My gear box decided to call it quits today after putting up with 15 years of torture i gave it.I am planning on rebuilding it using some parts from an old 5 speed box out of an 85 2wd van(1.9 engine). Does any one know the diff ratio in this gearbox? Is it the same as the 5.43 broken one in the syncro or will i have to get a new r&p to replace it.I am also toying with the idea of 6.17 r&p sets if the 5 speed box doesn't give up the correct parts.I have pretty big tyres on it and figure this ratio would let it get up hills alot easier both freeway and off road.Has anyone set up their syncro with these gears and how does it go?Any answers on these questions would be of great help.Thanks Eddie Bergodaz.
Just out of interest where would you buy a 6.17 ring and pinion? I spent 6 months trying to track one down from the uk as this ratio is incredibly rare being that they were found only in the 16" diesel syncro's. I'll be bashing myself if I find out there's somebody still manufacturing this ratio. I know only of albins having made the 5.43 ring and pinion and heard they would only make more if (x) amount of units were purchased?
--- In Syncro_T3_Australia@yahoogroups.com, "erik h" <erikhoeflinger@...> wrote:
>regards pete
> Just out of interest where would you buy a 6.17 ring and pinion? I spent 6 months trying to track one down from the uk as this ratio is incredibly rare being that they were found only in the 16" diesel syncro's. I'll be bashing myself if I find out there's somebody still manufacturing this ratio. I know only of albins having made the 5.43 ring and pinion and heard they would only make more if (x) amount of units were purchased?
> Erik..............Give Rudi on bribie island a call he told me 12 mths ago he had a collection of diff crownwheels pinions etc ph 0734086669
----- Original Message -----From: erik hSent: Tuesday, September 22, 2009 11:00 AMSubject: [Syncro_T3_Australia] Re: broke my gear boxtry muller &muller sydney he had 2 crown and pinion sets about 2 months ago , i do not know the ratiosbobJust out of interest where would you buy a 6.17 ring and pinion? I spent 6 months trying to track one down from the uk as this ratio is incredibly rare being that they were found only in the 16" diesel syncro's. I'll be bashing myself if I find out there's somebody still manufacturing this ratio. I know only of albins having made the 5.43 ring and pinion and heard they would only make more if (x) amount of units were purchased?
Hi Erik
I have a 16” syncro with 6.17 R&P that came as stock with petrol MV engine. I too have been trying to source worldwide for a new one for the past 12 month and have just now been successful in obtaining one from GoWesty
www.gowesty.com It appears they had an exclusive batch manufactured with this ratio and also the 5.43 and 5.83 ratios. If you are thinking of going with the larger 16” tyres then the 6.17 ratio is the way to go – it gives the right gearing for the larger diameter wheels without modifying the 3rd & 4th gear ratios. ie the gearbox ratios remain stock. Incidentally they also have these three ratios available for the front diff ring and pinion. As you know both front and rear diffs have to have matching ratios.
Regards
Yurik
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Sent: Tuesday, 22 September 2009 9:00 AM
To: Syncro_T3_Australia@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [Syncro_T3_Australia] Re: broke my gear box
Just out of interest where would you buy a 6.17 ring and pinion? I spent 6 months trying to track one down from the uk as this ratio is incredibly rare being that they were found only in the 16" diesel syncro's. I'll be bashing myself if I find out there's somebody still manufacturing this ratio. I know only of albins having made the 5.43 ring and pinion and heard they would only make more if (x) amount of units were purchased?
Hey Yurik,
Thanks for that info I had no idea any new batches were still being manufactured in that ratio. This r&p ratio must be very sought after as I remember posting about installing a taller 4th gear on syncro.org and was overwhelmed by the amount of pm's I was setn asking if I wanted to trade my 6.17 for a taller ratio. It seems I don't have the luxury of fitting taller tires on my 14" syncro as you do. At best I can bring my gearing to within around 1% of of stock by running 235/75/15 which might be a little low with the extra power of a 2.5l subaru engine. A 0.70 4th might be the solution but at the moment it looks to be a costly exercise especially seeing as my gearbox saw a complete rebuild only 1000ks ago. I have been toying with the idea of buying extended swing arms to run larger tires of 30-31inch but the 1150us price tag from burley motorsports plus shipping and tax is keeping me from buying them.
I have a wrecked t3 and have been curious as to whether I could remove the swingarms and have a good fabrication shop reinforce and extend them an inch. Main convern is finding someone I trust to do the job right. regards,
erik
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From: yuriko@iinet.net.au
Date: Tue, 22 Sep 2009 09:58:29 +0800
Subject: RE: [Syncro_T3_Australia] Re: broke my gear box
Let us find your next place for you! Need a place to rent, buy or share?
Thanks for that info I had no idea any new batches were still being manufactured in that ratio. This r&p ratio must be very sought after as I remember posting about installing a taller 4th gear on syncro.org and was overwhelmed by the amount of pm's I was setn asking if I wanted to trade my 6.17 for a taller ratio. It seems I don't have the luxury of fitting taller tires on my 14" syncro as you do. At best I can bring my gearing to within around 1% of of stock by running 235/75/15 which might be a little low with the extra power of a 2.5l subaru engine. A 0.70 4th might be the solution but at the moment it looks to be a costly exercise especially seeing as my gearbox saw a complete rebuild only 1000ks ago. I have been toying with the idea of buying extended swing arms to run larger tires of 30-31inch but the 1150us price tag from burley motorsports plus shipping and tax is keeping me from buying them.
I have a wrecked t3 and have been curious as to whether I could remove the swingarms and have a good fabrication shop reinforce and extend them an inch. Main convern is finding someone I trust to do the job right. regards,
erik
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From: yuriko@iinet.net.au
Date: Tue, 22 Sep 2009 09:58:29 +0800
Subject: RE: [Syncro_T3_Australia] Re: broke my gear box
Hi Erik
I have a 16” syncro with 6.17 R&P that came as stock with petrol MV engine. I too have been trying to source worldwide for a new one for the past 12 month and have just now been successful in obtaining one from GoWesty
www.gowesty. com It appears they had an exclusive batch manufactured with this ratio and also the 5.43 and 5.83 ratios. If you are thinking of going with the larger 16” tyres then the 6.17 ratio is the way to go – it gives the right gearing for the larger diameter wheels without modifying the 3rd & 4th gear ratios. ie the gearbox ratios remain stock. Incidentally they also have these three ratios available for the front diff ring and pinion. As you know both front and rear diffs have to have matching ratios.
Regards
Yurik
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[mailto:Syncro_ T3_Australia@ yahoogroups. com] On Behalf Of erik h
Sent: Tuesday, 22 September 2009 9:00 AM
To: Syncro_T3_Australia @yahoogroups. com
Subject: [Syncro_T3_Australi a] Re: broke my gear box
Just out of interest where would you buy a 6.17
ring and pinion? I spent 6 months trying to track one down from the uk as this
ratio is incredibly rare being that they were found only in the 16" diesel
syncro's. I'll be bashing myself if I find out there's somebody still
manufacturing this ratio. I know only of albins having made the 5.43 ring and
pinion and heard they would only make more if (x) amount of units were
purchased?
Let us find your next place for you! Need a place to rent, buy or share?
Eric,
I have a Syncro 16 myself. Same ratio as Yurik though my rig came with the 1.6 turbodiesel engine (JX engine code). That ratio is great for offroad work but can be quite annoying for highway distance driving. I now have an 1.9td (code AAZ) which seems to scream for even taller gearing.
Nevertheless, I am keeping the present ratios because I am unwilling to trade more comfortable highway driving for a compromise on the trail. The Syncro is not my daily driver anyway. To make the truck easier to live with, I put on so-called rubber gears. I installed 17" wheels with even taller tires for normal use. I keep the steel 16" wheels for planned offroad excursions.
You want to check with Burley on that pricing. I seem to recall reading somewhere that he was doing extended arms as low as $750 USD. I could be wrong though. That was US pricing too.
BenT
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Hey Yurik,
Thanks for that info I had no idea any new batches were still being manufactured in that ratio. This r&p ratio must be very sought after as I remember posting about installing a taller 4th gear on syncro.org and was overwhelmed by the amount of pm's I was setn asking if I wanted to trade my 6.17 for a taller ratio. It seems I don't have the luxury of fitting taller tires on my 14" syncro as you do. At best I can bring my gearing to within around 1% of of stock by running 235/75/15 which might be a little low with the extra power of a 2.5l subaru engine. A 0.70 4th might be the solution but at the moment it looks to be a costly exercise especially seeing as my gearbox saw a complete rebuild only 1000ks ago. I have been toying with the idea of buying extended swing arms to run larger tires of 30-31inch but the 1150us price tag from burley motorsports plus shipping and tax is keeping me from buying them.
I have a wrecked t3 and have been curious as to whether I could remove the swingarms and have a good fabrication shop reinforce and extend them an inch. Main convern is finding someone I trust to do the job right. regards,
erik
To: Syncro_T3_Australia@yahoogroups.com
From: yuriko@iinet.net.au
Date: Tue, 22 Sep 2009 09:58:29 +0800
Subject: RE: [Syncro_T3_Australia] Re: broke my gear box
Hi Erik
I have a 16” syncro with 6.17 R&P that came as stock with petrol MV engine. I too have been trying to source worldwide for a new one for the past 12 month and have just now been successful in obtaining one from GoWesty
www.gowesty. com It appears they had an exclusive batch manufactured with this ratio and also the 5.43 and 5.83 ratios. If you are thinking of going with the larger 16” tyres then the 6.17 ratio is the way to go – it gives the right gearing for the larger diameter wheels without modifying the 3rd & 4th gear ratios. ie the gearbox ratios remain stock. Incidentally they also have these three ratios available for the front diff ring and pinion. As you know both front and rear diffs have to have matching ratios.
Regards
Yurik
From: Syncro_T3_Australia @yahoogroups. com [mailto:Syncro_ T3_Australia@ yahoogroups. com] On Behalf Of erik h
Sent: Tuesday, 22 September 2009 9:00 AM
To: Syncro_T3_Australia @yahoogroups. com
Subject: [Syncro_T3_Australi a] Re: broke my gear box
Just out of interest where would you buy a 6.17 ring and pinion? I spent 6 months trying to track one down from the uk as this ratio is incredibly rare being that they were found only in the 16" diesel syncro's. I'll be bashing myself if I find out there's somebody still manufacturing this ratio. I know only of albins having made the 5.43 ring and pinion and heard they would only make more if (x) amount of units were purchased?
Let us find your next place for you! Need a place to rent, buy or share?
--- In Syncro_T3_Australia@yahoogroups.com, "bergodaz" <bergodaz@...>
Hi Eddie. No the 2wd crown wheel and pinion won't fit a 4wd box regardless of ratios. The 4wd shaft that the pinion is part of is much longer. Lots of other bits in the 2wd box are compatable so your 2wd box is valuable for other bits. In an earlier post Neil recommended Ron Schmidt in Kempsey. I also cant recommend him highly enough. He rebuilt my box for a very reasonable price,better than the original. Ron spends a lot of time with Albins gears designing boxes which are sought after all over the world in racing circles. Bill.
Hi Eddie. No the 2wd crown wheel and pinion won't fit a 4wd box regardless of ratios. The 4wd shaft that the pinion is part of is much longer. Lots of other bits in the 2wd box are compatable so your 2wd box is valuable for other bits. In an earlier post Neil recommended Ron Schmidt in Kempsey. I also cant recommend him highly enough. He rebuilt my box for a very reasonable price,better than the original. Ron spends a lot of time with Albins gears designing boxes which are sought after all over the world in racing circles. Bill.