Radiator Group Buy - Expressions of interest

Ken,

I heard a tip that the best way is to remove the thermostat cover and the thermostat and then run a hose through until it is clear. If the thermostat stays in it blocks the flow of the coolant unless it it stinking hot (not a good idea to do this with a stinking hot motor).

Also leave heaters on full.

Then drain the thing which can take a while with around 17 Litres in there.

Cheers,

Skot

On 30/11/2015 2:37 PM, unclekenz unclekenz@hotmail.com [Syncro_T3_Australia] wrote:

Hi Richard and all,

One for the musers.
GDraining old coolant and/or flush-out water prior to a complete new coolant mix refill, just wondering at what point DIYers stop the draining procedure and become satisfied the cooling system is in fact now FULLY drained. Or is near enough, good enough?
Cheers.
Ken



-------- Original message --------
From: "cathrich1@yahoo.com.au [Syncro_T3_Australia]" <Syncro_T3_Australia@yahoogroups.com>
Date: 29/11/2015 11:56 PM (GMT+10:00)
To: Syncro_T3_Australia@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [Syncro_T3_Australia] Re: Radiator Group Buy - Expressions of interest


Looks like I should have read ahead before replying to older posts! For some reason, photo's don't see mto be coming through for me, so unclear on some of the other posts.


With regards to a simple one person bleed, what I did with mine was straight forward, it was a drain system through the bolts in the motor to remove as much coolant as possible to replace the radiator, then flush, drain and re-fill again. When re-filling,I filled the system as much as possible through the header tank then re-fit cap. Raise the front of the bus, then continued filling the radiator through the bleed screw.


Ran the engine to get to temperature etc, checked multiple times and had hardly any air come out the bleed screw this way.


Next time I do this, I will get one of the Go-westy pumps


Richard


Hi Scott,
Yeah Bentley/Appendix/page 27 states 17.5 litres capacity and mix variable from 40-60% to 60-40% depending on climate/load etc.

Thank you, that R&R cover/thermostat/hose flush procedure makes good sense, maybe add that to the checklist of todo's for coolant system clean-out. Be extra good if trying to dislodge/flush out crud that can be lying about in coolant system hoses/pipes.

I'm still yet to be swayed from using my previously described "workaround" method for a complete FINAL flush/refill. Which is to employ the water pump, thermostat open, to evacuate the entire 17.5 litres system capacity using say 20 litres of demineralised water. Then drain say more than half of it followed by its replacement with neat coolant + water top-up to achieve an all new 50-50 coolant mix. Still any holes in that method, I'd appreciate further comment so as to assist others as well following this thread.
Cheers.
Ken












-------- Original message --------
From: "Scott Pitcher spbconsulting@bigpond.com [Syncro_T3_Australia]" <Syncro_T3_Australia@yahoogroups.com>
Date: 30/11/2015 2:54 PM (GMT+10:00)
To: Syncro_T3_Australia@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [Syncro_T3_Australia] Re: Radiator Group Buy - Expressions of interest


 

Ken,

I heard a tip that the best way is to remove the thermostat cover and the thermostat and then run a hose through until it is clear. If the thermostat stays in it blocks the flow of the coolant unless it it stinking hot (not a good idea to do this with a stinking hot motor).

Also leave heaters on full.

Then drain the thing which can take a while with around 17 Litres in there.

Cheers,

Skot

On 30/11/2015 2:37 PM, unclekenz unclekenz@hotmail.com [Syncro_T3_Australia] wrote:
 

Hi Richard and all,

One for the musers.
GDraining old coolant and/or flush-out water prior to a complete new coolant mix refill, just wondering at what point DIYers stop the draining procedure and become satisfied the cooling system is in fact now FULLY drained. Or is near enough, good enough?
Cheers.
Ken



-------- Original message --------
From: "cathrich1@yahoo.com.au [Syncro_T3_Australia]" <Syncro_T3_Australia@yahoogroups.com>
Date: 29/11/2015 11:56 PM (GMT+10:00)
To: Syncro_T3_Australia@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [Syncro_T3_Australia] Re: Radiator Group Buy - Expressions of interest


 

Looks like I should have read ahead before replying to older posts! For some reason, photo's don't see mto be coming through for me, so unclear on some of the other posts.


With regards to a simple one person bleed, what I did with mine was straight forward, it was a drain system through the bolts in the motor to remove as much coolant as possible to replace the radiator, then flush, drain and re-fill again. When re-filling,I filled the system as much as possible through the header tank then re-fit cap. Raise the front of the bus, then continued filling the radiator through the bleed screw.


Ran the engine to get to temperature etc, checked multiple times and had hardly any air come out the bleed screw this way.


Next time I do this, I will get one of the Go-westy pumps


Richard


Ken and all
 
As Ken mentioned, Scott and I bought the thicker 45mm Behr Syncro radiators from Wyong Radiator Repairs in 2012.
I have had no problem with mine with temp needle sitting about 2 mm to left of the red light.
 
I have just rung their workshop,they are able to supply 6 of o/n  068 121  253 E which is what Ken has quoted from my order back in 2012. Can't find my original invoice.
Their supplier, Newcastle, had 12 of which there are 6 left, can get more to order.
 
The owner is a hands on mechanic who is prepared to have a look at my Syncro radiator in situ tomorrow and subject to thread  make up some sort of hose connection,push on or otherwise.
 
List price is $420 each,down to $400 each for 2 or more.I think that there is more room to move there with a bigger order.
 
They are Japanese made and have a slightly different cooling fin arrangement than ours. I remember this 45mm radiator being very much heavier than Just Campers 30mm unit.
 
Food for thought and a viable option.
 
Cheers  Graham Adams
 
 
 
 
 
 
----- Original Message -----
Sent: Monday, November 30, 2015 10:38 AM
Subject: [Syncro_T3_Australia] Radiator Group Buy - Expressions of interest

 





Hi Rowan,
Could you please check all the following, return the list with any differences you find.
Model number I think is stamped on the bottom. Syncro radiator should read "068 121 253 E"
Core thickness around 45-50mm.
Overall width (outside to outside) of plastic tanks around 648mm.
Overall height around 455mm.
Centre to centre of bottom support lugs around 642mm.
Top left is the bleeder location.
Towards bottom right (frontside) is the thermo/fan switch position
Please report back your findings or queries.
Thank you. Cheers.
Ken

-------- Original message --------
From: "Rowan Hardinge rowan.hardinge@yahoo.com [Syncro_T3_Australia]" <Syncro_T3_Australia@yahoogroups.com>
Date: 29/11/2015 12:17 PM (GMT+10:00)
To: Syncro_T3_Australia@yahoogroups.com,Syncro_T3_Australia@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [Syncro_T3_Australia] Radiator Group Buy - Expressions of interest


 
I have a spare radiator in the shed Im just not sure if it is a syncro one or not. If it is it can be used for prototyping..  How can I tell? 



 
Thanks Ken,
You've done a great job of clarifying the subject.
The photos were particularly helpful.
Peter


--Original Message Text---
From: Ken Garratt unclekenz@hotmail.com [Syncro_T3_Australia]
Date: Sat, 28 Nov 2015 16:29:11 +1100






Hi Roger,
One thing I have learnt about accidentally expelling G12+ coolant is that it is a very effective albeit expensive lawn killer!


I've always lusted after a refill/air-bleed procedure that can readily be CONTROLLED by a SOLE operator ideally in a relaxed state of mind, with the convenience to be stationed only at the expansion tank from the moment after I've opened the radiator bleeder until I'm finished filling bleeding and ready to shut the motor down. By comparison, in my opinion the Bentley coolant change/bleed procedure is a disaster for a SOLE operator and never fails to fill me with terror!


RE your suggestion: "I have always dreamed of having a bleed-valve on top of the radiator, with a flexible hose, so that you can save the coolant expelled during the bleeding process without making a mess."
So Roger, to perhaps extend your dream idea further ... I've often wondered how to attach (seal) and run a small flexible hose from the radiator bleeder back to the expansion bottle, so creating a complete coolant loop for the fill/bleed procedure. This would enable complete control of coolant being fed into the system and at the same time, monitor for the cessation of bled air from the loop return hose. So maybe utilising your bleed-valve idea would do it. And to make the SOLE operator job even easier, I now fit a home made attachment to the expansion tank that elevates the fill position to a convenient height that is at least above the radiator bleeder level, dependent upon jacking height of the front of the van or not. So when satisfied with filling bleeding, I can cut the 2000 rpm of the motor and not be concerned with coolant back-flushing out of the expansion tank, as it otherwise tries to do. Works for me even without the coolant loop hose, but I reckon even better setup with it. See the pics of the home made attachment.


The only issue for me perhaps against modifying the present radiator bleeder arrangement would be if modifying to a bleed/valve design, whether that would then prevent being able to manually bleed air trapped in the radiator by simply squirting coolant into the bleed hole till it's full. I find this method of occasional air-bleeding the radiator pretty handy.


Grist for the mill? Any other ideas/comments, please feel free to add to the discussion.


On another issue to do with G11 verses G12+ coolant for our vans.
Note: I have no opinion myself on this, just passing along for others to be aware of and/or comment.


I was told recently by my local mechanic that the semi-retired VW mechanic we both know told him that before the days of G12+, VW service personnel had a device or a sort of litmus test that could reveal the condition of G11 coolant in the system, the result would determine whether or not the coolant was due for replacement or not. Whereas this test was lost with introduction of G12+ formula. There may have been some other particular benefit as well, perhaps to do with original head studs V stainless steel alternatives, but I've since forgotten. In any event, it was the opinion of the semi-retired VW mechanic that we all should still be using G11 and not G12+ in our MV 2.1 water-cooled motors. In particular that G12+ was principally designed for later technology VW motors. I could perhaps seek greater clarity on this and any other matter if it was beneficial.


Cheers Roger. So far the count is seven members interested in the radiator. Lets keep it going ppl, the more the merrier!
Ken



-------- Original message --------
From: "Roger Bayley gullyraker53@gmail.com [Syncro_T3_Australia]" <Syncro_T3_Australia@yahoogroups.com>
Date: 27/11/2015 10:51 PM (GMT+10:00)
To: Syncro_T3_Australia@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [Syncro_T3_Australia] Re: Radiator replacement



Good idea Ken. I have always dreamed of having a bleed-valve on top of the radiator, with a flexible hose, so that you can save the coolant expelled during the bleeding process without making a mess.

Perhaps an all-aluminium radiator would be the go, to dispense with the troublesome plastic tanks and O ring seals.


Can we start a new thread to gauge the interest out there. I'm thinking that the more that we order, the cheaper they will be.


Roger B.





















Gday Graham,
The photos I put up in a previous post shows the cardboard carton the radiator came in. It was labelled made in South Africa. 
Anything you know re origin that has changed since you and Scott purchased?
Cheers.
Ken



-------- Original message --------
From: "'Graham Adams' g.adams2@bigpond.com [Syncro_T3_Australia]" <Syncro_T3_Australia@yahoogroups.com>
Date: 30/11/2015 5:14 PM (GMT+10:00)
To: Syncro_T3_Australia@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [Syncro_T3_Australia] Radiator Group Buy - Expressions of interest


 

Ken and all
 
As Ken mentioned, Scott and I bought the thicker 45mm Behr Syncro radiators from Wyong Radiator Repairs in 2012.
I have had no problem with mine with temp needle sitting about 2 mm to left of the red light.
 
I have just rung their workshop,they are able to supply 6 of o/n  068 121  253 E which is what Ken has quoted from my order back in 2012. Can't find my original invoice.
Their supplier, Newcastle, had 12 of which there are 6 left, can get more to order.
 
The owner is a hands on mechanic who is prepared to have a look at my Syncro radiator in situ tomorrow and subject to thread  make up some sort of hose connection,push on or otherwise.
 
List price is $420 each,down to $400 each for 2 or more.I think that there is more room to move there with a bigger order.
 
They are Japanese made and have a slightly different cooling fin arrangement than ours. I remember this 45mm radiator being very much heavier than Just Campers 30mm unit.
 
Food for thought and a viable option.
 
Cheers  Graham Adams
 
 
 
 
 
 
----- Original Message -----
Sent: Monday, November 30, 2015 10:38 AM
Subject: [Syncro_T3_Australia] Radiator Group Buy - Expressions of interest

 





Hi Rowan,
Could you please check all the following, return the list with any differences you find.
Model number I think is stamped on the bottom. Syncro radiator should read "068 121 253 E"
Core thickness around 45-50mm.
Overall width (outside to outside) of plastic tanks around 648mm.
Overall height around 455mm.
Centre to centre of bottom support lugs around 642mm.
Top left is the bleeder location.
Towards bottom right (frontside) is the thermo/fan switch position
Please report back your findings or queries.
Thank you. Cheers.
Ken

-------- Original message --------
From: "Rowan Hardinge rowan.hardinge@yahoo.com [Syncro_T3_Australia]" <Syncro_T3_Australia@yahoogroups.com>
Date: 29/11/2015 12:17 PM (GMT+10:00)
To: Syncro_T3_Australia@yahoogroups.com,Syncro_T3_Australia@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [Syncro_T3_Australia] Radiator Group Buy - Expressions of interest


 
I have a spare radiator in the shed Im just not sure if it is a syncro one or not. If it is it can be used for prototyping..  How can I tell? 



 
Thanks Ken,
You've done a great job of clarifying the subject.
The photos were particularly helpful.
Peter


--Original Message Text---
From: Ken Garratt unclekenz@hotmail.com [Syncro_T3_Australia]
Date: Sat, 28 Nov 2015 16:29:11 +1100






Hi Roger,
One thing I have learnt about accidentally expelling G12+ coolant is that it is a very effective albeit expensive lawn killer!


I've always lusted after a refill/air-bleed procedure that can readily be CONTROLLED by a SOLE operator ideally in a relaxed state of mind, with the convenience to be stationed only at the expansion tank from the moment after I've opened the radiator bleeder until I'm finished filling bleeding and ready to shut the motor down. By comparison, in my opinion the Bentley coolant change/bleed procedure is a disaster for a SOLE operator and never fails to fill me with terror!


RE your suggestion: "I have always dreamed of having a bleed-valve on top of the radiator, with a flexible hose, so that you can save the coolant expelled during the bleeding process without making a mess."
So Roger, to perhaps extend your dream idea further ... I've often wondered how to attach (seal) and run a small flexible hose from the radiator bleeder back to the expansion bottle, so creating a complete coolant loop for the fill/bleed procedure. This would enable complete control of coolant being fed into the system and at the same time, monitor for the cessation of bled air from the loop return hose. So maybe utilising your bleed-valve idea would do it. And to make the SOLE operator job even easier, I now fit a home made attachment to the expansion tank that elevates the fill position to a convenient height that is at least above the radiator bleeder level, dependent upon jacking height of the front of the van or not. So when satisfied with filling bleeding, I can cut the 2000 rpm of the motor and not be concerned with coolant back-flushing out of the expansion tank, as it otherwise tries to do. Works for me even without the coolant loop hose, but I reckon even better setup with it. See the pics of the home made attachment.


The only issue for me perhaps against modifying the present radiator bleeder arrangement would be if modifying to a bleed/valve design, whether that would then prevent being able to manually bleed air trapped in the radiator by simply squirting coolant into the bleed hole till it's full. I find this method of occasional air-bleeding the radiator pretty handy.


Grist for the mill? Any other ideas/comments, please feel free to add to the discussion.


On another issue to do with G11 verses G12+ coolant for our vans.
Note: I have no opinion myself on this, just passing along for others to be aware of and/or comment.


I was told recently by my local mechanic that the semi-retired VW mechanic we both know told him that before the days of G12+, VW service personnel had a device or a sort of litmus test that could reveal the condition of G11 coolant in the system, the result would determine whether or not the coolant was due for replacement or not. Whereas this test was lost with introduction of G12+ formula. There may have been some other particular benefit as well, perhaps to do with original head studs V stainless steel alternatives, but I've since forgotten. In any event, it was the opinion of the semi-retired VW mechanic that we all should still be using G11 and not G12+ in our MV 2.1 water-cooled motors. In particular that G12+ was principally designed for later technology VW motors. I could perhaps seek greater clarity on this and any other matter if it was beneficial.


Cheers Roger. So far the count is seven members interested in the radiator. Lets keep it going ppl, the more the merrier!
Ken



-------- Original message --------
From: "Roger Bayley gullyraker53@gmail.com [Syncro_T3_Australia]" <Syncro_T3_Australia@yahoogroups.com>
Date: 27/11/2015 10:51 PM (GMT+10:00)
To: Syncro_T3_Australia@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [Syncro_T3_Australia] Re: Radiator replacement



Good idea Ken. I have always dreamed of having a bleed-valve on top of the radiator, with a flexible hose, so that you can save the coolant expelled during the bleeding process without making a mess.

Perhaps an all-aluminium radiator would be the go, to dispense with the troublesome plastic tanks and O ring seals.


Can we start a new thread to gauge the interest out there. I'm thinking that the more that we order, the cheaper they will be.


Roger B.






















Ken
 
No, but I'll find out tomorrow and let you know.
 
Graham
 
 
----- Original Message -----
Sent: Monday, November 30, 2015 5:24 PM
Subject: Re: [Syncro_T3_Australia] Radiator Group Buy - Expressions of interest

 

Gday Graham,

The photos I put up in a previous post shows the cardboard carton the radiator came in. It was labelled made in South Africa. 
Anything you know re origin that has changed since you and Scott purchased?
Cheers.
Ken



-------- Original message --------
From: "'Graham Adams' g.adams2@bigpond.com [Syncro_T3_Australia]" <Syncro_T3_Australia@yahoogroups.com>
Date: 30/11/2015 5:14 PM (GMT+10:00)
To: Syncro_T3_Australia@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [Syncro_T3_Australia] Radiator Group Buy - Expressions of interest


 

Ken and all
 
As Ken mentioned, Scott and I bought the thicker 45mm Behr Syncro radiators from Wyong Radiator Repairs in 2012.
I have had no problem with mine with temp needle sitting about 2 mm to left of the red light.
 
I have just rung their workshop,they are able to supply 6 of o/n  068 121  253 E which is what Ken has quoted from my order back in 2012. Can't find my original invoice.
Their supplier, Newcastle, had 12 of which there are 6 left, can get more to order.
 
The owner is a hands on mechanic who is prepared to have a look at my Syncro radiator in situ tomorrow and subject to thread  make up some sort of hose connection,push on or otherwise.
 
List price is $420 each,down to $400 each for 2 or more.I think that there is more room to move there with a bigger order.
 
They are Japanese made and have a slightly different cooling fin arrangement than ours. I remember this 45mm radiator being very much heavier than Just Campers 30mm unit.
 
Food for thought and a viable option.
 
Cheers  Graham Adams
 
 
 
 
 
 
----- Original Message -----
Sent: Monday, November 30, 2015 10:38 AM
Subject: [Syncro_T3_Australia] Radiator Group Buy - Expressions of interest

 





Hi Rowan,
Could you please check all the following, return the list with any differences you find.
Model number I think is stamped on the bottom. Syncro radiator should read "068 121 253 E"
Core thickness around 45-50mm.
Overall width (outside to outside) of plastic tanks around 648mm.
Overall height around 455mm.
Centre to centre of bottom support lugs around 642mm.
Top left is the bleeder location.
Towards bottom right (frontside) is the thermo/fan switch position
Please report back your findings or queries.
Thank you. Cheers.
Ken

-------- Original message --------
From: "Rowan Hardinge rowan.hardinge@yahoo.com [Syncro_T3_Australia]" <Syncro_T3_Australia@yahoogroups.com>
Date: 29/11/2015 12:17 PM (GMT+10:00)
To: Syncro_T3_Australia@yahoogroups.com,Syncro_T3_Australia@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [Syncro_T3_Australia] Radiator Group Buy - Expressions of interest


 
I have a spare radiator in the shed Im just not sure if it is a syncro one or not. If it is it can be used for prototyping..  How can I tell? 



 
Thanks Ken,
You've done a great job of clarifying the subject.
The photos were particularly helpful.
Peter


--Original Message Text---
From: Ken Garratt unclekenz@hotmail.com [Syncro_T3_Australia]
Date: Sat, 28 Nov 2015 16:29:11 +1100






Hi Roger,
One thing I have learnt about accidentally expelling G12+ coolant is that it is a very effective albeit expensive lawn killer!


I've always lusted after a refill/air-bleed procedure that can readily be CONTROLLED by a SOLE operator ideally in a relaxed state of mind, with the convenience to be stationed only at the expansion tank from the moment after I've opened the radiator bleeder until I'm finished filling bleeding and ready to shut the motor down. By comparison, in my opinion the Bentley coolant change/bleed procedure is a disaster for a SOLE operator and never fails to fill me with terror!


RE your suggestion: "I have always dreamed of having a bleed-valve on top of the radiator, with a flexible hose, so that you can save the coolant expelled during the bleeding process without making a mess."
So Roger, to perhaps extend your dream idea further ... I've often wondered how to attach (seal) and run a small flexible hose from the radiator bleeder back to the expansion bottle, so creating a complete coolant loop for the fill/bleed procedure. This would enable complete control of coolant being fed into the system and at the same time, monitor for the cessation of bled air from the loop return hose. So maybe utilising your bleed-valve idea would do it. And to make the SOLE operator job even easier, I now fit a home made attachment to the expansion tank that elevates the fill position to a convenient height that is at least above the radiator bleeder level, dependent upon jacking height of the front of the van or not. So when satisfied with filling bleeding, I can cut the 2000 rpm of the motor and not be concerned with coolant back-flushing out of the expansion tank, as it otherwise tries to do. Works for me even without the coolant loop hose, but I reckon even better setup with it. See the pics of the home made attachment.


The only issue for me perhaps against modifying the present radiator bleeder arrangement would be if modifying to a bleed/valve design, whether that would then prevent being able to manually bleed air trapped in the radiator by simply squirting coolant into the bleed hole till it's full. I find this method of occasional air-bleeding the radiator pretty handy.


Grist for the mill? Any other ideas/comments, please feel free to add to the discussion.


On another issue to do with G11 verses G12+ coolant for our vans.
Note: I have no opinion myself on this, just passing along for others to be aware of and/or comment.


I was told recently by my local mechanic that the semi-retired VW mechanic we both know told him that before the days of G12+, VW service personnel had a device or a sort of litmus test that could reveal the condition of G11 coolant in the system, the result would determine whether or not the coolant was due for replacement or not. Whereas this test was lost with introduction of G12+ formula. There may have been some other particular benefit as well, perhaps to do with original head studs V stainless steel alternatives, but I've since forgotten. In any event, it was the opinion of the semi-retired VW mechanic that we all should still be using G11 and not G12+ in our MV 2.1 water-cooled motors. In particular that G12+ was principally designed for later technology VW motors. I could perhaps seek greater clarity on this and any other matter if it was beneficial.


Cheers Roger. So far the count is seven members interested in the radiator. Lets keep it going ppl, the more the merrier!
Ken



-------- Original message --------
From: "Roger Bayley gullyraker53@gmail.com [Syncro_T3_Australia]" <Syncro_T3_Australia@yahoogroups.com>
Date: 27/11/2015 10:51 PM (GMT+10:00)
To: Syncro_T3_Australia@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [Syncro_T3_Australia] Re: Radiator replacement



Good idea Ken. I have always dreamed of having a bleed-valve on top of the radiator, with a flexible hose, so that you can save the coolant expelled during the bleeding process without making a mess.

Perhaps an all-aluminium radiator would be the go, to dispense with the troublesome plastic tanks and O ring seals.


Can we start a new thread to gauge the interest out there. I'm thinking that the more that we order, the cheaper they will be.


Roger B.





















Unsure on volume required for filling from dry, but it definitely does not drain all coolant out with just draining. I drained through the water jacket in the motor, front raised (front wheels ~100mm off the ground). When flushing with just demineralized water (ran up to operating temp, heater on before draining), the colour was only slightly lighter than what I first drained out. So that indicates there was still an amount of coolant left in the system. After the next drain I filled with a higher concentration to offset the lower concentration that would have been left in from the demineralized water flush.


Didn't like the idea of flushing with a hose/tap water, I have the history of my bus and has only ever had demineralised water and G12+

Also what I drained out originally was spotless, so the system is nice and clean.


I will have to do this again soon on a nice Caravelle auto I picked up a little while ago, also low mileage and full service history from new, so very similar to my caravelle syncro! Must say I  am getting spoilt with the auto box, very nice, smooth and quiet. Have been using it to run around in on the week ends.


Richard

Hi All,

Just phoned (Behr) Hella in Melbourne and they have 15 radiators coming in early January which would have to be supplied through one of their dealers (no price). I had to quote the part number from Ken’s PDF: 8MK 376 713-631. Confirmed that they are made in South Africa.

Graham, did you find out who makes the radiators made in Japan? 

-- 
Jon Bartlett
Sent with Airmail

On 30 November 2015 at 5:14:55 pm, 'Graham Adams' g.adams2@bigpond.com [Syncro_T3_Australia] (syncro_t3_australia@yahoogroups.com) wrote:

 
Ken and all
 
As Ken mentioned, Scott and I bought the thicker 45mm Behr Syncro radiators from Wyong Radiator Repairs in 2012.
I have had no problem with mine with temp needle sitting about 2 mm to left of the red light.
 
I have just rung their workshop,they are able to supply 6 of o/n  068 121  253 E which is what Ken has quoted from my order back in 2012. Can't find my original invoice.
Their supplier, Newcastle, had 12 of which there are 6 left, can get more to order.
 
The owner is a hands on mechanic who is prepared to have a look at my Syncro radiator in situ tomorrow and subject to thread  make up some sort of hose connection,push on or otherwise.
 
List price is $420 each,down to $400 each for 2 or more.I think that there is more room to move there with a bigger order.
 
They are Japanese made and have a slightly different cooling fin arrangement than ours. I remember this 45mm radiator being very much heavier than Just Campers 30mm unit.
 
Food for thought and a viable option.
 
Cheers  Graham Adams
 
 
 
 
 
 
----- Original Message -----
Sent: Monday, November 30, 2015 10:38 AM
Subject: [Syncro_T3_Australia] Radiator Group Buy - Expressions of interest

 




Hi Rowan,
Could you please check all the following, return the list with any differences you find.
Model number I think is stamped on the bottom. Syncro radiator should read "068 121 253 E"
Core thickness around 45-50mm.
Overall width (outside to outside) of plastic tanks around 648mm.
Overall height around 455mm.
Centre to centre of bottom support lugs around 642mm.
Top left is the bleeder location.
Towards bottom right (frontside) is the thermo/fan switch position
Please report back your findings or queries.
Thank you. Cheers.
Ken

-------- Original message --------
From: "Rowan Hardinge rowan.hardinge@yahoo.com [Syncro_T3_Australia]" <Syncro_T3_Australia@yahoogroups.com>
Date: 29/11/2015 12:17 PM (GMT+10:00)
To: Syncro_T3_Australia@yahoogroups.com,Syncro_T3_Australia@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [Syncro_T3_Australia] Radiator Group Buy - Expressions of interest


 
I have a spare radiator in the shed Im just not sure if it is a syncro one or not. If it is it can be used for prototyping..  How can I tell? 



 
Thanks Ken,
You've done a great job of clarifying the subject.
The photos were particularly helpful.
Peter


--Original Message Text---
From: Ken Garratt unclekenz@hotmail.com [Syncro_T3_Australia]
Date: Sat, 28 Nov 2015 16:29:11 +1100






Hi Roger,
One thing I have learnt about accidentally expelling G12+ coolant is that it is a very effective albeit expensive lawn killer!


I've always lusted after a refill/air-bleed procedure that can readily be CONTROLLED by a SOLE operator ideally in a relaxed state of mind, with the convenience to be stationed only at the expansion tank from the moment after I've opened the radiator bleeder until I'm finished filling bleeding and ready to shut the motor down. By comparison, in my opinion the Bentley coolant change/bleed procedure is a disaster for a SOLE operator and never fails to fill me with terror!


RE your suggestion: "I have always dreamed of having a bleed-valve on top of the radiator, with a flexible hose, so that you can save the coolant expelled during the bleeding process without making a mess."
So Roger, to perhaps extend your dream idea further ... I've often wondered how to attach (seal) and run a small flexible hose from the radiator bleeder back to the expansion bottle, so creating a complete coolant loop for the fill/bleed procedure. This would enable complete control of coolant being fed into the system and at the same time, monitor for the cessation of bled air from the loop return hose. So maybe utilising your bleed-valve idea would do it. And to make the SOLE operator job even easier, I now fit a home made attachment to the expansion tank that elevates the fill position to a convenient height that is at least above the radiator bleeder level, dependent upon jacking height of the front of the van or not. So when satisfied with filling bleeding, I can cut the 2000 rpm of the motor and not be concerned with coolant back-flushing out of the expansion tank, as it otherwise tries to do. Works for me even without the coolant loop hose, but I reckon even better setup with it. See the pics of the home made attachment.


The only issue for me perhaps against modifying the present radiator bleeder arrangement would be if modifying to a bleed/valve design, whether that would then prevent being able to manually bleed air trapped in the radiator by simply squirting coolant into the bleed hole till it's full. I find this method of occasional air-bleeding the radiator pretty handy.


Grist for the mill? Any other ideas/comments, please feel free to add to the discussion.


On another issue to do with G11 verses G12+ coolant for our vans.
Note: I have no opinion myself on this, just passing along for others to be aware of and/or comment.


I was told recently by my local mechanic that the semi-retired VW mechanic we both know told him that before the days of G12+, VW service personnel had a device or a sort of litmus test that could reveal the condition of G11 coolant in the system, the result would determine whether or not the coolant was due for replacement or not. Whereas this test was lost with introduction of G12+ formula. There may have been some other particular benefit as well, perhaps to do with original head studs V stainless steel alternatives, but I've since forgotten. In any event, it was the opinion of the semi-retired VW mechanic that we all should still be using G11 and not G12+ in our MV 2.1 water-cooled motors. In particular that G12+ was principally designed for later technology VW motors. I could perhaps seek greater clarity on this and any other matter if it was beneficial.


Cheers Roger. So far the count is seven members interested in the radiator. Lets keep it going ppl, the more the merrier!
Ken



-------- Original message --------
From: "Roger Bayley gullyraker53@gmail.com [Syncro_T3_Australia]" <Syncro_T3_Australia@yahoogroups.com>
Date: 27/11/2015 10:51 PM (GMT+10:00)
To: Syncro_T3_Australia@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [Syncro_T3_Australia] Re: Radiator replacement



Good idea Ken. I have always dreamed of having a bleed-valve on top of the radiator, with a flexible hose, so that you can save the coolant expelled during the bleeding process without making a mess.

Perhaps an all-aluminium radiator would be the go, to dispense with the troublesome plastic tanks and O ring seals.


Can we start a new thread to gauge the interest out there. I'm thinking that the more that we order, the cheaper they will be.


Roger B.





















Thanks every one for your input.

After making enquiries of the usual suppliers, it seems that there is no shortage of good quality radiators at a very reasonable price, so it is probably not necessary to have a batch of radiators custom-made at this stage.

The only problem is that members need to be aware that there are inferior products in the market place, and they should insist on the correct part.

The radiator fitted to all versions of the T3 transporter range n Australia is part no 168 121 253 E. Known as the "Tropical Radiator," it was fitted to all vans in hot climates, or vans with air conditioning. It was fitted to 1.9 and 2.1 petrol engines, and diesels, both 2WD and 4WD, from 1984-1992.

Coolant capacity of the entire system is 17.5 litres.

The dimensions of the radiator core are 570mm wide x 440mm high x 45 mm thick. They weigh 8.4 kg. According to the GoWesty and Van Café websites the German manufacturer Behr was the original OE supplier, and they are still readily available from numerous suppliers.

Vans sold in cooler overseas climates were fitted with thinner (30mm) radiator cores (part numbers 168 121 253 or 168 121 253 A, B or C). They will fit a syncro and could be used as a stop-gap solution but will not provide adequate cooling in extreme conditions or when travelling slowly in Gelande gear.

It seems that the euro-spec radiators are being imported by some suppliers in Australia, so it is important to specify the "E" suffix and check that the core is 45mm thick.

These thinner radiators might be advantageous in the snow country, as they will provide a quicker warm-up - an important consideration if you are relying on the demister to clear the ice from the windscreen as quickly as possible (a scenario that I know well as a shift-worker in Orange!) but I think I would prefer the correct radiator, and a removable radiator blind.

I purchased a radiator from Tooley Imports in January 2003, part no. 168 121 253 D. It has a core thickness of 42 mm and has worked perfectly under all conditions - even climbing the infamous Limeburner's track with a tonne on board in mid-summer the temp gauge never moved past half-way, and the second stage of the cooling fan has never been called on. I plan to replace it soon as it is nearly 13 years old, which is tempting fate.

All radiators deteriorate with age, and the alloy fins are subject to impact damage from insect strike and road debris, and blockage with dust and leaf litter. This can be minimised by fitting a mesh screen behind the radiator grilles, and regular cleaning with compressed air. This needs to be done daily if driving cross-country through tall grass, or an insect plague.

Damaged fins can be carefully repaired with a 'radiator comb'.

The grilles are easily removed to facilitate the process. The large screw-heads can be disengaged from their spring clips with a quarter of a turn, and snick back in place with the application of gentle pressure.

The plastic radiator tanks become brittle with age and can fail catastrophically due to vibration on corrugated roads if the unit is loose in its mounts. Repairs can sometimes be affected with epoxy putty. Check the radiator for movement whenever you clean it. A common cause of looseness is perished rubber mountings (part no 171 121 276 D). These are four thick rubber washers on the locating lugs on each corner of the radiator. They are cheap and are readily available from the usual Australian suppliers, GoWesty or Van Café.

The plastic tanks are crimped on to the alloy core and sealed with a long, thin "O' ring, but the crimps are robust and the Behr radiators are well made.

Failure and/or leakage of the dual speed fan thermo-switch, (fitted to the back of the radiator bear the fan), can cause a problem. (P/N 251 959 481 K) but they are small and cheap enough to carry as a spare part. Don't forget the 22mm/29mm sealing washer, (P/N N 043 808 3). You can check the operation of the switch with a laser thermometer - the fan should cut in at around 87 C. and the second speed at 93 C., and cut out at 76 C. and 82 C. respectively.

Vans fitted with aircon have a fan resistor (P/N 251 971 284 H) fitted behind the passenger's headlight assembly which sometimes plays up, so that the radiator fan does not work when it should. The Van Café website states that "you can check it by unplugging the connector at the fan switch on the radiator. Connect the two outer poles and the high speed fan will come on. Connect the center pole to each of the outer poles (one at a time) and the low speed should come on in one of those pairings (nothing will happen in the other pairing). If the fan does operate as described with these tests, then barring a broken wire between the units, this resistor unit is bad. If the fan did not come on as described in these tests, then you must dig deeper."

Another potential for failure is cross-threading or stripping of the bleed screw. It is an M8x12 bolt (P/N N 010 237 6) with sealing washer (823 711 815). These are pesky to fit and easy to drop, so always carry a spare, and fit it with care.

Another cause of overheating is due to the deterioration of the cardboard baffles surrounding the radiator on the bottom and both sides, (P/Nos. 251 121 282 A, 251 121 282 A, and 251 121 283 B). GoWesty sells a superior thermoplastic replacement kit for less than $40.

Inefficiency and potential vibration damage can also be caused by the absence of the top and bottom gaskets, (P/N 431 819 225), which are often missing. Perhaps they have disintegrated, or been left off by lazy mechanics. I've never seen one, but the Ekta catalogue describes them as 1360 mm long strips. I presume that one strip cut in half would serve top and bottom. They are sandwiched in between the top and bottom radiator mounts. If anyone has seen a pair, perhaps they could post a description so we can make something to fit.

When I get round to fitting the new radiator, stainless steel pipes, junctions, reservoir and silicone hose kit I intend to modify the top radiator bracket to make room for an improved bleed valve. I will keep the group posted.

Roger B


And thank you, Roger, for the huge amount of work that you have put into this.  I will post your findings in Files for future reference.

Les

 


From: Syncro_T3_Australia@yahoogroups.com [mailto: Syncro_T3_Australia@yahoogroups.com ]
Sent: 05 December 2015 01:14
To: Syncro_T3_Australia@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [Syncro_T3_Australia] Re: Radiator Group Buy - Expressions of interest

 

Thanks every one for your input.

 

Roger B

Most informative.
Well done Roger.
PK
Hi Roger,
Thanks a lot for the detailed report, inclusive of all associated parts to do with the radiator.

The South African made BEHR seems to have dried up from Newcastle source and as Graham said, an alternative Japan source replacement is currently available, but it remains unsighted, of unknown brand/spec/quality assurance, unless someone can report here further info about it.

Meanwhile, given there are 7 members so far who've indicated interest in a replacement radiator, just wondering whether as part of your research, which supplier if any you've found in Sydney or NSW who has stock of the GERMAN made BEHR 168 121 253 E.
Cheers and thanks again ... terrific effort!
Kenh





-------- Original message --------
From: "Roger Bayley gullyraker53@gmail.com [Syncro_T3_Australia]" <Syncro_T3_Australia@yahoogroups.com>
Date: 05/12/2015 1:13 AM (GMT+10:00)
To: Syncro_T3_Australia@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [Syncro_T3_Australia] Re: Radiator Group Buy - Expressions of interest


 

Thanks every one for your input.

After making enquiries of the usual suppliers, it seems that  there is no shortage of good quality radiators at a very reasonable price, so it is probably not necessary to have a batch of radiators custom-made at this stage.

The only problem is that members need to be aware that there are inferior products in the market place, and they should insist on the correct part.

The radiator fitted to all versions of the T3 transporter range n Australia is part no 168 121 253 E.  Known as the "Tropical Radiator," it was fitted to all vans in hot climates, or vans with air conditioning. It was fitted to 1.9 and 2.1 petrol engines, and diesels, both 2WD and 4WD, from 1984-1992.

Coolant capacity of the entire system is 17.5 litres.

The dimensions of the radiator core are 570mm wide x 440mm high x 45 mm thick. They weigh 8.4 kg. According to the GoWesty and Van Café websites the German manufacturer Behr was the original OE supplier, and they are still readily available from numerous suppliers. 

Vans sold in cooler overseas climates were fitted with thinner (30mm) radiator cores (part numbers 168 121 253 or 168 121 253 A, B or C). They will fit a syncro and could be used as a stop-gap solution but will not provide adequate cooling in extreme conditions or when travelling slowly in Gelande gear.

It seems that the euro-spec radiators are being imported by some suppliers in Australia, so it is important to specify the "E" suffix and check that the core is 45mm thick.

These thinner radiators might be advantageous in the snow country, as they will provide a quicker warm-up - an important consideration if you are relying on the demister to clear the ice from the windscreen as quickly as possible (a scenario that I know well as a shift-worker in Orange!) but I think I would prefer the correct radiator, and a removable radiator blind. 

I purchased a radiator from Tooley Imports in January 2003, part no. 168 121 253 D. It has a core thickness of 42 mm and has worked perfectly under all conditions - even climbing the infamous Limeburner's track with a tonne on board in mid-summer the temp gauge never moved past half-way, and the second stage of the cooling fan has never been called on. I plan to replace it soon as it is nearly 13 years old, which is tempting fate.

All radiators deteriorate with age, and the alloy fins are subject to impact damage from insect strike and road debris, and blockage with dust and leaf litter. This can be minimised by fitting a mesh screen behind the radiator grilles, and regular cleaning with compressed air. This needs to be done daily if driving cross-country through tall grass, or an insect plague.

Damaged fins can be carefully repaired with a 'radiator comb'.

The grilles are easily removed to facilitate the process. The large screw-heads can be disengaged from their spring clips with a quarter of a turn, and snick back in place with the application of gentle pressure.

The plastic radiator tanks become brittle with age and can fail catastrophically due to vibration on corrugated roads if the unit is loose in its mounts. Repairs can sometimes be affected with epoxy putty. Check the radiator for movement whenever you clean it. A common cause of looseness is perished rubber mountings (part no 171 121 276 D). These are four thick rubber washers on the locating lugs on each corner of the radiator. They are cheap and are readily available from the usual Australian suppliers, GoWesty or Van Café.

The plastic tanks are crimped on to the alloy core and sealed with a long, thin "O' ring, but the crimps are robust and the Behr radiators are well made.

Failure and/or leakage of the dual speed fan thermo-switch, (fitted to the back of the radiator bear the fan), can cause a problem. (P/N 251 959 481 K) but they are small and cheap enough to carry as a spare part. Don't forget the 22mm/29mm sealing washer, (P/N N 043 808 3). You can check the operation of the switch with a laser thermometer - the fan should cut in at around 87 C. and the second speed at 93 C., and cut out at 76 C. and 82 C. respectively.

Vans fitted with aircon have a fan resistor (P/N 251 971 284 H) fitted behind the passenger's headlight assembly which sometimes plays up, so that the radiator fan does not work when it should. The Van Café website states that "you can check it by unplugging the connector at the fan switch on the radiator. Connect the two outer poles and the high speed fan will come on. Connect the center pole to each of the outer poles (one at a time) and the low speed should come on in one of those pairings (nothing will happen in the other pairing). If the fan does operate as described with these tests, then barring a broken wire between the units, this resistor unit is bad. If the fan did not come on as described in these tests, then you must dig deeper."

Another potential for failure is cross-threading or stripping of the bleed screw. It is an M8x12 bolt (P/N N 010 237 6) with sealing washer (823 711 815). These are pesky to fit and easy to drop, so always carry a spare, and fit it with care.

Another cause of overheating is due to the deterioration of the cardboard baffles surrounding the radiator on the bottom and both sides, (P/Nos. 251 121 282 A, 251 121 282 A, and 251 121 283 B). GoWesty sells a superior thermoplastic replacement kit for less than $40.

Inefficiency and potential vibration damage can also be caused by the absence of the top and bottom gaskets, (P/N 431 819 225), which are often missing. Perhaps they have disintegrated, or been left off by lazy mechanics. I've never seen one, but the Ekta catalogue describes them as 1360 mm long strips. I presume that one strip cut in half would serve top and bottom. They are sandwiched in between the top and bottom radiator mounts. If anyone has seen a pair, perhaps they could post a description so we can make something to fit.

When I get round to fitting the new radiator, stainless steel pipes, junctions, reservoir and silicone hose kit I intend to modify the top radiator bracket to make room for an improved bleed valve. I will keep the group posted.

Roger B

 

 


On 05/12/2015 12:37, unclekenz unclekenz@hotmail.com
[Syncro_T3_Australia] wrote:
> 168 121 253 E
All,

The part number for the radiator could be 068 121 253 E rather than 168
121 253 E I believe.
Just did a look up for 168... but no results whereas 068... returns the
Behr radiator as a result.
Or did a 168... also exist ?

Cheers

Hans
Hi Hans,
Well spotted! Looks like a typo.
You are correct. It is indeed only 068 121 253 E
Les could you please correct the file copy, hate to see any confusion down the track.
Cheers.
Ken



-------- Original message --------
From: "'busman.syncro' busman.syncro@yahoo.com.au [Syncro_T3_Australia]" <Syncro_T3_Australia@yahoogroups.com>
Date: 05/12/2015 1:27 PM (GMT+10:00)
To: Syncro_T3_Australia@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [Syncro_T3_Australia] Re: Radiator Group Buy - Expressions of interest


 

On 05/12/2015 12:37, unclekenz unclekenz@hotmail.com
[Syncro_T3_Australia] wrote:

> 168 121 253 E
All,

The part number for the radiator could be 068 121 253 E rather than 168
121 253 E I believe.
Just did a look up for 168... but no results whereas 068... returns the
Behr radiator as a result.
Or did a 168... also exist ?

Cheers

Hans

You are absolutely right Hans. Sorry about the typo.

Roger.
Great info Roger. Thank you.

Ken H, 

A mechanic relative of mine found some SA made Behr units via Ashdown Ingram, Alexandria, NSW (02 9516 3022). Their part number is "8MK 376 713-631” as per the PDF and photos sent around last week. Apparently there a number sitting in a warehouse in Brisbane.

Also Behr (Hella) told me they have 15 or so arriving mid-January from SA.

Cheers.

-- 
Jon Bartlett
Sent with Airmail

On 5 December 2015 at 1:07:46 pm, unclekenz unclekenz@hotmail.com [Syncro_T3_Australia] (syncro_t3_australia@yahoogroups.com) wrote:

 

Hi Roger,

Thanks a lot for the detailed report, inclusive of all associated parts to do with the radiator.

The South African made BEHR seems to have dried up from Newcastle source and as Graham said, an alternative Japan source replacement is currently available, but it remains unsighted, of unknown brand/spec/quality assurance, unless someone can report here further info about it.

Meanwhile, given there are 7 members so far who've indicated interest in a replacement radiator, just wondering whether as part of your research, which supplier if any you've found in Sydney or NSW who has stock of the GERMAN made BEHR 168 121 253 E.
Cheers and thanks again ... terrific effort!
Kenh





-------- Original message --------
From: "Roger Bayley gullyraker53@gmail.com [Syncro_T3_Australia]" <Syncro_T3_Australia@yahoogroups.com>
Date: 05/12/2015 1:13 AM (GMT+10:00)
To: Syncro_T3_Australia@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [Syncro_T3_Australia] Re: Radiator Group Buy - Expressions of interest


 
Thanks every one for your input.

After making enquiries of the usual suppliers, it seems that  there is no shortage of good quality radiators at a very reasonable price, so it is probably not necessary to have a batch of radiators custom-made at this stage.

The only problem is that members need to be aware that there are inferior products in the market place, and they should insist on the correct part.

The radiator fitted to all versions of the T3 transporter range n Australia is part no 168 121 253 E.  Known as the "Tropical Radiator," it was fitted to all vans in hot climates, or vans with air conditioning. It was fitted to 1.9 and 2.1 petrol engines, and diesels, both 2WD and 4WD, from 1984-1992.

Coolant capacity of the entire system is 17.5 litres.

The dimensions of the radiator core are 570mm wide x 440mm high x 45 mm thick. They weigh 8.4 kg. According to the GoWesty and Van Café websites the German manufacturer Behr was the original OE supplier, and they are still readily available from numerous suppliers. 

Vans sold in cooler overseas climates were fitted with thinner (30mm) radiator cores (part numbers 168 121 253 or 168 121 253 A, B or C). They will fit a syncro and could be used as a stop-gap solution but will not provide adequate cooling in extreme conditions or when travelling slowly in Gelande gear.

It seems that the euro-spec radiators are being imported by some suppliers in Australia, so it is important to specify the "E" suffix and check that the core is 45mm thick.

These thinner radiators might be advantageous in the snow country, as they will provide a quicker warm-up - an important consideration if you are relying on the demister to clear the ice from the windscreen as quickly as possible (a scenario that I know well as a shift-worker in Orange!) but I think I would prefer the correct radiator, and a removable radiator blind. 

I purchased a radiator from Tooley Imports in January 2003, part no. 168 121 253 D. It has a core thickness of 42 mm and has worked perfectly under all conditions - even climbing the infamous Limeburner's track with a tonne on board in mid-summer the temp gauge never moved past half-way, and the second stage of the cooling fan has never been called on. I plan to replace it soon as it is nearly 13 years old, which is tempting fate.

All radiators deteriorate with age, and the alloy fins are subject to impact damage from insect strike and road debris, and blockage with dust and leaf litter. This can be minimised by fitting a mesh screen behind the radiator grilles, and regular cleaning with compressed air. This needs to be done daily if driving cross-country through tall grass, or an insect plague.

Damaged fins can be carefully repaired with a 'radiator comb'.

The grilles are easily removed to facilitate the process. The large screw-heads can be disengaged from their spring clips with a quarter of a turn, and snick back in place with the application of gentle pressure.

The plastic radiator tanks become brittle with age and can fail catastrophically due to vibration on corrugated roads if the unit is loose in its mounts. Repairs can sometimes be affected with epoxy putty. Check the radiator for movement whenever you clean it. A common cause of looseness is perished rubber mountings (part no 171 121 276 D). These are four thick rubber washers on the locating lugs on each corner of the radiator. They are cheap and are readily available from the usual Australian suppliers, GoWesty or Van Café.

The plastic tanks are crimped on to the alloy core and sealed with a long, thin "O' ring, but the crimps are robust and the Behr radiators are well made.

Failure and/or leakage of the dual speed fan thermo-switch, (fitted to the back of the radiator bear the fan), can cause a problem. (P/N 251 959 481 K) but they are small and cheap enough to carry as a spare part. Don't forget the 22mm/29mm sealing washer, (P/N N 043 808 3). You can check the operation of the switch with a laser thermometer - the fan should cut in at around 87 C. and the second speed at 93 C., and cut out at 76 C. and 82 C. respectively.

Vans fitted with aircon have a fan resistor (P/N 251 971 284 H) fitted behind the passenger's headlight assembly which sometimes plays up, so that the radiator fan does not work when it should. The Van Café website states that "you can check it by unplugging the connector at the fan switch on the radiator. Connect the two outer poles and the high speed fan will come on. Connect the center pole to each of the outer poles (one at a time) and the low speed should come on in one of those pairings (nothing will happen in the other pairing). If the fan does operate as described with these tests, then barring a broken wire between the units, this resistor unit is bad. If the fan did not come on as described in these tests, then you must dig deeper."

Another potential for failure is cross-threading or stripping of the bleed screw. It is an M8x12 bolt (P/N N 010 237 6) with sealing washer (823 711 815). These are pesky to fit and easy to drop, so always carry a spare, and fit it with care.

Another cause of overheating is due to the deterioration of the cardboard baffles surrounding the radiator on the bottom and both sides, (P/Nos. 251 121 282 A, 251 121 282 A, and 251 121 283 B). GoWesty sells a superior thermoplastic replacement kit for less than $40.

Inefficiency and potential vibration damage can also be caused by the absence of the top and bottom gaskets, (P/N 431 819 225), which are often missing. Perhaps they have disintegrated, or been left off by lazy mechanics. I've never seen one, but the Ekta catalogue describes them as 1360 mm long strips. I presume that one strip cut in half would serve top and bottom. They are sandwiched in between the top and bottom radiator mounts. If anyone has seen a pair, perhaps they could post a description so we can make something to fit.

When I get round to fitting the new radiator, stainless steel pipes, junctions, reservoir and silicone hose kit I intend to modify the top radiator bracket to make room for an improved bleed valve. I will keep the group posted.

Roger B

 

 


Re availability of genuine Behr radiators;

I made enquiries with my usual suppliers in Sydney and came up with the following news;

Richard from Tooley Imports has 5 Behrs arriving in a week or two. I have put my name down for one of them. When I told Richard that we have several interested customers he said to call him on (02)9476 2888. They can freight them anywhere. Make sure you specify the part number ending in 'E'.

Muller and Muller ((02) 9759 0504) always keeps one in stock. The one they have at present is the right part number. They source them from Tooleys.

Sounds like there is no problem with supply at present, and they are advertised for sale on the U.S., U.K. and Euro websites, but don't throw away your old radiator as you may need it for a pattern to build a custom one in the future.

Roger B.