Home grown maintenance

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Dave,

 

What's typically available near me from VW parts suppliers is german product VAICO VA-012 Plus coolant, violet in colour. On the label it states "It should be used all-year-round in a mixing ratio of 1 to 1 to provide the necessary protection against frost, overheating, corrosion and calcium deposits." Not sure which G12 Plus label you've been reading.

 

Interestingly a Google search for "G12 Plus" also brings up reference to a "G12 Plus Plus", for which it states "this the latest generation of coolant from VW/Audi. G12 Plus Plus coolant can be mixed with either blue G11 or pink G12 coolant like G12 Plus can, but it also includes updated additives for the latest generation of VW/Audi engines. G12 Plus Plus provides maximum corrosion protection for all engine parts and maximum heat transfer for improved cooling in modern high performance engines. Coolant is concentrate, to be mixed 1:1 with water."

Goto: http://www.ecwerks.com/fluids-and-lubricants/coolant/coolant-vw-audi-g12-plus-plus-1-5l-bottle.html

 

Unlike G12 Plus, which is "silicate free", G12 Plus Plus has, amongst other things, silicate added, for newer generation motors such as the Phaeton, goto: http://www.volkswagen.com/vwcms/master_public/virtualmaster/en2/unternehmen/volkswagen_genuine/genuine_parts/coolant_additive/new_recipe_for_premium_vehicles.html . It now begs the question, "is G12 Plus Plus" designed only for newer generation engines such as the Phaeton as stated, so by inference not relevant to the WBX 2.1?

 

If G12 Plus Plus ever reaches our shores, will both products be available in parallel or will "Plus Plus" supersede "Plus" and “G11”? Pandoras Box on coolants opened yet again?

 

In any event, I’ll stand corrected if previous generation G11 offers superior corrosion protection compared to its newer generation ... G12 Plus.

 

Cheers.

 

Ken



To: Syncro_T3_Australia@yahoogroups.com
From: davidleibmann@yahoo.com.au
Date: Tue, 18 Oct 2011 21:55:09 +0000
Subject: [Syncro_T3_Australia] Re: Coolant and radiator service

 
On the G12++ bottle there is no claims of having anticorrosion qualities written on it. Despite G11 having the same active ingredient Ethanediol, G11 claims to have anticorrosion qualities which is written in bold. Believe it or not its a personal choice at the end of the day. I chose G11 this time round and hopefully it will slow down the melting of all those nasty metals
Cheers Dave

--- In Syncro_T3_Australia@yahoogroups.com, Ken Garratt <unclekenz@...> wrote:
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> To: Syncro_T3_Australia@yahoogroups.com
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I sent a reply to this earlier but it hasn’t come through; try again.

David,

I spoke to Lloyd Davies (Volkwerke, Melbourne) last night about this.   He continues to use G11 and says that 12+ might or might not offer any advantages but he doesn’t do enough MV engines these days to be able to form an opinion.   He uses a 30% coolant/water mix and says that this is adequate for Australia .   He mentioned a case some years ago of seeing an MV engine running on 100% and that the hoses were being eaten away as a result.

In respect of what’s written on the container, consumer protection legislation around the world is making manufacturers a lot more circumspect about claims made for their product.   Rest assured that the German coolants designed for Mercedes and BMW will be of the best available quality and will not induce runaway corrosion.

Les

Ken’s notes below indicate that the G12+ and G12++ are upgrades for recent engines.  As Lloyd said to me last night, the G11 is the original spec and is adequate for the MV engine.   That said, it is unlikely that the G11 would be detrimental to the MV engine but I would suggest that the 30% would be adequate.

Les

From: Syncro_T3_Australia@yahoogroups.com [mailto: Syncro_T3_Australia@yahoogroups.com ] On Behalf Of Ken Garratt
Sent: 19 October 2011 10:18
To: _T3_Australia forum Syncro
Subject: RE: [Syncro_T3_Australia] Re: Coolant and radiator service

Dave,

What's typically available near me from VW parts suppliers is German product VAICO VA-012 Plus coolant, violet in colour. On the label it states "It should be used all-year-round in a mixing ratio of 1 to 1 to provide the necessary protection against frost, overheating, corrosion and calcium deposits." Not sure which G12 Plus label you've been reading.

Interestingly a Google search for "G12 Plus" also brings up reference to a "G12 Plus Plus", for which it states "this the latest generation of coolant from VW/Audi. G12 Plus Plus coolant can be mixed with either blue G11 or pink G12 coolant like G12 Plus can, but it also includes updated additives for the latest generation of VW/Audi engines. G12 Plus Plus provides maximum corrosion protection for all engine parts and maximum heat transfer for improved cooling in modern high performance engines. Coolant is concentrate, to be mixed 1:1 with water."

Goto: http://www.ecwerks.com/fluids-and-lubricants/coolant/coolant-vw-audi-g12-plus-plus-1-5l-bottle.html

Unlike G12 Plus, which is "silicate free", G12 Plus Plus has, amongst other things, silicate added, for newer generation motors such as the Phaeton, goto: http://www.volkswagen.com/vwcms/master_public/virtualmaster/en2/unternehmen/volkswagen_genuine/genuine_parts/coolant_additive/new_recipe_for_premium_vehicles.html . It now begs the question, "is G12 Plus Plus" designed only for newer generation engines such as the Phaeton as stated, so by inference not relevant to the WBX 2.1?

If G12 Plus Plus ever reaches our shores, will both products be available in parallel or will "Plus Plus" supersede "Plus" and “G11”? Pandora’s Box on coolants opened yet again?

In any event, I’ll stand corrected if previous generation G11 offers superior corrosion protection compared to its newer generation ... G12 Plus.

Cheers.

Ken

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Typo!!   That should have read G12+  . . .

 

Ken’s notes below indicate that the G12+ and G12++ are upgrades for recent engines.  As Lloyd said to me last night, the G11 is the original spec and is adequate for the MV engine.   That said, it is unlikely that the G11 would be detrimental to the MV engine but I would suggest that the 30% would be adequate.

Les

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Ken & Les, That is a retailer site so they could be saying anything.



> Ken Garratt <unclekenz@hotmail.com> wrote:
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> Dave,
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> What's typically available near me from VW parts suppliers is german
> product VAICO VA-012 Plus coolant, violet in colour. On the label it
> states "It
> should be used all-year-round in a mixing ratio of 1 to 1 to provide the
> necessary protection against frost, overheating, corrosion and calcium
> deposits." Not sure which G12 Plus label you've been reading.
>
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> Interestingly a Google search for "G12 Plus" also brings up reference to
> a "G12 Plus Plus", for which it states "this the
> latest generation of coolant from VW/Audi. G12 Plus Plus coolant can be
> mixed
> with either blue G11 or pink G12 coolant like G12 Plus can, but it also
> includes updated additives for the latest generation of VW/Audi engines.
> G12
> Plus Plus provides maximum corrosion protection for all engine parts and
> maximum heat transfer for improved cooling in modern high performance
> engines.
> Coolant is concentrate, to be mixed 1:1 with water."
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> Goto:
> http://www.ecwerks.com/fluids-and-lubricants/coolant/coolant-vw-audi-g12-
> plus-plus-1-5l-bottle.html
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> Unlike G12 Plus, which is "silicate free", G12 Plus Plus has,
> amongst other things, silicate added, for newer generation motors such
> as the
> Phaeton, goto:
> http://www.volkswagen.com/vwcms/master_public/virtualmaster/en2/unternehm
> en/volkswagen_genuine/genuine_parts/coolant_additive/new_recipe_for_premi
> um_vehicles.html
> . It now begs the question, "is G12 Plus Plus" designed only for
> newer generation engines such as the Phaeton as stated, so by inference
> not
> relevant to the WBX 2.1?
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> If G12 Plus Plus ever reaches our shores, will both products be
> available in parallel or will "Plus Plus" supersede "Plus"
> and ���G11���? Pandoras Box on coolants opened yet again?
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> To: Syncro_T3_Australia@yahoogroups.com
> From: davidleibmann@yahoo.com.au
> Date: Tue, 18 Oct 2011 21:55:09 +0000
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> in bold. Believe it or not its a personal choice at the end of the day.
> I chose G11 this time round and hopefully it will slow down the melting
> of all those nasty metals
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> --- In Syncro_T3_Australia@yahoogroups.com, Ken Garratt <unclekenz@...>
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Hi Micheal,
How did you go getting the front !/4 window latches? Im happy to pay for them and postage. Let me know
Thanks Dave

--- In Syncro_T3_Australia@yahoogroups.com, subimanx@... wrote:
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> I'll rip it off tomorrow and send it Friday!!! I'll send the passenger one as well. No good to me as I'm leaving my fixed glass in mine,the latches are from my "parts Syncro"....
> Michael Hutchinson, Townsville, 88 Syncro, Manx buggys all powered by SUBARU!!!!!!!
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: "David" <davidleibmann@...>
> Sender: Syncro_T3_Australia@yahoogroups.com
> Date: Tue, 18 Oct 2011 07:36:05
> To: <Syncro_T3_Australia@yahoogroups.com>
> Reply-To: Syncro_T3_Australia@yahoogroups.com
> Subject: [Syncro_T3_Australia] Re: Home grown maintenance
>
>
> Hi Micheal,
> Im after the drivers side 1/4 window latch. My name is:
> David Leibmann
> 14 Worland Drive
> Boambee East
> NSW 2452
> Im happy to send you some $$ for the latch and would be very grateful.
> Thanks Dave
>
>
> --- In Syncro_T3_Australia@yahoogroups.com, "Michael Hutchinson" <subimanx@> wrote:
> >
> > So you just unscrew them from the outside????If they’re that easy to get off send me your postal address and i’ll send you 2 down...
> >
> > Michael,Townsville Tropical NQ...88 Syncro
> >
> > From: David
> > Sent: Tuesday, October 18, 2011 4:42 PM
> > To: Syncro_T3_Australia@yahoogroups.com
> > Subject: [Syncro_T3_Australia] Re: Home grown maintenance
> >
> >
> > Hi Greg,
> >
> > Did my best to bid for the latches but someone had the system rigged going always one dollar higher. Still looking for drivers side 1/4 window latch due to someone trying to break in in the past and breaking the existing. Can any one help?
> >
> > Cheers Dave
> >
> > --- In mailto:Syncro_T3_Australia%40yahoogroups.com, greg esposito <gregespo73@> wrote:
> > >
> > > Latches going off on ebay in 11 hours. Greg E
> > > http://www.ebay.com.au/itm/VW-GOLF-MK-1-TRANSPORTER-T3-FRONT-VENT-LATCHES-GTI-MK1-/220868247108?pt=AU_Car_Parts_Accessories&hash=item336cc5fe44
> > >
> > >
> > > ________________________________
> > > From: David <davidleibmann@>
> > > To: mailto:Syncro_T3_Australia%40yahoogroups.com
> > > Sent: Friday, 14 October 2011 9:06 AM
> > > Subject: [Syncro_T3_Australia] Home grown maintenance
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > Â
> > >
> > > Hi everyone,
> > >
> > > I went on a 1200km holiday travelling high into the Lamington National Park and kicking back at the Cottontree caravan Park on the Sunshine Coast during recent school holidays. Both places are highly recommended as places to visit. The syncro ran beautifully apart from a slight overheating and engine dying after the hill climb (22 degrees in sections with max load in car) just before OReileys. I let it cool down and the turbo fan came on and after 30 minute rest the remainder of the drive was all down hill and problem free however I got a bit anxious watching the temperature gauge going up and down.
> > > Im due for a service and want to do it myself for a number of reasons. The coolant that is in it is G12 plus and looks very watered down. Where do you empty the coolant from? Ive read the summary in the files of how to replace it and think it cant be that difficult to do. Also do you empty the engine oil by simply removing the oil filter or is there a sump plug? Do I need a new washer for the sump plug or just screw back whats there? Ive changed air filter, rotar arm and distributor cap and want to put new spark plugs in as well. What gap do you use for the spark plugs?
> > >
> > > Im also after the swinging latch from the 1/4 window drivers side for the T3 if anyone can help?
> > >
> > > Where theres a will there is a way I believe
> > >
> > > Grateful for any tips on routine home maintenance
> > >
> > > Cheers Dave
> > >
> >
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I couldn't remove the latches from the glass because I thought I might damage them......so I sent the whole lot down last week..LOL...if the glass breaks it will make your job easier,otherwise u will have the left and right whole assemblies...

Michael Hutchinson, Townsville, 88 Syncro, Manx buggys all powered by SUBARU!!!!!!!
From: "David" <davidleibmann@yahoo.com.au>
Sender: Syncro_T3_Australia@yahoogroups.com
Date: Mon, 31 Oct 2011 01:58:48 -0000
To: <Syncro_T3_Australia@yahoogroups.com>
ReplyTo: Syncro_T3_Australia@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [Syncro_T3_Australia] Re: Home grown maintenance

 


Hi Micheal,
How did you go getting the front !/4 window latches? Im happy to pay for them and postage. Let me know
Thanks Dave

--- In Syncro_T3_Australia@yahoogroups.com, subimanx@... wrote:
>
> I'll rip it off tomorrow and send it Friday!!! I'll send the passenger one as well. No good to me as I'm leaving my fixed glass in mine,the latches are from my "parts Syncro"....
> Michael Hutchinson, Townsville, 88 Syncro, Manx buggys all powered by SUBARU!!!!!!!
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: "David" <davidleibmann@...>
> Sender: Syncro_T3_Australia@yahoogroups.com
> Date: Tue, 18 Oct 2011 07:36:05
> To: <Syncro_T3_Australia@yahoogroups.com>
> Reply-To: Syncro_T3_Australia@yahoogroups.com
> Subject: [Syncro_T3_Australia] Re: Home grown maintenance
>
>
> Hi Micheal,
> Im after the drivers side 1/4 window latch. My name is:
> David Leibmann
> 14 Worland Drive
> Boambee East
> NSW 2452
> Im happy to send you some $$ for the latch and would be very grateful.
> Thanks Dave
>
>
> --- In Syncro_T3_Australia@yahoogroups.com, "Michael Hutchinson" <subimanx@> wrote:
> >
> > So you just unscrew them from the outside????If they’re that easy to get off send me your postal address and i’ll send you 2 down...
> >
> > Michael,Townsville Tropical NQ...88 Syncro
> >
> > From: David
> > Sent: Tuesday, October 18, 2011 4:42 PM
> > To: Syncro_T3_Australia@yahoogroups.com
> > Subject: [Syncro_T3_Australia] Re: Home grown maintenance
> >
> >
> > Hi Greg,
> >
> > Did my best to bid for the latches but someone had the system rigged going always one dollar higher. Still looking for drivers side 1/4 window latch due to someone trying to break in in the past and breaking the existing. Can any one help?
> >
> > Cheers Dave
> >
> > --- In mailto:Syncro_T3_Australia%40yahoogroups.com, greg esposito <gregespo73@> wrote:
> > >
> > > Latches going off on ebay in 11 hours. Greg E
> > > http://www.ebay.com.au/itm/VW-GOLF-MK-1-TRANSPORTER-T3-FRONT-VENT-LATCHES-GTI-MK1-/220868247108?pt=AU_Car_Parts_Accessories&hash=item336cc5fe44
> > >
> > >
> > > ________________________________
> > > From: David <davidleibmann@>
> > > To: mailto:Syncro_T3_Australia%40yahoogroups.com
> > > Sent: Friday, 14 October 2011 9:06 AM
> > > Subject: [Syncro_T3_Australia] Home grown maintenance
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > Â
> > >
> > > Hi everyone,
> > >
> > > I went on a 1200km holiday travelling high into the Lamington National Park and kicking back at the Cottontree caravan Park on the Sunshine Coast during recent school holidays. Both places are highly recommended as places to visit. The syncro ran beautifully apart from a slight overheating and engine dying after the hill climb (22 degrees in sections with max load in car) just before OReileys. I let it cool down and the turbo fan came on and after 30 minute rest the remainder of the drive was all down hill and problem free however I got a bit anxious watching the temperature gauge going up and down.
> > > Im due for a service and want to do it myself for a number of reasons. The coolant that is in it is G12 plus and looks very watered down. Where do you empty the coolant from? Ive read the summary in the files of how to replace it and think it cant be that difficult to do. Also do you empty the engine oil by simply removing the oil filter or is there a sump plug? Do I need a new washer for the sump plug or just screw back whats there? Ive changed air filter, rotar arm and distributor cap and want to put new spark plugs in as well. What gap do you use for the spark plugs?
> > >
> > > Im also after the swinging latch from the 1/4 window drivers side for the T3 if anyone can help?
> > >
> > > Where theres a will there is a way I believe
> > >
> > > Grateful for any tips on routine home maintenance
> > >
> > > Cheers Dave
> > >
> >
>

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Thanks heaps Micheal,
I hope I can repay you somehow in the future.
Cheers Dave

--- In Syncro_T3_Australia@yahoogroups.com, subimanx@... wrote:
>
> I couldn't remove the latches from the glass because I thought I might damage them......so I sent the whole lot down last week..LOL...if the glass breaks it will make your job easier,otherwise u will have the left and right whole assemblies...
>
>
> Michael Hutchinson, Townsville, 88 Syncro, Manx buggys all powered by SUBARU!!!!!!!
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: "David" <davidleibmann@...>
> Sender: Syncro_T3_Australia@yahoogroups.com
> Date: Mon, 31 Oct 2011 01:58:48
> To: <Syncro_T3_Australia@yahoogroups.com>
> Reply-To: Syncro_T3_Australia@yahoogroups.com
> Subject: [Syncro_T3_Australia] Re: Home grown maintenance
>
>
> Hi Micheal,
> How did you go getting the front !/4 window latches? Im happy to pay for them and postage. Let me know
> Thanks Dave
>
> --- In Syncro_T3_Australia@yahoogroups.com, subimanx@ wrote:
> >
> > I'll rip it off tomorrow and send it Friday!!! I'll send the passenger one as well. No good to me as I'm leaving my fixed glass in mine,the latches are from my "parts Syncro"....
> > Michael Hutchinson, Townsville, 88 Syncro, Manx buggys all powered by SUBARU!!!!!!!
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: "David" <davidleibmann@>
> > Sender: Syncro_T3_Australia@yahoogroups.com
> > Date: Tue, 18 Oct 2011 07:36:05
> > To: <Syncro_T3_Australia@yahoogroups.com>
> > Reply-To: Syncro_T3_Australia@yahoogroups.com
> > Subject: [Syncro_T3_Australia] Re: Home grown maintenance
> >
> >
> > Hi Micheal,
> > Im after the drivers side 1/4 window latch. My name is:
> > David Leibmann
> > 14 Worland Drive
> > Boambee East
> > NSW 2452
> > Im happy to send you some $$ for the latch and would be very grateful.
> > Thanks Dave
> >
> >
> > --- In Syncro_T3_Australia@yahoogroups.com, "Michael Hutchinson" <subimanx@> wrote:
> > >
> > > So you just unscrew them from the outside????If they’re that easy to get off send me your postal address and i’ll send you 2 down...
> > >
> > > Michael,Townsville Tropical NQ...88 Syncro
> > >
> > > From: David
> > > Sent: Tuesday, October 18, 2011 4:42 PM
> > > To: Syncro_T3_Australia@yahoogroups.com
> > > Subject: [Syncro_T3_Australia] Re: Home grown maintenance
> > >
> > >
> > > Hi Greg,
> > >
> > > Did my best to bid for the latches but someone had the system rigged going always one dollar higher. Still looking for drivers side 1/4 window latch due to someone trying to break in in the past and breaking the existing. Can any one help?
> > >
> > > Cheers Dave
> > >
> > > --- In mailto:Syncro_T3_Australia%40yahoogroups.com, greg esposito <gregespo73@> wrote:
> > > >
> > > > Latches going off on ebay in 11 hours. Greg E
> > > > http://www.ebay.com.au/itm/VW-GOLF-MK-1-TRANSPORTER-T3-FRONT-VENT-LATCHES-GTI-MK1-/220868247108?pt=AU_Car_Parts_Accessories&hash=item336cc5fe44
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > ________________________________
> > > > From: David <davidleibmann@>
> > > > To: mailto:Syncro_T3_Australia%40yahoogroups.com
> > > > Sent: Friday, 14 October 2011 9:06 AM
> > > > Subject: [Syncro_T3_Australia] Home grown maintenance
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > Â
> > > >
> > > > Hi everyone,
> > > >
> > > > I went on a 1200km holiday travelling high into the Lamington National Park and kicking back at the Cottontree caravan Park on the Sunshine Coast during recent school holidays. Both places are highly recommended as places to visit. The syncro ran beautifully apart from a slight overheating and engine dying after the hill climb (22 degrees in sections with max load in car) just before OReileys. I let it cool down and the turbo fan came on and after 30 minute rest the remainder of the drive was all down hill and problem free however I got a bit anxious watching the temperature gauge going up and down.
> > > > Im due for a service and want to do it myself for a number of reasons. The coolant that is in it is G12 plus and looks very watered down. Where do you empty the coolant from? Ive read the summary in the files of how to replace it and think it cant be that difficult to do. Also do you empty the engine oil by simply removing the oil filter or is there a sump plug? Do I need a new washer for the sump plug or just screw back whats there? Ive changed air filter, rotar arm and distributor cap and want to put new spark plugs in as well. What gap do you use for the spark plugs?
> > > >
> > > > Im also after the swinging latch from the 1/4 window drivers side for the T3 if anyone can help?
> > > >
> > > > Where theres a will there is a way I believe
> > > >
> > > > Grateful for any tips on routine home maintenance
> > > >
> > > > Cheers Dave
> > > >
> > >
> >
>
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Have they arrived yet???
------Original Message------
From: David
Sender: Syncro_T3_Australia@yahoogroups.com
To: Syncro_T3_Australia@yahoogroups.com
ReplyTo: Syncro_T3_Australia@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [Syncro_T3_Australia] Re: Home grown maintenance
Sent: Oct 31, 2011 6:33 PM

Thanks heaps Micheal, I hope I can repay you somehow in the future. Cheers Dave --- In Syncro_T3_Australia@yahoogroups.com, subimanx@... wrote: > > I couldn't remove the latches from the glass because I thought I might damage them......so I sent the whole lot down last week..LOL...if the glass breaks it will make your job easier,otherwise u will have the left and right whole assemblies... > > > Michael Hutchinson, Townsville, 88 Syncro, Manx buggys all powered by SUBARU!!!!!!! > > -----Original Message----- > From: "David" <davidleibmann@...> > Sender: Syncro_T3_Australia@yahoogroups.com > Date: Mon, 31 Oct 2011 01:58:48 > To: <Syncro_T3_Australia@yahoogroups.com> > Reply-To: Syncro_T3_Australia@yahoogroups.com > Subject: [Syncro_T3_Australia] Re: Home grown maintenance > > > Hi Micheal, > How did you go getting the front !/4 window latches? Im happy to pay for them and postage. Let me know > Thanks Dave > > --- In Syncro_T3_Australia@yahoogroups.com, subimanx@ wrote: > > > > I'll rip it off tomorrow and send it Friday!!! I'll send the passenger one as well. No good to me as I'm leaving my fixed glass in mine,the latches are from my "parts Syncro".... > > Michael Hutchinson, Townsville, 88 Syncro, Manx buggys all powered by SUBARU!!!!!!! > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: "David" <davidleibmann@> > > Sender: Syncro_T3_Australia@yahoogroups.com > > Date: Tue, 18 Oct 2011 07:36:05 > > To: <Syncro_T3_Australia@yahoogroups.com> > > Reply-To: Syncro_T3_Australia@yahoogroups.com > > Subject: [Syncro_T3_Australia] Re: Home grown maintenance > > > > > > Hi Micheal, > > Im after the drivers side 1/4 window latch. My name is: > > David Leibmann > > 14 Worland Drive > > Boambee East > > NSW 2452 > > Im happy to send you some $$ for the latch and would be very grateful. > > Thanks Dave > > > > > > --- In Syncro_T3_Australia@yahoogroups.com, "Michael Hutchinson" <subimanx@> wrote: > > > > > > So you just unscrew them from the outside????If they’re that easy to get off send me your postal address and i’ll send you
Michael Hutchinson, Townsville, 88 Syncro, Manx buggys all powered by SUBARU!!!!!!!
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Hi Micheal,
Windows and latches arrived yesterday all in one piece due to clever packing. Ill send some money in the post to cover postage, etc.
Many many thanks
Dave
--- In Syncro_T3_Australia@yahoogroups.com, subimanx@... wrote:
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> Have they arrived yet???
> ------Original Message------
> From: David
> Sender: Syncro_T3_Australia@yahoogroups.com
> To: Syncro_T3_Australia@yahoogroups.com
> ReplyTo: Syncro_T3_Australia@yahoogroups.com
> Subject: [Syncro_T3_Australia] Re: Home grown maintenance
> Sent: Oct 31, 2011 6:33 PM
>
> Thanks heaps Micheal, I hope I can repay you somehow in the future. Cheers Dave --- In Syncro_T3_Australia@yahoogroups.com, subimanx@ wrote: > > I couldn't remove the latches from the glass because I thought I might damage them......so I sent the whole lot down last week..LOL...if the glass breaks it will make your job easier,otherwise u will have the left and right whole assemblies... > > > Michael Hutchinson, Townsville, 88 Syncro, Manx buggys all powered by SUBARU!!!!!!! > > -----Original Message----- > From: "David" <davidleibmann@> > Sender: Syncro_T3_Australia@yahoogroups.com > Date: Mon, 31 Oct 2011 01:58:48 > To: <Syncro_T3_Australia@yahoogroups.com> > Reply-To: Syncro_T3_Australia@yahoogroups.com > Subject: [Syncro_T3_Australia] Re: Home grown maintenance > > > Hi Micheal, > How did you go getting the front !/4 window latches? Im happy to pay for them and postage. Let me know > Thanks Dave > > --- In Syncro_T3_Australia@yahoogroups.com, subimanx@ wrote: > > > > I'll rip it off tomorrow and send it Friday!!! I'll send the passenger one as well. No good to me as I'm leaving my fixed glass in mine,the latches are from my "parts Syncro".... > > Michael Hutchinson, Townsville, 88 Syncro, Manx buggys all powered by SUBARU!!!!!!! > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: "David" <davidleibmann@> > > Sender: Syncro_T3_Australia@yahoogroups.com > > Date: Tue, 18 Oct 2011 07:36:05 > > To: <Syncro_T3_Australia@yahoogroups.com> > > Reply-To: Syncro_T3_Australia@yahoogroups.com > > Subject: [Syncro_T3_Australia] Re: Home grown maintenance > > > > > > Hi Micheal, > > Im after the drivers side 1/4 window latch. My name is: > > David Leibmann > > 14 Worland Drive > > Boambee East > > NSW 2452 > > Im happy to send you some $$ for the latch and would be very grateful. > > Thanks Dave > > > > > > --- In Syncro_T3_Australia@yahoogroups.com, "Michael Hutchinson" <subimanx@> wrote: > > > > > > So you just unscrew them from the outside????If they're that easy to get off send me your postal address and i'll send you
> Michael Hutchinson, Townsville, 88 Syncro, Manx buggys all powered by SUBARU!!!!!!!
>
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hello
I went to buy coolant from my local VW dealer today and the only coolant they had was G12 plus plus. just wondering if we have decided if this modern coolant is suitable for our vehicles. Thanks Greg



--- In Syncro_T3_Australia@yahoogroups.com, Ken Garratt <unclekenz@...> wrote:
>
>
> Dave,
>
>
>
> What's typically available near me from VW parts suppliers is german
> product VAICO VA-012 Plus coolant, violet in colour. On the label it states "It
> should be used all-year-round in a mixing ratio of 1 to 1 to provide the
> necessary protection against frost, overheating, corrosion and calcium
> deposits." Not sure which G12 Plus label you've been reading.
>
>
>
> Interestingly a Google search for "G12 Plus" also brings up reference to a "G12 Plus Plus", for which it states "this the
> latest generation of coolant from VW/Audi. G12 Plus Plus coolant can be mixed
> with either blue G11 or pink G12 coolant like G12 Plus can, but it also
> includes updated additives for the latest generation of VW/Audi engines. G12
> Plus Plus provides maximum corrosion protection for all engine parts and
> maximum heat transfer for improved cooling in modern high performance engines.
> Coolant is concentrate, to be mixed 1:1 with water."
>
> Goto: http://www.ecwerks.com/fluids-and-lubricants/coolant/coolant-vw-audi-g12-plus-plus-1-5l-bottle.html
>
>
>
> Unlike G12 Plus, which is "silicate free", G12 Plus Plus has,
> amongst other things, silicate added, for newer generation motors such as the
> Phaeton, goto: http://www.volkswagen.com/vwcms/master_public/virtualmaster/en2/unternehmen/volkswagen_genuine/genuine_parts/coolant_additive/new_recipe_for_premium_vehicles.html
> . It now begs the question, "is G12 Plus Plus" designed only for
> newer generation engines such as the Phaeton as stated, so by inference not
> relevant to the WBX 2.1?
>
>
>
> If G12 Plus Plus ever reaches our shores, will both products be
> available in parallel or will "Plus Plus" supersede "Plus"
> and "G11"? Pandoras Box on coolants opened yet again?
>
>
>
> In any event, I'll stand corrected if previous generation G11 offers
> superior corrosion protection compared to its newer generation ... G12 Plus.
>
>
>
> Cheers.
>
>
>
> Ken
>
> To: Syncro_T3_Australia@yahoogroups.com
> From: davidleibmann@...
> Date: Tue, 18 Oct 2011 21:55:09 +0000
> Subject: [Syncro_T3_Australia] Re: Coolant and radiator service
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>
> Cheers Dave
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> --- In Syncro_T3_Australia@yahoogroups.com, Ken Garratt <unclekenz@> wrote:
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> > I'm at a loss to understand what is at all wrong with VW's latest coolant concentrate ... G12 Plus. How is reverting to G11, an earlier version, a better alternative?
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Greg,

This was discussed fairly widely recently.   Interestingly, Lloyd Davies (Volkwerke) continues to use the G11 in the MV engines that he rebuilds.   It might eventually come down to which is the more widely available.

Les

 

From: Syncro_T3_Australia@yahoogroups.com [mailto: Syncro_T3_Australia@yahoogroups.com ] On Behalf Of Greg
Sent: 10 November 2011 00:16
To: Syncro_T3_Australia@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [Syncro_T3_Australia] Re: Coolant and radiator service

 

hello
I went to buy coolant from my local VW dealer today and the only coolant they had was G12 plus plus. just wondering if we have decided if this modern coolant is suitable for our vehicles. Thanks Greg

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Greg,
So at the time, did you gain the undivided attention of the VW dealer to explain his specialised knowledge of the current VAG thinking/recommendations for their own coolants and where T3s fit in this equation? So he said G11 and G12 Plus are definitely NLA? Or are they merely disinterested? Have you googled for latest info on G11 & G12 Plus availability? Is it being inferred an incompatibility issue, if so, what exactly?

I guess sooner or later, when each of us need to obtain new supply, could be the sort of questions each of us may have to delve into.

Ken  

To: Syncro_T3_Australia@yahoogroups.com
From: greg_navarro95@yahoo.com
Date: Wed, 9 Nov 2011 13:16:24 +0000
Subject: [Syncro_T3_Australia] Re: Coolant and radiator service

 
hello
I went to buy coolant from my local VW dealer today and the only coolant they had was G12 plus plus. just wondering if we have decided if this modern coolant is suitable for our vehicles. Thanks Greg

--- In Syncro_T3_Australia@yahoogroups.com, Ken Garratt <unclekenz@...> wrote:
>
>
> Dave,
>
>
>
> What's typically available near me from VW parts suppliers is german
> product VAICO VA-012 Plus coolant, violet in colour. On the label it states "It
> should be used all-year-round in a mixing ratio of 1 to 1 to provide the
> necessary protection against frost, overheating, corrosion and calcium
> deposits." Not sure which G12 Plus label you've been reading.
>
>
>
> Interestingly a Google search for "G12 Plus" also brings up reference to a "G12 Plus Plus", for which it states "this the
> latest generation of coolant from VW/Audi. G12 Plus Plus coolant can be mixed
> with either blue G11 or pink G12 coolant like G12 Plus can, but it also
> includes updated additives for the latest generation of VW/Audi engines. G12
> Plus Plus provides maximum corrosion protection for all engine parts and
> maximum heat transfer for improved cooling in modern high performance engines.
> Coolant is concentrate, to be mixed 1:1 with water."
>
> Goto: http://www.ecwerks.com/fluids-and-lubricants/coolant/coolant-vw-audi-g12-plus-plus-1-5l-bottle.html
>
>
>
> Unlike G12 Plus, which is "silicate free", G12 Plus Plus has,
> amongst other things, silicate added, for newer generation motors such as the
> Phaeton, goto: http://www.volkswagen.com/vwcms/master_public/virtualmaster/en2/unternehmen/volkswagen_genuine/genuine_parts/coolant_additive/new_recipe_for_premium_vehicles.html
> . It now begs the question, "is G12 Plus Plus" designed only for
> newer generation engines such as the Phaeton as stated, so by inference not
> relevant to the WBX 2.1?
>
>
>
> If G12 Plus Plus ever reaches our shores, will both products be
> available in parallel or will "Plus Plus" supersede "Plus"
> and "G11"? Pandoras Box on coolants opened yet again?
>
>
>
> In any event, I'll stand corrected if previous generation G11 offers
> superior corrosion protection compared to its newer generation ... G12 Plus.
>
>
>
> Cheers.
>
>
>
> Ken
>
> To: Syncro_T3_Australia@yahoogroups.com
> From: davidleibmann@...
> Date: Tue, 18 Oct 2011 21:55:09 +0000
> Subject: [Syncro_T3_Australia] Re: Coolant and radiator service
>
>
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> On the G12++ bottle there is no claims of having anticorrosion qualities written on it. Despite G11 having the same active ingredient Ethanediol, G11 claims to have anticorrosion qualities which is written in bold. Believe it or not its a personal choice at the end of the day. I chose G11 this time round and hopefully it will slow down the melting of all those nasty metals
>
> Cheers Dave
>
>
>
> --- In Syncro_T3_Australia@yahoogroups.com, Ken Garratt <unclekenz@> wrote:
>
> >
>
> >
>
> > I'm at a loss to understand what is at all wrong with VW's latest coolant concentrate ... G12 Plus. How is reverting to G11, an earlier version, a better alternative?
>
> > I prefer 50:50 mix with distilled water, gives me some latitude if I drop any and can top it up with straight distilled water should I get caught short of concentrate.
>
> > Ken
>
> >
>
> >
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> >
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> >
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> > To: Syncro_T3_Australia@yahoogroups.com
>
> > From: davidleibmann@
>
> > Date: Tue, 18 Oct 2011 07:28:18 +0000
>
> > Subject: [Syncro_T3_Australia] Coolant and radiator service
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Greg,

I should have added that Lloyd keeps both in stock.   He continues to use the G11 on MV engines and uses the several G12’s on the European vehicles that specify them.   He is confident that the G11 is completely adequate for the MV.

Les

 

From: Syncro_T3_Australia@yahoogroups.com [mailto: Syncro_T3_Australia@yahoogroups.com ] On Behalf Of Les Harris
Sent: 10 November 2011 00:31
To: Syncro_T3_Australia@yahoogroups.com
Subject: RE: [Syncro_T3_Australia] Re: Coolant and radiator service

 

Greg,

This was discussed fairly widely recently.   Interestingly, Lloyd Davies (Volkwerke) continues to use the G11 in the MV engines that he rebuilds.   It might eventually come down to which is the more widely available.

Les

From: Syncro_T3_Australia@yahoogroups.com [mailto: Syncro_T3_Australia@yahoogroups.com ] On Behalf Of Greg
Sent: 10 November 2011 00:16
To: Syncro_T3_Australia@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [Syncro_T3_Australia] Re: Coolant and radiator service

 

hello
I went to buy coolant from my local VW dealer today and the only coolant they had was G12 plus plus. just wondering if we have decided if this modern coolant is suitable for our vehicles. Thanks Greg

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So you would rely on what a parts salesman tells you?
How in the hell would he know?




> Ken Garratt <unclekenz@hotmail.com> wrote:
>
>
> Greg,So at the time, did you gain the undivided attention of the VW
> dealer to explain his specialised knowledge of the current VAG
> thinking/recommendations for their own coolants and where T3s fit in
> this equation? So he said G11 and G12 Plus are definitely NLA? Or are
> they merely disinterested? Have you googled for latest info on G11 & G12
> Plus availability? Is it being inferred an incompatibility issue, if so,
> what exactly?
> I guess sooner or later, when each of us need to obtain new supply,
> could be the sort of questions each of us may have to delve into.
> Ken
>
> To: Syncro_T3_Australia@yahoogroups.com
> From: greg_navarro95@yahoo.com
> Date: Wed, 9 Nov 2011 13:16:24 +0000
> Subject: [Syncro_T3_Australia] Re: Coolant and radiator service
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> I went to buy coolant from my local VW dealer today and the only coolant
> they had was G12 plus plus. just wondering if we have decided if this
> modern coolant is suitable for our vehicles. Thanks Greg
>
>
>
> --- In Syncro_T3_Australia@yahoogroups.com, Ken Garratt <unclekenz@...>
> wrote:
>
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> > Dave,
>
> >
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> > What's typically available near me from VW parts suppliers is german
>
> > product VAICO VA-012 Plus coolant, violet in colour. On the label it
> states "It
>
> > should be used all-year-round in a mixing ratio of 1 to 1 to provide
> the
>
> > necessary protection against frost, overheating, corrosion and calcium
>
> > deposits." Not sure which G12 Plus label you've been reading.
>
> >
>
> >
>
> >
>
> > Interestingly a Google search for "G12 Plus" also brings up reference
> to a "G12 Plus Plus", for which it states "this the
>
> > latest generation of coolant from VW/Audi. G12 Plus Plus coolant can
> be mixed
>
> > with either blue G11 or pink G12 coolant like G12 Plus can, but it
> also
>
> > includes updated additives for the latest generation of VW/Audi
> engines. G12
>
> > Plus Plus provides maximum corrosion protection for all engine parts
> and
>
> > maximum heat transfer for improved cooling in modern high performance
> engines.
>
> > Coolant is concentrate, to be mixed 1:1 with water."
>
> >
>
> > Goto:
> http://www.ecwerks.com/fluids-and-lubricants/coolant/coolant-vw-audi-g12-
> plus-plus-1-5l-bottle.html
>
> >
>
> >
>
> >
>
> > Unlike G12 Plus, which is "silicate free", G12 Plus Plus has,
>
> > amongst other things, silicate added, for newer generation motors such
> as the
>
> > Phaeton, goto:
> http://www.volkswagen.com/vwcms/master_public/virtualmaster/en2/unternehm
> en/volkswagen_genuine/genuine_parts/coolant_additive/new_recipe_for_premi
> um_vehicles.html
>
> > . It now begs the question, "is G12 Plus Plus" designed only for
>
> > newer generation engines such as the Phaeton as stated, so by
> inference not
>
> > relevant to the WBX 2.1?
>
> >
>
> >
>
> >
>
> > If G12 Plus Plus ever reaches our shores, will both products be
>
> > available in parallel or will "Plus Plus" supersede "Plus"
>
> > and "G11"? Pandoras Box on coolants opened yet again?
>
> >
>
> >
>
> >
>
> > In any event, I'll stand corrected if previous generation G11 offers
>
> > superior corrosion protection compared to its newer generation ... G12
> Plus.
>
> >
>
> >
>
> >
>
> > Cheers.
>
> >
>
> >
>
> >
>
> > Ken
>
> >
>
> > To: Syncro_T3_Australia@yahoogroups.com
>
> > From: davidleibmann@...
>
> > Date: Tue, 18 Oct 2011 21:55:09 +0000
>
> > Subject: [Syncro_T3_Australia] Re: Coolant and radiator service
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> qualities written on it. Despite G11 having the same active ingredient
> Ethanediol, G11 claims to have anticorrosion qualities which is written
> in bold. Believe it or not its a personal choice at the end of the day.
> I chose G11 this time round and hopefully it will slow down the melting
> of all those nasty metals
>
> >
>
> > Cheers Dave
>
> >
>
> >
>
> >
>
> > --- In Syncro_T3_Australia@yahoogroups.com, Ken Garratt <unclekenz@>
> wrote:
>
> >
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> > >
>
> >
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> > >
>
> >
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> > > I'm at a loss to understand what is at all wrong with VW's latest
> coolant concentrate ... G12 Plus. How is reverting to G11, an earlier
> version, a better alternative?
>
> >
>
> > > I prefer 50:50 mix with distilled water, gives me some latitude if I
> drop any and can top it up with straight distilled water should I get
> caught short of concentrate.
>
> >
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> > > From: davidleibmann@
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> > > Date: Tue, 18 Oct 2011 07:28:18 +0000
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> given the radiator fins a good clean and bled the system, is there
> something else to do? Still want to change the coolant from G12+ that
> was in it when I bought the car to G11. Do you think 4 bottles of G11 is
> enough coolant? Just kampers recommend that and that is how many bottles
> I have at present.
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Phill,

No, not a parts salesman.
Yes, the parts salesman who has gained my confidence having already demonstrated competence. Rare but worth looking for. Much the same concept as with syncro owners.

Please advise then your own known alternate font of all up to date VAG/T3 knowledge. I take it you know one. TIA.

Cheers.

Ken



To: Syncro_T3_Australia@yahoogroups.com
From: plander@optusnet.com.au
Date: Thu, 10 Nov 2011 07:36:06 +1100
Subject: Re: RE: [Syncro_T3_Australia] Re: Coolant and radiator service

 
So you would rely on what a parts salesman tells you?
How in the hell would he know?

> Ken Garratt <unclekenz@hotmail.com> wrote:
>
>
> Greg,So at the time, did you gain the undivided attention of the VW
> dealer to explain his specialised knowledge of the current VAG
> thinking/recommendations for their own coolants and where T3s fit in
> this equation? So he said G11 and G12 Plus are definitely NLA? Or are
> they merely disinterested? Have you googled for latest info on G11 & G12
> Plus availability? Is it being inferred an incompatibility issue, if so,
> what exactly?
> I guess sooner or later, when each of us need to obtain new supply,
> could be the sort of questions each of us may have to delve into.
> Ken
>
> To: Syncro_T3_Australia@yahoogroups.com
> From: greg_navarro95@yahoo.com
> Date: Wed, 9 Nov 2011 13:16:24 +0000
> Subject: [Syncro_T3_Australia] Re: Coolant and radiator service
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> I went to buy coolant from my local VW dealer today and the only coolant
> they had was G12 plus plus. just wondering if we have decided if this
> modern coolant is suitable for our vehicles. Thanks Greg
>
>
>
> --- In Syncro_T3_Australia@yahoogroups.com, Ken Garratt <unclekenz@...>
> wrote:
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> > Dave,
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> > What's typically available near me from VW parts suppliers is german
>
> > product VAICO VA-012 Plus coolant, violet in colour. On the label it
> states "It
>
> > should be used all-year-round in a mixing ratio of 1 to 1 to provide
> the
>
> > necessary protection against frost, overheating, corrosion and calcium
>
> > deposits." Not sure which G12 Plus label you've been reading.
>
> >
>
> >
>
> >
>
> > Interestingly a Google search for "G12 Plus" also brings up reference
> to a "G12 Plus Plus", for which it states "this the
>
> > latest generation of coolant from VW/Audi. G12 Plus Plus coolant can
> be mixed
>
> > with either blue G11 or pink G12 coolant like G12 Plus can, but it
> also
>
> > includes updated additives for the latest generation of VW/Audi
> engines. G12
>
> > Plus Plus provides maximum corrosion protection for all engine parts
> and
>
> > maximum heat transfer for improved cooling in modern high performance
> engines.
>
> > Coolant is concentrate, to be mixed 1:1 with water."
>
> >
>
> > Goto:
> http://www.ecwerks.com/fluids-and-lubricants/coolant/coolant-vw-audi-g12-
> plus-plus-1-5l-bottle.html
>
> >
>
> >
>
> >
>
> > Unlike G12 Plus, which is "silicate free", G12 Plus Plus has,
>
> > amongst other things, silicate added, for newer generation motors such
> as the
>
> > Phaeton, goto:
> http://www.volkswagen.com/vwcms/master_public/virtualmaster/en2/unternehm
> en/volkswagen_genuine/genuine_parts/coolant_additive/new_recipe_for_premi
> um_vehicles.html
>
> > . It now begs the question, "is G12 Plus Plus" designed only for
>
> > newer generation engines such as the Phaeton as stated, so by
> inference not
>
> > relevant to the WBX 2.1?
>
> >
>
> >
>
> >
>
> > If G12 Plus Plus ever reaches our shores, will both products be
>
> > available in parallel or will "Plus Plus" supersede "Plus"
>
> > and "G11"? Pandoras Box on coolants opened yet again?
>
> >
>
> >
>
> >
>
> > In any event, I'll stand corrected if previous generation G11 offers
>
> > superior corrosion protection compared to its newer generation ... G12
> Plus.
>
> >
>
> >
>
> >
>
> > Cheers.
>
> >
>
> >
>
> >
>
> > Ken
>
> >
>
> > To: Syncro_T3_Australia@yahoogroups.com
>
> > From: davidleibmann@...
>
> > Date: Tue, 18 Oct 2011 21:55:09 +0000
>
> > Subject: [Syncro_T3_Australia] Re: Coolant and radiator service
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> > On the G12++ bottle there is no claims of having anticorrosion
> qualities written on it. Despite G11 having the same active ingredient
> Ethanediol, G11 claims to have anticorrosion qualities which is written
> in bold. Believe it or not its a personal choice at the end of the day.
> I chose G11 this time round and hopefully it will slow down the melting
> of all those nasty metals
>
> >
>
> > Cheers Dave
>
> >
>
> >
>
> >
>
> > --- In Syncro_T3_Australia@yahoogroups.com, Ken Garratt <unclekenz@>
> wrote:
>
> >
>
> > >
>
> >
>
> > >
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> >
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> > > I'm at a loss to understand what is at all wrong with VW's latest
> coolant concentrate ... G12 Plus. How is reverting to G11, an earlier
> version, a better alternative?
>
> >
>
> > > I prefer 50:50 mix with distilled water, gives me some latitude if I
> drop any and can top it up with straight distilled water should I get
> caught short of concentrate.
>
> >
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> > > Ken
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> > > To: Syncro_T3_Australia@yahoogroups.com
>
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> > > From: davidleibmann@
>
> >
>
> > > Date: Tue, 18 Oct 2011 07:28:18 +0000
>
> >
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> > > Subject: [Syncro_T3_Australia] Coolant and radiator service
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> > > does a radiator service include a coolant change as well? I have
> given the radiator fins a good clean and bled the system, is there
> something else to do? Still want to change the coolant from G12+ that
> was in it when I bought the car to G11. Do you think 4 bottles of G11 is
> enough coolant? Just kampers recommend that and that is how many bottles
> I have at present.
>
> >
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I have rung VW Australia customer service line this morning and was put through to the parts division. They informed me G11 and G12 plus are no longer available and have been replaced by G12 plus plus.


Greg



--- In Syncro_T3_Australia@yahoogroups.com, Ken Garratt <unclekenz@...> wrote:
>
>
> Greg,So at the time, did you gain the undivided attention of the VW dealer to explain his specialised knowledge of the current VAG thinking/recommendations for their own coolants and where T3s fit in this equation? So he said G11 and G12 Plus are definitely NLA? Or are they merely disinterested? Have you googled for latest info on G11 & G12 Plus availability? Is it being inferred an incompatibility issue, if so, what exactly?
> I guess sooner or later, when each of us need to obtain new supply, could be the sort of questions each of us may have to delve into.
> Ken
>
> To: Syncro_T3_Australia@yahoogroups.com
> From: greg_navarro95@...
> Date: Wed, 9 Nov 2011 13:16:24 +0000
> Subject: [Syncro_T3_Australia] Re: Coolant and radiator service
>
>
>
>
>
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>
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>
>
> hello
>
> I went to buy coolant from my local VW dealer today and the only coolant they had was G12 plus plus. just wondering if we have decided if this modern coolant is suitable for our vehicles. Thanks Greg
>
>
>
> --- In Syncro_T3_Australia@yahoogroups.com, Ken Garratt <unclekenz@> wrote:
>
> >
>
> >
>
> > Dave,
>
> >
>
> >
>
> >
>
> > What's typically available near me from VW parts suppliers is german
>
> > product VAICO VA-012 Plus coolant, violet in colour. On the label it states "It
>
> > should be used all-year-round in a mixing ratio of 1 to 1 to provide the
>
> > necessary protection against frost, overheating, corrosion and calcium
>
> > deposits." Not sure which G12 Plus label you've been reading.
>
> >
>
> >
>
> >
>
> > Interestingly a Google search for "G12 Plus" also brings up reference to a "G12 Plus Plus", for which it states "this the
>
> > latest generation of coolant from VW/Audi. G12 Plus Plus coolant can be mixed
>
> > with either blue G11 or pink G12 coolant like G12 Plus can, but it also
>
> > includes updated additives for the latest generation of VW/Audi engines. G12
>
> > Plus Plus provides maximum corrosion protection for all engine parts and
>
> > maximum heat transfer for improved cooling in modern high performance engines.
>
> > Coolant is concentrate, to be mixed 1:1 with water."
>
> >
>
> > Goto: http://www.ecwerks.com/fluids-and-lubricants/coolant/coolant-vw-audi-g12-plus-plus-1-5l-bottle.html
>
> >
>
> >
>
> >
>
> > Unlike G12 Plus, which is "silicate free", G12 Plus Plus has,
>
> > amongst other things, silicate added, for newer generation motors such as the
>
> > Phaeton, goto: http://www.volkswagen.com/vwcms/master_public/virtualmaster/en2/unternehmen/volkswagen_genuine/genuine_parts/coolant_additive/new_recipe_for_premium_vehicles.html
>
> > . It now begs the question, "is G12 Plus Plus" designed only for
>
> > newer generation engines such as the Phaeton as stated, so by inference not
>
> > relevant to the WBX 2.1?
>
> >
>
> >
>
> >
>
> > If G12 Plus Plus ever reaches our shores, will both products be
>
> > available in parallel or will "Plus Plus" supersede "Plus"
>
> > and "G11"? Pandoras Box on coolants opened yet again?
>
> >
>
> >
>
> >
>
> > In any event, I'll stand corrected if previous generation G11 offers
>
> > superior corrosion protection compared to its newer generation ... G12 Plus.
>
> >
>
> >
>
> >
>
> > Cheers.
>
> >
>
> >
>
> >
>
> > Ken
>
> >
>
> > To: Syncro_T3_Australia@yahoogroups.com
>
> > From: davidleibmann@
>
> > Date: Tue, 18 Oct 2011 21:55:09 +0000
>
> > Subject: [Syncro_T3_Australia] Re: Coolant and radiator service
>
> >
>
> >
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> > On the G12++ bottle there is no claims of having anticorrosion qualities written on it. Despite G11 having the same active ingredient Ethanediol, G11 claims to have anticorrosion qualities which is written in bold. Believe it or not its a personal choice at the end of the day. I chose G11 this time round and hopefully it will slow down the melting of all those nasty metals
>
> >
>
> > Cheers Dave
>
> >
>
> >
>
> >
>
> > --- In Syncro_T3_Australia@yahoogroups.com, Ken Garratt <unclekenz@> wrote:
>
> >
>
> > >
>
> >
>
> > >
>
> >
>
> > > I'm at a loss to understand what is at all wrong with VW's latest coolant concentrate ... G12 Plus. How is reverting to G11, an earlier version, a better alternative?
>
> >
>
> > > I prefer 50:50 mix with distilled water, gives me some latitude if I drop any and can top it up with straight distilled water should I get caught short of concentrate.
>
> >
>
> > > Ken
>
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> > > To: Syncro_T3_Australia@yahoogroups.com
>
> >
>
> > > From: davidleibmann@
>
> >
>
> > > Date: Tue, 18 Oct 2011 07:28:18 +0000
>
> >
>
> > > Subject: [Syncro_T3_Australia] Coolant and radiator service
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>
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Greg,

I suggest that you ring either Volkwerke or Volkspower or both because they both stock G11 and G12.   Forget the Volkswagen Australia “help” line.

Les

 

From: Syncro_T3_Australia@yahoogroups.com [mailto: Syncro_T3_Australia@yahoogroups.com ] On Behalf Of Greg
Sent: 10 November 2011 11:15
To: Syncro_T3_Australia@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [Syncro_T3_Australia] Re: Coolant and radiator service

 

 

I have rung VW Australia customer service line this morning and was put through to the parts division. They informed me G11 and G12 plus are no longer available and have been replaced by G12 plus plus.

Greg

-_._,___

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Thanks Les Greg

--- In Syncro_T3_Australia@yahoogroups.com, "Les Harris" <leslieharris@...> wrote:
>
> Greg,
>
> I suggest that you ring either Volkwerke or Volkspower or both because they
> both stock G11 and G12. Forget the Volkswagen Australia "help" line.
>
> Les
>
>
>
> _____
>
> From: Syncro_T3_Australia@yahoogroups.com
> [mailto:Syncro_T3_Australia@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Greg
> Sent: 10 November 2011 11:15
> To: Syncro_T3_Australia@yahoogroups.com
> Subject: [Syncro_T3_Australia] Re: Coolant and radiator service
>
>
>
>
>
> I have rung VW Australia customer service line this morning and was put
> through to the parts division. They informed me G11 and G12 plus are no
> longer available and have been replaced by G12 plus plus.
>
> Greg
>
> -_._,___
>
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A point sometimes missing in discussions such as this is the fact that no vehicle manufacturer tests every new or upgraded product to see if it is suitable for an engine that ceases production twenty years ago.  

In a recent conversation with Lloyd Davies about coolant, he said that the G11 was the coolant originally specified for the MV engine and it worked well.

The only way to tell if the later spec G12+ and G12++ is suitable for an engine that has been out of production for 20 years is to run life tests, which is a gigantically expensive process.  

We know that G11 works.   We do not know for sure how well G12+ and G12++ works.   Whilst it is unlikely that the G12’s will have any detrimental effects, we do not know that.   They won’t have any improvement in cooling ability.    

The safe course is to run the originally specified G11.

Les  

From: Syncro_T3_Australia@yahoogroups.com [mailto: Syncro_T3_Australia@yahoogroups.com ] On Behalf Of Greg
Sent: 10 November 2011 11:15
To: Syncro_T3_Australia@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [Syncro_T3_Australia] Re: Coolant and radiator service

 

I have rung VW Australia customer service line this morning and was put through to the parts division. They informed me G11 and G12 plus are no longer available and have been replaced by G12 plus plus.

Greg

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VW parts people say that G11 has been replaced by G12++. Not that G12++ is suitable.

We have to be careful not to read something in that is not there.

Don't assume anything.



> Les Harris <leslieharris@optusnet.com.au> wrote:
>
> A point sometimes missing in discussions such as this is the fact that
> no
> vehicle manufacturer tests every new or upgraded product to see if it is
> suitable for an engine that ceases production twenty years ago.
>
> In a recent conversation with Lloyd Davies about coolant, he said that
> the
> G11 was the coolant originally specified for the MV engine and it worked
> well.
>
> The only way to tell if the later spec G12+ and G12++ is suitable for an
> engine that has been out of production for 20 years is to run life
> tests,
> which is a gigantically expensive process.
>
> We know that G11 works. We do not know for sure how well G12+ and
> G12++
> works. Whilst it is unlikely that the G12's will have any detrimental
> effects, we do not know that. They won't have any improvement in
> cooling
> ability.
>
> The safe course is to run the originally specified G11.
>
> Les
>
> _____
>
> From: Syncro_T3_Australia@yahoogroups.com
> [mailto:Syncro_T3_Australia@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Greg
> Sent: 10 November 2011 11:15
> To: Syncro_T3_Australia@yahoogroups.com
> Subject: [Syncro_T3_Australia] Re: Coolant and radiator service
>
>
>
> I have rung VW Australia customer service line this morning and was put
> through to the parts division. They informed me G11 and G12 plus are no
> longer available and have been replaced by G12 plus plus.
>
> Greg
>
> ,___