DOVW Meeting

1
Hi Les,

Sorry to hear that you are not coming to the DOVW Meeting. We were
looking forward to seeing you there again and picking your brains on
all things Syncro. A friend of mine has promised to turn up as well.
For me, it is going to be the longest trip since the LPG conversion.

So far, no time to go anywhere ( too much work with the water tank).
By the way, is there any news on the 14" tyre discussion? I need new
ones in the next couple of weeks for myself. I had a look at the
internet but no joy - only Dunlop's Adventure. I would prefer to stick
with stock standard.
Is there any chnce of you changing your mind about attending the DOVW?

Cheers,
Theo & Christine
2
OK, there has been enough response for me to change my mind and go tomorrow.
 
I will be there at opening time and try to get a spot such that we can get the Syncros together.
 
Last year, the amount of space allotted for all Type 2's was about half of what actually turned up, with the result that late-coming T2's were spread all over the racecourse and a number of late arriving Syncro owners didn't even find the few of us who did manage to get into the T2 area.
 
In defence of the VW Club, the attendance of all VW groups was far in excess of what they anticipated.  Having organized similar events for sports aircraft, I have first hand experience of the difficulty of estimating attendance. 
 
I sent two emails to the club seeking clarification of this year's arrangements but received no reply, so we are going to have to take pot luck.  I will try to make some arrangements at the gate when I arrive.
 
Brian, are you going to bring your new acquisition for us to marvel over?
 
Theo, see you there.
 
Gary, see you there.
 
Andy, see you there.
 
All, ask at the gate when you arrive to see if an area has been allocated for Syncros.  If not, try the T2 area.
 
Les
 
----- Original Message -----
From: Theo Weiss
Sent: Saturday, November 24, 2007 8:38 AM
Subject: [Syncro_T3_Australia] DOVW Meeting

Hi Les,

Sorry to hear that you are not coming to the DOVW Meeting. We were
looking forward to seeing you there again and picking your brains on
all things Syncro. A friend of mine has promised to turn up as well.
For me, it is going to be the longest trip since the LPG conversion.

So far, no time to go anywhere ( too much work with the water tank).
By the way, is there any news on the 14" tyre discussion? I need new
ones in the next couple of weeks for myself. I had a look at the
internet but no joy - only Dunlop's Adventure. I would prefer to stick
with stock standard.
Is there any chnce of you changing your mind about attending the DOVW?

Cheers,
Theo & Christine

3

Hi Les,

 

Yes, I’ll be there with the Trakkadu. Judging groups all the watercooled vans together, although there is a separate section for campers, which is where I’ve entered.  There is only one general area for vans in the parking arrangements though. It still doesn’t look all that big, although the layout I saw was probably not to scale.  Best bet is to arrive as early and as a group, but it’s probably too late to organize that now. I hope to be there by 9.30.

 

PS, Les.  Remind me that I’ve still got a copy of the ‘T3 Syncro Stuff’ DVD I collected for you at Bateman’s Bay. Our paths just don’t seem to have crossed this year.

 

Time to go back to the polishing rags now.  These things sure take a lot of cleaning after a long and dusty road trip.

 

BRIAN REED

FAIRFIELD NATURAL THERAPIES

185 Wingrove St

Fairfield, Vic. 3078

03 9481 5673   0407 319 521

From: Syncro_T3_Australia@yahoogroups.com [mailto: Syncro_T3_Australia@yahoogroups.com ] On Behalf Of Les Harris
Sent: Saturday, 24 November 2007 9:42 AM
To: Syncro_T3_Australia@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [Syncro_T3_Australia] DOVW Meeting

 

OK, there has been enough response for me to change my mind and go tomorrow.

 

I will be there at opening time and try to get a spot such that we can get the Syncros together.

 

Last year, the amount of space allotted for all Type 2's was about half of what actually turned up, with the result that late-coming T2's were spread all over the racecourse and a number of late arriving Syncro owners didn't even find the few of us who did manage to get into the T2 area.

 

In defence of the VW Club, the attendance of all VW groups was far in excess of what they anticipated.  Having organized similar events for sports aircraft, I have first hand experience of the difficulty of estimating attendance. 

 

I sent two emails to the club seeking clarification of this year's arrangements but received no reply, so we are going to have to take pot luck.  I will try to make some arrangements at the gate when I arrive.

 

Brian, are you going to bring your new acquisition for us to marvel over?

 

Theo, see you there.

 

Gary, see you there.

 

Andy, see you there.

 

All, ask at the gate when you arrive to see if an area has been allocated for Syncros.  If not, try the T2 area.

 

Les

 

----- Original Message -----

From: Theo Weiss

Sent: Saturday, November 24, 2007 8:38 AM

Subject: [Syncro_T3_Australi a] DOVW Meeting

 

Hi Les,

Sorry to hear that you are not coming to the DOVW Meeting. We were
looking forward to seeing you there again and picking your brains on
all things Syncro. A friend of mine has promised to turn up as well.
For me, it is going to be the longest trip since the LPG conversion.

So far, no time to go anywhere ( too much work with the water tank).
By the way, is there any news on the 14" tyre discussion? I need new
ones in the next couple of weeks for myself. I had a look at the
internet but no joy - only Dunlop's Adventure. I would prefer to stick
with stock standard.
Is there any chnce of you changing your mind about attending the DOVW?

Cheers,
Theo & Christine

4
Brian,
 
You did a lot better than I did in trying to get information!!
 
If the T2 area is the same as last year and they get the same attendance of vehicles, we will have the same problem.
 
However, there are only a few takers from our group so it would be worth trying to meet outside the gates and go in as a group. 
 
The gates open at 0900, so let's try for meeting outside the gates between 0900 and 0930 and see if it works.
 
Les
 
----- Original Message -----
From: Brian Reed
Sent: Saturday, November 24, 2007 10:47 AM
Subject: RE: [Syncro_T3_Australia] DOVW Meeting

Hi Les,

Yes, I’ll be there with the Trakkadu. Judging groups all the watercooled vans together, although there is a separate section for campers, which is where I’ve entered.  There is only one general area for vans in the parking arrangements though. It still doesn’t look all that big, although the layout I saw was probably not to scale.  Best bet is to arrive as early and as a group, but it’s probably too late to organize that now. I hope to be there by 9.30.

PS, Les.  Remind me that I’ve still got a copy of the ‘T3 Syncro Stuff’ DVD I collected for you at Bateman’s Bay. Our paths just don’t seem to have crossed this year.

Time to go back to the polishing rags now.  These things sure take a lot of cleaning after a long and dusty road trip.

BRIAN REED

FAIRFIELD NATURAL THERAPIES

185 Wingrove St

Fairfield, Vic. 3078

03 9481 5673   0407 319 521

.

5
I have looked at the B F Goodrich website and regret to report that the great 27 X 8.5 X 14 All Terrain has disappeared from their chart of sizes.  It had to happen, I suppose.  Very sad stuff
 
Les
 regret to report that
6
Thanks Les, that is a shame. I guess i'm left with light truck tyres
or the dunlop adventures.

See you there tomorrow.

Thanks to Brian for the bullbar link, good spot.

Cheers

Gary


Quoting Les Harris <leslieharris@optushome.com.au>:

> I have looked at the B F Goodrich website and regret to report that
> the great 27 X 8.5 X 14 All Terrain has disappeared from their chart
> of sizes. It had to happen, I suppose. Very sad stuff
>
> Les
> regret to report that
7
Gary, have a look at Toyo's range .Ithink they still make an M65 tyre in the size you want .Good luck,Eddie Bergodaz.
----- Original Message -----
Sent: Saturday, November 24, 2007 9:14 PM
Subject: Re: Re: [Syncro_T3_Australia] DOVW Meeting

Thanks Les, that is a shame. I guess i'm left with light truck tyres
or the dunlop adventures.

See you there tomorrow.

Thanks to Brian for the bullbar link, good spot.

Cheers

Gary

Quoting Les Harris <leslieharris@ optushome. com.au>:

> I have looked at the B F Goodrich website and regret to report that
> the great 27 X 8.5 X 14 All Terrain has disappeared from their chart
> of sizes. It had to happen, I suppose. Very sad stuff
>
> Les
> regret to report that

8
All-terrain tyres on standard rims
Thanks Eddie, they do indeed make a tyre that would fit the standard syncro rims.

I’ve attached a pdf with the spec in case anyone is interested. The only problem I can see is that they are really designed for majority off-road use.

regards

Gary
 
 

Gary, have a look at Toyo's range .Ithink they still make an M65 tyre in the size you want .Good luck,Eddie Bergodaz.

----- Original Message -----
 
From:  gary@twentytwentyone.net
 
To: Syncro_T3_Australia@yahoogroups.com  
 
Sent: Saturday, November 24, 2007 9:14  PM
 
Subject: Re: Re: [Syncro_T3_Australia]  DOVW Meeting
 

 
 

Thanks Les, that is a shame. I guess i'm left with light truck tyres
or  the dunlop adventures.

See you there tomorrow.

Thanks to Brian  for the bullbar link, good spot.

Cheers

Gary

Quoting Les  Harris <leslieharris@optushome.com.au>:

>  I have looked at the B F Goodrich website and regret to report that
>  the great 27 X 8.5 X 14 All Terrain has disappeared from their chart
>  of sizes. It had to happen, I suppose. Very sad stuff
>
>  Les
> regret to report that


    
9
P2 bumpers info Hi all

With thanks to Greg I’ve created a couple of A4 pages with the details of the P2 bumpers and posted them to the site.

I’ve also created a pdf if anyone wants one.

I will try and find a fabricator and get a quote and let you all how I get on in case there is an option for a bulk discount.

Regards

Gary
10
The annual Victorian Day of the Volkswagen was held yesterday at the Cranbourne Racecourse.
 
The start wasn't at all promising but it actually finished very well.
 
I arrived at 0800 to check out the area allotted for the T2's and found that it was even smaller than last year, so I stayed outside in the carpark in an obvious position so that I could snag the incoming Syncros.  This worked and we soon had:
Theo Weiss and (missed her name)
Werner Tritt and Alice
Mark Boys and Michelle
Andy Sinclair and Ryoko
 
Andy did some space checking inside and found that the space allocated to the Karmanns was about one fifth full.  He rounded up an official and got the nod for us to park together in this area.  This worked vey well and we had five Syncros in a line.  (When I left in the afternoon, I found two more parked outside the racecourse, so I left Syncro_T3_Australia cards on their windscreens.) It was a very good spot, good grass and under very shady trees.  Thanks, Andy.  This particularly pleased Mark Boys, who was hoping for some grass for Michelle and the two very young children - one baby and one toddler. 
 
We had the usual stream of interested people, significantly more than last year when we couldn't park together. 
 
Brian Reed brought his T5 Trakkadu but had entered it for show judging and so was parked in a different area.
 
There was an interesting sidelight.  While we were still parked outside, Mark was telling me about a bronze Syncro that he had owned a long time ago.  It has an unusual mixture of features, all factory fitted.  As Mark was describing it to me - it drove in!!  It is now owned by Andy and Ryoko! 
 
It was a good day and thanks to those who came
 
Les
11
Sorry about that.  I forgot to change the subject line, which should have read "DOTVW Victoria 2007"
 
 
----- Original Message -----
From: Les Harris
Sent: Monday, November 26, 2007 11:33 AM
Subject: Re: [Syncro_T3_Australia] P2 bumpers info

The annual Victorian Day of the Volkswagen was held yesterday at the Cranbourne Racecourse.
 
.

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Hi Gary
I too can recommend the Toyo tyres. Had them fitted on my 91 syncro
and when I sold her they still had massive amount of wear still left
after 55K's, they passed the roadworthy in Victoria which any other
Vic member will attest is very picky and strict. Sticks like glue on
the bituem and of course great off road and on sand. Only drawback a
little noisy on the tar
Cheers
Michael--- In Syncro_T3_Australia@yahoogroups.com, "Eddie Bergodaz"
<bergodaz@...> wrote:
>
> Gary, have a look at Toyo's range .Ithink they still make an M65
tyre in the size you want .Good luck,Eddie Bergodaz.
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: gary@...
> To: Syncro_T3_Australia@yahoogroups.com
> Sent: Saturday, November 24, 2007 9:14 PM
> Subject: Re: Re: [Syncro_T3_Australia] DOVW Meeting
>
>
> Thanks Les, that is a shame. I guess i'm left with light truck tyres
> or the dunlop adventures.
>
> See you there tomorrow.
>
> Thanks to Brian for the bullbar link, good spot.
>
> Cheers
>
> Gary
>
> Quoting Les Harris <leslieharris@...>:
>
> > I have looked at the B F Goodrich website and regret to report that
> > the great 27 X 8.5 X 14 All Terrain has disappeared from their
chart
> > of sizes. It had to happen, I suppose. Very sad stuff
> >
> > Les
> > regret to report that
>
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Re: [Syncro_T3_Australia] DOVW  Meeting
Thanks Michael, good to know. Were they ok on wet roads?

In terms of noise, any worse than other all terrain tyres?

Cheers

Gary
 
 

Hi Gary
I too can recommend the Toyo tyres. Had them fitted on my 91 syncro
and when I sold her they still had massive amount of wear still left
after 55K's, they passed the roadworthy in Victoria which any other
Vic member will attest is very picky and strict. Sticks like glue on
the bituem and of course great off road and on sand. Only drawback a
little noisy on the tar
Cheers
Michael--- In Syncro_T3_Australia@yahoogroups.com <mailto:Syncro_T3_Australia%40yahoogroups.com> , "Eddie Bergodaz"
<bergodaz@...> wrote:
>
> Gary, have a look at Toyo's range .Ithink they still make an M65
tyre in the size you want .Good luck,Eddie Bergodaz.
>   ----- Original Message -----
>   From: gary@...
>   To: Syncro_T3_Australia@yahoogroups.com <mailto:Syncro_T3_Australia%40yahoogroups.com>  
>   Sent: Saturday, November 24, 2007 9:14 PM
>   Subject: Re: Re: [Syncro_T3_Australia] DOVW Meeting
>
>
>   Thanks Les, that is a shame. I guess i'm left with light truck tyres
>   or the dunlop adventures.
>
>   See you there tomorrow.
>
>   Thanks to Brian for the bullbar link, good spot.
>
>   Cheers
>
>   Gary
>
>   Quoting Les Harris <leslieharris@...>:
>
>   > I have looked at the B F Goodrich website and regret to report that
>   > the great 27 X 8.5 X 14 All Terrain has disappeared from their
chart
>   > of sizes. It had to happen, I suppose. Very sad stuff
>   >
>   > Les
>   > regret to report that
>

 
    
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Gary,
 
Noise depends on the design of the tyre tread blocks.  Off road tyres that have big symmetrical blocks set up a harmonic resonance.  In the not too distant past, block tread tyres based on a stiff compound would generate such noise that it could drown out the sound of the engine!  Just about any engine! 
 
Latterly, more compliant compounds reduced this, but the big breakthrough was finding that making the blocks in a series of slightly differing widths and slightly differing pitches broke up the harmonics and brought the road noise right down.  I have had several passengers remark on how quiet my Syncro is then be totally amazed when they see the big block design of the BFG's.  It's all down to the differing pitch/width design.  If you have a choice when looking for tyres, look for this feature.  It is easily seen by eye. 
 
Another thing to look for is tyres which have the outer edge of the rim bead totally shrouded, as in the BFG All Terrains.  This is a highly valuable feature that reduces the risk of rim pinch by a very considerable amount.
 
Les
 
----- Original Message -----
Sent: Monday, November 26, 2007 2:30 PM
Subject: Re: [Syncro_T3_Australia] DOVW Meeting

Thanks Michael, good to know. Were they ok on wet roads?

In terms of noise, any worse than other all terrain tyres?

Cheers

Gary
 
 

Hi Gary
I too can recommend the Toyo tyres. Had them fitted on my 91 syncro
and when I sold her they still had massive amount of wear still left
after 55K's, they passed the roadworthy in Victoria which any other
Vic member will attest is very picky and strict. Sticks like glue on
the bituem and of course great off road and on sand. Only drawback a
little noisy on the tar
Cheers
Michael--- In Syncro_T3_Australia @yahoogroups. com <mailto:Syncro_ T3_Australia% 40yahoogroups. com> , "Eddie Bergodaz"
<bergodaz@...> wrote:
>
> Gary, have a look at Toyo's range .Ithink they still make an M65
tyre in the size you want .Good luck,Eddie Bergodaz.
>   ----- Original Message -----
>   From: gary@...
>   To: Syncro_T3_Australia @yahoogroups. com <mailto:Syncro_ T3_Australia% 40yahoogroups. com>  
>   Sent: Saturday, November 24, 2007 9:14 PM
>   Subject: Re: Re: [Syncro_T3_Australi a] DOVW Meeting
>
>
>   Thanks Les, that is a shame. I guess i'm left with light truck tyres
>   or the dunlop adventures.
>
>   See you there tomorrow.
>
>   Thanks to Brian for the bullbar link, good spot.
>
>   Cheers
>
>   Gary
>
>   Quoting Les Harris <leslieharris@ ...>:
>
>   > I have looked at the B F Goodrich website and regret to report that
>   > the great 27 X 8.5 X 14 All Terrain has disappeared from their
chart
>   > of sizes. It had to happen, I suppose. Very sad stuff
>   >
>   > Les
>   > regret to report that
>

 
    

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Re: [Syncro_T3_Australia] DOVW  Meeting
Thanks Les, you are a mine of info and good to meet you briefly yesterday. I would have liked to have stayed longer but my kids were about to enter meltdown mode!

I’ve tracked down the Toyo tyres in 14inch but there is limited availabilty and they are $230 each.

I’m being offered an all terrain Sava tyre which are made here in Australia in 195 R14 for $143 each.

Phil Lander mentioned problems with the Dunlop Adventurer’s (185 R14) which are the other option that I’ve been offered. Phil do you have any more info?

Cheers

Gary




 
 

Gary,
Noise depends on the design of the tyre tread blocks.  Off road tyres that have big symmetrical blocks set up a harmonic resonance.  In the not too distant past, block tread tyres based on a stiff compound would generate such noise that it could drown out the sound of the engine!  Just about any engine!  
Latterly, more compliant compounds reduced this, but the big breakthrough was finding that making the blocks in a series of slightly differing widths and slightly differing pitches broke up the harmonics and brought the road noise right down.  I have had several passengers remark on how quiet my Syncro is then be totally amazed when they see the big block design of the BFG's.  It's all down to the differing pitch/width design.  If you have a choice when looking for tyres, look for this feature.  It is easily seen by eye.  
Another thing to look for is tyres which have the outer edge of the rim bead totally shrouded, as in the BFG All Terrains.  This is a highly valuable feature that reduces the risk of rim pinch by a very considerable amount.
Les

----- Original Message -----
 
From:  Gary  Cookson <mailto:gary@twentytwentyone.net>  
 
To: Syncro_T3_Australia@yahoogroups.com  
 
Sent: Monday, November 26, 2007 2:30  PM
 
Subject: Re: [Syncro_T3_Australia] DOVW  Meeting
 

 
 

 
Thanks Michael, good to know. Were they ok on wet  roads?

In terms of noise, any worse than other all terrain  tyres?

Cheers

Gary
 
 

Hi Gary
I too  can recommend the Toyo tyres. Had them fitted on my 91 syncro
and when I  sold her they still had massive amount of wear still left
after 55K's,  they passed the roadworthy in Victoria which any other
Vic member will  attest is very picky and strict. Sticks like glue on
the bituem and of  course great off road and on sand. Only drawback a
little noisy on the  tar
Cheers
Michael--- In Syncro_T3_Australia@yahoogroups.com  <mailto:Syncro_T3_Australia%40yahoogroups.com>  , "Eddie Bergodaz"
<bergodaz@...> wrote:
>
> Gary, have  a look at Toyo's range .Ithink they still make an M65
tyre in the size  you want .Good luck,Eddie Bergodaz.
>   ----- Original  Message -----
>   From: gary@...
>   To:  Syncro_T3_Australia@yahoogroups.com <mailto:Syncro_T3_Australia%40yahoogroups.com>   
>   Sent: Saturday, November 24, 2007 9:14 PM
>    Subject: Re: Re: [Syncro_T3_Australia] DOVW Meeting
>  
>
>   Thanks Les, that is a shame. I guess i'm left  with light truck tyres
>   or the dunlop  adventures.
>
>   See you there tomorrow.
>  
>   Thanks to Brian for the bullbar link, good  spot.
>
>   Cheers
>
>    Gary
>
>   Quoting Les Harris  <leslieharris@...>:
>
>   > I have  looked at the B F Goodrich website and regret to report that
>    > the great 27 X 8.5 X 14 All Terrain has disappeared from  their
chart
>   > of sizes. It had to happen, I  suppose. Very sad stuff
>   >
>   >  Les
>   > regret to report  that
>

 
    

 


    
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I would not buy any tyres that are made in Australia.

Very poor quality.

Phill



> Gary Cookson <gary@twentytwentyone.net> wrote:
>
> > Thanks Les, you are a mine of info and good to meet you briefly
> yesterday. I
> > would have liked to have stayed longer but my kids were about to enter
> > meltdown mode!
> >
> > I�ve tracked down the Toyo tyres in 14inch but there is limited
> availabilty
> > and they are $230 each.
> >
> > I�m being offered an all terrain Sava tyre which are made here in
> Australia in
> > 195 R14 for $143 each.
> >
> > Phil Lander mentioned problems with the Dunlop Adventurer�s (185 R14)
> which
> > are the other option that I�ve been offered. Phil do you have any more
> info?
> >
> > Cheers
> >
> > Gary
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > Gary,
> >
> > Noise depends on the design of the tyre tread blocks. Off road tyres
> that
> > have big symmetrical blocks set up a harmonic resonance. In the not
> too
> > distant past, block tread tyres based on a stiff compound would
> generate such
> > noise that it could drown out the sound of the engine! Just about any
> engine!
> >
> > Latterly, more compliant compounds reduced this, but the big
> breakthrough was
> > finding that making the blocks in a series of slightly differing
> widths and
> > slightly differing pitches broke up the harmonics and brought the road
> noise
> > right down. I have had several passengers remark on how quiet my
> Syncro is
> > then be totally amazed when they see the big block design of the
> BFG's. It's
> > all down to the differing pitch/width design. If you have a choice
> when
> > looking for tyres, look for this feature. It is easily seen by eye.
> >
> > Another thing to look for is tyres which have the outer edge of the
> rim bead
> > totally shrouded, as in the BFG All Terrains. This is a highly
> valuable
> > feature that reduces the risk of rim pinch by a very considerable
> amount.
> >
> > Les
> >
> >>
> >> ----- Original Message -----
> >>
> >> From: Gary Cookson <mailto:gary@twentytwentyone.net>
> >>
> >> To: Syncro_T3_Australia@yahoogroups.com
> >>
> >> Sent: Monday, November 26, 2007 2:30 PM
> >>
> >> Subject: Re: [Syncro_T3_Australia] DOVW Meeting
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>> Thanks Michael, good to know. Were they ok on wet roads?
> >>>
> >>> In terms of noise, any worse than other all terrain tyres?
> >>>
> >>> Cheers
> >>>
> >>> Gary
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>> Hi Gary
> >>> I too can recommend the Toyo tyres. Had them fitted on my 91 syncro
> >>> and when I sold her they still had massive amount of wear still
> left
> >>> after 55K's, they passed the roadworthy in Victoria which any other
> >>> Vic member will attest is very picky and strict. Sticks like glue
> on
> >>> the bituem and of course great off road and on sand. Only drawback
> a
> >>> little noisy on the tar
> >>> Cheers
> >>> Michael--- In Syncro_T3_Australia@yahoogroups.com
> >>> <mailto:Syncro_T3_Australia%40yahoogroups.com> , "Eddie Bergodaz"
> >>> <bergodaz@...> wrote:
> >>>> >
> >>>> > Gary, have a look at Toyo's range .Ithink they still make an M65
> >>> tyre in the size you want .Good luck,Eddie Bergodaz.
> >>>> > ----- Original Message -----
> >>>> > From: gary@...
> >>>> > To: Syncro_T3_Australia@yahoogroups.com
> >>>> <mailto:Syncro_T3_Australia%40yahoogroups.com>
> >>>> > Sent: Saturday, November 24, 2007 9:14 PM
> >>>> > Subject: Re: Re: [Syncro_T3_Australia] DOVW Meeting
> >>>> >
> >>>> >
> >>>> > Thanks Les, that is a shame. I guess i'm left with light truck
> tyres
> >>>> > or the dunlop adventures.
> >>>> >
> >>>> > See you there tomorrow.
> >>>> >
> >>>> > Thanks to Brian for the bullbar link, good spot.
> >>>> >
> >>>> > Cheers
> >>>> >
> >>>> > Gary
> >>>> >
> >>>> > Quoting Les Harris <leslieharris@...>:
> >>>> >
> >>>>> > > I have looked at the B F Goodrich website and regret to
> report that
> >>>>> > > the great 27 X 8.5 X 14 All Terrain has disappeared from
> their
> >>> chart
> >>>>> > > of sizes. It had to happen, I suppose. Very sad stuff
> >>>>> > >
> >>>>> > > Les
> >>>>> > > regret to report that
> >>>> >
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >
> >
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Gary
On wet roads thats where they really came into their own, especially
with the additional fab syncro quality, very sure footed very
confident. The noise factor was very acceptable to me, it's just that
some people after stepping out of their limo's think all hell has
broken out. The only time I had to really crank up the the volume of
the radio/cd was on a hot day with the windows wound down. But like
Les says, I think their block patterns were designed in such a way to
eliminate eccessive noise. Gee the price has gone up a fair whack
though. I brought mine for about $160 6 year ago.
Cheers
Michael
Shop around, there good--- In Syncro_T3_Australia@yahoogroups.com,
Gary Cookson <gary@...> wrote:
>
> > Thanks Michael, good to know. Were they ok on wet roads?
> >
> > In terms of noise, any worse than other all terrain tyres?
> >
> > Cheers
> >
> > Gary
> >
> >
> >
> > Hi Gary
> > I too can recommend the Toyo tyres. Had them fitted on my 91 syncro
> > and when I sold her they still had massive amount of wear still left
> > after 55K's, they passed the roadworthy in Victoria which any other
> > Vic member will attest is very picky and strict. Sticks like glue on
> > the bituem and of course great off road and on sand. Only drawback a
> > little noisy on the tar
> > Cheers
> > Michael--- In Syncro_T3_Australia@yahoogroups.com
> > <mailto:Syncro_T3_Australia%40yahoogroups.com> , "Eddie Bergodaz"
> > <bergodaz@> wrote:
> >> >
> >> > Gary, have a look at Toyo's range .Ithink they still make an M65
> > tyre in the size you want .Good luck,Eddie Bergodaz.
> >> > ----- Original Message -----
> >> > From: gary@
> >> > To: Syncro_T3_Australia@yahoogroups.com
> >> <mailto:Syncro_T3_Australia%40yahoogroups.com>
> >> > Sent: Saturday, November 24, 2007 9:14 PM
> >> > Subject: Re: Re: [Syncro_T3_Australia] DOVW Meeting
> >> >
> >> >
> >> > Thanks Les, that is a shame. I guess i'm left with light
truck tyres
> >> > or the dunlop adventures.
> >> >
> >> > See you there tomorrow.
> >> >
> >> > Thanks to Brian for the bullbar link, good spot.
> >> >
> >> > Cheers
> >> >
> >> > Gary
> >> >
> >> > Quoting Les Harris <leslieharris@>:
> >> >
> >>> > > I have looked at the B F Goodrich website and regret to
report that
> >>> > > the great 27 X 8.5 X 14 All Terrain has disappeared from their
> > chart
> >>> > > of sizes. It had to happen, I suppose. Very sad stuff
> >>> > >
> >>> > > Les
> >>> > > regret to report that
> >> >
> >
> >
> >
>
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Gary,
 
Generally speaking, you get what you pay for.  My experience is that this applies particularly to tyres.
 
Always bear in mind that the only thing between alive and well and either dead or badly injured is four patches of rubber about the size of your hand.  
 
What is the difference between dear tyres and expensive tyres?  Those four little patches depend on good design, good engineering, good materials and good manufacture to ensure that the path between the patches and the rim will provide the best grip in all conditions.  The same amount of materials has to go into each tyre and they will cost much the same to manufacture, even allowing for cheaper labour rates in Asian countries.  The difference in cost between very good rubber and piss poor rubber is minimal, so that leaves design and engineering.  Objective tests, some of which I have performed and many of which I have witnessed, very quickly show the gulf between cheap tyres and dear tyres.
 
And it's not just your wellbeing that you have to consider - you have a wife and children.  Would you buy El Cheapo brake linings and pads?  I rest my case.  When you go looking for tyres, take a photo of your wife and children with you for reference when deciding on quality.
 
Here's a little anecdote from not all that long ago.  In the industry, engineers who make it their business to keep track of what is going on in the rest of the world (and sadly, there are some who can't be bothered), will follow up on industry news items.  A tyre engineer came to me one day, laughing so much that he couldn't even speak.  He dropped a news item on my desk that he had just gleaned from the Internet.  It was about an Asian company announcing that they were going to start exporting a cheap line of tyres to the rest of the world.  The name of the company was The (********) Tire and Condom Company.  We wet ourselves laughing and it was extremely hard to concentrate for the rest of the day!!
 
Small point.  The 6" rim will comfortably take a 215 section.  Generally speaking, you are better off with the bigger section.  There are two limiting factors.  The first is that, if the section is too wide for the rim (and there are Tyre & Rim tables that set this out), the tyre squirms on the rim under lateral loads.  The time it takes for the tyre to recover from deflection is many times more than that of the correct fit and the result in terms of steering response is not at all pretty. 
 
The second is that too much either diameter or width can result in to tyre coming into contact with the hardware, and this can include the wheelwell itself, with expensive results.  Offset again comes into the picture.  If a wheel with too much positive offset is used, the inner wall of the tyre moves inwards, thus bringing it closer to the hardware.  Sticking to the correct offset (for the tyre diameter) allows you to use a wider tyre without hitting anything.
 
Les
 
----- Original Message -----
Sent: Monday, November 26, 2007 3:18 PM
Subject: Re: [Syncro_T3_Australia] DOVW Meeting

Thanks Les, you are a mine of info and good to meet you briefly yesterday. I would have liked to have stayed longer but my kids were about to enter meltdown mode!

I’ve tracked down the Toyo tyres in 14inch but there is limited availabilty and they are $230 each.

I’m being offered an all terrain Sava tyre which are made here in Australia in 195 R14 for $143 each.

Phil Lander mentioned problems with the Dunlop Adventurer’s (185 R14) which are the other option that I’ve been offered. Phil do you have any more info?

Cheers

Gary

.

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Re: [Syncro_T3_Australia] DOVW  Meeting
Les, couldn’t agree more but my choices are coming down to availabilty.

I’d never really heard of Toyo tyres until today so my only guide to quality is based on the price which may not be a good guide. They may be expensive because they are hard to get hold of. (The tyre shop had to make 2 calls and they are a Toyo dealer).

Dunlop seems like a better brand to me but Phil Lander has heard bad things about them. I also thought buying something locally made was a good idea but it seems not. Sava is made under a Goodyear controlled factory.

I need to get this truck roadworthy asap or I’d be interested in getting some rims made and going with the BFGs. I’ve got Roger’s tyres on at the moment and they failed the roadworthy.

I’ll ring BFG when I can and see what the score is with the 27 8.5 R14 tyres. I found them listed on the Aus site.

Gary
 
 

Gary,
Generally speaking, you get what you pay for.  My experience is that this applies particularly to tyres.
Always bear in mind that the only thing between alive and well and either dead or badly injured is four patches of rubber about the size of your hand.  
What is the difference between dear tyres and expensive tyres?  Those four little patches depend on good design, good engineering, good materials and good manufacture to ensure that the path between the patches and the rim will provide the best grip in all conditions.  The same amount of materials has to go into each tyre and they will cost much the same to manufacture, even allowing for cheaper labour rates in Asian countries.  The difference in cost between very good rubber and piss poor rubber is minimal, so that leaves design and engineering.  Objective tests, some of which I have performed and many of which I have witnessed, very quickly show the gulf between cheap tyres and dear tyres.
And it's not just your wellbeing that you have to consider - you have a wife and children.  Would you buy El Cheapo brake linings and pads?  I rest my case.  When you go looking for tyres, take a photo of your wife and children with you for reference when deciding on quality.
Here's a little anecdote from not all that long ago.  In the industry, engineers who make it their business to keep track of what is going on in the rest of the world (and sadly, there are some who can't be bothered), will follow up on industry news items.  A tyre engineer came to me one day, laughing so much that he couldn't even speak.  He dropped a news item on my desk that he had just gleaned from the Internet.  It was about an Asian company announcing that they were going to start exporting a cheap line of tyres to the rest of the world.  The name of the company was The (********) Tire and Condom Company.  We wet ourselves laughing and it was extremely hard to concentrate for the rest of the day!!
Small point.  The 6" rim will comfortably take a 215 section.  Generally speaking, you are better off with the bigger section.  There are two limiting factors.  The first is that, if the section is too wide for the rim (and there are Tyre & Rim tables that set this out), the tyre squirms on the rim under lateral loads.  The time it takes for the tyre to recover from deflection is many times more than that of the correct fit and the result in terms of steering response is not at all pretty.  
The second is that too much either diameter or width can result in to tyre coming into contact with the hardware, and this can include the wheelwell itself, with expensive results.  Offset again comes into the picture.  If a wheel with too much positive offset is used, the inner wall of the tyre moves inwards, thus bringing it closer to the hardware.  Sticking to the correct offset (for the tyre diameter) allows you to use a wider tyre without hitting anything.
Les

----- Original Message -----
 
From:  Gary  Cookson <mailto:gary@twentytwentyone.net>  
 
To: Syncro_T3_Australia@yahoogroups.com  
 
Sent: Monday, November 26, 2007 3:18  PM
 
Subject: Re: [Syncro_T3_Australia] DOVW  Meeting
 

 
 

 
Thanks Les, you are a mine of info and good to meet  you briefly yesterday. I would have liked to have stayed longer but my kids  were about to enter meltdown mode!

I’ve tracked down the Toyo tyres  in 14inch but there is limited availabilty and they are $230  each.

I’m being offered an all terrain Sava tyre which are made here  in Australia in 195 R14 for $143 each.

Phil Lander mentioned problems  with the Dunlop Adventurer’s (185 R14) which are the other option that I’ve  been offered. Phil do you have any more  info?

Cheers

Gary


.
 
 

    
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Hello All,

Yes it was a great day last sunday with the weather perfect for the
show,not too hot and the syncros in a perfect environment amongst
shady trees.
Good to see you again Mark,Michelle and the new kids.By the
way...Nice DOKA! Nice to finally put a face to a name,Les and glad to
see a few more turned up for the day,Theo and Christine?(I think)...
Werner and Alice...and Brian. Nice to meet you all. Maybe next year
I'll load the BBQ into the car and we can make a day of it.

I was enjoying chatting syncro with everyone there so much it was hard
to drag myself away to go and look at all the amazing VW's there on
display! Bumped into a couple of friends I'd lost contact with and
hadnt seen in years. We used to have Bay window kombis and spend every
weekend away surfing down the coast and north coast road trip holidays
to that fabulous kombi pilgrimage place,Byron bay. They now have some
immaculately restored Splitty's proving that VW's are actually an
incurable illness. Once bitten by the 'bug' its hard to shake off.

Thanks everyone and look forward to another get together sometime.

Cheers,Andy.


-- In Syncro_T3_Australia@yahoogroups.com, "Les Harris"
<leslieharris@...> wrote:
>
> The annual Victorian Day of the Volkswagen was held yesterday at the
Cranbourne Racecourse.
>
> The start wasn't at all promising but it actually finished very well.
>
> I arrived at 0800 to check out the area allotted for the T2's and
found that it was even smaller than last year, so I stayed outside in
the carpark in an obvious position so that I could snag the incoming
Syncros. This worked and we soon had:
> Theo Weiss and (missed her name)
> Werner Tritt and Alice
> Mark Boys and Michelle
> Andy Sinclair and Ryoko
>
> Andy did some space checking inside and found that the space
allocated to the Karmanns was about one fifth full. He rounded up an
official and got the nod for us to park together in this area. This
worked vey well and we had five Syncros in a line. (When I left in
the afternoon, I found two more parked outside the racecourse, so I
left Syncro_T3_Australia cards on their windscreens.) It was a very
good spot, good grass and under very shady trees. Thanks, Andy. This
particularly pleased Mark Boys, who was hoping for some grass for
Michelle and the two very young children - one baby and one toddler.
>
> We had the usual stream of interested people, significantly more
than last year when we couldn't park together.
>
> Brian Reed brought his T5 Trakkadu but had entered it for show
judging and so was parked in a different area.
>
> There was an interesting sidelight. While we were still parked
outside, Mark was telling me about a bronze Syncro that he had owned a
long time ago. It has an unusual mixture of features, all factory
fitted. As Mark was describing it to me - it drove in!! It is now
owned by Andy and Ryoko!
>
> It was a good day and thanks to those who came
>
> Les
>