R&R Starter motor

1
Gday ALL,
Having starter motor trouble at the moment, could be bad connections
causing it and/or trouble in the motor itself. I don't think it's the
battery. I'm undecided whether to just take it to the mechanic/auto
electrician and say "fix it" or have a go at removing it myself, then
give it to the auto electrician to check. That way I can clean out
all the crud in the vicinity and check/clean/lubricate the electrical
connections and grounding while the starter is out.

Trouble is space seems so tight to get at it and I can't even see
both fixing bolts/nuts, let alone everything else that has to be
shifted or dismantled to get it out. I've read up what little there
is on the subject in Bentley's but at the moment it still looks a
pretty daunting task.

Has anyone done this and maybe has some helpful thoughts on this
please. To be realistic, should I even attempt this? If so, are there
special tools needed to get at the "hidden" fixings? Does the axle
shaft have to be removed at both ends and are there re-assembly
issues with this? Or would it be more prudent to simply take it to
the experts to fix? Any thoughts would be appreciated. TIA. Cheers.

Ken
2
Hi Ken

Double check the battery status & earthing connection under the
seat. Also the keyswitch has been known to cause problems.

Working on the starter is a pain witout first lowering the tranny.

Details for that can be found at the USA syncro site:
http://autos.groups.yahoo.com/group/Syncro/files/technica/Transmissio
n/

Regards

Peter





--- In Syncro_T3_Australia@yahoogroups.com, "Ken" <unclekenz@...>
wrote:
>
> Gday ALL,
> Having starter motor trouble at the moment, could be bad
connections
> causing it and/or trouble in the motor itself. I don't think it's
the
> battery. I'm undecided whether to just take it to the
mechanic/auto
> electrician and say "fix it" or have a go at removing it myself,
then
> give it to the auto electrician to check. That way I can clean out
> all the crud in the vicinity and check/clean/lubricate the
electrical
> connections and grounding while the starter is out.
>
> Trouble is space seems so tight to get at it and I can't even see
> both fixing bolts/nuts, let alone everything else that has to be
> shifted or dismantled to get it out. I've read up what little
there
> is on the subject in Bentley's but at the moment it still looks a
> pretty daunting task.
>
> Has anyone done this and maybe has some helpful thoughts on this
> please. To be realistic, should I even attempt this? If so, are
there
> special tools needed to get at the "hidden" fixings? Does the axle
> shaft have to be removed at both ends and are there re-assembly
> issues with this? Or would it be more prudent to simply take it to
> the experts to fix? Any thoughts would be appreciated. TIA. Cheers.
>
> Ken
>
3
I think that the usual workshop procedure is to remove the diff lock mechanism then remove the starter, but dropping the gearbox would give good access.  Most starter motor problems come down to the solenoid not pulling in because of a poor current path.
 
Les
 
----- Original Message -----
From: Ken
Sent: Friday, June 16, 2006 12:28 AM
Subject: [Syncro_T3_Australia] R&R Starter motor

Gday ALL,
Having starter motor trouble at the moment, could be bad connections
causing it and/or trouble in the motor itself. I don't think it's the
battery. I'm undecided whether to just take it to the mechanic/auto
electrician and say "fix it" or have a go at removing it myself, then
give it to the auto electrician to check. That way I can clean out
all the crud in the vicinity and check/clean/ lubricate the electrical
connections and grounding while the starter is out.

Trouble is space seems so tight to get at it and I can't even see
both fixing bolts/nuts, let alone everything else that has to be
shifted or dismantled to get it out. I've read up what little there
is on the subject in Bentley's but at the moment it still looks a
pretty daunting task.

Has anyone done this and maybe has some helpful thoughts on this
please. To be realistic, should I even attempt this? If so, are there
special tools needed to get at the "hidden" fixings? Does the axle
shaft have to be removed at both ends and are there re-assembly
issues with this? Or would it be more prudent to simply take it to
the experts to fix? Any thoughts would be appreciated. TIA. Cheers.

Ken

4
Gday Peter,

Everything else works as normal electrically. I've hooked up an extra
battery to the syncro battery but makes no difference. The Syncro
clutch-starts easily enough. So I think it's still a degraded connection
somewhere in the starter circuitry or the starter is having a heart
attack, which brings me back to where I started. What Les says about the
solenoid makes sense.

Lower the tranny eh. Bentleys doesn't mention that, but does suggest
removing the drive axle.

Oh well, looks like I better sleep on this. Maybe I can just always park
at the top of a hill .. lol. Thanks all. Cheers.

Ken




--- In Syncro_T3_Australia@yahoogroups.com, "Peter" <kestel.p@...>
wrote:
>
> Hi Ken
>
> Double check the battery status & earthing connection under the
> seat. Also the keyswitch has been known to cause problems.
>
> Working on the starter is a pain witout first lowering the tranny.
>
> Details for that can be found at the USA syncro site:
> http://autos.groups.yahoo.com/group/Syncro/files/technica/Transmissio
> n/
>
> Regards
>
> Peter
>
>
>
>
>
> --- In Syncro_T3_Australia@yahoogroups.com, "Ken" unclekenz@
> wrote:
> >
> > Gday ALL,
> > Having starter motor trouble at the moment, could be bad
> connections
> > causing it and/or trouble in the motor itself. I don't think it's
> the
> > battery. I'm undecided whether to just take it to the
> mechanic/auto
> > electrician and say "fix it" or have a go at removing it myself,
> then
> > give it to the auto electrician to check. That way I can clean out
> > all the crud in the vicinity and check/clean/lubricate the
> electrical
> > connections and grounding while the starter is out.
> >
> > Trouble is space seems so tight to get at it and I can't even see
> > both fixing bolts/nuts, let alone everything else that has to be
> > shifted or dismantled to get it out. I've read up what little
> there
> > is on the subject in Bentley's but at the moment it still looks a
> > pretty daunting task.
> >
> > Has anyone done this and maybe has some helpful thoughts on this
> > please. To be realistic, should I even attempt this? If so, are
> there
> > special tools needed to get at the "hidden" fixings? Does the axle
> > shaft have to be removed at both ends and are there re-assembly
> > issues with this? Or would it be more prudent to simply take it to
> > the experts to fix? Any thoughts would be appreciated. TIA. Cheers.
> >
> > Ken
> >
>
5
Gday all,
Can anyone tell me how to tackle removing the rear fastener (bolt?) of
the starter motor please. Is it an allen head bolt and you have to
juggle an allen key up behind the starter motor from under the van or
is it accessible from the engine bay after removing things like the air
filter assembly etc? Or is this all wrong? Special tools needed?

Any help appreciated. TIA. Cheers

Ken
6
--- In Syncro_T3_Australia@yahoogroups.com, "Ken" <unclekenz@...> wrote:
>
> Gday all,
> Can anyone tell me how to tackle removing the rear fastener (bolt?)
of
> the starter motor please. Is it an allen head bolt and you have to
> juggle an allen key up behind the starter motor from under the van or
> is it accessible from the engine bay after removing things like the
air
> filter assembly etc? Or is this all wrong? Special tools needed?
>
> Any help appreciated. TIA. Cheers
>
> Ken
>


Hi Ken,

what ´kind of engine? A 2.1 or 1,9 waterboxer?
You have to unscrew the screws from the front gearbox-fastener and then
drop the gear some inches, that you can reach the starter!

Nevertheless you have to remove the air-filter and all other thins to
reach the upper screw where the starter is fixed...

No special tools needed!

Hope this might help you?
7
Gday Dirk,

Thanks for that. Yes it's a standard 2.1 WBX.

From what I've read in my VAG workshop manual and Bentleys, both fail to
describe a number of steps involved with the removal of the starter
motor. Are they expecting assumed knowledge for this? I'm perplexed as
to why they cover some but not all of the procedures to carry out this
task.

I'd be interested to know if someone out there has typed up a "Step by
Step Procedure for the Compleat Idiot" for the removal of the Syncro
starter motor. By way of example, John Muir's publication by that name
for Beetle and Kombi air-cooled's is a godsend ... a grand shame he
passed away.

Any clues as to the existence of such a typed up procedure please
anyone? TIA. Cheers.

Ken






--- In Syncro_T3_Australia@yahoogroups.com, "syncro_experts" <dirk@...>
wrote:
>
> --- In Syncro_T3_Australia@yahoogroups.com, "Ken" unclekenz@ wrote:
> >
> > Gday all,
> > Can anyone tell me how to tackle removing the rear fastener (bolt?)
> of
> > the starter motor please. Is it an allen head bolt and you have to
> > juggle an allen key up behind the starter motor from under the van
or
> > is it accessible from the engine bay after removing things like the
> air
> > filter assembly etc? Or is this all wrong? Special tools needed?
> >
> > Any help appreciated. TIA. Cheers
> >
> > Ken
> >
>
>
> Hi Ken,
>
> what ´kind of engine? A 2.1 or 1,9 waterboxer?
> You have to unscrew the screws from the front gearbox-fastener and
then
> drop the gear some inches, that you can reach the starter!
>
> Nevertheless you have to remove the air-filter and all other thins to
> reach the upper screw where the starter is fixed...
>
> No special tools needed!
>
> Hope this might help you?
>
8
Have you looked at page 27.13a and 27.13b of the Bentley?

It gives a step by step procedure.



> Ken <unclekenz@yahoo.com> wrote:
>
>
> Gday Dirk,
>
> Thanks for that. Yes it's a standard 2.1 WBX.
>
> From what I've read in my VAG workshop manual and Bentleys, both fail to
> describe a number of steps involved with the removal of the starter
> motor. Are they expecting assumed knowledge for this? I'm perplexed as
> to why they cover some but not all of the procedures to carry out this
> task.
>
> I'd be interested to know if someone out there has typed up a "Step by
> Step Procedure for the Compleat Idiot" for the removal of the Syncro
> starter motor. By way of example, John Muir's publication by that name
> for Beetle and Kombi air-cooled's is a godsend ... a grand shame he
> passed away.
>
> Any clues as to the existence of such a typed up procedure please
> anyone? TIA. Cheers.
>
> Ken
>
>
>
>
>
>
> --- In Syncro_T3_Australia@yahoogroups.com, "syncro_experts" <dirk@...>
> wrote:
> >
> > --- In Syncro_T3_Australia@yahoogroups.com, "Ken" unclekenz@ wrote:
> > >
> > > Gday all,
> > > Can anyone tell me how to tackle removing the rear fastener (bolt?)
> > of
> > > the starter motor please. Is it an allen head bolt and you have to
> > > juggle an allen key up behind the starter motor from under the van
> or
> > > is it accessible from the engine bay after removing things like the
> > air
> > > filter assembly etc? Or is this all wrong? Special tools needed?
> > >
> > > Any help appreciated. TIA. Cheers
> > >
> > > Ken
> > >
> >
> >
> > Hi Ken,
> >
> > what �kind of engine? A 2.1 or 1,9 waterboxer?
> > You have to unscrew the screws from the front gearbox-fastener and
> then
> > drop the gear some inches, that you can reach the starter!
> >
> > Nevertheless you have to remove the air-filter and all other thins to
> > reach the upper screw where the starter is fixed...
> >
> > No special tools needed!
> >
> > Hope this might help you?
> >
9
Gday Phil,

That's what I've been looking at all along and am still stumped, hence
the pleas for help.

The first part refers to removal of the top fixing bolt of the starter
motor. I can't even see the top bolt, let alone remove it. That's why I
asked for clues about where I need to go to access it to remove it.

Others members have said something about getting the top bolt out from
the engine bay. Not sure about this and Bentleys doesn't say, so I was
wanting more info and confirmation if it is the case.

Other members have said the transmission needs to be lowered to get the
starter motor out. Not mentioned in Bentleys. True?

At the moment I'm also unclear on swinging to one side the coolant
hoses. I'm thinking that's not possible, rather, the hoses need to be
removed to get working clearance. I'll take yet another look to try and
resolve this point. I'm not quite ready yet to concurrantly address the
issue of draining/refilling the coolant system.

So Phil, I take it you've removed the starter motor at some stage. Then
you may be in a position to clarify for me some of these queries ......
thanks Phil. Cheers

Ken



--- In Syncro_T3_Australia@yahoogroups.com, plander@... wrote:
>
> Have you looked at page 27.13a and 27.13b of the Bentley?
>
> It gives a step by step procedure.
>
>
>
> > Ken unclekenz@... wrote:
> >
> >
> > Gday Dirk,
> >
> > Thanks for that. Yes it's a standard 2.1 WBX.
> >
> > From what I've read in my VAG workshop manual and Bentleys, both
fail to
> > describe a number of steps involved with the removal of the starter
> > motor. Are they expecting assumed knowledge for this? I'm perplexed
as
> > to why they cover some but not all of the procedures to carry out
this
> > task.
> >
> > I'd be interested to know if someone out there has typed up a "Step
by
> > Step Procedure for the Compleat Idiot" for the removal of the Syncro
> > starter motor. By way of example, John Muir's publication by that
name
> > for Beetle and Kombi air-cooled's is a godsend ... a grand shame he
> > passed away.
> >
> > Any clues as to the existence of such a typed up procedure please
> > anyone? TIA. Cheers.
> >
> > Ken
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > --- In Syncro_T3_Australia@yahoogroups.com, "syncro_experts" dirk@
> > wrote:
> > >
> > > --- In Syncro_T3_Australia@yahoogroups.com, "Ken" unclekenz@
wrote:
> > > >
> > > > Gday all,
> > > > Can anyone tell me how to tackle removing the rear fastener
(bolt?)
> > > of
> > > > the starter motor please. Is it an allen head bolt and you have
to
> > > > juggle an allen key up behind the starter motor from under the
van
> > or
> > > > is it accessible from the engine bay after removing things like
the
> > > air
> > > > filter assembly etc? Or is this all wrong? Special tools needed?
> > > >
> > > > Any help appreciated. TIA. Cheers
> > > >
> > > > Ken
> > > >
> > >
> > >
> > > Hi Ken,
> > >
> > > what ´kind of engine? A 2.1 or 1,9 waterboxer?
> > > You have to unscrew the screws from the front gearbox-fastener and
> > then
> > > drop the gear some inches, that you can reach the starter!
> > >
> > > Nevertheless you have to remove the air-filter and all other thins
to
> > > reach the upper screw where the starter is fixed...
> > >
> > > No special tools needed!
> > >
> > > Hope this might help you?
> > >
>
10
No I haven't removed a starter before on a syncro, but it should be the same as any Kombi/Beetle.
The top bolt is probably the same one that bolts the engine to the gearbox.
It will be a 17mm head,



> Ken <unclekenz@yahoo.com> wrote:
>
>
> Gday Phil,
>
> That's what I've been looking at all along and am still stumped, hence
> the pleas for help.
>
> The first part refers to removal of the top fixing bolt of the starter
> motor. I can't even see the top bolt, let alone remove it. That's why I
> asked for clues about where I need to go to access it to remove it.
>
> Others members have said something about getting the top bolt out from
> the engine bay. Not sure about this and Bentleys doesn't say, so I was
> wanting more info and confirmation if it is the case.
>
> Other members have said the transmission needs to be lowered to get the
> starter motor out. Not mentioned in Bentleys. True?
>
> At the moment I'm also unclear on swinging to one side the coolant
> hoses. I'm thinking that's not possible, rather, the hoses need to be
> removed to get working clearance. I'll take yet another look to try and
> resolve this point. I'm not quite ready yet to concurrantly address the
> issue of draining/refilling the coolant system.
>
> So Phil, I take it you've removed the starter motor at some stage. Then
> you may be in a position to clarify for me some of these queries ......
> thanks Phil. Cheers
>
> Ken
>
>
>
> --- In Syncro_T3_Australia@yahoogroups.com, plander@... wrote:
> >
> > Have you looked at page 27.13a and 27.13b of the Bentley?
> >
> > It gives a step by step procedure.
> >
> >
> >
> > > Ken unclekenz@... wrote:
> > >
> > >
> > > Gday Dirk,
> > >
> > > Thanks for that. Yes it's a standard 2.1 WBX.
> > >
> > > From what I've read in my VAG workshop manual and Bentleys, both
> fail to
> > > describe a number of steps involved with the removal of the starter
> > > motor. Are they expecting assumed knowledge for this? I'm perplexed
> as
> > > to why they cover some but not all of the procedures to carry out
> this
> > > task.
> > >
> > > I'd be interested to know if someone out there has typed up a "Step
> by
> > > Step Procedure for the Compleat Idiot" for the removal of the Syncro
> > > starter motor. By way of example, John Muir's publication by that
> name
> > > for Beetle and Kombi air-cooled's is a godsend ... a grand shame he
> > > passed away.
> > >
> > > Any clues as to the existence of such a typed up procedure please
> > > anyone? TIA. Cheers.
> > >
> > > Ken
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > --- In Syncro_T3_Australia@yahoogroups.com, "syncro_experts" dirk@
> > > wrote:
> > > >
> > > > --- In Syncro_T3_Australia@yahoogroups.com, "Ken" unclekenz@
> wrote:
> > > > >
> > > > > Gday all,
> > > > > Can anyone tell me how to tackle removing the rear fastener
> (bolt?)
> > > > of
> > > > > the starter motor please. Is it an allen head bolt and you have
> to
> > > > > juggle an allen key up behind the starter motor from under the
> van
> > > or
> > > > > is it accessible from the engine bay after removing things like
> the
> > > > air
> > > > > filter assembly etc? Or is this all wrong? Special tools needed?
> > > > >
> > > > > Any help appreciated. TIA. Cheers
> > > > >
> > > > > Ken
> > > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > Hi Ken,
> > > >
> > > > what �kind of engine? A 2.1 or 1,9 waterboxer?
> > > > You have to unscrew the screws from the front gearbox-fastener and
> > > then
> > > > drop the gear some inches, that you can reach the starter!
> > > >
> > > > Nevertheless you have to remove the air-filter and all other thins
> to
> > > > reach the upper screw where the starter is fixed...
> > > >
> > > > No special tools needed!
> > > >
> > > > Hope this might help you?
> > > >
> >
11
Ken

SOme things are not meant to be easy. You might be able to work on
the starter without lowering the tranny & I could imagine that with
fancy multi-axial ring spanners (at $35 each) and long thin fingers
you might get there.
Personally I would allocate a few days & give myself the room to do
the job easily by lowering the tranny first. Sure it is a lot more
work however in the long run...

I have learnt first hand that the Syncro does not give up easily.

Regards

PK



--- In Syncro_T3_Australia@yahoogroups.com, plander@... wrote:
>
> No I haven't removed a starter before on a syncro, but it should
be the same as any Kombi/Beetle.
> The top bolt is probably the same one that bolts the engine to the
gearbox.
> It will be a 17mm head,
>
>
>
> > Ken <unclekenz@...> wrote:
> >
> >
> > Gday Phil,
> >
> > That's what I've been looking at all along and am still stumped,
hence
> > the pleas for help.
> >
> > The first part refers to removal of the top fixing bolt of the
starter
> > motor. I can't even see the top bolt, let alone remove it.
That's why I
> > asked for clues about where I need to go to access it to remove
it.
> >
> > Others members have said something about getting the top bolt
out from
> > the engine bay. Not sure about this and Bentleys doesn't say, so
I was
> > wanting more info and confirmation if it is the case.
> >
> > Other members have said the transmission needs to be lowered to
get the
> > starter motor out. Not mentioned in Bentleys. True?
> >
> > At the moment I'm also unclear on swinging to one side the
coolant
> > hoses. I'm thinking that's not possible, rather, the hoses need
to be
> > removed to get working clearance. I'll take yet another look to
try and
> > resolve this point. I'm not quite ready yet to concurrantly
address the
> > issue of draining/refilling the coolant system.
> >
> > So Phil, I take it you've removed the starter motor at some
stage. Then
> > you may be in a position to clarify for me some of these
queries ......
> > thanks Phil. Cheers
> >
> > Ken
> >
> >
> >
> > --- In Syncro_T3_Australia@yahoogroups.com, plander@ wrote:
> > >
> > > Have you looked at page 27.13a and 27.13b of the Bentley?
> > >
> > > It gives a step by step procedure.
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > > Ken unclekenz@ wrote:
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > Gday Dirk,
> > > >
> > > > Thanks for that. Yes it's a standard 2.1 WBX.
> > > >
> > > > From what I've read in my VAG workshop manual and Bentleys,
both
> > fail to
> > > > describe a number of steps involved with the removal of the
starter
> > > > motor. Are they expecting assumed knowledge for this? I'm
perplexed
> > as
> > > > to why they cover some but not all of the procedures to
carry out
> > this
> > > > task.
> > > >
> > > > I'd be interested to know if someone out there has typed up
a "Step
> > by
> > > > Step Procedure for the Compleat Idiot" for the removal of
the Syncro
> > > > starter motor. By way of example, John Muir's publication by
that
> > name
> > > > for Beetle and Kombi air-cooled's is a godsend ... a grand
shame he
> > > > passed away.
> > > >
> > > > Any clues as to the existence of such a typed up procedure
please
> > > > anyone? TIA. Cheers.
> > > >
> > > > Ken
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > --- In Syncro_T3_Australia@yahoogroups.com, "syncro_experts"
dirk@
> > > > wrote:
> > > > >
> > > > > --- In Syncro_T3_Australia@yahoogroups.com, "Ken"
unclekenz@
> > wrote:
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Gday all,
> > > > > > Can anyone tell me how to tackle removing the rear
fastener
> > (bolt?)
> > > > > of
> > > > > > the starter motor please. Is it an allen head bolt and
you have
> > to
> > > > > > juggle an allen key up behind the starter motor from
under the
> > van
> > > > or
> > > > > > is it accessible from the engine bay after removing
things like
> > the
> > > > > air
> > > > > > filter assembly etc? Or is this all wrong? Special tools
needed?
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Any help appreciated. TIA. Cheers
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Ken
> > > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > Hi Ken,
> > > > >
> > > > > what ´kind of engine? A 2.1 or 1,9 waterboxer?
> > > > > You have to unscrew the screws from the front gearbox-
fastener and
> > > > then
> > > > > drop the gear some inches, that you can reach the starter!
> > > > >
> > > > > Nevertheless you have to remove the air-filter and all
other thins
> > to
> > > > > reach the upper screw where the starter is fixed...
> > > > >
> > > > > No special tools needed!
> > > > >
> > > > > Hope this might help you?
> > > > >
> > >
>
12
Peter ... today the auto electrician confirmed the brushes are sticking,
he did the tap tap tap on the starter motor and then voila! ... it
started. So at least I know it's not a crook switch, or bad
connection/wiring. Bite the bullet time? Cheers

Ken


--- In Syncro_T3_Australia@yahoogroups.com, "Peter" <kestel.p@...>
wrote:
>
> Ken
>
> SOme things are not meant to be easy. You might be able to work on
> the starter without lowering the tranny & I could imagine that with
> fancy multi-axial ring spanners (at $35 each) and long thin fingers
> you might get there.
> Personally I would allocate a few days & give myself the room to do
> the job easily by lowering the tranny first. Sure it is a lot more
> work however in the long run...
>
> I have learnt first hand that the Syncro does not give up easily.
>
> Regards
>
> PK
>
>
>
> --- In Syncro_T3_Australia@yahoogroups.com, plander@ wrote:
> >
> > No I haven't removed a starter before on a syncro, but it should
> be the same as any Kombi/Beetle.
> > The top bolt is probably the same one that bolts the engine to the
> gearbox.
> > It will be a 17mm head,
> >
> >
> >
> > > Ken unclekenz@ wrote:
> > >
> > >
> > > Gday Phil,
> > >
> > > That's what I've been looking at all along and am still stumped,
> hence
> > > the pleas for help.
> > >
> > > The first part refers to removal of the top fixing bolt of the
> starter
> > > motor. I can't even see the top bolt, let alone remove it.
> That's why I
> > > asked for clues about where I need to go to access it to remove
> it.
> > >
> > > Others members have said something about getting the top bolt
> out from
> > > the engine bay. Not sure about this and Bentleys doesn't say, so
> I was
> > > wanting more info and confirmation if it is the case.
> > >
> > > Other members have said the transmission needs to be lowered to
> get the
> > > starter motor out. Not mentioned in Bentleys. True?
> > >
> > > At the moment I'm also unclear on swinging to one side the
> coolant
> > > hoses. I'm thinking that's not possible, rather, the hoses need
> to be
> > > removed to get working clearance. I'll take yet another look to
> try and
> > > resolve this point. I'm not quite ready yet to concurrantly
> address the
> > > issue of draining/refilling the coolant system.
> > >
> > > So Phil, I take it you've removed the starter motor at some
> stage. Then
> > > you may be in a position to clarify for me some of these
> queries ......
> > > thanks Phil. Cheers
> > >
> > > Ken
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > --- In Syncro_T3_Australia@yahoogroups.com, plander@ wrote:
> > > >
> > > > Have you looked at page 27.13a and 27.13b of the Bentley?
> > > >
> > > > It gives a step by step procedure.
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > > Ken unclekenz@ wrote:
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > Gday Dirk,
> > > > >
> > > > > Thanks for that. Yes it's a standard 2.1 WBX.
> > > > >
> > > > > From what I've read in my VAG workshop manual and Bentleys,
> both
> > > fail to
> > > > > describe a number of steps involved with the removal of the
> starter
> > > > > motor. Are they expecting assumed knowledge for this? I'm
> perplexed
> > > as
> > > > > to why they cover some but not all of the procedures to
> carry out
> > > this
> > > > > task.
> > > > >
> > > > > I'd be interested to know if someone out there has typed up
> a "Step
> > > by
> > > > > Step Procedure for the Compleat Idiot" for the removal of
> the Syncro
> > > > > starter motor. By way of example, John Muir's publication by
> that
> > > name
> > > > > for Beetle and Kombi air-cooled's is a godsend ... a grand
> shame he
> > > > > passed away.
> > > > >
> > > > > Any clues as to the existence of such a typed up procedure
> please
> > > > > anyone? TIA. Cheers.
> > > > >
> > > > > Ken
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > --- In Syncro_T3_Australia@yahoogroups.com, "syncro_experts"
> dirk@
> > > > > wrote:
> > > > > >
> > > > > > --- In Syncro_T3_Australia@yahoogroups.com, "Ken"
> unclekenz@
> > > wrote:
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > Gday all,
> > > > > > > Can anyone tell me how to tackle removing the rear
> fastener
> > > (bolt?)
> > > > > > of
> > > > > > > the starter motor please. Is it an allen head bolt and
> you have
> > > to
> > > > > > > juggle an allen key up behind the starter motor from
> under the
> > > van
> > > > > or
> > > > > > > is it accessible from the engine bay after removing
> things like
> > > the
> > > > > > air
> > > > > > > filter assembly etc? Or is this all wrong? Special tools
> needed?
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > Any help appreciated. TIA. Cheers
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > Ken
> > > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Hi Ken,
> > > > > >
> > > > > > what ´kind of engine? A 2.1 or 1,9 waterboxer?
> > > > > > You have to unscrew the screws from the front gearbox-
> fastener and
> > > > > then
> > > > > > drop the gear some inches, that you can reach the starter!
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Nevertheless you have to remove the air-filter and all
> other thins
> > > to
> > > > > > reach the upper screw where the starter is fixed...
> > > > > >
> > > > > > No special tools needed!
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Hope this might help you?
> > > > > >
> > > >
> >
>
13
Peter ... today the auto electrician confirmed the brushes are sticking,
he did the tap tap tap on the starter motor and then voila! ... it
started. So at least I know it's not a crook switch, or bad
connection/wiring. Bite the bullet time? Cheers

Ken


--- In Syncro_T3_Australia@yahoogroups.com, "Peter" <kestel.p@...>
wrote:
>
> Ken
>
> SOme things are not meant to be easy. You might be able to work on
> the starter without lowering the tranny & I could imagine that with
> fancy multi-axial ring spanners (at $35 each) and long thin fingers
> you might get there.
> Personally I would allocate a few days & give myself the room to do
> the job easily by lowering the tranny first. Sure it is a lot more
> work however in the long run...
>
> I have learnt first hand that the Syncro does not give up easily.
>
> Regards
>
> PK
>
>
>
> --- In Syncro_T3_Australia@yahoogroups.com, plander@ wrote:
> >
> > No I haven't removed a starter before on a syncro, but it should
> be the same as any Kombi/Beetle.
> > The top bolt is probably the same one that bolts the engine to the
> gearbox.
> > It will be a 17mm head,
> >
> >
> >
> > > Ken unclekenz@ wrote:
> > >
> > >
> > > Gday Phil,
> > >
> > > That's what I've been looking at all along and am still stumped,
> hence
> > > the pleas for help.
> > >
> > > The first part refers to removal of the top fixing bolt of the
> starter
> > > motor. I can't even see the top bolt, let alone remove it.
> That's why I
> > > asked for clues about where I need to go to access it to remove
> it.
> > >
> > > Others members have said something about getting the top bolt
> out from
> > > the engine bay. Not sure about this and Bentleys doesn't say, so
> I was
> > > wanting more info and confirmation if it is the case.
> > >
> > > Other members have said the transmission needs to be lowered to
> get the
> > > starter motor out. Not mentioned in Bentleys. True?
> > >
> > > At the moment I'm also unclear on swinging to one side the
> coolant
> > > hoses. I'm thinking that's not possible, rather, the hoses need
> to be
> > > removed to get working clearance. I'll take yet another look to
> try and
> > > resolve this point. I'm not quite ready yet to concurrantly
> address the
> > > issue of draining/refilling the coolant system.
> > >
> > > So Phil, I take it you've removed the starter motor at some
> stage. Then
> > > you may be in a position to clarify for me some of these
> queries ......
> > > thanks Phil. Cheers
> > >
> > > Ken
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > --- In Syncro_T3_Australia@yahoogroups.com, plander@ wrote:
> > > >
> > > > Have you looked at page 27.13a and 27.13b of the Bentley?
> > > >
> > > > It gives a step by step procedure.
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > > Ken unclekenz@ wrote:
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > Gday Dirk,
> > > > >
> > > > > Thanks for that. Yes it's a standard 2.1 WBX.
> > > > >
> > > > > From what I've read in my VAG workshop manual and Bentleys,
> both
> > > fail to
> > > > > describe a number of steps involved with the removal of the
> starter
> > > > > motor. Are they expecting assumed knowledge for this? I'm
> perplexed
> > > as
> > > > > to why they cover some but not all of the procedures to
> carry out
> > > this
> > > > > task.
> > > > >
> > > > > I'd be interested to know if someone out there has typed up
> a "Step
> > > by
> > > > > Step Procedure for the Compleat Idiot" for the removal of
> the Syncro
> > > > > starter motor. By way of example, John Muir's publication by
> that
> > > name
> > > > > for Beetle and Kombi air-cooled's is a godsend ... a grand
> shame he
> > > > > passed away.
> > > > >
> > > > > Any clues as to the existence of such a typed up procedure
> please
> > > > > anyone? TIA. Cheers.
> > > > >
> > > > > Ken
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > --- In Syncro_T3_Australia@yahoogroups.com, "syncro_experts"
> dirk@
> > > > > wrote:
> > > > > >
> > > > > > --- In Syncro_T3_Australia@yahoogroups.com, "Ken"
> unclekenz@
> > > wrote:
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > Gday all,
> > > > > > > Can anyone tell me how to tackle removing the rear
> fastener
> > > (bolt?)
> > > > > > of
> > > > > > > the starter motor please. Is it an allen head bolt and
> you have
> > > to
> > > > > > > juggle an allen key up behind the starter motor from
> under the
> > > van
> > > > > or
> > > > > > > is it accessible from the engine bay after removing
> things like
> > > the
> > > > > > air
> > > > > > > filter assembly etc? Or is this all wrong? Special tools
> needed?
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > Any help appreciated. TIA. Cheers
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > Ken
> > > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Hi Ken,
> > > > > >
> > > > > > what ´kind of engine? A 2.1 or 1,9 waterboxer?
> > > > > > You have to unscrew the screws from the front gearbox-
> fastener and
> > > > > then
> > > > > > drop the gear some inches, that you can reach the starter!
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Nevertheless you have to remove the air-filter and all
> other thins
> > > to
> > > > > > reach the upper screw where the starter is fixed...
> > > > > >
> > > > > > No special tools needed!
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Hope this might help you?
> > > > > >
> > > >
> >
>
14
Well as Bill Clinton once said (erm, he lied) .... "READ MY LIPS!" I
can now tell you all it's official ......

..... to remove a syncro starter motor, there is NO need to lower the
transmission NOR remove the axle shaft.

Tomorrow I'm taking it to the auto electrician for a good seeing to.
Cheers.

Ken F.Q.S.S.M.R.




--- In Syncro_T3_Australia@yahoogroups.com, "Ken" <unclekenz@...> wrote:
>
>
> Peter ... today the auto electrician confirmed the brushes are
sticking,
> he did the tap tap tap on the starter motor and then voila! ... it
> started. So at least I know it's not a crook switch, or bad
> connection/wiring. Bite the bullet time? Cheers
>
> Ken
>
>
> --- In Syncro_T3_Australia@yahoogroups.com, "Peter" kestel.p@
> wrote:
> >
> > Ken
> >
> > SOme things are not meant to be easy. You might be able to work on
> > the starter without lowering the tranny & I could imagine that with
> > fancy multi-axial ring spanners (at $35 each) and long thin fingers
> > you might get there.
> > Personally I would allocate a few days & give myself the room to do
> > the job easily by lowering the tranny first. Sure it is a lot more
> > work however in the long run...
> >
> > I have learnt first hand that the Syncro does not give up easily.
> >
> > Regards
> >
> > PK
> >
> >
> >
> > --- In Syncro_T3_Australia@yahoogroups.com, plander@ wrote:
> > >
> > > No I haven't removed a starter before on a syncro, but it should
> > be the same as any Kombi/Beetle.
> > > The top bolt is probably the same one that bolts the engine to the
> > gearbox.
> > > It will be a 17mm head,
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > > Ken unclekenz@ wrote:
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > Gday Phil,
> > > >
> > > > That's what I've been looking at all along and am still stumped,
> > hence
> > > > the pleas for help.
> > > >
> > > > The first part refers to removal of the top fixing bolt of the
> > starter
> > > > motor. I can't even see the top bolt, let alone remove it.
> > That's why I
> > > > asked for clues about where I need to go to access it to remove
> > it.
> > > >
> > > > Others members have said something about getting the top bolt
> > out from
> > > > the engine bay. Not sure about this and Bentleys doesn't say, so
> > I was
> > > > wanting more info and confirmation if it is the case.
> > > >
> > > > Other members have said the transmission needs to be lowered to
> > get the
> > > > starter motor out. Not mentioned in Bentleys. True?
> > > >
> > > > At the moment I'm also unclear on swinging to one side the
> > coolant
> > > > hoses. I'm thinking that's not possible, rather, the hoses need
> > to be
> > > > removed to get working clearance. I'll take yet another look to
> > try and
> > > > resolve this point. I'm not quite ready yet to concurrantly
> > address the
> > > > issue of draining/refilling the coolant system.
> > > >
> > > > So Phil, I take it you've removed the starter motor at some
> > stage. Then
> > > > you may be in a position to clarify for me some of these
> > queries ......
> > > > thanks Phil. Cheers
> > > >
> > > > Ken
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > --- In Syncro_T3_Australia@yahoogroups.com, plander@ wrote:
> > > > >
> > > > > Have you looked at page 27.13a and 27.13b of the Bentley?
> > > > >
> > > > > It gives a step by step procedure.
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > > Ken unclekenz@ wrote:
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Gday Dirk,
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Thanks for that. Yes it's a standard 2.1 WBX.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > From what I've read in my VAG workshop manual and Bentleys,
> > both
> > > > fail to
> > > > > > describe a number of steps involved with the removal of the
> > starter
> > > > > > motor. Are they expecting assumed knowledge for this? I'm
> > perplexed
> > > > as
> > > > > > to why they cover some but not all of the procedures to
> > carry out
> > > > this
> > > > > > task.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > I'd be interested to know if someone out there has typed up
> > a "Step
> > > > by
> > > > > > Step Procedure for the Compleat Idiot" for the removal of
> > the Syncro
> > > > > > starter motor. By way of example, John Muir's publication by
> > that
> > > > name
> > > > > > for Beetle and Kombi air-cooled's is a godsend ... a grand
> > shame he
> > > > > > passed away.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Any clues as to the existence of such a typed up procedure
> > please
> > > > > > anyone? TIA. Cheers.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Ken
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > > --- In Syncro_T3_Australia@yahoogroups.com, "syncro_experts"
> > dirk@
> > > > > > wrote:
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > --- In Syncro_T3_Australia@yahoogroups.com, "Ken"
> > unclekenz@
> > > > wrote:
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > Gday all,
> > > > > > > > Can anyone tell me how to tackle removing the rear
> > fastener
> > > > (bolt?)
> > > > > > > of
> > > > > > > > the starter motor please. Is it an allen head bolt and
> > you have
> > > > to
> > > > > > > > juggle an allen key up behind the starter motor from
> > under the
> > > > van
> > > > > > or
> > > > > > > > is it accessible from the engine bay after removing
> > things like
> > > > the
> > > > > > > air
> > > > > > > > filter assembly etc? Or is this all wrong? Special tools
> > needed?
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > Any help appreciated. TIA. Cheers
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > Ken
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > Hi Ken,
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > what ´kind of engine? A 2.1 or 1,9 waterboxer?
> > > > > > > You have to unscrew the screws from the front gearbox-
> > fastener and
> > > > > > then
> > > > > > > drop the gear some inches, that you can reach the starter!
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > Nevertheless you have to remove the air-filter and all
> > other thins
> > > > to
> > > > > > > reach the upper screw where the starter is fixed...
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > No special tools needed!
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > Hope this might help you?
> > > > > > >
> > > > >
> > >
> >
>
15
Just to set the record straight here, the quote "read my lips" cannot
be attributed to Bill Clinton. In fact it was the first President
Bush's campaign promise not to raise taxes that is the origin of this
quote. You are right that he lied as he found himself forced to raise
taxes to help pay for the HUGE deficits run up by Ronald reagan.
16
Yes I wondered if I'd get picked up on this straight after I posted it.
Nice to put history to right.

Heh and I believe they STILL have HUGE deficits!


--- In Syncro_T3_Australia@yahoogroups.com, Alexander Sfakianos
<witoke@...> wrote:
>
> Just to set the record straight here, the quote "read my lips" cannot
> be attributed to Bill Clinton. In fact it was the first President
> Bush's campaign promise not to raise taxes that is the origin of this
> quote. You are right that he lied as he found himself forced to raise
> taxes to help pay for the HUGE deficits run up by Ronald reagan.
>