re: Adjustable Voltage Regulator

Les,
I agree with what you have just written. It's just that you were mistaken with his background. He has mainly been a journalist and has not had very many years experience with automotive work. He has been banned from some 4WD forums and has designed some really dangerous designs.

But I will agree that a lot of his stuff is worth reading. His cable size article is excellent reading and shows the stupidity of the unofficial automotive cable sizing in Australia.

http://www.fridge-and-solar.net/wire.html

I am just trying to say that you cannot take everything that he writes as proven fact.

Phill



> Les Harris <leslieharris@optushome.com.au> wrote:
>
> Phill,
>
> Qualifications are very strange things.
>
> The Rolls-Royce V12 engine that powered the Hurricanes and Spitfires
> that saved Britain in the middle of 1940 was a very disappointing engine
> until an unqualified engineer had a close look at it and recommended a
> series of air-flow changes. His suggestions were roundly rejected and
> the engine continued to under-perform. Desperate times call for
> desperate measures. The recommendations were applied and, suddenly, the
> engine belched fire and became a world-beater. It certainly saved
> Britain, despite the defending aircraft being massively outnumbered.
>
> Then there was a funny bloke called Phil Irving, with whom I had the
> pleasure of associating in the years after his association with the
> Brabham years of victory. His engine designs were legendary but he did
> not have a PhD in engineering. And there are similar funny blokes in
> the engineering world. It might be worth mentioning that George Cayley
> was a farmer, but he was the person who established the need for three
> axis control of aircraft.
>
> My qualifications would not get me in the door of any major engineering
> company today. I joined Qantas as a cadet in December 1940 straight out
> of high school, when the only people who did degrees were those who
> wanted to go on to lecture at universities. There was absolutely no
> question of Masters or PhD's. Yet I eventually managed to be the
> engineer in charge of the building of many exciting prototype and
> proof-of-concept vehicles over a long period. I repeat that if I
> presented myself at the door of the same company today, I would not even
> rate a first interview.
>
> And this is true of a lot of fields of endeavour. There are people,
> particularly in the early days of science, who have devoted a lifetime
> to exploring fields of knowledge and building up a bank of hard-won
> information before the rest of the world catches up with the fact that
> we do not know what we do not know.
>
> I do not class myself along with them - they are the pioneers of many
> great advances of human thinking - but make the point that useful
> knowledge is not the province of latter day holders of a master's degree
> in a particular field. I could quote examples that verge on the
> libellous but which are nonetheless sustainable..
>
> Until such time as my knowledge exceeds that of Rivers, I will accept
> his experience as, at the very least, being far superior to my meagre
> knowledge.
>
> Les
>
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: Phill
> To: Syncro_T3_Australia@yahoogroups.com
> Sent: Tuesday, January 06, 2009 4:51 PM
> Subject: [Syncro_T3_Australia] Re: Adjustable Voltage Regulator
>
>
> I recently bought a book called "Motorhome Electrics" by Collyn Rivers
>
> to add to my understanding. It is written in commendable and very
> understandable detail. He is an electrical engineer with extensive
> experience in motor vehicle electrics, particularly campervans and
> including solar arrays.
> >
>
> Les he is not an electrical engineer.
>
>
>
>
Gday Phill,

I recall you expressing these sentiments about Rivers on a previous
occasion here.

Having read his book cover to cover, and for the layman, a very
informative read and worth reading at least a few times, I find it very
difficult to criticise his endeavours with the wealth of subject manner,
ease of reading and understanding, as well a consumer advocate
dispelling the hype product makers and sellers make. He readily answers
email queries ... really, I wouldn't expect that kind of assistance, I'm
sure he has more pressing things to do.

Phill, as they say, there are two sides to every story. It'd be
interesting to hear from Rivers whether or not the protagonists you say
are opposed to him, where are they coming from, what hidden agenda might
they have and do they genuinely have any credibility anyway.

Like Les, until I hear otherwise, I'll make use of the wealth of
knowledge he offers in his publication particularly as it relates to
Australian conditions for campervans, it would virtually have to have
been a labour of love (hope he makes a quid too) and quite unique,
squarely aimed at assisting anyone needing tocome to grips with the
mindfield that is mobile campervans and the like.

Cheers.

Ken
--- In Syncro_T3_Australia@yahoogroups.com, plander@... wrote:
>
> Les,
> I agree with what you have just written. It's just that you were
mistaken with his background. He has mainly been a journalist and has
not had very many years experience with automotive work. He has been
banned from some 4WD forums and has designed some really dangerous
designs.
>
> But I will agree that a lot of his stuff is worth reading. His cable
size article is excellent reading and shows the stupidity of the
unofficial automotive cable sizing in Australia.
>
> http://www.fridge-and-solar.net/wire.html
>
> I am just trying to say that you cannot take everything that he writes
as proven fact.
>
> Phill
>
>
>
> > Les Harris leslieharris@... wrote:
> >
> > Phill,
> >
> > Qualifications are very strange things.
> >
> > The Rolls-Royce V12 engine that powered the Hurricanes and Spitfires
> > that saved Britain in the middle of 1940 was a very disappointing
engine
> > until an unqualified engineer had a close look at it and recommended
a
> > series of air-flow changes. His suggestions were roundly rejected
and
> > the engine continued to under-perform. Desperate times call for
> > desperate measures. The recommendations were applied and, suddenly,
the
> > engine belched fire and became a world-beater. It certainly saved
> > Britain, despite the defending aircraft being massively outnumbered.
> >
> > Then there was a funny bloke called Phil Irving, with whom I had the
> > pleasure of associating in the years after his association with the
> > Brabham years of victory. His engine designs were legendary but he
did
> > not have a PhD in engineering. And there are similar funny blokes in
> > the engineering world. It might be worth mentioning that George
Cayley
> > was a farmer, but he was the person who established the need for
three
> > axis control of aircraft.
> >
> > My qualifications would not get me in the door of any major
engineering
> > company today. I joined Qantas as a cadet in December 1940 straight
out
> > of high school, when the only people who did degrees were those who
> > wanted to go on to lecture at universities. There was absolutely no
> > question of Masters or PhD's. Yet I eventually managed to be the
> > engineer in charge of the building of many exciting prototype and
> > proof-of-concept vehicles over a long period. I repeat that if I
> > presented myself at the door of the same company today, I would not
even
> > rate a first interview.
> >
> > And this is true of a lot of fields of endeavour. There are people,
> > particularly in the early days of science, who have devoted a
lifetime
> > to exploring fields of knowledge and building up a bank of hard-won
> > information before the rest of the world catches up with the fact
that
> > we do not know what we do not know.
> >
> > I do not class myself along with them - they are the pioneers of
many
> > great advances of human thinking - but make the point that useful
> > knowledge is not the province of latter day holders of a master's
degree
> > in a particular field. I could quote examples that verge on the
> > libellous but which are nonetheless sustainable..
> >
> > Until such time as my knowledge exceeds that of Rivers, I will
accept
> > his experience as, at the very least, being far superior to my
meagre
> > knowledge.
> >
> > Les
> >
> >
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: Phill
> > To: Syncro_T3_Australia@yahoogroups.com
> > Sent: Tuesday, January 06, 2009 4:51 PM
> > Subject: [Syncro_T3_Australia] Re: Adjustable Voltage Regulator
> >
> >
> > I recently bought a book called "Motorhome Electrics" by Collyn
Rivers
> >
> > to add to my understanding. It is written in commendable and very
> > understandable detail. He is an electrical engineer with extensive
> > experience in motor vehicle electrics, particularly campervans and
> > including solar arrays.
> > >
> >
> > Les he is not an electrical engineer.
> >
> >
> >
> >
>
> Ken <unclekenz@yahoo.com> wrote:
>
>
> Gday Phill,
>
> I recall you expressing these sentiments about Rivers on a previous
> occasion here.
>
> Having read his book cover to cover, and for the layman, a very
> informative read and worth reading at least a few times, I find it very
> difficult to criticise his endeavours with the wealth of subject manner,
> ease of reading and understanding, as well a consumer advocate
> dispelling the hype product makers and sellers make. He readily answers
> email queries ... really, I wouldn't expect that kind of assistance, I'm
> sure he has more pressing things to do.


Yes Ken it is a very good book with a lot of valuable information. It is well written for the novice because Collyn Rivers is a journalist.



>
> Phill, as they say, there are two sides to every story. It'd be
> interesting to hear from Rivers whether or not the protagonists you say
> are opposed to him, where are they coming from, what hidden agenda might
> they have and do they genuinely have any credibility anyway.

He wrote once about running 240v from the car to the caravan to charge batteries. A guy from a rescue service was not happy about the safety after an accident of this. I really thought that it was a stupid idea also. Anyway when challenged he got quite aggresive.

By all means, read the book, I did. He is a good writer just don't take it as 100% technically correct.




, it would virtually have to have
> been a labour of love

No it is a business venture and he sells a lot of books.

Reg  Collyn Rivers

Collyn wrote a book about camper trailers and rang me to get photos for his book from my Teardrop Campers I built. We had a long talk about suspension and springs and bits. Collyn got some more information and rang me back later to help me understanding a few things.

Everything I have red in any of his books is spot on and I appreciate his help and time he gave me. I have to agree with Les, Collyn is a very smart man with a lot of knowledge with or without the paperwork.

 

Reiner

 

 

 

From: Syncro_T3_Australia@yahoogroups.com [mailto:Syncro_T3_Australia@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Ken
Sent: Wednesday, 7 January 2009 9:11 AM
To: Syncro_T3_Australia@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [Syncro_T3_Australia] Re: Adjustable Voltage Regulator

 


Gday Phill,

I recall you expressing these sentiments about Rivers on a previous
occasion here.

Having read his book cover to cover, and for the layman, a very
informative read and worth reading at least a few times, I find it very
difficult to criticise his endeavours with the wealth of subject manner,
ease of reading and understanding, as well a consumer advocate
dispelling the hype product makers and sellers make. He readily answers
email queries ... really, I wouldn't expect that kind of assistance, I'm
sure he has more pressing things to do.

Phill, as they say, there are two sides to every story. It'd be
interesting to hear from Rivers whether or not the protagonists you say
are opposed to him, where are they coming from, what hidden agenda might
they have and do they genuinely have any credibility anyway.

Like Les, until I hear otherwise, I'll make use of the wealth of
knowledge he offers in his publication particularly as it relates to
Australian conditions for campervans, it would virtually have to have
been a labour of love (hope he makes a quid too) and quite unique,
squarely aimed at assisting anyone needing tocome to grips with the
mindfield that is mobile campervans and the like.

Cheers.


Ken & Les
Been out of Telstra coverage for a few days so no Net, but I see you
found a price and supplier. From memory there was one other here -
Aquamarine??? - for about $20 more. Consensus on a few of the more
technical forums is that Cruz Pro are good quality products.
If you are after the absolute facts as well as the best brands for your
dollar on Solar, Regulators & Batteries from the most qualified (if
outspoken) people who'll give free advice, check out the rvtravelau
forum on yahoo - you'll have to sign up to view or post tho.
Michael.