighter weight of your vehicle.

If you take your Vanagon Syncro into an alignment shop and say, "give me an
alignment," there is a 5% chance you will get a proper alignment, and a 95%
chance the mechanic will use either: a) the faulty specs in many Hunter
alignment machines or b) the earlier, easier to figure, alignment specs
used before page 44.3a was issued. As a matter of fact, the guy at the
Hunter alignment company told me that the methodology in page 44.3a was
too difficult to input into the standard format of the Hunter alignment
machine computer systems, and so the proper procedure would never appear
on those machines. The proper procedure involves measuring the ride
height of the vehicle and calculating the proper alignment spec based on
that. The measurement is taken by measuring the distance between the
wheelwell and the center of the wheel.

Once you are able to obtain the proper specs, there is another problem in
forcing your mechanic to follow your specs and not those in the Hunter
machines. You have to tell the mechanic that the vehicle has been
modified or make up some story or he will simply ignore your specs and
use those in the machine. One way to force the mechanic to be honest is
to insist on a print-out from the Hunter machine showing your actual
alignment specs after the operation. You can then compare these specs
to those you provide him to check whether he has done the job right.

The alignment is difficult enought on a Vanagon Syncro that there is a
strong possibility the mechanic will use either, a) the hunter specs,
or b) your specs, whichever he is able to achieve first, unless you
beat him up to not do so.

The following specs should be read with a proportional font text reader in
order for the columns to line up correctly. Again, the following is for the
camper model, or other very heavy model vanagons. The rest of you will have
to make up your own chart after consultiing page 44.3a.

The material in this document is copywrite 1994 by Derek Drew, 487 Columbus
Ave. #3R, New York, NY 10024 (212)-580-4459. It may be reproduced and
redistributed for any non-commercial purpose provided proper credit is
given to the author. Contact the author for permission to reproduce in a
commercial work.

=========================================================================
Before giving you the specs, a disussion of how to lift the van is in
order. Since I regularly drive my Vanagon Syncro Camper on rough terrible
roads and bash the underside, I have undertaken to lift it a bit. I lifted
it about 1" by buying BF Goodrich Radial All-Terrain tires, in light truck
size 27 x 8.50 for the 14" alloy rims. (I love these bigger tires, and
they provide excellent handling because the sidewalls are relatively
stiff, but they kill the performance of the motor due to their effect on
the gearing. You will feel like you are in a 1970s era bus again, but I
feel the tradeoff is well worth it for my application).

Another method I used to raise the van is to raise the rear end. I did this
as follows: in between the rear springs and the body of the vehicle
there is a small doughnut sized wedge of about 3/4 inch thickness. I went
to the dealer and bought a pile of these little wedges and put 2 or 3
more on each side of the rear of the vehicle. I am still puzzling over how
to lift the front of the vehicle so right now it tilts down at the front
a bit. Any ideas on how to easily lift the front of a Syncro Vanagon?

------------BELOW IS WHAT YOU GIVE THE ALIGNMENT MECHANIC----------------
=========================================================================
VANAGON SYNCRO --'86-'91
ALIGNMENT SPECS FOR CAMPER MODEL WITH DUAL BATTERIES UP FRONT
^Proper specifications for camper are NOT INCLUDED on Hunter
machines. Use the following.^

ORDER OF WORK
Alignments MUST be performed in the following order to avoid
one adjustment from changing other adjustments:
1st Castor
2nd Camber
3rd Toe

SPECIFICATIONS -- 30-40% laden
----- Left Front --- -- Right Front --------
Min Max. Min. Max.
-------------------- -----------------------
-0.27 +0.40 Camber -0.27 +0.40

+3.8 +4.4 Caster +3.8 +4.4

-0.033 +0.033 Toe -0.033 +0.033
(-0.017") (+0.017") Toe (inches) (-0.017") (+0.017")

---- Front ------
Min. Max.
-----------------
Cross Camber 0 0.3
Cross Caster 0 0.5
Total Toe -0.07 +0.07
Toe in inches: (-0.033") (+0.033")
Setback 0 0.5

---- Left Rear ----- --- Right Rear --------
Min. Max. Min. Max.
-------------------- -----------------------
-0.67 0.00 Camber -0.67 0.00

-0.08 +0.26 Toe (each) -0.08" +0.26
(-0.04") +(0.13") (in inches) (-0.04") +(0.13")
-----------------------------------------------------------

---- Rear -------
Min. Max.
----------------- FINAL
Cross Camber 0 0.3 This page
Total Toe -0.16 +0.52 based on
total toe in inches: (-0.08") +(0.26") measurement
Thrust angle -0.10 +0.10 page 44.3a

=========================================================================
Notes on calculations (for your own use/reference)

1. Calculating front camber spec:

Notes: The front camber spec for the regular Vanagon
peaks in the middle and then comes back down.
However, for the Syncro the spec seems to drop
directly. My figure should probably be centered
around zero. Thus:

+5' +- 20' is a good compromise
Range in degrees is 0.7*.

This translates into:

+0.0825* +/-0.334

This translates into:

+0.4165 -0.2515

2. Calculating the front castor spec:

Set arbitrarily at halfway between published spec
and halfway point.

3. Calculating the rear camber spec:

Empty Full
+0.25 Max -0.50
-0.25 Nominal -1.17*
-0.42 Min. -1.84

Has a 0.67* spread.

So, set this at -0.00 max.
-0.67 min.

4. Calculating the rear toe spec:

Empty Full
+0.125"
-0.041"

=========================================================================
WEIGHT INFORMATION:

Premise: The empty non-camper syncro weighs in at between
3,641 and 4,000 lbs. depending on the model. The max weight
is 5512. The halfway point is therefore between 4577 and
4894 lbs.

My vehicle weighs in at about the halfway point, since I
weigh 4680 empty. Being conservative, I will produce a set
of alignment specs for a vehicle 33% laden.

RANDOM WEIGHT STATISTICS:

TOTAL Front Axel Rear Axel

Syncro Camper

GVWR 5512 2866 3042
Empty 3950
Actual 4620? 2310? 2310?
Pub. curb R&T 4000 1972 2028
Pub. curb C&D 4000
Extrapo camper 4350

Non-Syncro Camper

Empty 3960
Full 5280
Cargo weight 1320

Non-Camper Syncro 2.1 litre

Empty 3661 (3689) 1793 1867
Observed empty 4045 (4109) 1982 2063
Cargo weight 1929
Implied GVWR* 5590
(*meaning empty + cargo)

Non-Syncro, Non-Camper

Empty 3670

Road and Track states that Syncro adds 330 lbs to the 3670
non syncro Vanagon and the camper adds 350 lbs as well.

=========================================================================
TRANSLATING DEGREES, MINUTES, AND INCHES:

Degrees Minutes Inches
0.01* = 0.6' = 0.005"
0.0165* = 1' = 0.00825"
0.025* = 1.5' = 0.0125"
0.05* = 3' = 0.025"
0.10* = 6' = 0.05"
0.167* = 10' = 0.0825"
0.25* = 15' = 0.125"
0.5* = 30' = 0.25"
0.75* = 45' = 0.375"
1* = 60' = 0.50"

Degrees devided by 2 = inches
2* = 1.00"
3* = 1.50"
4* = 2.00"
5* = 2.50"

Inches to Minutes
1.00" = 15'


Derek Drew
487 Columbus Ave. #3R
New York, NY 10024
212-580-4459
Internet: derekdrew@aol.com

Hello I have just printed the following off to give to my wheel aligner and wondering if this information is still correct or if its been updated over the years. Regards Greg

--- In Syncro_T3_Australia@yahoogroups.com, "hdvwoc" <plander@...> wrote:
>
>
> I have just been sent this;
>
> From: derekdrew@... <mailto:derekdrew@...>
> Date: Thu, 17 Mar 94 12:01:34 EST
> Subject: Alignment For Vanagon Syncro
>
> The following material is being shipped to Joel Walker and to the people
> who own Syncro Vanagons on Internet.
>
> Dear Friends,
>
> The VW service manual for the Vanagon was updated in 1990 to include a
> different method for calculating the proper alignment specs for the
> Syncro
> Vanagon. Owners of the earlier service manuals for the vanagon will miss
> these new specs. The specs are contained on page 44.3a of the service
> manual. If your manual does not contain this page and these specs, you
> will
> not have the updated information on how to correctly align your syncro.
>
> If you rely on someone else to select the proper specs for the Vanagon
> Syncro, you have a problem as well. This is because the company that
> makes
> almost all alignment machines in the country, the Hunter company, put in
> the wrong specs for the front of the Vanagon Syncro. I actually located
> the clerk in Hunter who misinterpreted a symbol in the Vanagon repair
> microfiche and who admitted he made a mistake. Over time--a very long
> time-- he said he would try to get the specs on the Hunter machines
> corrected, but he admitted that in the mean time repair mechanics around
> the country would be setting the Vanagon Syncros in their shop to the
> improper alignment specs.
>
> I recalculated all values and came up with the following specs, which
> are
> proper for the Camper model. If you don't have the camper model, you
> should
> obtain page 44.3a of the service manual and perform your own calculation
> as your specs will be slightly less aggressive than these due to the
> lighter weight of your vehicle.
>
> If you take your Vanagon Syncro into an alignment shop and say, "give me
> an
> alignment," there is a 5% chance you will get a proper alignment, and a
> 95%
> chance the mechanic will use either: a) the faulty specs in many Hunter
> alignment machines or b) the earlier, easier to figure, alignment specs
> used before page 44.3a was issued. As a matter of fact, the guy at the
> Hunter alignment company told me that the methodology in page 44.3a was
> too difficult to input into the standard format of the Hunter alignment
> machine computer systems, and so the proper procedure would never appear
> on those machines. The proper procedure involves measuring the ride
> height of the vehicle and calculating the proper alignment spec based on
> that. The measurement is taken by measuring the distance between the
> wheelwell and the center of the wheel.
>
> Once you are able to obtain the proper specs, there is another problem
> in
> forcing your mechanic to follow your specs and not those in the Hunter
> machines. You have to tell the mechanic that the vehicle has been
> modified or make up some story or he will simply ignore your specs and
> use those in the machine. One way to force the mechanic to be honest is
> to insist on a print-out from the Hunter machine showing your actual
> alignment specs after the operation. You can then compare these specs
> to those you provide him to check whether he has done the job right.
>
> The alignment is difficult enought on a Vanagon Syncro that there is a
> strong possibility the mechanic will use either, a) the hunter specs,
> or b) your specs, whichever he is able to achieve first, unless you
> beat him up to not do so.
>
> The following specs should be read with a proportional font text reader
> in
> order for the columns to line up correctly. Again, the following is for
> the
> camper model, or other very heavy model vanagons. The rest of you will
> have
> to make up your own chart after consultiing page 44.3a.
>
> The material in this document is copywrite 1994 by Derek Drew, 487
> Columbus
> Ave. #3R, New York, NY 10024 (212)-580-4459. It may be reproduced and
> redistributed for any non-commercial purpose provided proper credit is
> given to the author. Contact the author for permission to reproduce in a
> commercial work.
>
> ========================================================================\
> =
> Before giving you the specs, a disussion of how to lift the van is in
> order. Since I regularly drive my Vanagon Syncro Camper on rough
> terrible
> roads and bash the underside, I have undertaken to lift it a bit. I
> lifted
> it about 1" by buying BF Goodrich Radial All-Terrain tires, in light
> truck
> size 27 x 8.50 for the 14" alloy rims. (I love these bigger tires, and
> they provide excellent handling because the sidewalls are relatively
> stiff, but they kill the performance of the motor due to their effect on
> the gearing. You will feel like you are in a 1970s era bus again, but I
> feel the tradeoff is well worth it for my application).
>
> Another method I used to raise the van is to raise the rear end. I did
> this
> as follows: in between the rear springs and the body of the vehicle
> there is a small doughnut sized wedge of about 3/4 inch thickness. I
> went
> to the dealer and bought a pile of these little wedges and put 2 or 3
> more on each side of the rear of the vehicle. I am still puzzling over
> how
> to lift the front of the vehicle so right now it tilts down at the front
> a bit. Any ideas on how to easily lift the front of a Syncro Vanagon?
>
> ------------BELOW IS WHAT YOU GIVE THE ALIGNMENT
> MECHANIC----------------
> ========================================================================\
> =
> VANAGON SYNCRO --'86-'91
> ALIGNMENT SPECS FOR CAMPER MODEL WITH DUAL BATTERIES UP FRONT
> ^Proper specifications for camper are NOT INCLUDED on Hunter
> machines. Use the following.^
>
> ORDER OF WORK
> Alignments MUST be performed in the following order to avoid
> one adjustment from changing other adjustments:
> 1st Castor
> 2nd Camber
> 3rd Toe
>
> SPECIFICATIONS -- 30-40% laden
> ----- Left Front --- -- Right Front --------
> Min Max. Min. Max.
> -------------------- -----------------------
> -0.27 +0.40 Camber -0.27 +0.40
>
> +3.8 +4.4 Caster +3.8 +4.4
>
> -0.033 +0.033 Toe -0.033 +0.033
> (-0.017") (+0.017") Toe (inches) (-0.017") (+0.017")
>
> ---- Front ------
> Min. Max.
> -----------------
> Cross Camber 0 0.3
> Cross Caster 0 0.5
> Total Toe -0.07 +0.07
> Toe in inches: (-0.033") (+0.033")
> Setback 0 0.5
>
> ---- Left Rear ----- --- Right Rear --------
> Min. Max. Min. Max.
> -------------------- -----------------------
> -0.67 0.00 Camber -0.67 0.00
>
> -0.08 +0.26 Toe (each) -0.08" +0.26
> (-0.04") +(0.13") (in inches) (-0.04") +(0.13")
> -----------------------------------------------------------
>
> ---- Rear -------
> Min. Max.
> ----------------- FINAL
> Cross Camber 0 0.3 This page
> Total Toe -0.16 +0.52 based on
> total toe in inches: (-0.08") +(0.26") measurement
> Thrust angle -0.10 +0.10 page 44.3a
>
> ========================================================================\
> =
> Notes on calculations (for your own use/reference)
>
> 1. Calculating front camber spec:
>
> Notes: The front camber spec for the regular Vanagon
> peaks in the middle and then comes back down.
> However, for the Syncro the spec seems to drop
> directly. My figure should probably be centered
> around zero. Thus:
>
> +5' +- 20' is a good compromise
> Range in degrees is 0.7*.
>
> This translates into:
>
> +0.0825* +/-0.334
>
> This translates into:
>
> +0.4165 -0.2515
>
> 2. Calculating the front castor spec:
>
> Set arbitrarily at halfway between published spec
> and halfway point.
>
> 3. Calculating the rear camber spec:
>
> Empty Full
> +0.25 Max -0.50
> -0.25 Nominal -1.17*
> -0.42 Min. -1.84
>
> Has a 0.67* spread.
>
> So, set this at -0.00 max.
> -0.67 min.
>
> 4. Calculating the rear toe spec:
>
> Empty Full
> +0.125"
> -0.041"
>
> ========================================================================\
> =
> WEIGHT INFORMATION:
>
> Premise: The empty non-camper syncro weighs in at between
> 3,641 and 4,000 lbs. depending on the model. The max weight
> is 5512. The halfway point is therefore between 4577 and
> 4894 lbs.
>
> My vehicle weighs in at about the halfway point, since I
> weigh 4680 empty. Being conservative, I will produce a set
> of alignment specs for a vehicle 33% laden.
>
> RANDOM WEIGHT STATISTICS:
>
> TOTAL Front Axel Rear Axel
>
> Syncro Camper
>
> GVWR 5512 2866 3042
> Empty 3950
> Actual 4620? 2310? 2310?
> Pub. curb R&T 4000 1972 2028
> Pub. curb C&D 4000
> Extrapo camper 4350
>
> Non-Syncro Camper
>
> Empty 3960
> Full 5280
> Cargo weight 1320
>
> Non-Camper Syncro 2.1 litre
>
> Empty 3661 (3689) 1793 1867
> Observed empty 4045 (4109) 1982 2063
> Cargo weight 1929
> Implied GVWR* 5590
> (*meaning empty + cargo)
>
> Non-Syncro, Non-Camper
>
> Empty 3670
>
> Road and Track states that Syncro adds 330 lbs to the 3670
> non syncro Vanagon and the camper adds 350 lbs as well.
>
> ========================================================================\
> =
> TRANSLATING DEGREES, MINUTES, AND INCHES:
>
> Degrees Minutes Inches
> 0.01* = 0.6' = 0.005"
> 0.0165* = 1' = 0.00825"
> 0.025* = 1.5' = 0.0125"
> 0.05* = 3' = 0.025"
> 0.10* = 6' = 0.05"
> 0.167* = 10' = 0.0825"
> 0.25* = 15' = 0.125"
> 0.5* = 30' = 0.25"
> 0.75* = 45' = 0.375"
> 1* = 60' = 0.50"
>
> Degrees devided by 2 = inches
> 2* = 1.00"
> 3* = 1.50"
> 4* = 2.00"
> 5* = 2.50"
>
> Inches to Minutes
> 1.00" = 15'
>
>
> Derek Drew
> 487 Columbus Ave. #3R
> New York, NY 10024
> 212-580-4459
> Internet: derekdrew@... <mailto:derekdrew@...>
>
Just use the specs in the Bentley or genuine.

Phill



> Greg <greg_navarro95@yahoo.com> wrote:
>
>
> Hello I have just printed the following off to give to my wheel aligner
> and wondering if this information is still correct or if its been
> updated over the years. Regards Greg
>
> --- In Syncro_T3_Australia@yahoogroups.com, "hdvwoc" <plander@...>
> wrote:
> >
> >
> > I have just been sent this;
> >
> > From: derekdrew@... <mailto:derekdrew@...>
> > Date: Thu, 17 Mar 94 12:01:34 EST
> > Subject: Alignment For Vanagon Syncro
> >
> > The following material is being shipped to Joel Walker and to the
> people
> > who own Syncro Vanagons on Internet.
> >
> > Dear Friends,
> >
> > The VW service manual for the Vanagon was updated in 1990 to include a
> > different method for calculating the proper alignment specs for the
> > Syncro
> > Vanagon. Owners of the earlier service manuals for the vanagon will
> miss
> > these new specs. The specs are contained on page 44.3a of the service
> > manual. If your manual does not contain this page and these specs, you
> > will
> > not have the updated information on how to correctly align your
> syncro.
> >
> > If you rely on someone else to select the proper specs for the Vanagon
> > Syncro, you have a problem as well. This is because the company that
> > makes
> > almost all alignment machines in the country, the Hunter company, put
> in
> > the wrong specs for the front of the Vanagon Syncro. I actually
> located
> > the clerk in Hunter who misinterpreted a symbol in the Vanagon repair
> > microfiche and who admitted he made a mistake. Over time--a very long
> > time-- he said he would try to get the specs on the Hunter machines
> > corrected, but he admitted that in the mean time repair mechanics
> around
> > the country would be setting the Vanagon Syncros in their shop to the
> > improper alignment specs.
> >
> > I recalculated all values and came up with the following specs, which
> > are
> > proper for the Camper model. If you don't have the camper model, you
> > should
> > obtain page 44.3a of the service manual and perform your own
> calculation
> > as your specs will be slightly less aggressive than these due to the
> > lighter weight of your vehicle.
> >
> > If you take your Vanagon Syncro into an alignment shop and say, "give
> me
> > an
> > alignment," there is a 5% chance you will get a proper alignment, and
> a
> > 95%
> > chance the mechanic will use either: a) the faulty specs in many
> Hunter
> > alignment machines or b) the earlier, easier to figure, alignment
> specs
> > used before page 44.3a was issued. As a matter of fact, the guy at the
> > Hunter alignment company told me that the methodology in page 44.3a
> was
> > too difficult to input into the standard format of the Hunter
> alignment
> > machine computer systems, and so the proper procedure would never
> appear
> > on those machines. The proper procedure involves measuring the ride
> > height of the vehicle and calculating the proper alignment spec based
> on
> > that. The measurement is taken by measuring the distance between the
> > wheelwell and the center of the wheel.
> >
> > Once you are able to obtain the proper specs, there is another problem
> > in
> > forcing your mechanic to follow your specs and not those in the Hunter
> > machines. You have to tell the mechanic that the vehicle has been
> > modified or make up some story or he will simply ignore your specs and
> > use those in the machine. One way to force the mechanic to be honest
> is
> > to insist on a print-out from the Hunter machine showing your actual
> > alignment specs after the operation. You can then compare these specs
> > to those you provide him to check whether he has done the job right.
> >
> > The alignment is difficult enought on a Vanagon Syncro that there is a
> > strong possibility the mechanic will use either, a) the hunter specs,
> > or b) your specs, whichever he is able to achieve first, unless you
> > beat him up to not do so.
> >
> > The following specs should be read with a proportional font text
> reader
> > in
> > order for the columns to line up correctly. Again, the following is
> for
> > the
> > camper model, or other very heavy model vanagons. The rest of you will
> > have
> > to make up your own chart after consultiing page 44.3a.
> >
> > The material in this document is copywrite 1994 by Derek Drew, 487
> > Columbus
> > Ave. #3R, New York, NY 10024 (212)-580-4459. It may be reproduced and
> > redistributed for any non-commercial purpose provided proper credit is
> > given to the author. Contact the author for permission to reproduce in
> a
> > commercial work.
> >
> >
> ========================================================================\
>
> > =
> > Before giving you the specs, a disussion of how to lift the van is in
> > order. Since I regularly drive my Vanagon Syncro Camper on rough
> > terrible
> > roads and bash the underside, I have undertaken to lift it a bit. I
> > lifted
> > it about 1" by buying BF Goodrich Radial All-Terrain tires, in light
> > truck
> > size 27 x 8.50 for the 14" alloy rims. (I love these bigger tires, and
> > they provide excellent handling because the sidewalls are relatively
> > stiff, but they kill the performance of the motor due to their effect
> on
> > the gearing. You will feel like you are in a 1970s era bus again, but
> I
> > feel the tradeoff is well worth it for my application).
> >
> > Another method I used to raise the van is to raise the rear end. I did
> > this
> > as follows: in between the rear springs and the body of the vehicle
> > there is a small doughnut sized wedge of about 3/4 inch thickness. I
> > went
> > to the dealer and bought a pile of these little wedges and put 2 or 3
> > more on each side of the rear of the vehicle. I am still puzzling over
> > how
> > to lift the front of the vehicle so right now it tilts down at the
> front
> > a bit. Any ideas on how to easily lift the front of a Syncro Vanagon?
> >
> > ------------BELOW IS WHAT YOU GIVE THE ALIGNMENT
> > MECHANIC----------------
> >
> ========================================================================\
>
> > =
> > VANAGON SYNCRO --'86-'91
> > ALIGNMENT SPECS FOR CAMPER MODEL WITH DUAL BATTERIES UP FRONT
> > ^Proper specifications for camper are NOT INCLUDED on Hunter
> > machines. Use the following.^
> >
> > ORDER OF WORK
> > Alignments MUST be performed in the following order to avoid
> > one adjustment from changing other adjustments:
> > 1st Castor
> > 2nd Camber
> > 3rd Toe
> >
> > SPECIFICATIONS -- 30-40% laden
> > ----- Left Front --- -- Right Front --------
> > Min Max. Min. Max.
> > -------------------- -----------------------
> > -0.27 +0.40 Camber -0.27 +0.40
> >
> > +3.8 +4.4 Caster +3.8 +4.4
> >
> > -0.033 +0.033 Toe -0.033 +0.033
> > (-0.017") (+0.017") Toe (inches) (-0.017") (+0.017")
> >
> > ---- Front ------
> > Min. Max.
> > -----------------
> > Cross Camber 0 0.3
> > Cross Caster 0 0.5
> > Total Toe -0.07 +0.07
> > Toe in inches: (-0.033") (+0.033")
> > Setback 0 0.5
> >
> > ---- Left Rear ----- --- Right Rear --------
> > Min. Max. Min. Max.
> > -------------------- -----------------------
> > -0.67 0.00 Camber -0.67 0.00
> >
> > -0.08 +0.26 Toe (each) -0.08" +0.26
> > (-0.04") +(0.13") (in inches) (-0.04") +(0.13")
> > -----------------------------------------------------------
> >
> > ---- Rear -------
> > Min. Max.
> > ----------------- FINAL
> > Cross Camber 0 0.3 This page
> > Total Toe -0.16 +0.52 based on
> > total toe in inches: (-0.08") +(0.26") measurement
> > Thrust angle -0.10 +0.10 page 44.3a
> >
> >
> ========================================================================\
>
> > =
> > Notes on calculations (for your own use/reference)
> >
> > 1. Calculating front camber spec:
> >
> > Notes: The front camber spec for the regular Vanagon
> > peaks in the middle and then comes back down.
> > However, for the Syncro the spec seems to drop
> > directly. My figure should probably be centered
> > around zero. Thus:
> >
> > +5' +- 20' is a good compromise
> > Range in degrees is 0.7*.
> >
> > This translates into:
> >
> > +0.0825* +/-0.334
> >
> > This translates into:
> >
> > +0.4165 -0.2515
> >
> > 2. Calculating the front castor spec:
> >
> > Set arbitrarily at halfway between published spec
> > and halfway point.
> >
> > 3. Calculating the rear camber spec:
> >
> > Empty Full
> > +0.25 Max -0.50
> > -0.25 Nominal -1.17*
> > -0.42 Min. -1.84
> >
> > Has a 0.67* spread.
> >
> > So, set this at -0.00 max.
> > -0.67 min.
> >
> > 4. Calculating the rear toe spec:
> >
> > Empty Full
> > +0.125"
> > -0.041"
> >
> >
> ========================================================================\
>
> > =
> > WEIGHT INFORMATION:
> >
> > Premise: The empty non-camper syncro weighs in at between
> > 3,641 and 4,000 lbs. depending on the model. The max weight
> > is 5512. The halfway point is therefore between 4577 and
> > 4894 lbs.
> >
> > My vehicle weighs in at about the halfway point, since I
> > weigh 4680 empty. Being conservative, I will produce a set
> > of alignment specs for a vehicle 33% laden.
> >
> > RANDOM WEIGHT STATISTICS:
> >
> > TOTAL Front Axel Rear Axel
> >
> > Syncro Camper
> >
> > GVWR 5512 2866 3042
> > Empty 3950
> > Actual 4620? 2310? 2310?
> > Pub. curb R&T 4000 1972 2028
> > Pub. curb C&D 4000
> > Extrapo camper 4350
> >
> > Non-Syncro Camper
> >
> > Empty 3960
> > Full 5280
> > Cargo weight 1320
> >
> > Non-Camper Syncro 2.1 litre
> >
> > Empty 3661 (3689) 1793 1867
> > Observed empty 4045 (4109) 1982 2063
> > Cargo weight 1929
> > Implied GVWR* 5590
> > (*meaning empty + cargo)
> >
> > Non-Syncro, Non-Camper
> >
> > Empty 3670
> >
> > Road and Track states that Syncro adds 330 lbs to the 3670
> > non syncro Vanagon and the camper adds 350 lbs as well.
> >
> >
> ========================================================================\
>
> > =
> > TRANSLATING DEGREES, MINUTES, AND INCHES:
> >
> > Degrees Minutes Inches
> > 0.01* = 0.6' = 0.005"
> > 0.0165* = 1' = 0.00825"
> > 0.025* = 1.5' = 0.0125"
> > 0.05* = 3' = 0.025"
> > 0.10* = 6' = 0.05"
> > 0.167* = 10' = 0.0825"
> > 0.25* = 15' = 0.125"
> > 0.5* = 30' = 0.25"
> > 0.75* = 45' = 0.375"
> > 1* = 60' = 0.50"
> >
> > Degrees devided by 2 = inches
> > 2* = 1.00"
> > 3* = 1.50"
> > 4* = 2.00"
> > 5* = 2.50"
> >
> > Inches to Minutes
> > 1.00" = 15'
> >
> >
> > Derek Drew
> > 487 Columbus Ave. #3R
> > New York, NY 10024
> > 212-580-4459
> > Internet: derekdrew@... <mailto:derekdrew@...>
> >

Greg,

The correct VAG specs, which includes a graph of settings related to ride height, appears in the files.  Simple, correct and unambiguous.

Les

 


From: Syncro_T3_Australia@yahoogroups.com [mailto:Syncro_T3_Australia@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Greg
Sent: 31 October 2012 11:50
To: Syncro_T3_Australia@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [Syncro_T3_Australia] Re: Wheel Alignment Errors


Hello I have just printed the following off to give to my wheel aligner and wondering if this information is still correct or if its been updated over the years. Regards Greg

If you ask a wheel aligner to read through that post he will have binned the paper before he gets to the specs! Greg E

From: Les Harris <leslieharris@optusnet.com.au>
To: Syncro_T3_Australia@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Wednesday, 31 October 2012 11:56 AM
Subject: RE: [Syncro_T3_Australia] Re: Wheel Alignment Errors
 
Greg,
The correct VAG specs, which includes a graph of settings related to ride height, appears in the files.  Simple, correct and unambiguous.
Les
 
From: Syncro_T3_Australia@yahoogroups.com [mailto:Syncro_T3_Australia@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Greg
Sent: 31 October 2012 11:50
To: Syncro_T3_Australia@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [Syncro_T3_Australia] Re: Wheel Alignment Errors

Hello I have just printed the following off to give to my wheel aligner and wondering if this information is still correct or if its been updated over the years. Regards Greg

That's what I was thinking!


> greg esposito <gregespo73@yahoo.com> wrote:
>
> If you ask a wheel aligner to read through that post he will have binned
> the paper before he gets to the specs! Greg E
>
>

See attachment

 


From: Syncro_T3_Australia@yahoogroups.com [mailto:Syncro_T3_Australia@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Les Harris
Sent: 31 October 2012 11:56
To: Syncro_T3_Australia@yahoogroups.com
Subject: RE: [Syncro_T3_Australia] Re: Wheel Alignment Errors

Greg,

The correct VAG specs, which includes a graph of settings related to ride height, appears in the files.  Simple, correct and unambiguous.

Les

 

Thanks everyone, very helpful comments. Greg


--- In Syncro_T3_Australia@yahoogroups.com, "Les Harris" <leslieharris@...> wrote:
>
> See attachment
>
>
>
> _____
>
> From: Syncro_T3_Australia@yahoogroups.com
> [mailto:Syncro_T3_Australia@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Les Harris
> Sent: 31 October 2012 11:56
> To: Syncro_T3_Australia@yahoogroups.com
> Subject: RE: [Syncro_T3_Australia] Re: Wheel Alignment Errors
>
> Greg,
>
> The correct VAG specs, which includes a graph of settings related to ride
> height, appears in the files. Simple, correct and unambiguous.
>
> Les
>
Les,
Someone needs to confirm which edition of Bentley the pages of this doc are from. I'm suspecting it's NOT the last Bentley edition, which I believe went up to 1991 inclusions.

My Bentley edition includes 1991.

By way of comparison to my Bentley pages ...

Page 1 of the doc is the same.
Page 2 of the doc showing pics 44-115 and 44-120 is not in mine, replaced by a new page that includes greater detail and pics 40-660, 44-114, 44-117 and 44-119. 
Page 3 of the doc only shows wheel alignment data chart for empty and full load conditions and pretty much all toe, caster and camber specs are dissimilar to my edition. As well, my edition also includes half load condition specs and additional explanations.
I'd caution anyone relying on this doc. It looks to me like an extract from a previous edition of Bentley, unless someone can confirm otherwise.
Cheers.
Ken


To: Syncro_T3_Australia@yahoogroups.com
From: leslieharris@optusnet.com.au
Date: Wed, 31 Oct 2012 12:07:23 +1100
Subject: RE: [Syncro_T3_Australia] Re: Wheel Alignment Errors

 

See attachment

 


From: Syncro_T3_Australia@yahoogroups.com [mailto:Syncro_T3_Australia@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Les Harris
Sent: 31 October 2012 11:56
To: Syncro_T3_Australia@yahoogroups.com
Subject: RE: [Syncro_T3_Australia] Re: Wheel Alignment Errors

Greg,

The correct VAG specs, which includes a graph of settings related to ride height, appears in the files.  Simple, correct and unambiguous.

Les

 


See attached.

 


From: Syncro_T3_Australia@yahoogroups.com [mailto:Syncro_T3_Australia@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Ken Garratt
Sent: 31 October 2012 14:13
To: _T3_Australia forum Syncro
Subject: RE: [Syncro_T3_Australia] Re: Wheel Alignment Errors
 

Les,

Someone needs to confirm which edition of Bentley the pages of this doc are from. I'm suspecting it's NOT the last Bentley edition, which I believe went up to 1991 inclusions.