----- Original Message -----From: John loweSent: Sunday, September 09, 2007 7:19 AMSubject: [Syncro_T3_Australia] TanksTheo When I purchased my Syncro new in 1989 Fred Black at Out Of Town
4x4 in Barnsley Newcastle 02 4953 3288 made me a 80lt petrol tank plus a
40lt water tank they are still there so maybe a phone call might help
Can't recall the price made in stainless so not cheap
John
>Mine.
> Your message raises a very interesting question. How many Syncros on
> our list are in the hands of the original owners?
>
Phill
http://members.ozemail.com.au/~pjlander/volkswagen_syncro.htm
----- Original Message -----From: plander@optusnet.com.auSent: Sunday, September 09, 2007 9:00 AMSubject: Re: [Syncro_T3_Australia] Original owners
>
> Your message raises a very interesting question. How many Syncros on
> our list are in the hands of the original owners?
>
Mine.
Phill
http://members. ozemail.com. au/~pjlander/ volkswagen_ syncro.htm
Hi Les,
You’re only counting the owners who ordered their syncros new? We bought our 1985 Caravelle GL 1988 out of the Wolfsburg factory. The car was used three years with a factory internal number plate for test drives, motor-press and other things. So the first “owner” was Volkswagen.
Regards
Christoph
Von: Les Harris
[mailto:leslieharris@optushome.com.au]
Gesendet: Sonntag, 9. September
2007 00:06
An: Syncro_T3_Australia@yahoogroups.com
Betreff: [Syncro_T3_Australia]
Original owners
John,
Your message raises a very interesting question. How many Syncros on our list are in the hands of the original owners?
Following direct correspondence recently with Hartmut Kiehn, who has a TriStar, I would like to start compiling a Syncro Profile series to go into the Files section. I intend to start with Hartmut's TriStar and would like to do Yurik's 16" - haven't told him this yet! - and yours would have to be the next candidate.
Les
----- Original Message -----
From: John lowe
Sent: Sunday, September 09, 2007 7:19 AM
Subject: [Syncro_T3_Australi a] Tanks
Theo When I purchased my Syncro new in 1989 Fred Black at Out Of Town
4x4 in Barnsley Newcastle 02 4953 3288 made me a 80lt petrol tank plus a
40lt water tank they are still there so maybe a phone call might help
Can't recall the price made in stainless so not cheap
John
Australia.
Didn't I give you some of that information?
I think that Steve Muller may have the details.
Before I bought mine I test drove many strange syncros, eg single cabs
with dual diff locks, Caravelles with many options. I wonder where they
are now.
Phill
Mine was post ATECO as are most of the syncros. I picked mine up direct from TKM at Wetherill Park after I waited for them to put the complience plate on. I drove it to the dealers with all of the wax on except for a circle in front of me so that I could see.
I picked it up on the Friday of the October long weekend and had to leave it at the dealers until tuesday when they had it detailed and registered. All I got to take home was the owner's manual and some photos!
Phill
> Les Harris <leslieharris@optushome.com.au> wrote:
>
> Phill,
>
> Great! Not only are you next on the list, but I will ask you to put
> together a profile for publication in our Files section.
>
> When compiling these profiles, I would like to include the ATECO plate
> numbers - below the dash and near the RH door pillar. I am still trying
> to get some idea of how many Syncro were sold in Australia. ATECO does
> not know; I have already asked them, but we might get some idea if a
> sequence of numbers emerge from the plates.
>
> All this is directed towards establishing a history of the Syncro in
> Australia. There will never be any more of them and we are the only
> ones who can write their history.
>
> Les
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: plander@optusnet.com.au
> To: Syncro_T3_Australia@yahoogroups.com
> Cc: Syncro_T3_Australia@yahoogroups.com
> Sent: Sunday, September 09, 2007 9:00 AM
> Subject: Re: [Syncro_T3_Australia] Original owners
>
>
>
> >
> > Your message raises a very interesting question. How many Syncros on
>
> > our list are in the hands of the original owners?
> >
>
> Mine.
>
> Phill
>
> http://members.ozemail.com.au/~pjlander/volkswagen_syncro.htm
>
>
>
----- Original Message -----From: plander@optusnet.com.auSent: Sunday, September 09, 2007 10:51 AMSubject: Re: Re: [Syncro_T3_Australia] Original ownersLes,
Mine was post ATECO as are most of the syncros. I picked mine up direct from TKM at Wetherill Park after I waited for them to put the complience plate on. I drove it to the dealers with all of the wax on except for a circle in front of me so that I could see.
I picked it up on the Friday of the October long weekend and had to leave it at the dealers until tuesday when they had it detailed and registered. All I got to take home was the owner's manual and some photos!
Phill
> Les Harris <leslieharris@ optushome. com.au> wrote:
>
> Phill,
>
> Great! Not only are you next on the list, but I will ask you to put
> together a profile for publication in our Files section.
>
> When compiling these profiles, I would like to include the ATECO plate
> numbers - below the dash and near the RH door pillar. I am still trying
> to get some idea of how many Syncro were sold in Australia. ATECO does
> not know; I have already asked them, but we might get some idea if a
> sequence of numbers emerge from the plates.
>
> All this is directed towards establishing a history of the Syncro in
> Australia. There will never be any more of them and we are the only
> ones who can write their history.
>
> Les
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: plander@optusnet. com.au
> To: Syncro_T3_Australia @yahoogroups. com
> Cc: Syncro_T3_Australia @yahoogroups. com
> Sent: Sunday, September 09, 2007 9:00 AM
> Subject: Re: [Syncro_T3_Australi a] Original owners
>
>
>
> >
> > Your message raises a very interesting question. How many Syncros on
>
> > our list are in the hands of the original owners?
> >
>
> Mine.
>
> Phill
>
> http://members. ozemail.com. au/~pjlander/ volkswagen_ syncro.htm
>
>
>
----- Original Message -----From: PhillSent: Sunday, September 09, 2007 11:00 AMSubject: [Syncro_T3_Australia] Re: Original ownersI am still trying to get some idea of how many Syncro were sold in
Australia.
Didn't I give you some of that information?
I think that Steve Muller may have the details.
Before I bought mine I test drove many strange syncros, eg single cabs
with dual diff locks, Caravelles with many options. I wonder where they
are now.
Phill
----- Original Message -----From: plander@optusnet.com.auSent: Sunday, September 09, 2007 10:51 AMSubject: Re: Re: [Syncro_T3_Australia] Original ownersLes,
Mine was post ATECO as are most of the syncros. I picked mine up direct from TKM at Wetherill Park after I waited for them to put the complience plate on. I drove it to the dealers with all of the wax on except for a circle in front of me so that I could see.
I picked it up on the Friday of the October long weekend and had to leave it at the dealers until tuesday when they had it detailed and registered. All I got to take home was the owner's manual and some photos!
Phill
> Les Harris <leslieharris@ optushome. com.au> wrote:
>
> Phill,
>
> Great! Not only are you next on the list, but I will ask you to put
> together a profile for publication in our Files section.
>
> When compiling these profiles, I would like to include the ATECO plate
> numbers - below the dash and near the RH door pillar. I am still trying
> to get some idea of how many Syncro were sold in Australia. ATECO does
> not know; I have already asked them, but we might get some idea if a
> sequence of numbers emerge from the plates.
>
> All this is directed towards establishing a history of the Syncro in
> Australia. There will never be any more of them and we are the only
> ones who can write their history.
>
> Les
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: plander@optusnet. com.au
> To: Syncro_T3_Australia @yahoogroups. com
> Cc: Syncro_T3_Australia @yahoogroups. com
> Sent: Sunday, September 09, 2007 9:00 AM
> Subject: Re: [Syncro_T3_Australi a] Original owners
>
>
>
> >
> > Your message raises a very interesting question. How many Syncros on
>
> > our list are in the hands of the original owners?
> >
>
> Mine.
>
> Phill
>
> http://members. ozemail.com. au/~pjlander/ volkswagen_ syncro.htm
>
>
>
----- Original Message -----From: Christoph BoltzeSent: Sunday, September 09, 2007 8:48 AMSubject: AW: [Syncro_T3_Australia] Original owners
Hi Les,
Youre only counting the owners who ordered their syncros new? We bought our 1985 Caravelle GL 1988 out of the Wolfsburg factory. The car was used three years with a factory internal number plate for test drives, motor-press and other things. So the first owner was Volkswagen.
Regards
Christoph
Von: Les Harris [mailto:leslieharri s@optushome. com.au]
Gesendet: Sonntag, 9. September 2007 00:06
An: Syncro_T3_Australia @yahoogroups. com
Betreff: [Syncro_T3_Australi a] Original owners
John,
Your message raises a very interesting question. How many Syncros on our list are in the hands of the original owners?
Following direct correspondence recently with Hartmut Kiehn, who has a TriStar, I would like to start compiling a Syncro Profile series to go into the Files section. I intend to start with Hartmut's TriStar and would like to do Yurik's 16" - haven't told him this yet! - and yours would have to be the next candidate.
Les
----- Original Message -----
From: John lowe
Sent: Sunday, September 09, 2007 7:19 AM
Subject: [Syncro_T3_Australi a] Tanks
Theo When I purchased my Syncro new in 1989 Fred Black at Out Of Town
4x4 in Barnsley Newcastle 02 4953 3288 made me a 80lt petrol tank plus a
40lt water tank they are still there so maybe a phone call might help
Can't recall the price made in stainless so not cheap
John
----- Original Message -----From: Christoph BoltzeSent: Sunday, September 09, 2007 8:48 AMSubject: AW: [Syncro_T3_Australia] Original owners
Hi Les,
Youre only counting the owners who ordered their syncros new? We bought our 1985 Caravelle GL 1988 out of the Wolfsburg factory. The car was used three years with a factory internal number plate for test drives, motor-press and other things. So the first owner was Volkswagen.
Regards
Christoph
Von: Les Harris [mailto:leslieharri s@optushome. com.au]
Gesendet: Sonntag, 9. September 2007 00:06
An: Syncro_T3_Australia @yahoogroups. com
Betreff: [Syncro_T3_Australi a] Original owners
John,
Your message raises a very interesting question. How many Syncros on our list are in the hands of the original owners?
Following direct correspondence recently with Hartmut Kiehn, who has a TriStar, I would like to start compiling a Syncro Profile series to go into the Files section. I intend to start with Hartmut's TriStar and would like to do Yurik's 16" - haven't told him this yet! - and yours would have to be the next candidate.
Les
----- Original Message -----
From: John lowe
Sent: Sunday, September 09, 2007 7:19 AM
Subject: [Syncro_T3_Australi a] Tanks
Theo When I purchased my Syncro new in 1989 Fred Black at Out Of Town
4x4 in Barnsley Newcastle 02 4953 3288 made me a 80lt petrol tank plus a
40lt water tank they are still there so maybe a phone call might help
Can't recall the price made in stainless so not cheap
John
>It was January 1990. Have a look at some of the brochures. TKM really started the marketing and dropped the prices to a reasonable amount.
> I live and learn. I wasn't aware that TKM had taken over the
> distribution.. Have you any idea what year that was?
>
Ateco only imported VWs from June 1987 until December 1989.
Have you contacted Rod or Lloyd Davies?
Phill
How about you keep a database with actual VINs and M codes? Forget
about year models as a lot of people read them off the stupid compliance
plates. We can work out build dates from the VIN.
Do you know the story about Hartmut Kiehn's TriStar?
Phill
----- Original Message -----From: PhillSent: Sunday, September 09, 2007 1:01 PMSubject: [Syncro_T3_Australia] Re: Original owners
Les,
How about you keep a database with actual VINs and M codes? Forget
about year models as a lot of people read them off the stupid compliance
plates. We can work out build dates from the VIN.
Do you know the story about Hartmut Kiehn's TriStar?
Phill
You are right. When it comes down to it, the VIN is the core piece of information. Who knows, even VAG might have some record of those.
I doubt it!
I thought the TriStar was an '89? It may be an early '90. We need his VIN.
>
> Re Hartmut's great red beast, I will be uploading the profile shortly. It contains his own description but all additional facts will be welcome. I changed the group's home page picture this morning to his TriStar.
>
> Les
The TriStar was an evaluation vehicle for Ateco/TKM. It was brought in, but they thought that the cost was too great and that it would not sell. Geoff Ford, a panel beater from Brookevale saw it and ordered a white TriStar from TKM at a cost of around $55,000 and waited but it didn't come, so TKM made one from a normal Dual Cab.
Some German factory engineers visited the VW Nationals at easter 1990 and drove the red TriStar around the test track causing a fair bit of body damage after hitting an emabankment! They were driving when the famous photo was taken with the front wheels in the air!
Phill
I wonder what happened to the winch?
----- Original Message -----From: PhillSent: Sunday, September 09, 2007 4:40 PMSubject: [Syncro_T3_Australia] Re: Original owners
You are right. When it comes down to it, the VIN is the core piece of information. Who knows, even VAG might have some record of those.I doubt it!
I thought the TriStar was an '89? It may be an early '90. We need his VIN.
>
> Re Hartmut's great red beast, I will be uploading the profile shortly. It contains his own description but all additional facts will be welcome. I changed the group's home page picture this morning to his TriStar.
>
> LesThe TriStar was an evaluation vehicle for Ateco/TKM. It was brought in, but they thought that the cost was too great and that it would not sell. Geoff Ford, a panel beater from Brookevale saw it and ordered a white TriStar from TKM at a cost of around $55,000 and waited but it didn't come, so TKM made one from a normal Dual Cab.
Some German factory engineers visited the VW Nationals at easter 1990 and drove the red TriStar around the test track causing a fair bit of body damage after hitting an emabankment! They were driving when the famous photo was taken with the front wheels in the air!
Phill
I wonder what happened to the winch?
-----Original Message-----
From: Syncro_T3_Australia@yahoogroups.com [mailto:Syncro_T3_Australia@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Phill
Sent: Sunday, September 09, 2007 4:41 PM
To: Syncro_T3_Australia@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [Syncro_T3_Australia] Re: Original owners
You are right. When it comes down to it, the VIN is the core piece of information. Who knows, even VAG might have some record of those.I doubt it!
I thought the TriStar was an '89? It may be an early '90. We need his VIN.
>
> Re Hartmut's great red beast, I will be uploading the profile shortly. It contains his own description but all additional facts will be welcome. I changed the group's home page picture this morning to his TriStar.
>
> LesThe TriStar was an evaluation vehicle for Ateco/TKM. It was brought in, but they thought that the cost was too great and that it would not sell. Geoff Ford, a panel beater from Brookevale saw it and ordered a white TriStar from TKM at a cost of around $55,000 and waited but it didn't come, so TKM made one from a normal Dual Cab.
Some German factory engineers visited the VW Nationals at easter 1990 and drove the red TriStar around the test track causing a fair bit of body damage after hitting an emabankment! They were driving when the famous photo was taken with the front wheels in the air!
Phill
I wonder what happened to the winch?
Phill
> Elke Kiehn <kiehns@ozemail.com.au> wrote:
>
> that's all very true Phill - I always wondered why the under car
> protection panels and beams as well as the prop shaft had the spare
> parts stickers on them. I could never work that out. If you know of any
> outside damage to my car, please let me know - I never found anything.
> Thanks for the info as I never knew about those facts.
>
> The winch is in my garage. I took it off when it pulled the whole
> bullbar away from the body as I tried to retrieve a tree from the bush.
> Hartmut
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Syncro_T3_Australia@yahoogroups.com
> [mailto:Syncro_T3_Australia@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Phill
> Sent: Sunday, September 09, 2007 4:41 PM
> To: Syncro_T3_Australia@yahoogroups.com
> Subject: [Syncro_T3_Australia] Re: Original owners
>
>
>
>
>
> You are right. When it comes down to it, the VIN is the core piece of
> information. Who knows, even VAG might have some record of those.
>
> I doubt it!
>
> I thought the TriStar was an '89? It may be an early '90. We need his
> VIN.
>
>
>
>
> >
> > Re Hartmut's great red beast, I will be uploading the profile shortly.
> It contains his own description but all additional facts will be
> welcome. I changed the group's home page picture this morning to his
> TriStar.
> >
> > Les
>
>
> The TriStar was an evaluation vehicle for Ateco/TKM. It was brought in,
> but they thought that the cost was too great and that it would not sell.
> Geoff Ford, a panel beater from Brookevale saw it and ordered a white
> TriStar from TKM at a cost of around $55,000 and waited but it didn't
> come, so TKM made one from a normal Dual Cab.
>
> Some German factory engineers visited the VW Nationals at easter 1990
> and drove the red TriStar around the test track causing a fair bit of
> body damage after hitting an emabankment! They were driving when the
> famous photo was taken with the front wheels in the air!
>
> Phill
>
> TriStar <http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v114/pjlander/Tristar.jpg>
>
> I wonder what happened to the winch?
>
>
>
>
>
>
-----Original Message-----
From: Syncro_T3_Australia@yahoogroups.com [mailto:Syncro_T3_Australia@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Les Harris
Sent: Sunday, September 09, 2007 4:50 PM
To: Syncro_T3_Australia@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [Syncro_T3_Australia] Re: Original owners
Phill,This is wonderful stuff and this is the real history of at least one of the Australian Syncros.The question is: does Hartmut know this?Hartmut?Les----- Original Message -----From: PhillSent: Sunday, September 09, 2007 4:40 PMSubject: [Syncro_T3_Australi a] Re: Original owners
You are right. When it comes down to it, the VIN is the core piece of information. Who knows, even VAG might have some record of those.I doubt it!
I thought the TriStar was an '89? It may be an early '90. We need his VIN.
>
> Re Hartmut's great red beast, I will be uploading the profile shortly. It contains his own description but all additional facts will be welcome. I changed the group's home page picture this morning to his TriStar.
>
> LesThe TriStar was an evaluation vehicle for Ateco/TKM. It was brought in, but they thought that the cost was too great and that it would not sell. Geoff Ford, a panel beater from Brookevale saw it and ordered a white TriStar from TKM at a cost of around $55,000 and waited but it didn't come, so TKM made one from a normal Dual Cab.
Some German factory engineers visited the VW Nationals at easter 1990 and drove the red TriStar around the test track causing a fair bit of body damage after hitting an emabankment! They were driving when the famous photo was taken with the front wheels in the air!
Phill
I wonder what happened to the winch?
Phill
> Elke Kiehn <kiehns@ozemail.com.au> wrote:
>
> that's all very true Phill - I always wondered why the under car
> protection panels and beams as well as the prop shaft had the spare
> parts stickers on them. I could never work that out. If you know of any
> outside damage to my car, please let me know - I never found anything.
> Thanks for the info as I never knew about those facts.
>
> The winch is in my garage. I took it off when it pulled the whole
> bullbar away from the body as I tried to retrieve a tree from the bush.
> Hartmut
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Syncro_T3_Australia@yahoogroups.com
> [mailto:Syncro_T3_Australia@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Phill
> Sent: Sunday, September 09, 2007 4:41 PM
> To: Syncro_T3_Australia@yahoogroups.com
> Subject: [Syncro_T3_Australia] Re: Original owners
>
>
>
>
>
> You are right. When it comes down to it, the VIN is the core piece of
> information. Who knows, even VAG might have some record of those.
>
> I doubt it!
>
> I thought the TriStar was an '89? It may be an early '90. We need his
> VIN.
>
>
>
>
> >
> > Re Hartmut's great red beast, I will be uploading the profile shortly.
> It contains his own description but all additional facts will be
> welcome. I changed the group's home page picture this morning to his
> TriStar.
> >
> > Les
>
>
> The TriStar was an evaluation vehicle for Ateco/TKM. It was brought in,
> but they thought that the cost was too great and that it would not sell.
> Geoff Ford, a panel beater from Brookevale saw it and ordered a white
> TriStar from TKM at a cost of around $55,000 and waited but it didn't
> come, so TKM made one from a normal Dual Cab.
>
> Some German factory engineers visited the VW Nationals at easter 1990
> and drove the red TriStar around the test track causing a fair bit of
> body damage after hitting an emabankment! They were driving when the
> famous photo was taken with the front wheels in the air!
>
> Phill
>
> TriStar <http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v114/pjlander/Tristar.jpg>
>
> I wonder what happened to the winch?
>
>
>
>
>
>