Muffler

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Hello just wondering where the place to buy a new muffler for my 2.1 petrol Syncro? Are the 2WD mufflers the same as for a Syncro?  Regards Greg WA
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Hi Greg,
Etka lists the same muffler part no for 2WD and 4WD. It's stated as 025 251 053N (Long Life version)

Van Cafe uses the same part no:

Just Kampers uses a different part no and so maybe hard to determine suitability/quality, no mention of MV motor:

Ask your local syncro Perth mechanic re sourcing or else local VW service department?

Cheers.
Ken


 


To: Syncro_T3_Australia@yahoogroups.com
From: greg_navarro95@yahoo.com
Date: Tue, 18 Mar 2014 17:53:28 -0700
Subject: [Syncro_T3_Australia] Muffler

 

Hello just wondering where the place to buy a new muffler for my 2.1 petrol Syncro? Are the 2WD mufflers the same as for a Syncro?  Regards Greg WA

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Greg,

Two years ago I bought the one from Van-Cafe. The muffler is much lighter not as strongly built as the original VW one.

You can see straight through - is that what they call a thru flow muffler?  Otherwise I have no problems so far.

Cheers,

Theo

 

From: Syncro_T3_Australia@yahoogroups.com [mailto:Syncro_T3_Australia@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Greg Navarro
Sent: Wednesday, 19 March 2014 11:53 AM
To: Syncro_T3_Australia@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [Syncro_T3_Australia] Muffler

 

 

Hello just wondering where the place to buy a new muffler for my 2.1 petrol Syncro? Are the 2WD mufflers the same as for a Syncro?  Regards Greg WA

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I ordered the muffler from just kampers a couple of years ago and what arrived was a muffler for a non catalytic muffler system used in usa. The non cat system uses a longer muffler to occupy the space where the cat was. The longer muffler sticks out past the rear wheel. All aussie t3 have cats so they must have mixed up their stock. Specify the length of your muuffler if ordering from just kampers in case they still have usa stock. Bill
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Thanks Gentleman.  I have sent a request for freight costs to Van Cafe.
Interestingly VW doesnt have one in the country according to my local dealer and if they did it would be $723 + GST.  mmm a bit expensive I think. Greg


On Wednesday, 19 March 2014 12:08 PM, Theo Weiss <teows@melbpc.org.au> wrote:


Greg,
Two years ago I bought the one from Van-Cafe. The muffler is much lighter not as strongly built as the original VW one.
You can see straight through - is that what they call a thru flow muffler?  Otherwise I have no problems so far.
Cheers,
Theo
 
From: Syncro_T3_Australia@yahoogroups.com [mailto:Syncro_T3_Australia@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Greg Navarro
Sent: Wednesday, 19 March 2014 11:53 AM
To: Syncro_T3_Australia@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [Syncro_T3_Australia] Muffler
 
 
Hello just wondering where the place to buy a new muffler for my 2.1 petrol Syncro? Are the 2WD mufflers the same as for a Syncro?  Regards Greg WA




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Got mine from Van Cafe about 6 mths ago.
I believe Auto1 used to supply

Philippe

On 19/03/2014 3:12 PM, "Greg Navarro" <greg_navarro95@yahoo.com> wrote:
 

Thanks Gentleman.  I have sent a request for freight costs to Van Cafe.
Interestingly VW doesnt have one in the country according to my local dealer and if they did it would be $723 + GST.  mmm a bit expensive I think. Greg


On Wednesday, 19 March 2014 12:08 PM, Theo Weiss <teows@melbpc.org.au> wrote:


Greg,
Two years ago I bought the one from Van-Cafe. The muffler is much lighter not as strongly built as the original VW one.
You can see straight through - is that what they call a thru flow muffler?  Otherwise I have no problems so far.
Cheers,
Theo
 
From: Syncro_T3_Australia@yahoogroups.com [mailto:Syncro_T3_Australia@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Greg Navarro
Sent: Wednesday, 19 March 2014 11:53 AM
To: Syncro_T3_Australia@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [Syncro_T3_Australia] Muffler
 
 
Hello just wondering where the place to buy a new muffler for my 2.1 petrol Syncro? Are the 2WD mufflers the same as for a Syncro?  Regards Greg WA




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Got a Go Westy stainless steel muffler a couple of years ago. It is a straight through design , is good quality and sounds great. Cost me about $300 delivered back then. It arrived within a week of ordering. Eddie.
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i went to a carline muffler shop and had a s\s flow through muffler fitted for app $300-00 works great.
bob
On 19/03/2014 6:12 PM Greg Navarro wrote:

 

Thanks Gentleman.  I have sent a request for freight costs to Van Cafe.
Interestingly VW doesnt have one in the country according to my local dealer and if they did it would be $723 + GST.  mmm a bit expensive I think. Greg


On Wednesday, 19 March 2014 12:08 PM, Theo Weiss <teows@melbpc.org.au> wrote:


Greg,
Two years ago I bought the one from Van-Cafe. The muffler is much lighter not as strongly built as the original VW one.
You can see straight through - is that what they call a thru flow muffler?  Otherwise I have no problems so far.
Cheers,
Theo
 
From: Syncro_T3_Australia@yahoogroups.com [mailto:Syncro_T3_Australia@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Greg Navarro
Sent: Wednesday, 19 March 2014 11:53 AM
To: Syncro_T3_Australia@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [Syncro_T3_Australia] Muffler
 
Hello just wondering where the place to buy a new muffler for my 2.1 petrol Syncro? Are the 2WD mufflers the same as for a Syncro?  Regards Greg WA





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What is the difference between a flow through muffler and the original muffler?  Greg


On Thursday, 20 March 2014 3:41 AM, "rcdale@bigpond.com" <rcdale@bigpond.com> wrote:



 
i went to a carline muffler shop and had a s\s flow through muffler fitted for app $300-00 works great.
bob
On 19/03/2014 6:12 PM Greg Navarro wrote:

 
Thanks Gentleman.  I have sent a request for freight costs to Van Cafe.
Interestingly VW doesnt have one in the country according to my local dealer and if they did it would be $723 + GST.  mmm a bit expensive I think. Greg


On Wednesday, 19 March 2014 12:08 PM, Theo Weiss <teows@melbpc.org.au> wrote:


Greg,
Two years ago I bought the one from Van-Cafe. The muffler is much lighter not as strongly built as the original VW one.
You can see straight through - is that what they call a thru flow muffler?  Otherwise I have no problems so far.
Cheers,
Theo
 
From: Syncro_T3_Australia@yahoogroups.com [mailto:Syncro_T3_Australia@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Greg Navarro
Sent: Wednesday, 19 March 2014 11:53 AM
To: Syncro_T3_Australia@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [Syncro_T3_Australia] Muffler
 
Hello just wondering where the place to buy a new muffler for my 2.1 petrol Syncro? Are the 2WD mufflers the same as for a Syncro?  Regards Greg WA









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Why go to the enormous expense of importing a non-genuine muffler when you can buy one here in Australia? Just go to any good muffler shop and they will adapt a muffler to fit, or make one. Stainless Steel? Straight through or offset? Sports? They will explain the pros and cons and make whatever you want.

Just make sure you talk to the right bloke, not the apprentice.

I once had a T3 with a non-standard muffler. My mate at the muffler shop told me you just find a muffler on the rack that is the right dimensions, and cut the flange of your old muffler to use on the new one. They do the same with the tailpipe. If it is rusted out, they can make a new tailpipe and bend it to any shape you want. How about a chrome tip?

I have bought mufflers from Tooley Imports (Waitara, Sydney) that last for years and fit, look and sound just the same as the original. Mine is about 10 years old, still in good nick.

Most aftermarket VW shops sell flange gaskets and complete hardware kits containing every nut, bolt and gasket you need. I like to spend the extra money on 8mm x1.25 brass nuts, so they are easier to remove next time.

Check out the two large saddle brackets that restrain the muffler. They often rust out. Buy two new ones even if you don't need them now, because they will be hard to get one day.

A good muffler shop will make up their own, but it is cheaper to buy them off the shelf.

Beware a trap for the unwary though - don't by the special "Syncro" tailpipe, which is bent to tuck up higher to improve departure angle. It works fine on LHD vehicles where the muffler exits on the left. But on RHD vehicles, the tailpipe faces the other way, and reduces ground clearance.

You can replace the muffler quite easily at home if you have all the parts at hand. The only thing you occasionally need is a gas axe to cut off rusted bolts, (not usually a problem with genuine German nuts and bolts).

Cheers, Roger Beetle Bayley.


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" It works fine on LHD vehicles where the muffler exits on the left. But on RHD vehicles, the tailpipe faces the other way, and reduces ground clearance."
Same same lhd rhd
From: Roger Bayley <gullyraker53@gmail.com>
To: Syncro_T3_Australia@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Friday, 21 March 2014 5:13 PM
Subject: [Syncro_T3_Australia] Re: Muffler

 
Why go to the enormous expense of importing a non-genuine muffler when you can buy one here in Australia? Just go to any good muffler shop and they will adapt a muffler to fit, or make one. Stainless Steel? Straight through or offset? Sports? They will explain the pros and cons and make whatever you want.

Just make sure you talk to the right bloke, not the apprentice.

I once had a T3 with a non-standard muffler. My mate at the muffler shop told me you just find a muffler on the rack that is the right dimensions, and cut the flange of your old muffler to use on the new one. They do the same with the tailpipe. If it is rusted out, they can make a new tailpipe and bend it to any shape you want. How about a chrome tip?

I have bought mufflers from Tooley Imports (Waitara, Sydney) that last for years and fit, look and sound just the same as the original. Mine is about 10 years old, still in good nick.

Most aftermarket VW shops sell flange gaskets and complete hardware kits containing every nut, bolt and gasket you need. I like to spend the extra money on 8mm x1.25 brass nuts, so they are easier to remove next time.

Check out the two large saddle brackets that restrain the muffler. They often rust out. Buy two new ones even if you don't need them now, because they will be hard to get one day.

A good muffler shop will make up their own, but it is cheaper to buy them off the shelf.

Beware a trap for the unwary though - don't by the special "Syncro" tailpipe, which is bent to tuck up higher to improve departure angle. It works fine on LHD vehicles where the muffler exits on the left. But on RHD vehicles, the tailpipe faces the other way, and reduces ground clearance. 

You can replace the muffler quite easily at home if you have all the parts at hand. The only thing you occasionally need is a gas axe to cut off rusted bolts, (not usually a problem with genuine German nuts and bolts).

Cheers, Roger Beetle Bayley.




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The tailpipe is the same for left or right hand drive on the 2WD muffler, but not on the 4WD.
I am referring to the outlet pipe bolted to the end of the muffler.
The muffler itself is identical on 4WD or 2WD.
The special "syncro" tailpipe is hard to find, and as it turns out, not worth the trouble for us here in Oz.
It is upside down when fitted to our vehicles - instead of increasing ground clearance/departure angle, it reduces it.
Those that attended the Shallow Crossing rally have seen one on my vehicle, and will know what I mean.
Just buy the 2WD one that you can find everywhere, or better still, have the muffler shop bend you up one that improves the departure angle and gives better fording depth.
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Rodger, Nothing is "upsidedown" when fitted to rhd. The syncro tail pipe (025 251 185 G) is always fitted on the rhs. It has that special shape to help prevent water inlet in water crossings. This is a picture off Gowesty's site the bus is lhd and as you can see the pipe hangs down in the same way.






From: Roger Bayley <gullyraker53@gmail.com>
To: Syncro_T3_Australia@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Saturday, 22 March 2014 12:27 AM
Subject: [Syncro_T3_Australia] Re: Muffler

 
The tailpipe is the same for left or right hand drive on the 2WD muffler, but not on the 4WD.
I am referring to the outlet pipe bolted to the end of the muffler.
The muffler itself is identical on 4WD or 2WD.
The special "syncro" tailpipe is hard to find, and as it turns out, not worth the trouble for us here in Oz.
It is upside down when fitted to our vehicles - instead of increasing ground clearance/departure angle, it reduces it.
Those that attended the Shallow Crossing rally have seen one on my vehicle, and will know what I mean.
Just buy the 2WD one that you can find everywhere, or better still, have the muffler shop bend you up one that improves the departure angle and gives better fording depth.


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Hi,

I have fix a few of my muffler over the years.  The VW ones seem to only rust out the outer sheet metal and the ends are all good.  So I just get a new outer rolled up,  it's an easy fix.  You can position the outlet where ever you want for clearance. I also drill a few more hole to make it breath better, the original ones are far to restrictive.

Cheers,
 

Michael R




On Saturday, March 22, 2014 7:30:44 AM, Greg Esposito <gregespo73@yahoo.com> wrote:
 
Rodger, Nothing is "upsidedown" when fitted to rhd. The syncro tail pipe (025 251 185 G) is always fitted on the rhs. It has that special shape to help prevent water inlet in water crossings. This is a picture off Gowesty's site the bus is lhd and as you can see the pipe hangs down in the same way.
alt






From: Roger Bayley <gullyraker53@gmail.com>
To: Syncro_T3_Australia@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Saturday, 22 March 2014 12:27 AM
Subject: [Syncro_T3_Australia] Re: Muffler

 
The tailpipe is the same for left or right hand drive on the 2WD muffler, but not on the 4WD.
I am referring to the outlet pipe bolted to the end of the muffler.
The muffler itself is identical on 4WD or 2WD.
The special "syncro" tailpipe is hard to find, and as it turns out, not worth the trouble for us here in Oz.
It is upside down when fitted to our vehicles - instead of increasing ground clearance/departure angle, it reduces it.
Those that attended the Shallow Crossing rally have seen one on my vehicle, and will know what I mean.
Just buy the 2WD one that you can find everywhere, or better still, have the muffler shop bend you up one that improves the departure angle and gives better fording depth.




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Here is a photo of a muffler stripped down with the sheet metal rolled ready to be welded up.  You can open up the exhaust as much as you like.  It will only reduce the muffling effect.

Cheers,

Michael R


On Saturday, March 22, 2014 11:00:36 AM, Michael Roberts <type500@yahoo.com> wrote:
 


Hi,

I have fix a few of my muffler over the years.  The VW ones seem to only rust out the outer sheet metal and the ends are all good.  So I just get a new outer rolled up,  it's an easy fix.  You can position the outlet where ever you want for clearance. I also drill a few more hole to make it breath better, the original ones are far to restrictive.

Cheers,
 

Michael R




On Saturday, March 22, 2014 7:30:44 AM, Greg Esposito <gregespo73@yahoo.com> wrote:
 
Rodger, Nothing is "upsidedown" when fitted to rhd. The syncro tail pipe (025 251 185 G) is always fitted on the rhs. It has that special shape to help prevent water inlet in water crossings. This is a picture off Gowesty's site the bus is lhd and as you can see the pipe hangs down in the same way.
alt






From: Roger Bayley <gullyraker53@gmail.com>
To: Syncro_T3_Australia@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Saturday, 22 March 2014 12:27 AM
Subject: [Syncro_T3_Australia] Re: Muffler

 
The tailpipe is the same for left or right hand drive on the 2WD muffler, but not on the 4WD.
I am referring to the outlet pipe bolted to the end of the muffler.
The muffler itself is identical on 4WD or 2WD.
The special "syncro" tailpipe is hard to find, and as it turns out, not worth the trouble for us here in Oz.
It is upside down when fitted to our vehicles - instead of increasing ground clearance/departure angle, it reduces it.
Those that attended the Shallow Crossing rally have seen one on my vehicle, and will know what I mean.
Just buy the 2WD one that you can find everywhere, or better still, have the muffler shop bend you up one that improves the departure angle and gives better fording depth.






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Thanks Michael. This helps me a lot and I think the way I will go with my muffler, repair and re use! I like it.
Greg



On Saturday, 22 March 2014 7:02 PM, Michael Roberts <type500@yahoo.com> wrote:


Here is a photo of a muffler stripped down with the sheet metal rolled ready to be welded up.  You can open up the exhaust as much as you like.  It will only reduce the muffling effect.

Cheers,

Michael R


On Saturday, March 22, 2014 11:00:36 AM, Michael Roberts <type500@yahoo.com> wrote:
 


Hi,

I have fix a few of my muffler over the years.  The VW ones seem to only rust out the outer sheet metal and the ends are all good.  So I just get a new outer rolled up,  it's an easy fix.  You can position the outlet where ever you want for clearance. I also drill a few more hole to make it breath better, the original ones are far to restrictive.

Cheers,
 

Michael R




On Saturday, March 22, 2014 7:30:44 AM, Greg Esposito <gregespo73@yahoo.com> wrote:
 
Rodger, Nothing is "upsidedown" when fitted to rhd. The syncro tail pipe (025 251 185 G) is always fitted on the rhs. It has that special shape to help prevent water inlet in water crossings. This is a picture off Gowesty's site the bus is lhd and as you can see the pipe hangs down in the same way.
alt






From: Roger Bayley <gullyraker53@gmail.com>
To: Syncro_T3_Australia@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Saturday, 22 March 2014 12:27 AM
Subject: [Syncro_T3_Australia] Re: Muffler

 
The tailpipe is the same for left or right hand drive on the 2WD muffler, but not on the 4WD.
I am referring to the outlet pipe bolted to the end of the muffler.
The muffler itself is identical on 4WD or 2WD.
The special "syncro" tailpipe is hard to find, and as it turns out, not worth the trouble for us here in Oz.
It is upside down when fitted to our vehicles - instead of increasing ground clearance/departure angle, it reduces it.
Those that attended the Shallow Crossing rally have seen one on my vehicle, and will know what I mean.
Just buy the 2WD one that you can find everywhere, or better still, have the muffler shop bend you up one that improves the departure angle and gives better fording depth.










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---- Greg Navarro <greg_navarro95@yahoo.com> wrote:
> What is the difference between a flow through muffler and the original muffler? Greg
> if you look through the muffler via the inlet and outlet openings on a free flow muffler youe will see straight through the back pressure is created via a tapered pipe inside, with a normal muffler the pipe basically is shaped like a S between the inlet and outlet openings.
Bob
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> On Thursday, 20 March 2014 3:41 AM, "rcdale@bigpond.com" <rcdale@bigpond.com> wrote:
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> i went to a carline muffler shop and had a s\s flow through muffler fitted for app $300-00 works great.
> bob
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> On 19/03/2014 6:12 PM Greg Navarro wrote:
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> Thanks Gentleman. I have sent a request for freight costs to Van Cafe.
> Interestingly VW doesnt have one in the country according to my local dealer and if they did it would be $723 + GST. mmm a bit expensive I think. Greg
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> On Wednesday, 19 March 2014 12:08 PM, Theo Weiss <teows@melbpc.org.au> wrote:
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> Greg,
> Two years ago I bought the one from Van-Cafe. The muffler is much lighter not as strongly built as the original VW one.
> You can see straight through - is that what they call a thru flow muffler? Otherwise I have no problems so far.
> Cheers,
> Theo
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> From:Syncro_T3_Australia@yahoogroups.com [mailto:Syncro_T3_Australia@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Greg Navarro
> Sent: Wednesday, 19 March 2014 11:53 AM
> To: Syncro_T3_Australia@yahoogroups.com
> Subject: [Syncro_T3_Australia] Muffler
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> Hello just wondering where the place to buy a new muffler for my 2.1 petrol Syncro? Are the 2WD mufflers the same as for a Syncro? Regards Greg WA
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