Dirty gear oil

1
Hi & happy new year to all.
My year started with my rebuilt syncro box finally making its way into my van and working perfectly with the new ratios and diff from Albins gears.After about 300 kays I spotted an oil leak coming from the cover just in front of the oil filler plug, so I decided to fix it myself before I lost too much of the pricey red line oil.After draining the oil I started to worry again.The clean new oil had already turned a murky brown with gold coloured metallic flecks through it ,like a mettalic paint.Does any body know if a new gearbox does this to start with, or is this abnormal wear that I should take up with my mechanic . Thanks in advance for any replies , cheers, Eddie.
2

Hi Eddi,

 

You should stop using the box with immediate effect. It is faulty. Full stop. I carried on using it, because we had to move from the farm to town. I did 43 trips with my newly rebuilt gearbox knowing that something wasn’t right, 5000 klms after the rebuilt  I  took out the oil plug, it looked like a Christmas Tree with shavings. I  took the box to Rudi at Bribie and because  I  got burnt 1st time round I checked the plug after +- 3000 klms ....clean as a whistle,  I  am happy. I paid twice the full amount . So, if you don’t check it now you might end up with a massive repair bill too.    hartmut

 

From: Syncro_T3_Australia@yahoogroups.com [mailto:Syncro_T3_Australia@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of bergodaz
Sent: Sunday, 3 January 2010 6:40 PM
To: Syncro_T3_Australia@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [Syncro_T3_Australia] Dirty gear oil

 

 

Hi & happy new year to all.
My year started with my rebuilt syncro box finally making its way into my van and working perfectly with the new ratios and diff from Albins gears.After about 300 kays I spotted an oil leak coming from the cover just in front of the oil filler plug, so I decided to fix it myself before I lost too much of the pricey red line oil.After draining the oil I started to worry again.The clean new oil had already turned a murky brown with gold coloured metallic flecks through it ,like a mettalic paint.Does any body know if a new gearbox does this to start with, or is this abnormal wear that I should take up with my mechanic . Thanks in advance for any replies , cheers, Eddie.

3
Eddie,
Oh dear. Not good.
Hartmut is spot on. He could write a book on "How to rebuild a Syncro transmission ... badly".
What you need is a competant Syncro transmission rebuilder. Seems you haven't found one yet. Check the approved workshop list in the forum.
Ken



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From: bergodaz <bergodaz@ozemail.com.au>
Sent: Sunday, 3 January 2010 6:40 PM
To: Syncro_T3_Australia@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [Syncro_T3_Australia] Dirty gear oil


Hi & happy new year to all.
My year started with my rebuilt syncro box finally making its way into my van and working perfectly with the new ratios and diff from Albins gears.After about 300 kays I spotted an oil leak coming from the cover just in front of the oil filler plug, so I decided to fix it myself before I lost too much of the pricey red line oil.After draining the oil I started to worry again.The clean new oil had already turned a murky brown with gold coloured metallic flecks through it ,like a mettalic paint.Does any body know if a new gearbox does this to start with, or is this abnormal wear that I should take up with my mechanic . Thanks in advance for any replies , cheers, Eddie.
4

Eddie,

A vital part of keeping our Syncros on the road is the life of the gearbox and it is apparent that there are very few workshops that have the required expertise to rebuild them correctly. 

The subject recurs regularly on the Syncro forums and is one of the reasons that we have established a Workshop Database.  Given how much a correct rebuild costs, it is counter-productive to use any workshop that does not have a well established track record with the 094 gearbox.

Another gearbox topic that comes up regularly is the best oil to use.  When I had to get my gearbox rebuilt two years ago, I looked into the oil question, largely because there was much conflicting opinion about the best oil to use.   I spoke with three people who have extensive experience with the 094 box and also with desert racing buggy gearboxes. 

All three were of the opinion that Redline was adequate for low duty use (city cycle) and that it provided easy, smooth gear changes when the gearbox was stone cold.  But all three were of the opinion that the 094 box lasted a lot longer with the originally specified mineral oil.  Their considered opinion, based on many road-going and racing gearboxes, was that the specified mineral oil provides a cushioning on the contact surfaces of running teeth that the synthetic does not.  There is a downside, and that is winter morning cold start gear changes have to be executed very slowly until the gearbox gets some temperature into it

Whilst I am not suggesting that the Redline caused your failure, I would suggest that you consider mineral oil henceforth.

Les

 

From: Syncro_T3_Australia@yahoogroups.com [mailto: Syncro_T3_Australia@yahoogroups.com ] On Behalf Of bergodaz
Sent: 03 January 2010 18:40
To: Syncro_T3_Australia@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [Syncro_T3_Australia] Dirty gear oil

 

 

Hi & happy new year to all.
My year started with my rebuilt syncro box finally making its way into my van and working perfectly with the new ratios and diff from Albins gears.After about 300 kays I spotted an oil leak coming from the cover just in front of the oil filler plug, so I decided to fix it myself before I lost too much of the pricey red line oil.After draining the oil I started to worry again.The clean new oil had already turned a murky brown with gold coloured metallic flecks through it ,like a mettalic paint.Does any body know if a new gearbox does this to start with, or is this abnormal wear that I should take up with my mechanic . Thanks in advance for any replies , cheers, Eddie.

5
Sorry to hear about your troubles, Eddie. Best of luck with sorting it out. Did your mechanic offer any kind of warranty on the repair?

Francesca.

On Mon, Jan 4, 2010 at 12:46 PM, Les Harris <leslieharris@optusnet.com.au> wrote:

Eddie,

A vital part of keeping our Syncros on the road is the life of the gearbox and it is apparent that there are very few workshops that have the required expertise to rebuild them correctly.

The subject recurs regularly on the Syncro forums and is one of the reasons that we have established a Workshop Database. Given how much a correct rebuild costs, it is counter-productive to use any workshop that does not have a well established track record with the 094 gearbox.

Another gearbox topic that comes up regularly is the best oil to use. When I had to get my gearbox rebuilt two years ago, I looked into the oil question, largely because there was much conflicting opinion about the best oil to use. I spoke with three people who have extensive experience with the 094 box and also with desert racing buggy gearboxes.

All three were of the opinion that Redline was adequate for low duty use (city cycle) and that it provided easy, smooth gear changes when the gearbox was stone cold. But all three were of the opinion that the 094 box lasted a lot longer with the originally specified mineral oil. Their considered opinion, based on many road-going and racing gearboxes, was that the specified mineral oil provides a cushioning on the contact surfaces of running teeth that the synthetic does not. There is a downside, and that is winter morning cold start gear changes have to be executed very slowly until the gearbox gets some temperature into it

Whilst I am not suggesting that the Redline caused your failure, I would suggest that you consider mineral oil henceforth.

Les

From: Syncro_T3_Australia@yahoogroups.com [mailto:Syncro_T3_Australia@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of bergodaz
Sent: 03 January 2010 18:40


To: Syncro_T3_Australia@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [Syncro_T3_Australia] Dirty gear oil

Hi & happy new year to all.


My year started with my rebuilt syncro box finally making its way into my van and working perfectly with the new ratios and diff from Albins gears.After about 300 kays I spotted an oil leak coming from the cover just in front of the oil filler plug, so I decided to fix it myself before I lost too much of the pricey red line oil.After draining the oil I started to worry again.The clean new oil had already turned a murky brown with gold coloured metallic flecks through it ,like a mettalic paint.Does any body know if a new gearbox does this to start with, or is this abnormal wear that I should take up with my mechanic . Thanks in advance for any replies , cheers, Eddie.


6
Thanks for the sympathy & other replies.My mechanic is a vw specialist and has had experience with all vw boxes.As for warranty they always give a 6 month 20000 k warranty on all repairs.I doubt I'll have any problem in getting the problem rectified as they have had my business for the last 20 years.Just hope no major damage has occured.On the oil issue ,Im sure it will be a point of discussion between the mechanic & I.Their shop opens again tomorrow, so I will
have more answers after that.Thanks again Eddie.
--- In Syncro_T3_Australia@yahoogroups.com, Francesca Coles <fcoles6@...> wrote:
>
> Sorry to hear about your troubles, Eddie. Best of luck with sorting it out.
> Did your mechanic offer any kind of warranty on the repair?
>
> Francesca.
>
> On Mon, Jan 4, 2010 at 12:46 PM, Les Harris <leslieharris@...>wrote:
>
> >
> >
> > Eddie,
> >
> > A vital part of keeping our Syncros on the road is the life of the gearbox
> > and it is apparent that there are *very *few workshops that have the
> > required expertise to rebuild them correctly.
> >
> > The subject recurs regularly on the Syncro forums and is one of the reasons
> > that we have established a Workshop Database. Given how much a correct
> > rebuild costs, it is counter-productive to use any workshop that does not
> > have a well established track record with the 094 gearbox.
> >
> > Another gearbox topic that comes up regularly is the best oil to use. When
> > I had to get my gearbox rebuilt two years ago, I looked into the oil
> > question, largely because there was much conflicting opinion about the best
> > oil to use. I spoke with three people who have extensive experience with
> > the 094 box and also with desert racing buggy gearboxes.
> >
> > All three were of the opinion that Redline was adequate for low duty use
> > (city cycle) and that it provided easy, smooth gear changes when the gearbox
> > was stone cold. But all three were of the opinion that the 094 box lasted a
> > lot longer with the originally specified mineral oil. Their considered
> > opinion, based on many road-going and racing gearboxes, was that the
> > specified mineral oil provides a cushioning on the contact surfaces of
> > running teeth that the synthetic does not. There is a downside, and that is
> > winter morning cold start gear changes have to be executed very slowly until
> > the gearbox gets some temperature into it
> >
> > Whilst I am not suggesting that the Redline caused your failure, I would
> > suggest that you consider mineral oil henceforth.
> >
> > Les
> >
> >
> > ------------------------------
> >
> > *From:* Syncro_T3_Australia@yahoogroups.com [mailto:
> > Syncro_T3_Australia@yahoogroups.com] *On Behalf Of *bergodaz
> > *Sent:* 03 January 2010 18:40
> >
> > *To:* Syncro_T3_Australia@yahoogroups.com
> > *Subject:* [Syncro_T3_Australia] Dirty gear oil
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > Hi & happy new year to all.
> >
> > My year started with my rebuilt syncro box finally making its way into my
> > van and working perfectly with the new ratios and diff from Albins
> > gears.After about 300 kays I spotted an oil leak coming from the cover just
> > in front of the oil filler plug, so I decided to fix it myself before I lost
> > too much of the pricey red line oil.After draining the oil I started to
> > worry again.The clean new oil had already turned a murky brown with gold
> > coloured metallic flecks through it ,like a mettalic paint.Does any body
> > know if a new gearbox does this to start with, or is this abnormal wear that
> > I should take up with my mechanic . Thanks in advance for any replies ,
> > cheers, Eddie.
> >
> >
> >
>
7
Hi eddie. It is possible to send an oil sample to an analyst who can tell you what's going on inside your box. Some trucking companies use this service to monitor geagbox condition and change intervals. Maybe someone on the list knows about this. It would be very handy for your mechanic to eliminate some of the guess work. Good luck. Bill.
8
Les,
 
When it comes to syncro topics, from what I have observed and read here and elsewhere over time, the two most controversial topics by a country mile would have to be VC functionality and transmission oil selection. They both get a good old flogging every so often and no holds barred from advocates from both sides of the fence.
 
Concerning mineral vs full synthetic transmission oils, it's interesting to note then that there are divergent views amongst our approved list of syncro workshops.
 
Now if the experts that we need to select from hold divergent views, where does that leave the average punter like us seeking to know the best way forward? Perhaps then it can only come down to who one believes in at the time and fingers crossed?
 
Concerning Redline full synthetic transmission oil, the last time I saw this topic raging on the US syncro forum, mostly about choices of synthetic brands and type, I came away from it with the impression from persons with standing and contributing to that debate, concluded that Redline was the least preferred synthetic choice, that in fact that brands hype didn't live up to the performance claims. So in other words, if someone chooses synthetic, then there are superior alternatives anyway.
 
Mineral oils for the syncro transmission have been around for at least as far back as when the first syncro was built. Synthetic oils by comparison, for the average joe consumer, a whole lot less. Perhaps then the jury is still out on synthetics. There appear to be many who do use it, myself included. I think it'd be really helpful to this forum to hear from any member here or elsewhere who has used full synthetic transmission oil in their syncro over a longish time period and can comment here on their actual experiences with it. After all, by comparison over the past 25 years, there have been a heck of a lot of mineral oil filled transmissions that have had to be re-built. Be nice then to hear about longer term use synthetic oil filled transmissions as well. In my case, I haven't done enough k's to have a view either way.
 
Cheers.
 
Ken
 
To: Syncro_T3_Australia@yahoogroups.com
From: leslieharris@optusnet.com.au
Date: Mon, 4 Jan 2010 12:46:58 +1100
Subject: RE: [Syncro_T3_Australia] Dirty gear oil

 

Eddie,

A vital part of keeping our Syncros on the road is the life of the gearbox and it is apparent that there are very few workshops that have the required expertise to rebuild them correctly. 

The subject recurs regularly on the Syncro forums and is one of the reasons that we have established a Workshop Database.  Given how much a correct rebuild costs, it is counter-productive to use any workshop that does not have a well established track record with the 094 gearbox.

Another gearbox topic that comes up regularly is the best oil to use.  When I had to get my gearbox rebuilt two years ago, I looked into the oil question, largely because there was much conflicting opinion about the best oil to use.   I spoke with three people who have extensive experience with the 094 box and also with desert racing buggy gearboxes. 

All three were of the opinion that Redline was adequate for low duty use (city cycle) and that it provided easy, smooth gear changes when the gearbox was stone cold.  But all three were of the opinion that the 094 box lasted a lot longer with the originally specified mineral oil.  Their considered opinion, based on many road-going and racing gearboxes, was that the specified mineral oil provides a cushioning on the contact surfaces of running teeth that the synthetic does not.  There is a downside, and that is winter morning cold start gear changes have to be executed very slowly until the gearbox gets some temperature into it

Whilst I am not suggesting that the Redline caused your failure, I would suggest that you consider mineral oil henceforth.

Les

 

From: Syncro_T3_Australia @yahoogroups. com [mailto:Syncro_T3_Australia @yahoogroups. com] On Behalf Of bergodaz
Sent: 03 January 2010 18:40
To: Syncro_T3_Australia @yahoogroups. com
Subject: [Syncro_T3_Australi a] Dirty gear oil

 

 

Hi & happy new year to all.
My year started with my rebuilt syncro box finally making its way into my van and working perfectly with the new ratios and diff from Albins gears.After about 300 kays I spotted an oil leak coming from the cover just in front of the oil filler plug, so I decided to fix it myself before I lost too much of the pricey red line oil.After draining the oil I started to worry again.The clean new oil had already turned a murky brown with gold coloured metallic flecks through it ,like a mettalic paint.Does any body know if a new gearbox does this to start with, or is this abnormal wear that I should take up with my mechanic . Thanks in advance for any replies , cheers, Eddie.


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I was told that the original syncro GL4 oil was synthetic.

What about mineral oils that are called synthetic?

All very confusing!

Phill


> Ken Garratt <unclekenz@hotmail.com> wrote:
>
>
> Les,
>
>
>
> When it comes to syncro topics, from what I have observed and read here
> and elsewhere over time, the two most controversial topics by a country
> mile would have to be VC functionality and transmission oil selection.
> They both get a good old flogging every so often and no holds barred
> from advocates from both sides of the fence.
>
>
>
> Concerning mineral vs full synthetic transmission oils, it's interesting
> to note then that there are divergent views amongst our approved list of
> syncro workshops.
>
>
>
> Now if the experts that we need to select from hold divergent views,
> where does that leave the average punter like us seeking to know the
> best way forward? Perhaps then it can only come down to who one believes
> in at the time and fingers crossed?
>
>
>
> Concerning Redline full synthetic transmission oil, the last time I saw
> this topic raging on the US syncro forum, mostly about choices of
> synthetic brands and type, I came away from it with the impression from
> persons with standing and contributing to that debate, concluded that
> Redline was the least preferred synthetic choice, that in fact that
> brands hype didn't live up to the performance claims. So in other words,
> if someone chooses synthetic, then there are superior alternatives
> anyway.
>
>
>
> Mineral oils for the syncro transmission have been around for at least
> as far back as when the first syncro was built. Synthetic oils by
> comparison, for the average joe consumer, a whole lot less. Perhaps then
> the jury is still out on synthetics. There appear to be many who do use
> it, myself included. I think it'd be really helpful to this forum to
> hear from any member here or elsewhere who has used full synthetic
> transmission oil in their syncro over a longish time period and can
> comment here on their actual experiences with it. After all, by
> comparison over the past 25 years, there have been a heck of a lot of
> mineral oil filled transmissions that have had to be re-built. Be nice
> then to hear about longer term use synthetic oil filled transmissions as
> well. In my case, I haven't done enough k's to have a view either way.
>
>
>
> Cheers.
>
>
>
> Ken
>
>
>
> To: Syncro_T3_Australia@yahoogroups.com
> From: leslieharris@optusnet.com.au
> Date: Mon, 4 Jan 2010 12:46:58 +1100
> Subject: RE: [Syncro_T3_Australia] Dirty gear oil
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> Eddie,
>
> A vital part of keeping our Syncros on the road is the life of the
> gearbox and it is apparent that there are very few workshops that have
> the required expertise to rebuild them correctly.
> The subject recurs regularly on the Syncro forums and is one of the
> reasons that we have established a Workshop Database. Given how much a
> correct rebuild costs, it is counter-productive to use any workshop that
> does not have a well established track record with the 094 gearbox.
> Another gearbox topic that comes up regularly is the best oil to use.
> When I had to get my gearbox rebuilt two years ago, I looked into the
> oil question, largely because there was much conflicting opinion about
> the best oil to use. I spoke with three people who have extensive
> experience with the 094 box and also with desert racing buggy gearboxes.
>
> All three were of the opinion that Redline was adequate for low duty use
> (city cycle) and that it provided easy, smooth gear changes when the
> gearbox was stone cold. But all three were of the opinion that the 094
> box lasted a lot longer with the originally specified mineral oil.
> Their considered opinion, based on many road-going and racing gearboxes,
> was that the specified mineral oil provides a cushioning on the contact
> surfaces of running teeth that the synthetic does not. There is a
> downside, and that is winter morning cold start gear changes have to be
> executed very slowly until the gearbox gets some temperature into it
> Whilst I am not suggesting that the Redline caused your failure, I would
> suggest that you consider mineral oil henceforth.
> Les
>
>
>
>
>
> From: Syncro_T3_Australia@yahoogroups.com
> [mailto:Syncro_T3_Australia@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of bergodaz
> Sent: 03 January 2010 18:40
> To: Syncro_T3_Australia@yahoogroups.com
> Subject: [Syncro_T3_Australia] Dirty gear oil
>
>
>
>
>
> Hi & happy new year to all.
> My year started with my rebuilt syncro box finally making its way into
> my van and working perfectly with the new ratios and diff from Albins
> gears.After about 300 kays I spotted an oil leak coming from the cover
> just in front of the oil filler plug, so I decided to fix it myself
> before I lost too much of the pricey red line oil.After draining the oil
> I started to worry again.The clean new oil had already turned a murky
> brown with gold coloured metallic flecks through it ,like a mettalic
> paint.Does any body know if a new gearbox does this to start with, or is
> this abnormal wear that I should take up with my mechanic . Thanks in
> advance for any replies , cheers, Eddie.
>
>
>
>
>
>
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I can't comment on the syncro oil but in our 2wd we have done over 600K in it and never changed the oil.  It has been out from time to time for inspection but as no one could tell us at the time what was the best replacement oil it simple went back in.  The box is starting to get a bit grumble now so I have pulled it out. I will let you know what I find when I open it up.

Cheers,
Michael Roberts

From: "plander@optusnet.com.au" <plander@optusnet.com.au>
To: Syncro_T3_Australia@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Tue, January 5, 2010 7:35:45 AM
Subject: Re: [Syncro_T3_Australia] RE: Dirty gear oil

 


I was told that the original syncro GL4 oil was synthetic.

What about mineral oils that are called synthetic?

All very confusing!

Phill

> Ken Garratt <unclekenz@hotmail. com> wrote:
>
>
> Les,
>
>
>
> When it comes to syncro topics, from what I have observed and read here
> and elsewhere over time, the two most controversial topics by a country
> mile would have to be VC functionality and transmission oil selection.
> They both get a good old flogging every so often and no holds barred
> from advocates from both sides of the fence.
>
>
>
> Concerning mineral vs full synthetic transmission oils, it's interesting
> to note then that there are divergent views amongst our approved list of
> syncro workshops.
>
>
>
> Now if the experts that we need to select from hold divergent views,
> where does that leave the average punter like us seeking to know the
> best way forward? Perhaps then it can only come down to who one believes
> in at the time and fingers crossed?
>
>
>
> Concerning Redline full synthetic transmission oil, the last time I saw
> this topic raging on the US syncro forum, mostly about choices of
> synthetic brands and type, I came away from it with the impression from
> persons with standing and contributing to that debate, concluded that
> Redline was the least preferred synthetic choice, that in fact that
> brands hype didn't live up to the performance claims. So in other words,
> if someone chooses synthetic, then there are superior alternatives
> anyway.
>
>
>
> Mineral oils for the syncro transmission have been around for at least
> as far back as when the first syncro was built. Synthetic oils by
> comparison, for the average joe consumer, a whole lot less. Perhaps then
> the jury is still out on synthetics. There appear to be many who do use
> it, myself included. I think it'd be really helpful to this forum to
> hear from any member here or elsewhere who has used full synthetic
> transmission oil in their syncro over a longish time period and can
> comment here on their actual experiences with it. After all, by
> comparison over the past 25 years, there have been a heck of a lot of
> mineral oil filled transmissions that have had to be re-built. Be nice
> then to hear about longer term use synthetic oil filled transmissions as
> well. In my case, I haven't done enough k's to have a view either way.
>
>
>
> Cheers.
>
>
>
> Ken
>
>
>
> To: Syncro_T3_Australia @yahoogroups. com
> From: leslieharris@ optusnet. com.au
> Date: Mon, 4 Jan 2010 12:46:58 +1100
> Subject: RE: [Syncro_T3_Australi a] Dirty gear oil
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> Eddie,
>
> A vital part of keeping our Syncros on the road is the life of the
> gearbox and it is apparent that there are very few workshops that have
> the required expertise to rebuild them correctly.
> The subject recurs regularly on the Syncro forums and is one of the
> reasons that we have established a Workshop Database. Given how much a
> correct rebuild costs, it is counter-productive to use any workshop that
> does not have a well established track record with the 094 gearbox.
> Another gearbox topic that comes up regularly is the best oil to use.
> When I had to get my gearbox rebuilt two years ago, I looked into the
> oil question, largely because there was much conflicting opinion about
> the best oil to use. I spoke with three people who have extensive
> experience with the 094 box and also with desert racing buggy gearboxes.
>
> All three were of the opinion that Redline was adequate for low duty use
> (city cycle) and that it provided easy, smooth gear changes when the
> gearbox was stone cold. But all three were of the opinion that the 094
> box lasted a lot longer with the originally specified mineral oil.
> Their considered opinion, based on many road-going and racing gearboxes,
> was that the specified mineral oil provides a cushioning on the contact
> surfaces of running teeth that the synthetic does not. There is a
> downside, and that is winter morning cold start gear changes have to be
> executed very slowly until the gearbox gets some temperature into it
> Whilst I am not suggesting that the Redline caused your failure, I would
> suggest that you consider mineral oil henceforth.
> Les
>
>
>
>
>
> From: Syncro_T3_Australia @yahoogroups. com
> [mailto:Syncro_T3_Australia @yahoogroups. com] On Behalf Of bergodaz
> Sent: 03 January 2010 18:40
> To: Syncro_T3_Australia @yahoogroups. com
> Subject: [Syncro_T3_Australi a] Dirty gear oil
>
>
>
>
>
> Hi & happy new year to all.
> My year started with my rebuilt syncro box finally making its way into
> my van and working perfectly with the new ratios and diff from Albins
> gears.After about 300 kays I spotted an oil leak coming from the cover
> just in front of the oil filler plug, so I decided to fix it myself
> before I lost too much of the pricey red line oil.After draining the oil
> I started to worry again.The clean new oil had already turned a murky
> brown with gold coloured metallic flecks through it ,like a mettalic
> paint.Does any body know if a new gearbox does this to start with, or is
> this abnormal wear that I should take up with my mechanic . Thanks in
> advance for any replies , cheers, Eddie.
>
>
>
>
>
>
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