Oiler anyone?

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Very interesting... would love to convert to diesel one day. In a few
years time when production increases, as this is a boxer engine, it
may prove easier and more economical to convert to one of these rather
than a vw tdi...

--- In Syncro_T3_Australia@yahoogroups.com, "Les Harris"
<leslieharris@...> wrote:
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> This has just surfaced on the US Subaruvanagon site:
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http://mag.subiesport.com/index.php?option=com_content&task=view&id=141&Itemid=57#jc_writeComment
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> Les
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Sorry to say folks,

but this engine has more torque than any T3 gearbox - not even
refurbished with SA oil-plates etc. - will live with for a reasonable
amount of time! Unless you convert to something like Renault Quadra or
whatever other system, this engine will most likely NOT be a serious
option... maybe in a race syncro with 2 spare gearboxes in the shop at
any time, but not for the common commuter or traveler :)

.martin, 1.9 SDi

On 23.02.2008, at 08:33, heysamuelarnold wrote:

> Very interesting... would love to convert to diesel one day. In a few
> years time when production increases, as this is a boxer engine, it
> may prove easier and more economical to convert to one of these rather
> than a vw tdi...
>
> --- In Syncro_T3_Australia@yahoogroups.com, "Les Harris"
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>> This has just surfaced on the US Subaruvanagon site:
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> http://mag.subiesport.com/index.php?option=com_content&task=view&id=141&Itemid=57#jc_writeComment
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>> Les
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hhhmmmmmm ... yes it would be interesting and perhaps cautionary, to
learn whether or not there has been a pattern of irregular gearbox
failure sometime after the installation of a more powerful engine in
syncros.

Ken


--- In Syncro_T3_Australia@yahoogroups.com, Martin Henning <martin@...>
wrote:
>
> Sorry to say folks,
>
> but this engine has more torque than any T3 gearbox - not even
> refurbished with SA oil-plates etc. - will live with for a reasonable
> amount of time! Unless you convert to something like Renault Quadra or
> whatever other system, this engine will most likely NOT be a serious
> option... maybe in a race syncro with 2 spare gearboxes in the shop at
> any time, but not for the common commuter or traveler :)
>
> .martin, 1.9 SDi
>
> On 23.02.2008, at 08:33, heysamuelarnold wrote:
>
> > Very interesting... would love to convert to diesel one day. In a
few
> > years time when production increases, as this is a boxer engine, it
> > may prove easier and more economical to convert to one of these
rather
> > than a vw tdi...
> >
> > --- In Syncro_T3_Australia@yahoogroups.com, "Les Harris"
> > leslieharris@ wrote:
> >>
> >> This has just surfaced on the US Subaruvanagon site:
> >>
> >>
> >
http://mag.subiesport.com/index.php?option=com_content&task=view&id=141&\
Itemid=57#jc_writeComment
> >>
> >> Les
> >>
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > Yahoo! Groups Links
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> Martin Henning, DM5OY
> martin@...
> http://log.tigerbus.de
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Ken it would be great to have concrete figures on this. On paper, it seems that the diesel
engine mentioned may well have too much torque for a Syncro tranny, but then many said
that they wouldn't handle the Subaru 6 cylinder 3.3 litre SVX, nor even the 4 cylinder 2.5.

We all know that there are many Syncros around now running those engines, and I have
not heard of extraordinary numbers of transmission failures from the related forum
listees.

There was info from the US on the bloke who first(?) put a WRX engine in to his 2WD
manual transmissioned bus. He stripped 3rd gear pretty quickly but did say the
transmission had seen plenty of use already so wasn't surprised. Was anybody? LOL.

The ONLY fact I know for certain, is that my bus has had 2 years and an estimated 15000
miles on the SOHC EJ25 and (touch wood) the transmission is fine thus far. It is worth
noting that the transmission received all new bearings (but not the SA oiling plates) at
130000 miles, 30k before the engine transplant. Also. I don't burn rubber, but I do give
the bus some wellie across soft sand. Regularly.

On another note, I recently discussed the diesel Subaru with the fellow who supplied me
with my with my bellhousing ( www.rjes.com ) who says that the 2006 and later engines
have computers that are much harder to trick when not part of the original vehicle. He
says this issue will only become more difficult in the future. Having said that, he will be
waiting at the roadside for the first Subie diese to be available through a vehicle write off!

Watch this space me thinks.........

Andy.
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Andy,

Just as a matter of interest, my syncro survived approxuimately 8
years and I would estimate 120000ks before my 2.7 6cyl suby motor
managed to ripp 2 teeth off second gear which then got into the
crownwheel & pinion. $5K later I was on the road again with a new
clutch, crownwheel & pinion and 2nd gear.

My ER27 aparently has less power than your EJ25 or very similar and
hence gentle acceleration im yours is always a good idea.

My motor is a pain in the preverbial as getting new parts now must
be via the USA (as it has the largest most competitive market for
ER27's). Subaru Aust now no longer will support engines that were
never available in Aust.

I was therefore wondering how much was your 2.5 to buy and install
in your kombi syncro and what engine management system do you use?

I saw a syncro the other day with a 2.L WRX motor with the turbo
removed and a supercharger installed. It went like a rocket. That
was @ Christmas last year and I wonder if his gearbox is still in
the car. I also saw a 3.3L SVX motor with a proche gearbox in a
syncro @ Valla a few years back and he had totally abandoned the VW
running gear all together - not even a syncro anymore.

Those SVX owners need to be very ginger on the right foot.

Cheers,

Scott






--- In Syncro_T3_Australia@yahoogroups.com, "raredownunder"
<rafear@...> wrote:
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> Ken it would be great to have concrete figures on this. On paper,
it seems that the diesel
> engine mentioned may well have too much torque for a Syncro
tranny, but then many said
> that they wouldn't handle the Subaru 6 cylinder 3.3 litre SVX, nor
even the 4 cylinder 2.5.
>
> We all know that there are many Syncros around now running those
engines, and I have
> not heard of extraordinary numbers of transmission failures from
the related forum
> listees.
>
> There was info from the US on the bloke who first(?) put a WRX
engine in to his 2WD
> manual transmissioned bus. He stripped 3rd gear pretty quickly but
did say the
> transmission had seen plenty of use already so wasn't surprised.
Was anybody? LOL.
>
> The ONLY fact I know for certain, is that my bus has had 2 years
and an estimated 15000
> miles on the SOHC EJ25 and (touch wood) the transmission is fine
thus far. It is worth
> noting that the transmission received all new bearings (but not
the SA oiling plates) at
> 130000 miles, 30k before the engine transplant. Also. I don't burn
rubber, but I do give
> the bus some wellie across soft sand. Regularly.
>
> On another note, I recently discussed the diesel Subaru with the
fellow who supplied me
> with my with my bellhousing ( www.rjes.com ) who says that the
2006 and later engines
> have computers that are much harder to trick when not part of the
original vehicle. He
> says this issue will only become more difficult in the future.
Having said that, he will be
> waiting at the roadside for the first Subie diese to be available
through a vehicle write off!
>
> Watch this space me thinks.........
>
> Andy.
>
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Scott, 
 
The 2.7 was sold in Australia in the Subaru Vortex as a production and retail motor vehicle.  If anyone tells you otherwise, tell them they're dreaming!!
 
Les
 
----- Original Message -----
From: Scott
Sent: Monday, March 10, 2008 12:11 PM
Subject: [Syncro_T3_Australia] Re: Oiler anyone?


My motor is a pain in the preverbial as getting new parts now must
be via the USA (as it has the largest most competitive market for
ER27's). Subaru Aust now no longer will support engines that were
never available in Aust.


Scott

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Scott,

thanks for the info on your engine/transmission.

As I think I said before, there has been a lot of heresay about the Syncro transmissions
and the inherent lack of ability of them to handle any additional torque than was standard.
Real life experiences count for so much more!

My engine cost me $4500 (2003 Forester). Way more than I thought it should have cost
me but when I bought it there were none around, and it had done only 23000kms. That
price included the wiring harness removed, cut and labelled for me, and the engine test
run on a bench with the labelled harness. The rest of the conversion cost another $3500
to $4k (I'm too scared to add it up!)


This money included items such as the bellhousing from RJES in the UK, high clearance
sump items like air con and power steering hose alterations and all consumables
including Subaru coolant and oils etc. Wherever possible, I tried to buy the best available
parts. The sad thing is I had to rush the last half of the job and consequently am not happy
with some of those parts of the job and want to redo them.

Ce la vie!

A cheaper option is to buy a whole vehicle from a wrecker and resell the parts of the
vehicle not needed. This is what one list member did though I don't know if he has
managed to sell much or not.

I'd like to know more about the bus you saw with a supercharged WRX!
And see some photos.
And go for a spin :-))))))))))))

Cheers,

Andy.
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--- In Syncro_T3_Australia@yahoogroups.com, "Les Harris"
<leslieharris@...> wrote:
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> Scott,
>
> The 2.7 was sold in Australia in the Subaru Vortex as a production
and retail motor vehicle. If anyone tells you otherwise, tell them
they're dreaming!!
>
> Les
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: Scott
> To: Syncro_T3_Australia@yahoogroups.com
> Sent: Monday, March 10, 2008 12:11 PM
> Subject: [Syncro_T3_Australia] Re: Oiler anyone?
>
>
>
> My motor is a pain in the preverbial as getting new parts now
must
> be via the USA (as it has the largest most competitive market
for
> ER27's). Subaru Aust now no longer will support engines that
were
> never available in Aust.
>
>
> Scott
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Even the Subaru dealers tell me otherwise. Maybe they dont like the
colour of my money.

Thanks Les
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--- In Syncro_T3_Australia@yahoogroups.com, "raredownunder"
<rafear@...> wrote:
>
> Scott,
>
> thanks for the info on your engine/transmission.
>
> As I think I said before, there has been a lot of heresay about
the Syncro transmissions
> and the inherent lack of ability of them to handle any additional
torque than was standard.
> Real life experiences count for so much more!
>
> My engine cost me $4500 (2003 Forester). Way more than I thought
it should have cost
> me but when I bought it there were none around, and it had done
only 23000kms. That
> price included the wiring harness removed, cut and labelled for
me, and the engine test
> run on a bench with the labelled harness. The rest of the
conversion cost another $3500
> to $4k (I'm too scared to add it up!)
>
>
> This money included items such as the bellhousing from RJES in the
UK, high clearance
> sump items like air con and power steering hose alterations and
all consumables
> including Subaru coolant and oils etc. Wherever possible, I tried
to buy the best available
> parts. The sad thing is I had to rush the last half of the job and
consequently am not happy
> with some of those parts of the job and want to redo them.
>
> Ce la vie!
>
> A cheaper option is to buy a whole vehicle from a wrecker and
resell the parts of the
> vehicle not needed. This is what one list member did though I
don't know if he has
> managed to sell much or not.
>
> I'd like to know more about the bus you saw with a supercharged
WRX!
> And see some photos.
> And go for a spin :-))))))))))))
>
> Cheers,
>
> Andy.
>


Andy,

The supercharger was to get rid of some of the massive heat build-up
that the turbo system creates. Intercooling in Kombis is not very
effective from what I am told.

I have not seen the car since and hence I will let you know when I
get some more info.

Thanks for the cost break down - I spoke to one guy that was talking
$15,000 + for a conversion. Too much for me.

Cheers,

Scott