Oil pressure switches

All,
A Friday night special.
Just querying members as to their knowledge re: the correct part numbers and their identifying colours for the two different oil pressure switches for Oz syncros.
 
Maybe someone out there has recent experience with this. It seems to me to be too easy to end up selecting from ETKA, switches with the wrong pressure range. This is a similar problem as we found recently concerning identifying the correct accelerator cable in Etka. All of this again brings into question the ambiguity/usefulness of Etka, especially when a problem arises far from home and referencing Etka for the correct parts. TIA.
Cheers.
Ken
 
  
 
Hi Ken,
Nice question pre grand final night.Somewhere in one of my many folders is an invoice from Burwin Motors for the 2 switches i bought earlier this year.I will try and source them over the weekend.I know that one switch is 0.3 Bar (4.4 PSI) on the left cylinder head and the other one is 0.9 Bar(13.1 PSI) near the oil pump in front of the motor.As for the colours i will have this information when i find the switches too over the weekend in one of my "Box Of Tricks".You are correct in that they are different in colour so it will be interesting to see what part numbers i come up with.Will keep you updated with the info.
Cheers,
Everard 

--- On Fri, 24/9/10, Ken Garratt <unclekenz@hotmail.com> wrote:

From: Ken Garratt <unclekenz@hotmail.com>
Subject: [Syncro_T3_Australia] Oil pressure switches
To: "Syncro _T3_Australia forum" <syncro_t3_australia@yahoogroups.com>
Received: Friday, 24 September, 2010, 10:23 AM

 
All,
A Friday night special.
Just querying members as to their knowledge re: the correct part numbers and their identifying colours for the two different oil pressure switches for Oz syncros.
 
Maybe someone out there has recent experience with this. It seems to me to be too easy to end up selecting from ETKA, switches with the wrong pressure range. This is a similar problem as we found recently concerning identifying the correct accelerator cable in Etka. All of this again brings into question the ambiguity/usefulness of Etka, especially when a problem arises far from home and referencing Etka for the correct parts. TIA.
Cheers.
Ken
 
  
 

 

Everard,
May the best team win!
 
Thanks for the response. It'd be very useful to compare notes.
I believe you are on the money re pressure ranges for both and confirming part nos would be particularly helpful to one and all. TIA.
 
Cheers.
Ken
 

To: Syncro_T3_Australia@yahoogroups.com
From: everardhoffman@yahoo.com
Date: Fri, 24 Sep 2010 06:24:22 -0700
Subject: Re: [Syncro_T3_Australia] Oil pressure switches

 
Hi Ken,
Nice question pre grand final night.Somewhere in one of my many folders is an invoice from Burwin Motors for the 2 switches i bought earlier this year.I will try and source them over the weekend.I know that one switch is 0.3 Bar (4.4 PSI) on the left cylinder head and the other one is 0.9 Bar(13.1 PSI) near the oil pump in front of the motor.As for the colours i will have this information when i find the switches too over the weekend in one of my "Box Of Tricks".You are correct in that they are different in colour so it will be interesting to see what part numbers i come up with.Will keep you updated with the info.
Cheers,
Everard 

--- On Fri, 24/9/10, Ken Garratt <unclekenz@hotmail.com> wrote:

From: Ken Garratt <unclekenz@hotmail.com>
Subject: [Syncro_T3_Australia] Oil pressure switches
To: "Syncro _T3_Australia forum" <syncro_t3_australia@yahoogroups.com>
Received: Friday, 24 September, 2010, 10:23 AM

 
All,
A Friday night special.
Just querying members as to their knowledge re: the correct part numbers and their identifying colours for the two different oil pressure switches for Oz syncros.
 
Maybe someone out there has recent experience with this. It seems to me to be too easy to end up selecting from ETKA, switches with the wrong pressure range. This is a similar problem as we found recently concerning identifying the correct accelerator cable in Etka. All of this again brings into question the ambiguity/usefulness of Etka, especially when a problem arises far from home and referencing Etka for the correct parts. TIA.
Cheers.
Ken
 
  
 

 
0.3 Bar (4.4 PSI) on the left cylinder head Blue 028 919 081D

0.9 Bar(13.1 PSI) near the oil pump in front of the motor Grey 068 919 081A
(1.8 Bar near the oil pump in front of the motor White 056 919 081E)

.



This is a similar problem as����we found recently
> concerning identifying����the correct accelerator cable����in Etka. All of
> this again����brings into question the ambiguity/usefulness of Etka,
> especially when a problem arises far from home and referencing Etka for
> the correct parts. TIA.

The accelerator cable problem was more of an omission problem than an error. The 2WD ETKA was correct. This is the first problem that I have encountered with VAG catalogues, and I have been using them for 30 years.
Hi Ken,Yes for my Late Youngest brother's sake i wish the Pies Win as he was an ardent Pies Fan,however did not live to see them do it having passed away in 2006 after his 50th Birthday.
I got my file out with the invoices for the switches and the Accelerator cable as well.The numbers for the switches are the same as Phil's however not the BLUE one he refers to.Part No.056919081E was $19.08 and P/No. 068919081A was $21.46.This was back in December,2007.
The P/No for the Acc Cable was 252721555S and cost $68.15 in August,2008.I do not want to open the issue with the Accelerator Cable again,suffice to say that your hunch relating to the discrepancy with the Part number maybe correct.
have a great weekend.
Cheers,
Everard
PS i will let you know the colour of the switches when i lay my hands on them sometime over the weekend.

--- On Fri, 24/9/10, Ken Garratt <unclekenz@hotmail.com> wrote:

From: Ken Garratt <unclekenz@hotmail.com>
Subject: RE: [Syncro_T3_Australia] Oil pressure switches
To: "Syncro _T3_Australia forum" <syncro_t3_australia@yahoogroups.com>
Received: Friday, 24 September, 2010, 2:21 PM

 

Everard,
May the best team win!
 
Thanks for the response. It'd be very useful to compare notes.
I believe you are on the money re pressure ranges for both and confirming part nos would be particularly helpful to one and all. TIA.
 
Cheers.
Ken
 

To: Syncro_T3_Australia@yahoogroups.com
From: everardhoffman@yahoo.com
Date: Fri, 24 Sep 2010 06:24:22 -0700
Subject: Re: [Syncro_T3_Australia] Oil pressure switches

 
Hi Ken,
Nice question pre grand final night.Somewhere in one of my many folders is an invoice from Burwin Motors for the 2 switches i bought earlier this year.I will try and source them over the weekend.I know that one switch is 0.3 Bar (4.4 PSI) on the left cylinder head and the other one is 0.9 Bar(13.1 PSI) near the oil pump in front of the motor.As for the colours i will have this information when i find the switches too over the weekend in one of my "Box Of Tricks".You are correct in that they are different in colour so it will be interesting to see what part numbers i come up with.Will keep you updated with the info.
Cheers,
Everard 

--- On Fri, 24/9/10, Ken Garratt <unclekenz@hotmail.com> wrote:

From: Ken Garratt <unclekenz@hotmail.com>
Subject: [Syncro_T3_Australia] Oil pressure switches
To: "Syncro _T3_Australia forum" <syncro_t3_australia@yahoogroups.com>
Received: Friday, 24 September, 2010, 10:23 AM

 
All,
A Friday night special.
Just querying members as to their knowledge re: the correct part numbers and their identifying colours for the two different oil pressure switches for Oz syncros.
 
Maybe someone out there has recent experience with this. It seems to me to be too easy to end up selecting from ETKA, switches with the wrong pressure range. This is a similar problem as we found recently concerning identifying the correct accelerator cable in Etka. All of this again brings into question the ambiguity/usefulness of Etka, especially when a problem arises far from home and referencing Etka for the correct parts. TIA.
Cheers.
Ken
 
  
 

 

 
I have never liked 'parts systems' very much ..because I might know that hundreds of vanagons use a certain part..
yet a parts system will say there's more than one.
which to me is silly because ...
usually a syncro gasoline vanagon only uses one type of throttle cable. I just want the one that is 'that one.'
 and don't bother me with an oddball application that doesn't apply to any syncro van I've ever seen.
 
and the parts people don't know the nuances ...
sometimes it helps to know what to tell them it's for ..
like you have to 'trick them' .
you know..
I wanted an oil pressure switch for a diesel vanagon one time ..
I was fully prepared to tell the parts guy '65VW Bug' since I know it's the same switch and they'll sure have that car in their book but maybe not diesel vanagon.
 
I even see it some was the parts person is sometimes 'the block'...they are between me and the parts they need, and their lack of very good familiarity with syncro vans is part of the problem.
 
here's how I get syncro oil pressure switches.
first, I know that the one on the lower left side of the engine is a 'normal, conventional, low psi supplies ground' oil pressure switch.
I get the pressure, in bar, from either the switch itself, or from the wiring diagram in Bentley.
I am pretty sure the wiring diagram in Bentley for syncro says '.3 bar' for one switch, and whatever it is for the other switch ..
and it says what the pressure is on the switch itself.
 
I also know that the switch by the crankshaft is reverse logic compared to 'normal' oil pressure switches...
a 'normal' one supplies ground at zero pressure and up to its threshold pressure rating. ..
'all' normal oil pressure switches in the car world work that way.
 
the one by the crankshaft pulley is reverse logic ..
when there is sufficient pressure ....it supplies ground, keeping the warning light off.
it only takes a second with a test light or ohm meter to tell the two types of switches apart.
 
you know the one by the crankshaft is going to have higher rating that the other one, since it's for high rpm ....forget what it is in bar ..
but in psi I know that' likely to be ....something like 15 to 18 psi ..
they would want the engine to be able to be as low as that reading at about 2,200 rpm without turning on the warning light ..
 
so sure ...ordering with a parts person, you need to know what to ask for ..
sometimes the part number is right on the part .
use that ..and sometimes it's superceded to a new part # ..but that's also a good source ..the part itself sometimes.
oh ..and when I find a GOOD parts person ..
I stick with them for life baby ..
a GOOD parts person is rare. A good parts person knows exactly what you are talking about ...all the variation and particulars etc.
I think I've found about 4 or 5 really, really good parts people in about 30 years. ..
something like that.
a good parts person ..will have the right part on the way in minutes .
 
now the other problem is the decline of the quality of parts in general. It is getting harder and harder to find well made, often german made, quality parts for these machines we love so much.  I'm telling my suppliers just don't send me that junk ..
and I am seeking out parts sources that sell quality stuff ..and even german made stuff doesn't seem as good as it was say 20 years ago.
I went to install  german made water pump the other day ..GEBA  brand. 
it was warped ! would not sit flat on the part it bolts to. 
Then the next new one I got was a cheap version, and it's not going on either.
funny world these days !
 
Scott
 
 
 
----- Original Message -----
Sent: Friday, September 24, 2010 3:23 AM
Subject: [Syncro_T3_Australia] Oil pressure switches

 

All,
A Friday night special.
Just querying members as to their knowledge re: the correct part numbers and their identifying colours for the two different oil pressure switches for Oz syncros.
 
Maybe someone out there has recent experience with this. It seems to me to be too easy to end up selecting from ETKA, switches with the wrong pressure range. This is a similar problem as we found recently concerning identifying the correct accelerator cable in Etka. All of this again brings into question the ambiguity/usefulness of Etka, especially when a problem arises far from home and referencing Etka for the correct parts. TIA.
Cheers.
Ken
 
  
 

> Scott Daniel - Turbovans <ScottDaniel@turbovans.com> wrote:
>
> I have never liked 'parts systems' very much ..because I might know that
> hundreds of vanagons use a certain part..
> yet a parts system will say there's more than one.
> which to me is silly because ...
> usually a syncro gasoline vanagon only uses one type of throttle cable.
> I just want the one that is 'that one.'

No, there are two types. One for carburettors and one for fuel injection.
Fellas,
Lets get back on track ok.
My original post was concerning grievances perceived re: Etka parts listings for typical "OZ" T3 syncros. That's what I said. Last time I looked they are ALL MV fuel injected, so there should be no confusion re accelerator cable, oil pressure switches etc. But there is confusion in Etka. Hence the post.
 
Everard, I am waiting with baited breath as to your further findings. TIA.
Cheers.
Ken
 

To: Syncro_T3_Australia@yahoogroups.com
From: plander@optusnet.com.au
Date: Sat, 25 Sep 2010 12:07:14 +1000
Subject: Re: Re: [Syncro_T3_Australia] Oil pressure switches

 


> Scott Daniel - Turbovans <ScottDaniel@turbovans.com> wrote:
>
> I have never liked 'parts systems' very much ..because I might know that
> hundreds of vanagons use a certain part..
> yet a parts system will say there's more than one.
> which to me is silly because ...
> usually a syncro gasoline vanagon only uses one type of throttle cable.
> I just want the one that is 'that one.'

No, there are two types. One for carburettors and one for fuel injection.

ETKA is not just for OZ.



> Ken Garratt <unclekenz@hotmail.com> wrote:
>
>
> Fellas,
>
> Lets get back on track ok.
>
> My original post was concerning grievances perceived re: Etka parts
> listings for typical "OZ" T3 syncros. That's what I said. Last time I
> looked they are ALL MV fuel injected, so there should be no confusion re
> accelerator cable, oil pressure switches etc. But there is confusion in
> Etka. Hence the post.
>
>
>
> Everard, I am waiting with baited breath as to your further findings.
> TIA.
>
> Cheers.
>
> Ken
>
>
>
> To: Syncro_T3_Australia@yahoogroups.com
> From: plander@optusnet.com.au
> Date: Sat, 25 Sep 2010 12:07:14 +1000
> Subject: Re: Re: [Syncro_T3_Australia] Oil pressure switches
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> > Scott Daniel - Turbovans <ScottDaniel@turbovans.com> wrote:
> >
> > I have never liked 'parts systems' very much ..because I might know
> that
> > hundreds of vanagons use a certain part..
> > yet a parts system will say there's more than one.
> > which to me is silly because ...
> > usually a syncro gasoline vanagon only uses one type of throttle
> cable.
> > I just want the one that is 'that one.'
>
> No, there are two types. One for carburettors and one for fuel
> injection.
>
>
>
>

Hi Mark  K.

 

Skot and Hart like to book the screen in your VW Motel for  next week Saturday to watch the  Grande Finale  !! See you at Old Bar. Don’t be late !!

 

Hartmut

 

From: Syncro_T3_Australia@yahoogroups.com [mailto:Syncro_T3_Australia@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Ken Garratt
Sent: Saturday, 25 September 2010 12:22 AM
To: Syncro _T3_Australia forum
Subject: RE: [Syncro_T3_Australia] Oil pressure switches

 

 


Everard,
May the best team win!
 
Thanks for the response. It'd be very useful to compare notes.
I believe you are on the money re pressure ranges for both and confirming part nos would be particularly helpful to one and all. TIA.
 
Cheers.
Ken
 


To: Syncro_T3_Australia@yahoogroups.com
From: everardhoffman@yahoo.com
Date: Fri, 24 Sep 2010 06:24:22 -0700
Subject: Re: [Syncro_T3_Australia] Oil pressure switches

 

Hi Ken,

Nice question pre grand final night.Somewhere in one of my many folders is an invoice from Burwin Motors for the 2 switches i bought earlier this year.I will try and source them over the weekend.I know that one switch is 0.3 Bar (4.4 PSI) on the left cylinder head and the other one is 0.9 Bar(13.1 PSI) near the oil pump in front of the motor.As for the colours i will have this information when i find the switches too over the weekend in one of my "Box Of Tricks".You are correct in that they are different in colour so it will be interesting to see what part numbers i come up with.Will keep you updated with the info.

Cheers,

Everard 

--- On Fri, 24/9/10, Ken Garratt <unclekenz@hotmail.com> wrote:


From: Ken Garratt <unclekenz@hotmail.com>
Subject: [Syncro_T3_Australia] Oil pressure switches
To: "Syncro _T3_Australia forum" <syncro_t3_australia@yahoogroups.com>
Received: Friday, 24 September, 2010, 10:23 AM

 

All,
A Friday night special.
Just querying members as to their knowledge re: the correct part numbers and their identifying colours for the two different oil pressure switches for Oz syncros.
 
Maybe someone out there has recent experience with this. It seems to me to be too easy to end up selecting from ETKA, switches with the wrong pressure range. This is a similar problem as we found recently concerning identifying the correct accelerator cable in Etka. All of this again brings into question the ambiguity/usefulness of Etka, especially when a problem arises far from home and referencing Etka for the correct parts. TIA.
Cheers.
Ken
 
  
 


 

Hart,
 
I would agree with that.
 
Should be a great close game if any of the other finals are anything to go by.
 
I cant believe AFL doesn't go to extra time to get a result - crazy.
 
In touch footy we do drop offs and one finals game we ended up playing with 4 people per side. That is a killer.
 
We don't have a telly as yet - maybe if those lotto numbers come in - we only just got the fridge in and working after 6 years.
 
Marks van will be the place to be unless the weather turns real nasty and we will go to the RSL club down the road.
 
Cheers,
 
Skot
 
 
----- Original Message -----
Sent: Saturday, September 25, 2010 6:11 PM
Subject: RE: [Syncro_T3_Australia] Oil pressure switches

 

Hi Mark  K.

Skot and Hart like to book the screen in your VW Motel for  next week Saturday to watch the  Grande Finale  !! See you at Old Bar. Don’t be late !!

Hartmut

From: Syncro_T3_Australia@yahoogroups.com [mailto:Syncro_T3_Australia@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Ken Garratt
Sent: Saturday, 25 September 2010 12:22 AM
To: Syncro _T3_Australia forum
Subject: RE: [Syncro_T3_Australia] Oil pressure switches

 


Everard,
May the best team win!
 
Thanks for the response. It'd be very useful to compare notes.
I believe you are on the money re pressure ranges for both and confirming part nos would be particularly helpful to one and all. TIA.
 
Cheers.
Ken
 


To: Syncro_T3_Australia@yahoogroups.com
From: everardhoffman@yahoo.com
Date: Fri, 24 Sep 2010 06:24:22 -0700
Subject: Re: [Syncro_T3_Australia] Oil pressure switches

 

Hi Ken,

Nice question pre grand final night.Somewhere in one of my many folders is an invoice from Burwin Motors for the 2 switches i bought earlier this year.I will try and source them over the weekend.I know that one switch is 0.3 Bar (4.4 PSI) on the left cylinder head and the other one is 0.9 Bar(13.1 PSI) near the oil pump in front of the motor.As for the colours i will have this information when i find the switches too over the weekend in one of my "Box Of Tricks".You are correct in that they are different in colour so it will be interesting to see what part numbers i come up with.Will keep you updated with the info.

Cheers,

Everard 

--- On Fri, 24/9/10, Ken Garratt <unclekenz@hotmail.com> wrote:


From: Ken Garratt <unclekenz@hotmail.com>
Subject: [Syncro_T3_Australia] Oil pressure switches
To: "Syncro _T3_Australia forum" <syncro_t3_australia@yahoogroups.com>
Received: Friday, 24 September, 2010, 10:23 AM

 

All,
A Friday night special.
Just querying members as to their knowledge re: the correct part numbers and their identifying colours for the two different oil pressure switches for Oz syncros.
 
Maybe someone out there has recent experience with this. It seems to me to be too easy to end up selecting from ETKA, switches with the wrong pressure range. This is a similar problem as we found recently concerning identifying the correct accelerator cable in Etka. All of this again brings into question the ambiguity/usefulness of Etka, especially when a problem arises far from home and referencing Etka for the correct parts. TIA.
Cheers.
Ken
 
  
 


 

Hi Ken,
Located the switches which were in my Glovebox in their original plastic bags.The Grey one is 068919081A and has 0.75-1.05 Bar stamped on it,whilst the White one is P/No 056919081E and has 1.6-2-0 Bar stamped on it.
Hope this info helps.
Cheers,
Everard

--- On Fri, 24/9/10, Ken Garratt <unclekenz@hotmail.com> wrote:

From: Ken Garratt <unclekenz@hotmail.com>
Subject: RE: [Syncro_T3_Australia] Oil pressure switches
To: "Syncro _T3_Australia forum" <syncro_t3_australia@yahoogroups.com>
Received: Friday, 24 September, 2010, 2:21 PM

 

Everard,
May the best team win!
 
Thanks for the response. It'd be very useful to compare notes.
I believe you are on the money re pressure ranges for both and confirming part nos would be particularly helpful to one and all. TIA.
 
Cheers.
Ken
 

To: Syncro_T3_Australia@yahoogroups.com
From: everardhoffman@yahoo.com
Date: Fri, 24 Sep 2010 06:24:22 -0700
Subject: Re: [Syncro_T3_Australia] Oil pressure switches

 
Hi Ken,
Nice question pre grand final night.Somewhere in one of my many folders is an invoice from Burwin Motors for the 2 switches i bought earlier this year.I will try and source them over the weekend.I know that one switch is 0.3 Bar (4.4 PSI) on the left cylinder head and the other one is 0.9 Bar(13.1 PSI) near the oil pump in front of the motor.As for the colours i will have this information when i find the switches too over the weekend in one of my "Box Of Tricks".You are correct in that they are different in colour so it will be interesting to see what part numbers i come up with.Will keep you updated with the info.
Cheers,
Everard 

--- On Fri, 24/9/10, Ken Garratt <unclekenz@hotmail.com> wrote:

From: Ken Garratt <unclekenz@hotmail.com>
Subject: [Syncro_T3_Australia] Oil pressure switches
To: "Syncro _T3_Australia forum" <syncro_t3_australia@yahoogroups.com>
Received: Friday, 24 September, 2010, 10:23 AM

 
All,
A Friday night special.
Just querying members as to their knowledge re: the correct part numbers and their identifying colours for the two different oil pressure switches for Oz syncros.
 
Maybe someone out there has recent experience with this. It seems to me to be too easy to end up selecting from ETKA, switches with the wrong pressure range. This is a similar problem as we found recently concerning identifying the correct accelerator cable in Etka. All of this again brings into question the ambiguity/usefulness of Etka, especially when a problem arises far from home and referencing Etka for the correct parts. TIA.
Cheers.
Ken
 
  
 

 

 
Everard,
Ok thanks for the note comparing .... very useful. Of course it can mean it asks more questions than gives answers!

Couple of things .......
In case you haven't yet read the attached article, please read it ok. I've highlighted in red the parts referencing the 2 different sensors we're talking about here. So the article stipulates a LOWER pressure BROWN 0.3 bar sensor for under the left-hand-side cylinder head and an UPPER pressure GREY 0.9 bar sensor for the other near the oil pump/fan belt.   

What I still don't understand then is why the reference to an UPPER pressure WHITE 1.8 bar sensor switch for the one near the oil pump/fan belt?  This is one of the ones recently supplied to you. Seems to me it's not the correct/stock standard UPPER pressure sensor. Do you know if the WHITE one is presently installed? If not, then it seems to me the correct UPPER sensor should regardless be a 0.9 bar sensor, which is the usual GREY one. Maybe you better touch base with your supplier and ask why the WHITE 1.8 bar instead of the normal GREY 0.9 bar?

So to recap at my end, it seems to me the correct sensors are as follows, feel free to comment further on these ok ...

1) SENSOR LOCATED UNDER LEFT-HAND-SIDE CYLINDER HEAD
LOWER pressure BROWN 0.3 bar, part #056 919 081C ......... or the alternative .....
LOWER pressure BLUE     0.3 bar, part #028 919 081D

2) SENSOR LOCATED NEAR OIL PUMP/DRIVE PULLEY
UPPER pressure GREY 0.9 bar, part #068 919 081A

So begs the question .... what's with the UPPER pressure WHITE 1.8 bar, part #056 919 081E?? No idea. Anyone?

Cheers.
Ken


To: Syncro_T3_Australia@yahoogroups.com
From: everardhoffman@yahoo.com
Date: Mon, 27 Sep 2010 18:35:37 -0700
Subject: RE: [Syncro_T3_Australia] Oil pressure switches

 
Hi Ken,
Located the switches which were in my Glovebox in their original plastic bags.The Grey one is 068919081A and has 0.75-1.05 Bar stamped on it,whilst the White one is P/No 056919081E and has 1.6-2-0 Bar stamped on it.
Hope this info helps.
Cheers,
Everard

--- On Fri, 24/9/10, Ken Garratt <unclekenz@hotmail.com> wrote:

From: Ken Garratt <unclekenz@hotmail.com>
Subject: RE: [Syncro_T3_Australia] Oil pressure switches
To: "Syncro _T3_Australia forum" <syncro_t3_australia@yahoogroups.com>
Received: Friday, 24 September, 2010, 2:21 PM

 

Everard,
May the best team win!
 
Thanks for the response. It'd be very useful to compare notes.
I believe you are on the money re pressure ranges for both and confirming part nos would be particularly helpful to one and all. TIA.
 
Cheers.
Ken
 

To: Syncro_T3_Australia@yahoogroups.com
From: everardhoffman@yahoo.com
Date: Fri, 24 Sep 2010 06:24:22 -0700
Subject: Re: [Syncro_T3_Australia] Oil pressure switches

 
Hi Ken,
Nice question pre grand final night.Somewhere in one of my many folders is an invoice from Burwin Motors for the 2 switches i bought earlier this year.I will try and source them over the weekend.I know that one switch is 0.3 Bar (4.4 PSI) on the left cylinder head and the other one is 0.9 Bar(13.1 PSI) near the oil pump in front of the motor.As for the colours i will have this information when i find the switches too over the weekend in one of my "Box Of Tricks".You are correct in that they are different in colour so it will be interesting to see what part numbers i come up with.Will keep you updated with the info.
Cheers,
Everard 

--- On Fri, 24/9/10, Ken Garratt <unclekenz@hotmail.com> wrote:

From: Ken Garratt <unclekenz@hotmail.com>
Subject: [Syncro_T3_Australia] Oil pressure switches
To: "Syncro _T3_Australia forum" <syncro_t3_australia@yahoogroups.com>
Received: Friday, 24 September, 2010, 10:23 AM

 
All,
A Friday night special.
Just querying members as to their knowledge re: the correct part numbers and their identifying colours for the two different oil pressure switches for Oz syncros.
 
Maybe someone out there has recent experience with this. It seems to me to be too easy to end up selecting from ETKA, switches with the wrong pressure range. This is a similar problem as we found recently concerning identifying the correct accelerator cable in Etka. All of this again brings into question the ambiguity/usefulness of Etka, especially when a problem arises far from home and referencing Etka for the correct parts. TIA.
Cheers.
Ken
 
  
 

 

 
Appears to me the maybe the parts person sent the wrong part..
and some parts systems are incorrect now and then.
 
and I notice, on wiring diagram page 97.126 of Bentley, current track 50 and 51.
it shows both oil pressure switches.
for the low pressure switch on the right the text says 'engine oil press sw. 0.3 bar'
and right below the switch it says 0.3 bar.
 
on the switch on the left, the high pressure one,
the text says 'oil press sw 1.8 bar' and below the switch it says 0.9 bar.
 
so even the Bentley manual isn't clear which it is, 0.9 or 1.8 bar.
 
1.8 bar is 26.1  psi.
0.9 bar is 13 psi .
 
the whole idea of the DOPS ( dynamic oil pressure circuit ) is to divide oil pressure warning into low and high rpm sides.
I don't know what the rpm threshold is ....guessing 2,500 ..
what they want is a way to warn the driver if high rpm oil pressure gets too low.
 
High rpm oil pressure, say at   3,000 rpm could be easily below 26 psi and things are still all right.
on the other hand, 13psi seems on the low side.
you coudl be going 90 Kph at say 3,500 rpm with only 13.5 psi and not get a warning buzzer with the lower pressure switch.
 
I would say the 1.8 bar one could come on too easily at higher rpm ..
everything could be pretty decent ..good oil, good bearing clearance etc..
yet on a hot day you could easily be below 26 psi at say 3,500 rpm.
 
I'd fit the .9 bar switch unless I saw a few syncro T3's use the 1.8 bar switch.
or try the higher one, and if your 10W40 under hot conditions turns on the oil buzzer a bit easily ..then fit the lower .9 bar one.
 
and parts ..
I tell people these days I am willing to pay extra to get the right part.
Just got a T3 part from a vendor ...
they sent a similar jetta part , not even a T3 vanagon part ...it's too common to get the wrong part.
and ..
the parts books, and the parts people ...really good ones are quite rare.
I find a really good parts person, I stick with them forever.
 
and it's maddening of course, when I know that 99 % of all vans use X part ....but the parts books mention 4 possibilities ...when in the real world it's usually 'the one they all use." .but the parts people don't know that.
 
Scott
----- Original Message -----
Sent: Tuesday, September 28, 2010 6:09 AM
Subject: RE: [Syncro_T3_Australia] Oil pressure switches

 

Everard,
Ok thanks for the note comparing .... very useful. Of course it can mean it asks more questions than gives answers!

Couple of things .......
In case you haven't yet read the attached article, please read it ok. I've highlighted in red the parts referencing the 2 different sensors we're talking about here. So the article stipulates a LOWER pressure BROWN 0.3 bar sensor for under the left-hand-side cylinder head and an UPPER pressure GREY 0.9 bar sensor for the other near the oil pump/fan belt.   

What I still don't understand then is why the reference to an UPPER pressure WHITE 1.8 bar sensor switch for the one near the oil pump/fan belt?  This is one of the ones recently supplied to you. Seems to me it's not the correct/stock standard UPPER pressure sensor. Do you know if the WHITE one is presently installed? If not, then it seems to me the correct UPPER sensor should regardless be a 0.9 bar sensor, which is the usual GREY one. Maybe you better touch base with your supplier and ask why the WHITE 1.8 bar instead of the normal GREY 0.9 bar?

So to recap at my end, it seems to me the correct sensors are as follows, feel free to comment further on these ok ...

1) SENSOR LOCATED UNDER LEFT-HAND-SIDE CYLINDER HEAD
LOWER pressure BROWN 0.3 bar, part #056 919 081C ......... or the alternative .....
LOWER pressure BLUE     0.3 bar, part #028 919 081D

2) SENSOR LOCATED NEAR OIL PUMP/DRIVE PULLEY
UPPER pressure GREY 0.9 bar, part #068 919 081A

So begs the question .... what's with the UPPER pressure WHITE 1.8 bar, part #056 919 081E?? No idea. Anyone?

Cheers.
Ken


To: Syncro_T3_Australia@yahoogroups.com
From: everardhoffman@yahoo.com
Date: Mon, 27 Sep 2010 18:35:37 -0700
Subject: RE: [Syncro_T3_Australia] Oil pressure switches

 
Hi Ken,
Located the switches which were in my Glovebox in their original plastic bags.The Grey one is 068919081A and has 0.75-1.05 Bar stamped on it,whilst the White one is P/No 056919081E and has 1.6-2-0 Bar stamped on it.
Hope this info helps.
Cheers,
Everard

--- On Fri, 24/9/10, Ken Garratt <unclekenz@hotmail.com> wrote:

From: Ken Garratt <unclekenz@hotmail.com>
Subject: RE: [Syncro_T3_Australia] Oil pressure switches
To: "Syncro _T3_Australia forum" <syncro_t3_australia@yahoogroups.com>
Received: Friday, 24 September, 2010, 2:21 PM

 

Everard,
May the best team win!
 
Thanks for the response. It'd be very useful to compare notes.
I believe you are on the money re pressure ranges for both and confirming part nos would be particularly helpful to one and all. TIA.
 
Cheers.
Ken
 

To: Syncro_T3_Australia@yahoogroups.com
From: everardhoffman@yahoo.com
Date: Fri, 24 Sep 2010 06:24:22 -0700
Subject: Re: [Syncro_T3_Australia] Oil pressure switches

 
Hi Ken,
Nice question pre grand final night.Somewhere in one of my many folders is an invoice from Burwin Motors for the 2 switches i bought earlier this year.I will try and source them over the weekend.I know that one switch is 0.3 Bar (4.4 PSI) on the left cylinder head and the other one is 0.9 Bar(13.1 PSI) near the oil pump in front of the motor.As for the colours i will have this information when i find the switches too over the weekend in one of my "Box Of Tricks".You are correct in that they are different in colour so it will be interesting to see what part numbers i come up with.Will keep you updated with the info.
Cheers,
Everard 

--- On Fri, 24/9/10, Ken Garratt <unclekenz@hotmail.com> wrote:

From: Ken Garratt <unclekenz@hotmail.com>
Subject: [Syncro_T3_Australia] Oil pressure switches
To: "Syncro _T3_Australia forum" <syncro_t3_australia@yahoogroups.com>
Received: Friday, 24 September, 2010, 10:23 AM

 
All,
A Friday night special.
Just querying members as to their knowledge re: the correct part numbers and their identifying colours for the two different oil pressure switches for Oz syncros.
 
Maybe someone out there has recent experience with this. It seems to me to be too easy to end up selecting from ETKA, switches with the wrong pressure range. This is a similar problem as we found recently concerning identifying the correct accelerator cable in Etka. All of this again brings into question the ambiguity/usefulness of Etka, especially when a problem arises far from home and referencing Etka for the correct parts. TIA.
Cheers.
Ken