Photos of heavy duty SA Mud Flaps

Hello All,
 
I thought it was appropriate to change the subject to make these easier to access in the archives. Attached pics are courtesy of "Oxroad" Jeff in Los Angeles. He bought these mudflaps from a former listmember called James Cohen who used to finance his Syncro habit by selling a few trinkets from VW of South Africa. This is going back nearly a decade. Just to recap, the part number is: 22S 821 833
 
Jeff, wanted me to point out that the rear mudflaps have this unique (to the SA flaps) extension shield which fits inside the back of the rear wheel wells. See 4th pic.
 
It looks to me that these are different from the mudflaps currently available from Europe or RSA. My memory was faulty as to how they attached to the body from I mentioned in my previous email.

Hoping that these attachments aren't to large for the forum. If so I can reduce the size and resend.
 
 
Regards,
 
BenT
 
 
 
On Sat, Nov 29, 2008 at 3:04 PM, Les Harris <leslieharris@optushome.com.au> wrote:
Martin's reply.
 
----- Original Message -----
From: "Martin Henning" <martin@easy2design.de>
Sent: Sunday, November 30, 2008 9:59 AM
Subject: Re: Mud Flaps SA.pdf

> Les,
>
> the thing is: The SA microbusses where mostly fitted with plastic 
> bumpers all around, which made it impossible to mount the standard-
> style mud flaps! They were intended for 2WD anyway, as there were only 
> very few syncros over there. Up to date i have no hints, that the 
> original US/EU/AU-style mudflaps have ever been officially available 
> in SA. At least my SA-ETKA doesn't list them at all.
>
> .martin

>
>
>
> On 29.11.2008, at 23:35, Les Harris wrote:
>
>> Martin,
>>
>> We appear to be on different trams.  The flaps shown in the ETKA 
>> extract fit inside the wheel arches.  The plastic things fit along 
>> the edge of the wheel arch.  The heavy moulded flaps fit to the body 
>> well behind the wheel arches front and rear.
>>
>> The attached pics show what we got in Australia.  They are very 
>> thick and the blades that run up the outside of the body are around 
>> 30 mm thick.
>>
>> As nominated by Phill, the following extract from ETKA shows the 
>> mudflaps we got in Australia:
>> 251 821 809 mud flap with bracket left front
>>
>> 251 821 810 mud flap with bracket right front
>>
>> 900 691 01 threaded pin 5X30
>>
>> 251 821 811 A mud flap with bracket left rear
>>
>> 251 821 812 A mud flap with bracket right rear
>>
>>
>> As a matter of interest, the mounting plate for the original front 
>> flap is thicker than the whole plastic flap.
>>
>>
>> Image 0226 is the thin plastic thing.  It attached to the rim of the 
>> wheel arch.  Very low resolution pics, sorry.
>>
>> Putting together the information that has come in, it would appear 
>> that the plastic things have become the replacement for the heavy 
>> moulded rubber, which was original fitment.  This probably happened 
>> at the point where production of the T3 ended.  All of which is a 
>> bit sad to think that VAG would drop the original and replace it 
>> with a thin plastic moulding.
>>
>> Les
>>
>>
>> ----- Original Message -----
>> From: "Martin Henning" <
martin@easy2design.de>
>> To: "Les Harris" <
leslieharris@optushome.com.au>

>> Sent: Sunday, November 30, 2008 8:13 AM
>> Subject: Re: Mud Flaps SA.pdf
>>
>
> --
> Martin Henning, DM5OY
>
martin@easy2design.de
> http://log.tigerbus.de
OK, that killed it. The attachment was too large for the "mailmarshall". I've deleted a few of the pics to try to get it through this time.
 
 
BenT

---------- Forwarded message ----------
From: BenT Syncro <syncro@gmail.com>
Date: Mon, Dec 1, 2008 at 5:27 PM
Subject: Photos of heavy duty SA Mud Flaps
To: syncro_t3_australia <syncro_t3_australia@yahoogroups.com>


Hello All,
 
I thought it was appropriate to change the subject to make these easier to access in the archives. Attached pics are courtesy of "Oxroad" Jeff in Los Angeles. He bought these mudflaps from a former listmember called James Cohen who used to finance his Syncro habit by selling a few trinkets from VW of South Africa. This is going back nearly a decade. Just to recap, the part number is: 22S 821 833
 
Jeff, wanted me to point out that the rear mudflaps have this unique (to the SA flaps) extension shield which fits inside the back of the rear wheel wells. See 4th pic.
 
It looks to me that these are different from the mudflaps currently available from Europe or RSA. My memory was faulty as to how they attached to the body from I mentioned in my previous email.

Hoping that these attachments aren't to large for the forum. If so I can reduce the size and resend.
 
 
Regards,
 
BenT
 
 
 
On Sat, Nov 29, 2008 at 3:04 PM, Les Harris <leslieharris@optushome.com.au> wrote:
Martin's reply.
 
----- Original Message -----
From: "Martin Henning" <martin@easy2design.de>
Sent: Sunday, November 30, 2008 9:59 AM
Subject: Re: Mud Flaps SA.pdf

> Les,
>
> the thing is: The SA microbusses where mostly fitted with plastic 
> bumpers all around, which made it impossible to mount the standard-
> style mud flaps! They were intended for 2WD anyway, as there were only 
> very few syncros over there. Up to date i have no hints, that the 
> original US/EU/AU-style mudflaps have ever been officially available 
> in SA. At least my SA-ETKA doesn't list them at all.
>
> .martin

>
>
>
> On 29.11.2008, at 23:35, Les Harris wrote:
>
>> Martin,
>>
>> We appear to be on different trams.  The flaps shown in the ETKA 
>> extract fit inside the wheel arches.  The plastic things fit along 
>> the edge of the wheel arch.  The heavy moulded flaps fit to the body 
>> well behind the wheel arches front and rear.
>>
>> The attached pics show what we got in Australia.  They are very 
>> thick and the blades that run up the outside of the body are around 
>> 30 mm thick.
>>
>> As nominated by Phill, the following extract from ETKA shows the 
>> mudflaps we got in Australia:
>> 251 821 809 mud flap with bracket left front
>>
>> 251 821 810 mud flap with bracket right front
>>
>> 900 691 01 threaded pin 5X30
>>
>> 251 821 811 A mud flap with bracket left rear
>>
>> 251 821 812 A mud flap with bracket right rear
>>
>>
>> As a matter of interest, the mounting plate for the original front 
>> flap is thicker than the whole plastic flap.
>>
>>
>> Image 0226 is the thin plastic thing.  It attached to the rim of the 
>> wheel arch.  Very low resolution pics, sorry.
>>
>> Putting together the information that has come in, it would appear 
>> that the plastic things have become the replacement for the heavy 
>> moulded rubber, which was original fitment.  This probably happened 
>> at the point where production of the T3 ended.  All of which is a 
>> bit sad to think that VAG would drop the original and replace it 
>> with a thin plastic moulding.
>>
>> Les
>>
>>
>> ----- Original Message -----
>> From: "Martin Henning" <
martin@easy2design.de>
>> To: "Les Harris" <
leslieharris@optushome.com.au>

>> Sent: Sunday, November 30, 2008 8:13 AM
>> Subject: Re: Mud Flaps SA.pdf
>>
>
> --
> Martin Henning, DM5OY
>
martin@easy2design.de
> http://log.tigerbus.de



--
BenT
Ben,
 
Interesting.  I can see that they are moulded plastic but these are different again, starting from the mould part lines and the depth of the section.  I can see that one extends into the wheel arch, not sure if that is front or rear from the pics but the earlier text indicates rear wheel arch.  It is actually a good idea.  So there are (or have been) several different sets in circulation apart from the original heavy moulded rubber version.
 
Les
 
 
----- Original Message -----
Sent: Tuesday, December 02, 2008 1:19 PM
Subject: [Syncro_T3_Australia] Fwd: Photos of heavy duty SA Mud Flaps

OK, that killed it. The attachment was too large for the "mailmarshall". I've deleted a few of the pics to try to get it through this time.
 
 
BenT

---------- Forwarded message ----------
From: BenT Syncro <syncro@gmail. com>
Date: Mon, Dec 1, 2008 at 5:27 PM
Subject: Photos of heavy duty SA Mud Flaps
To: syncro_t3_australia <syncro_t3_australia @yahoogroups. com>


Hello All,
 
I thought it was appropriate to change the subject to make these easier to access in the archives. Attached pics are courtesy of "Oxroad" Jeff in Los Angeles. He bought these mudflaps from a former listmember called James Cohen who used to finance his Syncro habit by selling a few trinkets from VW of South Africa. This is going back nearly a decade. Just to recap, the part number is: 22S 821 833
 
Jeff, wanted me to point out that the rear mudflaps have this unique (to the SA flaps) extension shield which fits inside the back of the rear wheel wells. See 4th pic.
 
It looks to me that these are different from the mudflaps currently available from Europe or RSA. My memory was faulty as to how they attached to the body from I mentioned in my previous email.

Hoping that these attachments aren't to large for the forum. If so I can reduce the size and resend.
 
 
Regards,
 
BenT
 
 
 
On Sat, Nov 29, 2008 at 3:04 PM, Les Harris <leslieharris@ optushome. com.au> wrote:
Martin's reply.
 
----- Original Message -----
From: "Martin Henning" <martin@easy2design. de>
Sent: Sunday, November 30, 2008 9:59 AM
Subject: Re: Mud Flaps SA.pdf

> Les,
>
> the thing is: The SA microbusses where mostly fitted with plastic 
> bumpers all around, which made it impossible to mount the standard-
> style mud flaps! They were intended for 2WD anyway, as there were only 
> very few syncros over there. Up to date i have no hints, that the 
> original US/EU/AU-style mudflaps have ever been officially available 
> in SA. At least my SA-ETKA doesn't list them at all.
>
> .martin

>
>
>
> On 29.11.2008, at 23:35, Les Harris wrote:
>
>> Martin,
>>
>> We appear to be on different trams.  The flaps shown in the ETKA 
>> extract fit inside the wheel arches.  The plastic things fit along 
>> the edge of the wheel arch.  The heavy moulded flaps fit to the body 
>> well behind the wheel arches front and rear.
>>
>> The attached pics show what we got in Australia.  They are very 
>> thick and the blades that run up the outside of the body are around 
>> 30 mm thick.
>>
>> As nominated by Phill, the following extract from ETKA shows the 
>> mudflaps we got in Australia:
>> 251 821 809 mud flap with bracket left front
>>
>> 251 821 810 mud flap with bracket right front
>>
>> 900 691 01 threaded pin 5X30
>>
>> 251 821 811 A mud flap with bracket left rear
>>
>> 251 821 812 A mud flap with bracket right rear
>>
>>
>> As a matter of interest, the mounting plate for the original front 
>> flap is thicker than the whole plastic flap.
>>
>>
>> Image 0226 is the thin plastic thing.  It attached to the rim of the 
>> wheel arch.  Very low resolution pics, sorry.
>>
>> Putting together the information that has come in, it would appear 
>> that the plastic things have become the replacement for the heavy 
>> moulded rubber, which was original fitment.  This probably happened 
>> at the point where production of the T3 ended.  All of which is a 
>> bit sad to think that VAG would drop the original and replace it 
>> with a thin plastic moulding.
>>
>> Les
>>
>>
>> ----- Original Message -----
>> From: "Martin Henning" <
martin@easy2design. de>
>> To: "Les Harris" <
leslieharris@ optushome. com.au>

>> Sent: Sunday, November 30, 2008 8:13 AM
>> Subject: Re: Mud Flaps SA.pdf
>>
>
> --
> Martin Henning, DM5OY
>
martin@easy2design. de
> http://log.tigerbus .de



--
BenT

On Mon, Dec 1, 2008 at 7:57 PM, Les Harris <leslieharris@optushome.com.au> wrote:
Ben,
 
Interesting.  I can see that they are moulded plastic but these are different again, starting from the mould part lines and the depth of the section.  I can see that one extends into the wheel arch, not sure if that is front or rear from the pics but the earlier text indicates rear wheel arch.  It is actually a good idea.  So there are (or have been) several different sets in circulation apart from the original heavy moulded rubber version.
 
Les
 
 
Les,
 
These are NOT plastic. They are very heavy rubber. The extension is indeed in the rear portion of the rear wheel arch. The The front does not have this provision. You can see the pic labeled "RF Detail 01" which clearly shows there is nothing on the inner fender of the right front mudflap. For the record these were installed on a 2wd Vanagon.  Maybe the rest of the pics will help.
 
 
BenT
AARGH!!  I meant to say "moulded", not "moulded plastic".
 
Depending on how they are attached to the wheel arch, the look like they could do a better job than the ones that are set several inches back along the body.  Next question: are they still available or has the plastic job replaced them?
 
The front flaps would have the big advantage of not being sandwiched by hoist arms. 
 
Les
 
----- Original Message -----
Sent: Tuesday, December 02, 2008 4:01 PM
Subject: Re: [Syncro_T3_Australia] Fwd: Photos of heavy duty SA Mud Flaps

On Mon, Dec 1, 2008 at 7:57 PM, Les Harris <leslieharris@ optushome. com.au> wrote:
Ben,
 
Interesting.  I can see that they are moulded plastic but these are different again, starting from the mould part lines and the depth of the section.  I can see that one extends into the wheel arch, not sure if that is front or rear from the pics but the earlier text indicates rear wheel arch.  It is actually a good idea.  So there are (or have been) several different sets in circulation apart from the original heavy moulded rubber version.
 
Les
 
 
Les,
 
These are NOT plastic. They are very heavy rubber. The extension is indeed in the rear portion of the rear wheel arch. The The front does not have this provision. You can see the pic labeled "RF Detail 01" which clearly shows there is nothing on the inner fender of the right front mudflap. For the record these were installed on a 2wd Vanagon.  Maybe the rest of the pics will help.
 
 
BenT

--- In Syncro_T3_Australia@yahoogroups.com, "Les Harris"
<leslieharris@...> wrote:
>Hey Guys,
Ive been thinking of getting some 16 in extryded flares
which is amost a mudflap topic.
Also they did make some syncros in SA in 1993 i think with big windows



Regards Pete
> AARGH!! I meant to say "moulded", not "moulded plastic".
>
> Depending on how they are attached to the wheel arch, the look like
they could do a better job than the ones that are set several inches
back along the body. Next question: are they still available or has
the plastic job replaced them?
>
> The front flaps would have the big advantage of not being
sandwiched by hoist arms.
>
> Les
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: BenT Syncro
> To: Syncro_T3_Australia@yahoogroups.com
> Sent: Tuesday, December 02, 2008 4:01 PM
> Subject: Re: [Syncro_T3_Australia] Fwd: Photos of heavy duty SA
Mud Flaps
>
>
>
> On Mon, Dec 1, 2008 at 7:57 PM, Les Harris <leslieharris@...>
wrote:
>
> Ben,
>
> Interesting. I can see that they are moulded plastic but these
are different again, starting from the mould part lines and the depth
of the section. I can see that one extends into the wheel arch, not
sure if that is front or rear from the pics but the earlier text
indicates rear wheel arch. It is actually a good idea. So there are
(or have been) several different sets in circulation apart from the
original heavy moulded rubber version.
>
> Les
>
>
> Les,
>
> These are NOT plastic. They are very heavy rubber. The extension
is indeed in the rear portion of the rear wheel arch. The The front
does not have this provision. You can see the pic labeled "RF Detail
01" which clearly shows there is nothing on the inner fender of the
right front mudflap. For the record these were installed on a 2wd
Vanagon. Maybe the rest of the pics will help.
>
>
> BenT
>
On Mon, Dec 1, 2008 at 9:11 PM, Les Harris <leslieharris@optushome.com.au> wrote:
AARGH!!  I meant to say "moulded", not "moulded plastic".
 
Depending on how they are attached to the wheel arch, the look like they could do a better job than the ones that are set several inches back along the body.  Next question: are they still available or has the plastic job replaced them?
 
The front flaps would have the big advantage of not being sandwiched by hoist arms. 
 
Les
 
 
I'm not really sure about current avilability. Perhaps someone from SA can answer that better. I asked my contact about James Cohen, who brought the stuff in before. Last contact with the fellow was 3 years ago. I do have an email address to try. Here's
another pic of the mudflaps as installed on the plush 2.6 liter SA Big Window Caravelle. This guy is 2wd though. =(
 
 
BenT