Adding power

Phill has owned Syncros longer than many of us put together and his notes on how few engines are available in Australia underlines the availability factor in any serious consideration to increase power by whatever means.
 
In the US, there are more businesses making T3 conversions than there are Syncro owners in Australia, but that's there and this is here.
 
Les
 
----- Original Message -----
Sent: Sunday, February 11, 2007 10:17 AM
Subject: Re: RE: RE: [Syncro_T3_Australia] broken gearboxes, was : adding power


There were many 2,5 conversions done in Australia but I do not know what happened to them. There is one WBX6 here also. The 2,5 conversions were not done very well here as the heads had to be machined to suit 95 octane fuel which was the best available here at the time and the vans could not refuel outside of the capital cities where only 91 was available.

Phill

.

Do you know or Phil know who was doing these and or still are doing
the amping of power versions. I know we can oversize pistons and then
chip and so on and so on. But who can actually do the job; and do it
properly in Australia.
Like u say Les there are T3 improvement centres spread over Australia.
But is there anyone whom is soley dedicated to do all work on a T3,
say like ahh, Go westy/ Bus Brothers etc???
Specialist are limited, but i know they are out there.
Andrew





--- In Syncro_T3_Australia@yahoogroups.com, "Les Harris"
<leslieharris@...> wrote:
>
> Phill has owned Syncros longer than many of us put together and his
notes on how few engines are available in Australia underlines the
availability factor in any serious consideration to increase power by
whatever means.
>
> In the US, there are more businesses making T3 conversions than
there are Syncro owners in Australia, but that's there and this is here.
>
> Les
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: plander@...
> To: Syncro_T3_Australia@yahoogroups.com
> Cc: Syncro_T3_Australia@yahoogroups.com
> Sent: Sunday, February 11, 2007 10:17 AM
> Subject: Re: RE: RE: [Syncro_T3_Australia] broken gearboxes, was :
adding power
>
>
>
> There were many 2,5 conversions done in Australia but I do not
know what happened to them. There is one WBX6 here also. The 2,5
conversions were not done very well here as the heads had to be
machined to suit 95 octane fuel which was the best available here at
the time and the vans could not refuel outside of the capital cities
where only 91 was available.
>
> Phill
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This is a big problem in Australia.
Maybe Rudi Purkhart from Bribie Island in Qld is interested.
Phill



> syncrosity4now <syncrosity4now@yahoo.com.au> wrote:
>
> Do you know or Phil know who was doing these and or still are doing
> the amping of power versions. I know we can oversize pistons and then
> chip and so on and so on. But who can actually do the job; and do it
> properly in Australia.
> Like u say Les there are T3 improvement centres spread over Australia.
> But is there anyone whom is soley dedicated to do all work on a T3,
> say like ahh, Go westy/ Bus Brothers etc???
> Specialist are limited, but i know they are out there.
> Andrew
>
>
>
>
>
> --- In Syncro_T3_Australia@yahoogroups.com, "Les Harris"
> <leslieharris@...> wrote:
> >
> > Phill has owned Syncros longer than many of us put together and his
> notes on how few engines are available in Australia underlines the
> availability factor in any serious consideration to increase power by
> whatever means.
> >
> > In the US, there are more businesses making T3 conversions than
> there are Syncro owners in Australia, but that's there and this is here.
> >
> > Les
> >
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: plander@...
> > To: Syncro_T3_Australia@yahoogroups.com
> > Cc: Syncro_T3_Australia@yahoogroups.com
> > Sent: Sunday, February 11, 2007 10:17 AM
> > Subject: Re: RE: RE: [Syncro_T3_Australia] broken gearboxes, was :
> adding power
> >
> >
> >
> > There were many 2,5 conversions done in Australia but I do not
> know what happened to them. There is one WBX6 here also. The 2,5
> conversions were not done very well here as the heads had to be
> machined to suit 95 octane fuel which was the best available here at
> the time and the vans could not refuel outside of the capital cities
> where only 91 was available.
> >
> > Phill
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I know he is one of the gurus but, even he would have a big job there.
I will hit him up later on to see if i can convince him of such a thing.



--- In Syncro_T3_Australia@yahoogroups.com, plander@... wrote:
>
> This is a big problem in Australia.
> Maybe Rudi Purkhart from Bribie Island in Qld is interested.
> Phill
>
>
>
> > syncrosity4now <syncrosity4now@...> wrote:
> >
> > Do you know or Phil know who was doing these and or still are doing
> > the amping of power versions. I know we can oversize pistons and then
> > chip and so on and so on. But who can actually do the job; and do it
> > properly in Australia.
> > Like u say Les there are T3 improvement centres spread over Australia.
> > But is there anyone whom is soley dedicated to do all work on a T3,
> > say like ahh, Go westy/ Bus Brothers etc???
> > Specialist are limited, but i know they are out there.
> > Andrew
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > --- In Syncro_T3_Australia@yahoogroups.com, "Les Harris"
> > <leslieharris@> wrote:
> > >
> > > Phill has owned Syncros longer than many of us put together and his
> > notes on how few engines are available in Australia underlines the
> > availability factor in any serious consideration to increase power by
> > whatever means.
> > >
> > > In the US, there are more businesses making T3 conversions than
> > there are Syncro owners in Australia, but that's there and this is
here.
> > >
> > > Les
> > >
> > > ----- Original Message -----
> > > From: plander@
> > > To: Syncro_T3_Australia@yahoogroups.com
> > > Cc: Syncro_T3_Australia@yahoogroups.com
> > > Sent: Sunday, February 11, 2007 10:17 AM
> > > Subject: Re: RE: RE: [Syncro_T3_Australia] broken gearboxes, was :
> > adding power
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > There were many 2,5 conversions done in Australia but I do not
> > know what happened to them. There is one WBX6 here also. The 2,5
> > conversions were not done very well here as the heads had to be
> > machined to suit 95 octane fuel which was the best available here at
> > the time and the vans could not refuel outside of the capital cities
> > where only 91 was available.
> > >
> > > Phill
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Andrew,
 
You have misconstrued what I said.  There aren't many places in Australia that do T3 improvements and certainly no exclusive T3 places.
 
What I said was that there are more places like that in the US than there are owners in Australia. 
 
Limited work has been done by a few places in Australia but no large scale work.  For example, the Grollo brothers owned accommodation on the Mount Buller ski resort and they used T3's to transport the paying guests to their lodges.  It soon became obvious that a T3 full of seven people and a heap of luggage was struggling to get up the mountain with a normally aspirated 2.1 engine, so they asked Volkspower to fit turbochargers to their fleet.  I understand that it worked quite well, but it was only a handful of vehicles.
 
I am a special vehicle engineer at General Motors Holden and I have a clear understanding of the difference between engineering a modification for a few vehicles and producing hundreds or thousands of mods and kits, as in the US.  This is not to disparage our local industry, it is simply a pragmatic observation on the size of the Australian market. 
 
There are a thousand ways to get a little bit more power or torque, or a lot more power or torque, from the Wasserboxer.  Eventually, it comes down to how much you are prepared to spend to get how much improvement.  Eventually, anything is possible.  The crunch is the cost/benefit analysis.  You can spend a lot of money and still won't be able to out-drag an ancient Datsun 1600.
 
I use my Syncro as a daily driver.  I can keep with anything on the freeway that I use daily and, off the freeway, I can out corner a very large number of vehicles which run right up my bum on the entry to a corner and then disappear rapidly in my rear view mirror as they find that they simply can't match the cornering grip of a great big lump of a Syncro - and all on a 2.1 MV engine !!
 
I am of an age where I have seen many acquaintances spend alarming amounts of money on their vehicles to achieve a 2% improvement in performance. 
 
There comes a time in everyone's life when they have to ask themselves what the expect from their vehicle.  If they want Ferrari or Porsche performance, it is cheaper to buy a Ferrari or a Porsche.  If they want massive performance, they can buy a HSV Coupe.  If they want one of the world's most competent all terrain vehicles, the could buy a T3 Syncro.  It is not a Ferrari, it is not a Porsche, it is not a HSV Coupe, and it will carry you in comfort over terrain that those vehicles can't even think about.
 
I bought my Syncro because I can wind my way up and down mountain tracks, far from my daily life, in comfort and security.  I don't expect it to out drag a Ferrari.  I am not disappointed in any way.  It is the vehicle I want.
 
If the engine eventually fails and it is not an economic proposition to fix it, I will then look seriously at the Subaru option.  Until then, I am satisfied with the 2.1 Wasserboxer and will not be spending a lot of money to get a minuscule improvement.  In the interim, I will appreciate the ability to use standard VW parts.
 
Les
 
 
----- Original Message -----
Sent: Sunday, February 11, 2007 5:09 PM
Subject: [Syncro_T3_Australia] Re: Adding power

Do you know or Phil know who was doing these and or still are doing
the amping of power versions. I know we can oversize pistons and then
chip and so on and so on. But who can actually do the job; and do it
properly in Australia.
Like u say Les there are T3 improvement centres spread over Australia.
But is there anyone whom is soley dedicated to do all work on a T3,
say like ahh, Go westy/ Bus Brothers etc???
Specialist are limited, but i know they are out there.
Andrew

--- In Syncro_T3_Australia @yahoogroups. com, "Les Harris"
<leslieharris@ ...> wrote:
>
> Phill has owned Syncros longer than many of us put together and his
notes on how few engines are available in Australia underlines the
availability factor in any serious consideration to increase power by
whatever means.
>
> In the US, there are more businesses making T3 conversions than
there are Syncro owners in Australia, but that's there and this is here.
>
> Les
>

.

My interpretation of post was just that an interpretation.
I am not trying to make a huge difference of horsepower in my vehicle,
maybe a nice note out the arse end and that will do.
I was trying to tactfully find answers i have been searching for as
you are above my old age of 30, i gather u know alot more than I. So
if it were that there was a T3 specific workshop/Mechanic somewhere
around Australia, (NSW would be nice by the way) i would think anyone
reading the post would have an answer if there were one. Make sense??

I was merely pointing out the obvious as America seems to be the place
where one can get almost anything for there vanagon and yet Australia
just doesnt have quite the same amount of interest created to bring
with it a T3 specialist unit or shop such as HSV or FPR or MUGEN. As u
mentioned the 2.5ltr upgrade my interest was increased ten fold
because as mentioned in previous posts i would prefer to keep the
original wasserboxer format of engine and struth there would be more
like if it were available in Australia.

I dont think it is to hard to keep up with a standard Datsun 1600,
only i cant see too many Dato's taking off in 2nd gear and launching
as a T3 can do. Up against a standard 2.1ltr T3 Transporter there aint
much of a challenge. I am not certain just confident.

Andrew






--- In Syncro_T3_Australia@yahoogroups.com, "Les Harris"
<leslieharris@...> wrote:
>
> Andrew,
>
> You have misconstrued what I said. There aren't many places in
Australia that do T3 improvements and certainly no exclusive T3 places.
>
> What I said was that there are more places like that in the US than
there are owners in Australia.
>
> Limited work has been done by a few places in Australia but no large
scale work. For example, the Grollo brothers owned accommodation on
the Mount Buller ski resort and they used T3's to transport the paying
guests to their lodges. It soon became obvious that a T3 full of
seven people and a heap of luggage was struggling to get up the
mountain with a normally aspirated 2.1 engine, so they asked
Volkspower to fit turbochargers to their fleet. I understand that it
worked quite well, but it was only a handful of vehicles.
>
> I am a special vehicle engineer at General Motors Holden and I have
a clear understanding of the difference between engineering a
modification for a few vehicles and producing hundreds or thousands of
mods and kits, as in the US. This is not to disparage our local
industry, it is simply a pragmatic observation on the size of the
Australian market.
>
> There are a thousand ways to get a little bit more power or torque,
or a lot more power or torque, from the Wasserboxer. Eventually, it
comes down to how much you are prepared to spend to get how much
improvement. Eventually, anything is possible. The crunch is the
cost/benefit analysis. You can spend a lot of money and still won't
be able to out-drag an ancient Datsun 1600.
>
> I use my Syncro as a daily driver. I can keep with anything on the
freeway that I use daily and, off the freeway, I can out corner a very
large number of vehicles which run right up my bum on the entry to a
corner and then disappear rapidly in my rear view mirror as they find
that they simply can't match the cornering grip of a great big lump of
a Syncro - and all on a 2.1 MV engine !!
>
> I am of an age where I have seen many acquaintances spend alarming
amounts of money on their vehicles to achieve a 2% improvement in
performance.
>
> There comes a time in everyone's life when they have to ask
themselves what the expect from their vehicle. If they want Ferrari
or Porsche performance, it is cheaper to buy a Ferrari or a Porsche.
If they want massive performance, they can buy a HSV Coupe. If they
want one of the world's most competent all terrain vehicles, the could
buy a T3 Syncro. It is not a Ferrari, it is not a Porsche, it is not
a HSV Coupe, and it will carry you in comfort over terrain that those
vehicles can't even think about.
>
> I bought my Syncro because I can wind my way up and down mountain
tracks, far from my daily life, in comfort and security. I don't
expect it to out drag a Ferrari. I am not disappointed in any way.
It is the vehicle I want.
>
> If the engine eventually fails and it is not an economic proposition
to fix it, I will then look seriously at the Subaru option. Until
then, I am satisfied with the 2.1 Wasserboxer and will not be spending
a lot of money to get a minuscule improvement. In the interim, I will
appreciate the ability to use standard VW parts.
>
> Les
>
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: syncrosity4now
> To: Syncro_T3_Australia@yahoogroups.com
> Sent: Sunday, February 11, 2007 5:09 PM
> Subject: [Syncro_T3_Australia] Re: Adding power
>
>
> Do you know or Phil know who was doing these and or still are doing
> the amping of power versions. I know we can oversize pistons and then
> chip and so on and so on. But who can actually do the job; and do it
> properly in Australia.
> Like u say Les there are T3 improvement centres spread over Australia.
> But is there anyone whom is soley dedicated to do all work on a T3,
> say like ahh, Go westy/ Bus Brothers etc???
> Specialist are limited, but i know they are out there.
> Andrew
>
> --- In Syncro_T3_Australia@yahoogroups.com, "Les Harris"
> <leslieharris@> wrote:
> >
> > Phill has owned Syncros longer than many of us put together and his
> notes on how few engines are available in Australia underlines the
> availability factor in any serious consideration to increase power by
> whatever means.
> >
> > In the US, there are more businesses making T3 conversions than
> there are Syncro owners in Australia, but that's there and this is
here.
> >
> > Les
> >
>
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