Nearly there, progress at last

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Hey peoples.
I have made progress in last week.
Finally bought all the needed air lines for lockers 3 from VW and 1
from my local "decent" tool shop.
Apparently i bought/sourced the last 3 in Aus from VW and the next
line which is the same but for a different
car(VWGolfGen3/SEATCordoba), cost a whopping 48bucks per 5mtr length.
Same shit different barrell.
VW price 8bucks something a piece
Calstar tool shop 73cents per metre. same stuff just black and not white.
Today i removed nose cone from old front diff made up a new gasket,
bought Gasket paper from Calstar, 8mm thick added blu max silicone
sealer and reattached the old to the new. Vwhalla, not as hard as i
thought it might have been.
Added 4.5ltrs of redline MT90, 75/90 GL4 full sythentic to the
transaxle Yes all old oil was dumped when partial rebuild took place,
and wound new air lines through spiral tubing.
I was a little scared at this point because i am running the same full
synthetic oil in front diff as transaxle.
Scared because it was suggested that i run a GL5 up front. This struck
me as strange when the answer given as to why was that the GL$ would
eventually do damage to the front internals. But not to the
transaxle(strange).
Recent web search provided the answer of clarity and infromed me that
the GL4 can be safely run in front diff, the GL4 is used if u are
having VC trouble and want to try the option of oils before a new VC
is the only option. Have added link for the answer. Yes i was kinda
worried.

Why heres the link.
http://syncro.org/Oils.htm

http://users.rcn.com/derekdrew/vanagon/viscous_couplings_vanagon_syncro.htm

Some of u may have already known of this link.

Hopefully tomorrow i will be able to throw the transaxle in, if the
back can handle the pain. But otherwise i will throw the fron diff in
for sure because this i know i can do by myself.. And run the air lines...
Heres the question for the gurus;
If i dont know what position the Propshaft was in before removal, how
likely is it that i can do major damage on installation/startup/running?
What is rememdy for this action?
Cheers
Roo
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--- In Syncro_T3_Australia@yahoogroups.com, "syncrosity4now" <syncrosity4now@...>
wrote:


> Recent web search provided the answer of clarity and infromed me that
> the GL4 can be safely run in front diff, the GL4 is used if u are
> having VC trouble and want to try the option of oils before a new VC

> If i dont know what position the Propshaft was in before removal, how
> likely is it that i can do major damage on installation/startup/running?
> What is rememdy for this action?

GL4/GL5 will have no effect on the action of the VC, as it is sealed.
Damage will only occur with major vibration while running or if installed too tight, giving
pressure on gearbox output. You may get minor vibration from not installing the
propshaft in its original position ( tedious remedy is then rotate propshaft flanges through
the 8 possible positions), but most vibration will be from misalignment of the front diff
and gearbox. ( numerous posts in syncro.org or web on alignment ) This will occcur
around 60-70 Kph and can be teeth -shattering.

Good luck,
Bob T
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--- In Syncro_T3_Australia@yahoogroups.com, "Bob & Toni Turnbull"
<bobturn@...> wrote:
>
> --- In Syncro_T3_Australia@yahoogroups.com, "syncrosity4now"
<syncrosity4now@>
> wrote:
>
>
> > Recent web search provided the answer of clarity and infromed me that
> > the GL4 can be safely run in front diff, the GL4 is used if u are
> > having VC trouble and want to try the option of oils before a new VC
>
> > If i dont know what position the Propshaft was in before removal, how
> > likely is it that i can do major damage on
installation/startup/running?
> > What is rememdy for this action?
>
> GL4/GL5 will have no effect on the action of the VC, as it is sealed.
> Damage will only occur with major vibration while running or if
installed too tight, giving
> pressure on gearbox output. You may get minor vibration from not
installing the
> propshaft in its original position ( tedious remedy is then rotate
propshaft flanges through
> the 8 possible positions), but most vibration will be from
misalignment of the front diff
> and gearbox. ( numerous posts in syncro.org or web on alignment )
This will occcur
> around 60-70 Kph and can be teeth -shattering.
>
> Good luck,
> Bob T
>


Thanks for reply Bob.
I after many discussions and alot of reading understand the VC is a
sealed unit so external oils have no effect on them. Was merely
re-questioning something that struck me as a very strange
reccomendation. I really wanted to make sure that it is OK to run the
GL4 oils in front diff, as there are so many conflicting stories/
recommendations out there, it basically depends on who you ask and
there personal preference as to what gearbox oil is to be used. Which
is up the shit for someone like me who has to rely on experience so
this is where the confusion comes into play.
As for the Propshaft issue;
It is i supposse is a genuine scare for me as most things with this
bloody syncro have been, learning without a "real" understanding, but
as shaft can do some very bad things to gearbox and all, Thought it
best to ask if there was any sure way to correct issue, basically i
think it is a wait and see problem if no good then as u suggest rotate
propshaft and try again and again and again or something like that.
See what happens on the weekend.
And thanks again.
Andrew
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--- In Syncro_T3_Australia@yahoogroups.com, "syncrosity4now"
<syncrosity4now@...> wrote:
>
> --- In Syncro_T3_Australia@yahoogroups.com, "Bob & Toni Turnbull"
> <bobturn@> wrote:
> >
> > --- In Syncro_T3_Australia@yahoogroups.com, "syncrosity4now"
> <syncrosity4now@>
> > wrote:
> >
> >
> > > Recent web search provided the answer of clarity and infromed me
that
> > > the GL4 can be safely run in front diff, the GL4 is used if u are
> > > having VC trouble and want to try the option of oils before a new VC
> >
> > > If i dont know what position the Propshaft was in before
removal, how
> > > likely is it that i can do major damage on
> installation/startup/running?
> > > What is rememdy for this action?
> >
> > GL4/GL5 will have no effect on the action of the VC, as it is sealed.
> > Damage will only occur with major vibration while running or if
> installed too tight, giving
> > pressure on gearbox output. You may get minor vibration from not
> installing the
> > propshaft in its original position ( tedious remedy is then rotate
> propshaft flanges through
> > the 8 possible positions), but most vibration will be from
> misalignment of the front diff
> > and gearbox. ( numerous posts in syncro.org or web on alignment )
> This will occcur
> > around 60-70 Kph and can be teeth -shattering.
> >
> > Good luck,
> > Bob T
> >
>
>
> Thanks for reply Bob.
> I after many discussions and alot of reading understand the VC is a
> sealed unit so external oils have no effect on them. Was merely
> re-questioning something that struck me as a very strange
> reccomendation. I really wanted to make sure that it is OK to run the
> GL4 oils in front diff, as there are so many conflicting stories/
> recommendations out there, it basically depends on who you ask and
> there personal preference as to what gearbox oil is to be used. Which
> is up the shit for someone like me who has to rely on experience so
> this is where the confusion comes into play.
> As for the Propshaft issue;
> It is i supposse is a genuine scare for me as most things with this
> bloody syncro have been, learning without a "real" understanding, but
> as shaft can do some very bad things to gearbox and all, Thought it
> best to ask if there was any sure way to correct issue, basically i
> think it is a wait and see problem if no good then as u suggest rotate
> propshaft and try again and again and again or something like that.
> See what happens on the weekend.
> And thanks again.
> Andrew
>
ANDREW
BUT ARE THERE ONLY POSITIONS ?????????
Cheers Pete
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--- In Syncro_T3_Australia@yahoogroups.com, "nerdnetty"
<amortensen@...> wrote:
>
> --- In Syncro_T3_Australia@yahoogroups.com, "syncrosity4now"
> <syncrosity4now@> wrote:
> >
> > --- In Syncro_T3_Australia@yahoogroups.com, "Bob & Toni Turnbull"
> > <bobturn@> wrote:
> > >
> > > --- In Syncro_T3_Australia@yahoogroups.com, "syncrosity4now"
> > <syncrosity4now@>
> > > wrote:
> > >
> > >
> > > > Recent web search provided the answer of clarity and infromed me
> that
> > > > the GL4 can be safely run in front diff, the GL4 is used if u are
> > > > having VC trouble and want to try the option of oils before a
new VC
> > >
> > > > If i dont know what position the Propshaft was in before
> removal, how
> > > > likely is it that i can do major damage on
> > installation/startup/running?
> > > > What is rememdy for this action?
> > >
> > > GL4/GL5 will have no effect on the action of the VC, as it is
sealed.
> > > Damage will only occur with major vibration while running or if
> > installed too tight, giving
> > > pressure on gearbox output. You may get minor vibration from not
> > installing the
> > > propshaft in its original position ( tedious remedy is then rotate
> > propshaft flanges through
> > > the 8 possible positions), but most vibration will be from
> > misalignment of the front diff
> > > and gearbox. ( numerous posts in syncro.org or web on alignment )
> > This will occcur
> > > around 60-70 Kph and can be teeth -shattering.
> > >
> > > Good luck,
> > > Bob T
> > >
> >
> >
> > Thanks for reply Bob.
> > I after many discussions and alot of reading understand the VC is a
> > sealed unit so external oils have no effect on them. Was merely
> > re-questioning something that struck me as a very strange
> > reccomendation. I really wanted to make sure that it is OK to run the
> > GL4 oils in front diff, as there are so many conflicting stories/
> > recommendations out there, it basically depends on who you ask and
> > there personal preference as to what gearbox oil is to be used. Which
> > is up the shit for someone like me who has to rely on experience so
> > this is where the confusion comes into play.
> > As for the Propshaft issue;
> > It is i supposse is a genuine scare for me as most things with this
> > bloody syncro have been, learning without a "real" understanding, but
> > as shaft can do some very bad things to gearbox and all, Thought it
> > best to ask if there was any sure way to correct issue, basically i
> > think it is a wait and see problem if no good then as u suggest rotate
> > propshaft and try again and again and again or something like that.
> > See what happens on the weekend.
> > And thanks again.
> > Andrew
> >
> ANDREW
> BUT ARE THERE ONLY POSITIONS ?????????
> Cheers Pete




Pete
Are only positions?
or
Are there only positions?
How can rotating shaft or flanges to a different point make any
difference thats a job for a pro new uni joints and so on. it's still
in the same spot just turned around. As i see it i only have to rebolt
the ends up to the nose cones of front and back an if it gives any
problems after that whilst being driven then its a job for a pro to
tackle.
Yes i had the same thought but, hey i'm a learner and i am about to
give up on sourcing useless info, straight answers are what is needed
not riddles?
Listen is there a trick to throwing the front diff back in?
I after my first attempt think the actual diff lock activator/Vacuum
servo needs to come off, before i attempt to put it back in next time
as the CV on passenger side is stopping thew whole thing going back
in? Unless I have to spin the whole diff around and then shove it up
onto front mount; i think that's it.
Where to source a new activator???
Brisbane is closer 3.5hrs away and Sydney is 7hrs away so where can i
find a new activator/ vacuum servo? Let me guess VW, bloody crooks
they are.
I guess the whole job would be easier if i had a hoist, as being on
the cement under syncro is kinda squishy. But then again if the diff
falls out whilst i am putting it back in then it doesn't have far too
fall. Ahh the joy, i am so close but i guess i will have to wait
another week. So close...
the vacuum servo must've been bad least thats the way i look at it
otherwise it would have worked, karma and all that. Snapped the
plastic ON point where air line goes in/on.
Crikey.
>
Andrew
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> Brisbane is closer 3.5hrs away and Sydney is 7hrs away so where can i
> find a new activator/ vacuum servo? Let me guess VW, bloody crooks
> they are.
> I guess the whole job would be easier if i had a hoist, as being on
> the cement under syncro is kinda squishy. But then again if the diff
> falls out whilst i am putting it back in then it doesn't have far too
> fall. Ahh the joy, i am so close but i guess i will have to wait
> another week. So close...
> the vacuum servo must've been bad least thats the way i look at it
> otherwise it would have worked, karma and all that. Snapped the
> plastic ON point where air line goes in/on.
> Crikey.
> >
> Andrew

The vaccuum servos are available from Volkswagen and they are not expensive.