Mounting LT Mirror

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Greg E.

 

My large mirror from Glassic Parts finally arrived.

A question on mounting it - I know how Ken did it-very carefully predrilled for

self-tapping  screws. Is that how you did it or are there threaded inserts available?

Thanks

Theo

 

2

I know the GoWesty kit come with nutserts and have seen a fitting thread on the samba using nutserts. Have a look on eBay for them.


Brent 



---In Syncro_T3_Australia@yahoogroups.com, <teows@...> wrote:

Greg E.

 

My large mirror from Glassic Parts finally arrived.

A question on mounting it - I know how Ken did it-very carefully predrilled for

self-tapping  screws. Is that how you did it or are there threaded inserts available?

Thanks

Theo

 

3
Theo you find them at any Screws / Fasteners bus. They might lend out the special pliers to fit them.
Hart



On 25/11/2013, at 4:50 PM, Theo Weiss wrote:

 

Greg E.

 

My large mirror from Glassic Parts finally arrived.

A question on mounting it - I know how Ken did it-very carefully predrilled for

self-tapping  screws. Is that how you did it or are there threaded inserts available?

Thanks

Theo

 



4
Hi Greg,
I have done a few LT mirrors now with the nutsert. There are several different types of nutsert that are available, make sure you use the ones with the larger rib on the sides so they don't spin on you. also I have Loctite and used number drill to ensure a press fit then crimped them in. If the nutsert spin on you they are a pain as the hole is well oversized for the bolt.
Cheers, Michael Roberts


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Theo you find them at any Screws / Fasteners bus. They might lend out the special pliers to fit them.
Hart



On 25/11/2013, at 4:50 PM, Theo Weiss wrote:


Greg E.

My large mirror from Glassic Parts finally arrived.

A question on mounting it - I know how Ken did it-very carefully predrilled for

self-tapping screws. Is that how you did it or are there threaded inserts available?

Thanks

Theo



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Yes Michael I agree. I have used poor quality nutserts and had them spin. I generally use imperial drills or drills from my tap set to get a tight fit.
Ken, I don't see how machine screws are any better than taper screws. The metal is to thin to have the necessary amount of threads to hold its proper load.  Self tapers are at least designed for sheet metal. The correct method is to add bulk as VW did on the lower bolt of the electric mirrors. They fitted a nutsert.


On Monday, 25 November 2013 6:47 PM, Hartmut <hartis@live.com.au> wrote:
 
Theo you find them at any Screws / Fasteners bus. They might lend out the special pliers to fit them.
Hart



On 25/11/2013, at 4:50 PM, Theo Weiss wrote:

 

Greg E.
 
My large mirror from Glassic Parts finally arrived.
A question on mounting it - I know how Ken did it-very carefully predrilled for
self-tapping  screws. Is that how you did it or are there threaded inserts available?
Thanks
Theo
 




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Looked up ETK. This is the part number of the gen self taper used by VW in that spot.
N 014 108 5 oval hd. csk. self-tapp. screw B5,5X16 4


On Monday, 25 November 2013 7:31 PM, Greg Esposito <gregespo73@yahoo.com> wrote:
 
Yes Michael I agree. I have used poor quality nutserts and had them spin. I generally use imperial drills or drills from my tap set to get a tight fit.
Ken, I don't see how machine screws are any better than taper screws. The metal is to thin to have the necessary amount of threads to hold its proper load.  Self tapers are at least designed for sheet metal. The correct method is to add bulk as VW did on the lower bolt of the electric mirrors. They fitted a nutsert.


On Monday, 25 November 2013 6:47 PM, Hartmut <hartis@live.com.au> wrote:
 
Theo you find them at any Screws / Fasteners bus. They might lend out the special pliers to fit them.
Hart



On 25/11/2013, at 4:50 PM, Theo Weiss wrote:

 

Greg E.
 
My large mirror from Glassic Parts finally arrived.
A question on mounting it - I know how Ken did it-very carefully predrilled for
self-tapping  screws. Is that how you did it or are there threaded inserts available?
Thanks
Theo
 






7
Hi Greg,
Feel free to swing on my mirror arm should we ever meet. The acid test.
Cheers.
Ken 


To: Syncro_T3_Australia@yahoogroups.com
From: gregespo73@yahoo.com
Date: Mon, 25 Nov 2013 00:31:29 -0800
Subject: Re: [Syncro_T3_Australia] Mounting LT Mirror

 

Yes Michael I agree. I have used poor quality nutserts and had them spin. I generally use imperial drills or drills from my tap set to get a tight fit.
Ken, I don't see how machine screws are any better than taper screws. The metal is to thin to have the necessary amount of threads to hold its proper load.  Self tapers are at least designed for sheet metal. The correct method is to add bulk as VW did on the lower bolt of the electric mirrors. They fitted a nutsert.


On Monday, 25 November 2013 6:47 PM, Hartmut <hartis@live.com.au> wrote:
 
Theo you find them at any Screws / Fasteners bus. They might lend out the special pliers to fit them.
Hart



On 25/11/2013, at 4:50 PM, Theo Weiss wrote:

 

Greg E.
 
My large mirror from Glassic Parts finally arrived.
A question on mounting it - I know how Ken did it-very carefully predrilled for
self-tapping  screws. Is that how you did it or are there threaded inserts available?
Thanks
Theo
 





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And you can hang off mine with self taper screws. Only I think I am getting the good end of the bargain as I weigh 92kg.


On Monday, 25 November 2013 8:12 PM, Ken Garratt <unclekenz@hotmail.com> wrote:
 
Hi Greg,
Feel free to swing on my mirror arm should we ever meet. The acid test.
Cheers.
Ken 


To: Syncro_T3_Australia@yahoogroups.com
From: gregespo73@yahoo.com
Date: Mon, 25 Nov 2013 00:31:29 -0800
Subject: Re: [Syncro_T3_Australia] Mounting LT Mirror

 

Yes Michael I agree. I have used poor quality nutserts and had them spin. I generally use imperial drills or drills from my tap set to get a tight fit.
Ken, I don't see how machine screws are any better than taper screws. The metal is to thin to have the necessary amount of threads to hold its proper load.  Self tapers are at least designed for sheet metal. The correct method is to add bulk as VW did on the lower bolt of the electric mirrors. They fitted a nutsert.


On Monday, 25 November 2013 6:47 PM, Hartmut <hartis@live.com.au> wrote:
 
Theo you find them at any Screws / Fasteners bus. They might lend out the special pliers to fit them.
Hart



On 25/11/2013, at 4:50 PM, Theo Weiss wrote:

 

Greg E.
 
My large mirror from Glassic Parts finally arrived.
A question on mounting it - I know how Ken did it-very carefully predrilled for
self-tapping  screws. Is that how you did it or are there threaded inserts available?
Thanks
Theo
 







9

B'hell now I have three choices doing it - Ken's way, get a Nutsert tool or use self tapers!!

Thanks for all the info.

Theo

 

From: Syncro_T3_Australia@yahoogroups.com [mailto:Syncro_T3_Australia@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Ken Garratt
Sent: Monday, 25 November 2013 8:10 PM
To: _T3_Australia forum Syncro
Subject: RE: [Syncro_T3_Australia] Mounting LT Mirror

 

 

Hi Greg,

Feel free to swing on my mirror arm should we ever meet. The acid test.

Cheers.

Ken 

To: Syncro_T3_Australia@yahoogroups.com
From: gregespo73@yahoo.com
Date: Mon, 25 Nov 2013 00:31:29 -0800
Subject: Re: [Syncro_T3_Australia] Mounting LT Mirror

 

 

Yes Michael I agree. I have used poor quality nutserts and had them spin. I generally use imperial drills or drills from my tap set to get a tight fit.

Ken, I don't see how machine screws are any better than taper screws. The metal is to thin to have the necessary amount of threads to hold its proper load.  Self tapers are at least designed for sheet metal. The correct method is to add bulk as VW did on the lower bolt of the electric mirrors. They fitted a nutsert.

 

On Monday, 25 Novembe r 2013 6:47 PM, Hartmut <hartis@live.com.au> wrote:

 

Theo you find them at any Screws / Fasteners bus. They might lend out the special pliers to fit them.

Hart

 

 

 

On 25/11/2013, at 4:50 PM, Theo Weiss wrote:

 

 

 

Greg E.

 

My large mirror from Glassic Parts finally arrived.

A question on mounting it - I know how Ken did it-very carefully predrilled for

self-tapping  screws. Is that how you did it or are there threaded inserts available?

Thanks

Theo

 

 

 

 

 

10
Theo, hi, just check out Go Westy  the rivnut tool is US 4.95 and 6 rivnuts M6 are US 9.95  maybe worth checking...Hart



On 25/11/2013, at 8:58 PM, Theo Weiss wrote:

 

B'hell now I have three choices doing it - Ken's way, get a Nutsert tool or use self tapers!!

Thanks for all the info.

Theo

 

From: Syncro_T3_Australia@yahoogroups.com [mailto:Syncro_T3_Australia@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Ken Garratt
Sent: Monday, 25 November 2013 8:10 PM
To: _T3_Australia forum Syncro
Subject: RE: [Syncro_T3_Australia] Mounting LT Mirror

 

 

Hi Greg,

Feel free to swing on my mirror arm should we ever meet. The acid test.

Cheers.

Ken 

To: Syncro_T3_Australia@yahoogroups.com
From: gregespo73@yahoo.com
Date: Mon, 25 Nov 2013 00:31:29 -0800
Subject: Re: [Syncro_T3_Australia] Mounting LT Mirror

 

 

Yes Michael I agree. I have used poor quality nutserts and had them spin. I generally use imperial drills or drills from my tap set to get a tight fit.

Ken, I don't see how machine screws are any better than taper screws. The metal is to thin to have the necessary amount of threads to hold its proper load.  Self tapers are at least designed for sheet metal. The correct method is to add bulk as VW did on the lower bolt of the electric mirrors. They fitted a nutsert.

 

On Monday, 25 Novembe r 2013 6:47 PM, Hartmut <hartis@live.com.au> wrote:

 

Theo you find them at any Screws / Fasteners bus. They might lend out the special pliers to fit them.

Hart

 

 

 

On 25/11/2013, at 4:50 PM, Theo Weiss wrote:

 

 

 

Greg E.

 

My large mirror from Glassic Parts finally arrived.

A question on mounting it - I know how Ken did it-very carefully predrilled for

self-tapping  screws. Is that how you did it or are there threaded inserts available?

Thanks

Theo

 

 

 

 

 



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Hartmut,

Too late, have ordered one on eBay.

Theo

 

From: Syncro_T3_Australia@yahoogroups.com [mailto:Syncro_T3_Australia@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Hartmut
Sent: Thursday, 28 November 2013 11:31 AM
To: Syncro_T3_Australia@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [Syncro_T3_Australia] Mounting LT Mirror

 

 

Theo, hi, just check out Go Westy  the rivnut tool is US 4.95 and 6 rivnuts M6 are US 9.95  maybe worth checking...Hart

 

 

 

On 25/11/2013, at 8:58 PM, Theo Weiss wrote:



 

 

B'hell now I have three choices doing it - Ken's way, get a Nutsert tool or use self tapers!!

Thanks for all the info.

Theo

 

From: Syncro_T3_Australia@yahoogroups.com [mailto:Syncro_T3_Australia@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Ken Garratt
Sent: Monday, 25 November 2013 8:10 PM
To: _T3_Austral ia forum Syncro
Subject: RE: [Syncro_T3_Australia] Mounting LT Mirror

 

 

Hi Greg,

Feel free to swing on my mirror arm should we ever meet. The acid test.

Cheers.

Ken 


To: Syncro_T3_Australia@yahoogroups.com
From: gregespo7 3@yahoo.com
Date: Mon, 25 Nov 2013 00:31:29 -0800
Subject: Re: [Syncro_T3_Australia] Mounting LT Mirror

 

 

Yes Michael I agree. I have used poor quality nutserts and had them spin. I generally use imperial drills or drills from my tap set to get a tight fit.

Ken, I don't see how machine screws are any better than taper screws. The metal is to thin to have the necessary amount of threads to hold its proper load.  Self tapers are at least designed for sheet metal. The correct method is to add bulk as VW did on the lower bolt of the electric mirrors. They fitted a nutsert.

 

On Monday, 25 Novembe r 2013 6:47 PM, Hartmut <hartis@live.com.au> wrote:

 

Theo you find them at any Screws / Fasteners bus. They might lend out the special pliers to fit them.

Hart

 

 

 

On 25/11/2013, at 4:50 PM, Theo Weiss wrote:

 

 

 

Greg E.

 

My large mirror from Glassic Parts finally arrived.

A question on mounting it - I know how Ken did it-very carefully predrilled for

self-tapping  screws. Is that how you did it or are there threaded inserts available?

Thanks

Theo

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

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You have done the right thing Theo. The Gowesty "tool" is just a bolt and nut. Much harder to do it that way and not as clean as the proper tool. You will be able to have crazy old men swing off your mirrors this way!


On Friday, 29 November 2013 12:39 PM, Theo Weiss <teows@melbpc.org.au> wrote:
 
Hartmut,
Too late, have ordered one on eBay.
Theo
 
From: Syncro_T3_Australia@yahoogroups.com [mailto:Syncro_T3_Australia@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Hartmut
Sent: Thursday, 28 November 2013 11:31 AM
To: Syncro_T3_Australia@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [Syncro_T3_Australia] Mounting LT Mirror
 
 
Theo, hi, just check out Go Westy  the rivnut tool is US 4.95 and 6 rivnuts M6 are US 9.95  maybe worth checking...Hart
 
 
 
On 25/11/2013, at 8:58 PM, Theo Weiss wrote:


 
 
B'hell now I have three choices doing it - Ken's way, get a Nutsert tool or use self tapers!!
Thanks for all the info.
Theo
 
From: Syncro_T3_Australia@yahoogroups.com [mailto:Syncro_T3_Australia@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Ken Garratt
Sent: Monday, 25 November 2013 8:10 PM
To: _T3_Austral ia forum Syncro
Subject: RE: [Syncro_T3_Australia] Mounting LT Mirror
 
 
Hi Greg,
Feel free to swing on my mirror arm should we ever meet. The acid test.
Cheers.
Ken 


To: Syncro_T3_Australia@yahoogroups.com
From: mailto:gregespo73@yahoo.com
Date: Mon, 25 Nov 2013 00:31:29 -0800
Subject: Re: [Syncro_T3_Australia] Mounting LT Mirror

 
 
Yes Michael I agree. I have used poor quality nutserts and had them spin. I generally use imperial drills or drills from my tap set to get a tight fit.
Ken, I don't see how machine screws are any better than taper screws. The metal is to thin to have the necessary amount of threads to hold its proper load.  Self tapers are at least designed for sheet metal. The correct method is to add bulk as VW did on the lower bolt of the electric mirrors. They fitted a nutsert.
 
On Monday, 25 Novembe r 2013 6:47 PM, Hartmut <hartis@live.com.au> wrote:
 
Theo you find them at any Screws / Fasteners bus. They might lend out the special pliers to fit them.
Hart
 
 
 
On 25/11/2013, at 4:50 PM, Theo Weiss wrote:
 
 
 
Greg E.
 
My large mirror from Glassic Parts finally arrived.
A question on mounting it - I know how Ken did it-very carefully predrilled for
self-tapping  screws. Is that how you did it or are there threaded inserts available?
Thanks
Theo
 
 
 
 
 
 
 


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I have used many in the construction of experimental vehicles.  My mechanics made up their own tool for tightening the inserts and they never moved!!  The success of the system depends on proper installation of the insert.  It must be absolutely tight, which is why the lever tool is used.  With such a tool, it is impossible to get it any tighter and it will never rotate.

 

 

 

 

Correctly installed, you certainly can hang on it!!  The pop rivet type installation tools are OK so long as the tool itself is very big and very, very strong.  The lever type tool is still better than the pop rivet type tool.

They are relatively easy to make.

Les

From: Syncro_T3_Australia@yahoogroups.com [mailto:Syncro_T3_Australia@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Greg Esposito
Sent: 29 November 2013 13:48
To: Syncro_T3_Australia@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [Syncro_T3_Australia] Mounting LT Mirror

 

 

You have done the right thing Theo. The Gowesty "tool" is just a bolt and nut. Much harder to do it that way and not as clean as the proper tool. You will be able to have crazy old men swing off your mirrors this way!

 

On Friday, 29 November 2013 12:39 PM, Theo Weiss <teows@melbpc.org.au> wrote:

 

Hartmut,

Too late, have ordered one on eBay.

Theo

 

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Les,

I share your concern. The way the tool works: put a bolt through the hole and screw it into the insert to

thighten the last bit ? Is this how it works?

Cheers,

Theo

 

From: Syncro_T3_Australia@yahoogroups.com [mailto:Syncro_T3_Australia@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Les Harris
Sent: Friday, 29 November 2013 2:06 PM
To: Syncro_T3_Australia@yahoogroups.com
Subject: RE: [Syncro_T3_Australia] Mounting LT Mirror

 

 

I have used many in the construction of experimental vehicles.  My mechanics made up their own tool for tightening the inserts and they never moved!!  The success of the system depends on proper installation of the insert.  It must be absolutely tight, which is why the lever tool is used.  With such a tool, it is impossible to get it any tighter and it will never rotate.

 

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Correctly installed, you certainly can hang on it!!  The pop rivet type installation tools are OK so long as the tool itself is very big and very, very strong.  The lever type tool is still better than the pop rivet type tool.

They are relatively easy to make.

Les

From: Syncro_T3_Australia@yahoogroups.com [mailto:Syncro_T3_Australia@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Greg Esposito
Sent: 29 November 2013 13:48
To: Syncro_T3_Australia@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [Syncro_T3_Australia] Mounting LT Mirror

 

 

You have done the right thing Theo. The Gowesty "tool" is just a bolt and nut. Much harder to do it that way and not as clean as the proper tool. You will be able to have crazy old men swing off your mirrors this way!

 

On Friday, 29 November 2013 12:39 PM, Theo Weiss <teows@melbpc.org.au> wrote:

 

Hartmut,

Too late, have ordered one on eBay.

Theo

 

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Hi All,

My nutsert tool is quite sturdy but I needed to put an extension on.  I managed to install steel inserts, but made sure that they are absolutely tight with the screw & nut setup. As long as you use a star or serrated washer between the nut & the insert. Sorry I did not take a photo doing this -  too anxious at getting it right.

Now have to get used  to the vision.  I like the fact that you can flip them out of the way.

 

Cheers,

Theo

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Hi Theo, looks very pro, better bring the tool along to Valla next year. Seeing that it will run for a full week , you could be busy....Hartmut


On 08/12/2013, at 10:21 AM, Theo Weiss wrote:

 

Hi All,

My nutsert tool is quite sturdy but I needed to put an extension on.  I managed to install steel inserts, but made sure that they are absolutely tight with the screw & nut setup. As long as you use a star or serrated washer between the nut & the insert. Sorry I did not take a photo doing this -  too anxious at getting it right.

Now have to get used  to the vision.  I like the fact that you can flip them out of the way.

 

Cheers,

Theo


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We have a new member, Andrea, who is touring Australia .  She is staying with me in Melbourne while we get a few things sorted on her Syncro.  While this is being done, she would like to find and fit a VAG seat swivel.  If anyone has one they are prepared to part with, she would be a very happy lady.

Les

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Be aware that a non-seat swivel seat is thicker on the bottom than a sweat build to go on a swivel..as the swivel raises the seat about 2 inches.
if the person is small, they may like their increased eyeball altitude in the van.
if they are large......
take it into consideration. Some seats come out way high put on top of a swivel.

Scott
southern oregon usa

On 12/9/2013 11:57 PM, Les Harris wrote:
 

 

We have a new member, Andrea, who is touring Australia.  She is staying with me in Melbourne while we get a few things sorted on her Syncro.  While this is being done, she would like to find and fit a VAG seat swivel.  If anyone has one they are prepared to part with, she would be a very happy lady.

Les