> I'm confused. If you all have operational VC's and not solid shaft thenBecause the VC system is not 100% perfect design. (It is very close) It locks up when you don't want it to. eg roundabouts.
> why in hell do you want to fit a decoupler.
On Tue, Dec 15, 2009 at 5:05 AM, Michael Rayner <mrayner51@yahoo.com> wrote:
I'm confused. If you all have operational VC's and not solid shaft then why in hell do you want to fit a decoupler. Did'nt VW drop the production of decouplers when they chose to go down the VC route? Can a decoupler be fitted to a non diff lock syncro?Regards
MichaelFor me, the decoupler is good for two things.1) temporarily disconnecting the front drive when you are unable to find a suitable spare tyre2) keeping the VC offline when i need 2wd.--
BenT
--- In Syncro_T3_Australia@yahoogroups.com, Michael Rayner <mrayner51@...> wrote:
>
> I'm confused. If you all have operational VC's and not solid shaft then why in hell do you want to fit a decoupler. Did'nt VW drop the production of decouplers when they chose to go down the VC route? Can a decoupler be fitted to a non diff lock syncro?
> Regards
>
>
> Michael
>
>
>
> __________________________________________________________________________________
> See what's on at the movies in your area. Find out now: http://au.movies.yahoo.com/session-times/
>
On Wed, Dec 16, 2009 at 8:07 AM, bencroft96 <bencroft96@yahoo.com> wrote:
Micheal,I want to fit a decoupler so I can keep my vc operational as long as possible,I drive around city and highway(11 months of year)without driveshaft,so a decoupler will eliminate me climbing underneath when mates call up for a day off-road.
Because of the vcs design it does transmit torque to front wheels sometimes when it is not needed(parking,roundabouts,highway),and this will affect the normal duty cycle of your vc.> See what's on at the movies in your area. Find out now: http://au.movies.yahoo.com/session-times/
--- In Syncro_T3_Australia@yahoogroups.com, Michael Rayner <mrayner51@...> wrote:
>
> I'm confused. If you all have operational VC's and not solid shaft then why in hell do you want to fit a decoupler. Did'nt VW drop the production of decouplers when they chose to go down the VC route? Can a decoupler be fitted to a non diff lock syncro?
> Regards
>
>
> Michael
>
>
>
> __________________________________________________________
>
On Tue, Dec 15, 2009 at 5:05 AM, Michael Rayner <mrayner51@yahoo.com> wrote:
I'm confused. If you all have operational VC's and not solid shaft then why in hell do you want to fit a decoupler. Did'nt VW drop the production of decouplers when they chose to go down the VC route? Can a decoupler be fitted to a non diff lock syncro?
Regards
Michael
For me, the decoupler is good for two things.
1) temporarily disconnecting the front drive when you are unable to find a suitable spare tyre
2) keeping the VC offline when i need 2wd.
--
BenT
On 16/12/2009, at 8:53 AM, Francesca Coles wrote:Good luck with draining your piggy banks to purchase decouplers. I think you'll find Syncro Services is the slightly cheaper source, even allowing for the high Aussie dollar vs the Greenback, and shipping rates from Europe may well be cheaper too.
Francesca.On Wed, Dec 16, 2009 at 8:07 AM, bencroft96 <bencroft96@yahoo. com> wrote:
Micheal,I want to fit a decoupler so I can keep my vc operational as long as possible,I drive around city and highway(11 months of year)without driveshaft,so a decoupler will eliminate me climbing underneath when mates call up for a day off-road.
Because of the vcs design it does transmit torque to front wheels sometimes when it is not needed(parking, roundabouts, highway), and this will affect the normal duty cycle of your vc.> See what's on at the movies in your area. Find out now: http://au.movies. yahoo.com/ session-times/
--- In Syncro_T3_Australia @yahoogroups. com, Michael Rayner <mrayner51@.. .> wrote:
>
> I'm confused. If you all have operational VC's and not solid shaft then why in hell do you want to fit a decoupler. Did'nt VW drop the production of decouplers when they chose to go down the VC route? Can a decoupler be fitted to a non diff lock syncro?
> Regards
>
>
> Michael
>
>
>
> ____________ _________ _________ _________ _________ _________ _
>
-----Original Message-----
From: Syncro_T3_Australia@yahoogroups.com [mailto:Syncro_T3_Australia@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Gary Cookson
Sent: Wednesday, 16 December 2009 11:15 a.m.
To: Syncro_T3_Australia@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [Syncro_T3_Australia] Re: de couplerAccording to the currency traders who share my office the Aussie dollar is not likely to rise from here so now is the time to buy (It is now steadily falling against the US from its peak about 3 weeks ago). Any sign of a US recovery and it will start to fall more rapidly.
Gary
[2 0 / 2 1 Design]
28 Gwynne St
Richmond
Vic 3121
gary@twentytwentyon e.net
www.twentytwentyone .net
Tel 3 9429 1868
Fax 3 9421 1110
Mob 0417 352782
On 16/12/2009, at 8:53 AM, Francesca Coles wrote:
Good luck with draining your piggy banks to purchase decouplers. I think you'll find Syncro Services is the slightly cheaper source, even allowing for the high Aussie dollar vs the Greenback, and shipping rates from Europe may well be cheaper too.
Francesca.
On Wed, Dec 16, 2009 at 8:07 AM, bencroft96 <bencroft96@yahoo. com> wrote:
Micheal,I want to fit a decoupler so I can keep my vc operational as long as possible,I drive around city and highway(11 months of year)without driveshaft,so a decoupler will eliminate me climbing underneath when mates call up for a day off-road.
Because of the vcs design it does transmit torque to front wheels sometimes when it is not needed(parking, roundabouts, highway), and this will affect the normal duty cycle of your vc.> See what's on at the movies in your area. Find out now: http://au.movies. yahoo.com/ session-times/
--- In Syncro_T3_Australia @yahoogroups. com, Michael Rayner <mrayner51@.. .> wrote:
>
> I'm confused. If you all have operational VC's and not solid shaft then why in hell do you want to fit a decoupler. Did'nt VW drop the production of decouplers when they chose to go down the VC route? Can a decoupler be fitted to a non diff lock syncro?
> Regards
>
>
> Michael
>
>
>
> ____________ _________ _________ _________ _________ _________ _
>
-----Original Message-----
From: Syncro_T3_Australia @yahoogroups. com [mailto:Syncro_ T3_Australia@ yahoogroups. com] On Behalf Of Gary Cookson
Sent: Wednesday, 16 December 2009 11:15 a.m.
To: Syncro_T3_Australia @yahoogroups. com
Subject: Re: [Syncro_T3_Australi a] Re: de couplerAccording to the currency traders who share my office the Aussie dollar is not likely to rise from here so now is the time to buy (It is now steadily falling against the US from its peak about 3 weeks ago). Any sign of a US recovery and it will start to fall more rapidly.Gary
[2 0 / 2 1 Design]
28 Gwynne St
Richmond
Vic 3121
gary@twentytwentyon e.net
www.twentytwentyone .net
Tel 3 9429 1868
Fax 3 9421 1110
Mob 0417 352782
On 16/12/2009, at 8:53 AM, Francesca Coles wrote:
Good luck with draining your piggy banks to purchase decouplers. I think you'll find Syncro Services is the slightly cheaper source, even allowing for the high Aussie dollar vs the Greenback, and shipping rates from Europe may well be cheaper too.
Francesca.
On Wed, Dec 16, 2009 at 8:07 AM, bencroft96 <bencroft96@yahoo. com> wrote:
Micheal,I want to fit a decoupler so I can keep my vc operational as long as possible,I drive around city and highway(11 months of year)without driveshaft,so a decoupler will eliminate me climbing underneath when mates call up for a day off-road.
Because of the vcs design it does transmit torque to front wheels sometimes when it is not needed(parking, roundabouts, highway), and this will affect the normal duty cycle of your vc.
> See what's on at the movies in your area. Find out now: http://au.movies. yahoo.com/ session-times/
--- In Syncro_T3_Australia @yahoogroups. com, Michael Rayner <mrayner51@.. .> wrote:
>
> I'm confused. If you all have operational VC's and not solid shaft then why in hell do you want to fit a decoupler. Did'nt VW drop the production of decouplers when they chose to go down the VC route? Can a decoupler be fitted to a non diff lock syncro?
> Regards
>
>
> Michael
>
>
>
> ____________ _________ _________ _________ _________ _________ _
>
--- In Syncro_T3_Australia@yahoogroups.com, Michael Rayner <mrayner51@...> wrote:
>
> I'm confused. If you all have operational VC's and not solid shaft then why in hell do you want to fit a decoupler. Did'nt VW drop the production of decouplers when they chose to go down the VC route? Can a decoupler be fitted to a non diff lock syncro?
> Regards
>
>
> Michael
>
>
>
> __________________________________________________________________________________
> See what's on at the movies in your area. Find out now: http://au.movies.yahoo.com/session-times/
>
Fools rush in…. I am going to stop answering this question one day…..
VAG/Steyr Puch designed an all wheel drive system that was then (and still is) unique and put it in a multi-purpose vehicle, the Kombi/Transporter. Their intention was to achieve the best road holding and grip over a very wide variety of road and off-road conditions. And they did this in a very large and heavy vehicle.
They wanted a vehicle that would achieve these high levels without needing any input from the driver and they succeeded. They realized that, to achieve these levels, it did not need a reduction box, which was heavy, bulky and very expensive. They settled for one very low gear (G gear) as being more than adequate to get the vehicle anywhere a reasonable person would need or want to go. It was never intended to rush up moraines or climb cliffs – there were already plenty of vehicles that could do that and none of them were the size and comfort of the Kombi/Transporter.
The result is our Syncro, immensely strong, very stable, go anywhere one could reasonably want to go.
Twenty years down the track, we know that the VC can become aggressive – it kicks in very much earlier than an as-new VC. This is not a bad thing and in fact many of us prefer this to the standard VC in terms of improved handling and braking. But it comes with a downside. Full lock turns on a grippy surface will produce binding in the drive train which can be both heard and felt. The load on the drivetrain is immense and will lead to premature wear/failure of the drivetrain.
The solution is the decoupler. Disengage for the full lock stuff, engage for everything else. It has a side benefit of allowing the vehicle to be driven with mismatched tyre sizes, otherwise a guaranteed path to expensive driveline failures. The principal benefit is to get you home with one totally mismatched wheel after a tyre/wheel failure far from home. In extreme cases, not a few people have driven a long way to get home with no rear half shafts following catastrophic failure – it drives the front wheels only.
The decoupler is not affected by having/not having diff locks.
Les
From:
Syncro_T3_Australia@yahoogroups.com
[mailto: Syncro_T3_Australia@yahoogroups.com ]
On Behalf Of bergodaz
Sent: 16 December 2009 17:46
To: Syncro_T3_Australia@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [Syncro_T3_Australia] Re:
de coupler
Miichael,I too dont get the whole de coupler thing .
My van is currently running a 2wd gbox while rhe rebiult syncro box awaits its
owner to install it.I feel it drives like a lightweight japanese van & not
like the rock solid feel Im used to.In the 16 years of syncro ownership I have
never been left stranded due to lack of grip on snowy roads or slippery, muddy
fire trails and mine doesnt have diff locks.For me it seems the perfect balance
for on & off road.
--- In Syncro_T3_Australia @yahoogroups. com,
Michael Rayner <mrayner51@. ..> wrote:
>why in hell do you want to fit a decoupler. Did'nt VW drop the production of decouplers when they chose to go down the VC route? Can a decoupler be fitted to a non diff lock syncro?
> I'm confused. If you all have operational VC's and not solid shaft then
> Regardshref="http://au.movies.yahoo.com/session-times/">http://au.movies. yahoo.com/ session-times/
>
>
> Michael
>
>
>
> ____________ _________ _________ _________ _________ _________ _
> See what's on at the movies in your area. Find out now:
>
Les , don’t stop” one day” -- stop today ! Keep the blog in your draft box and just kick it out next time. We do need your experience as much as decouplers in our vehicles.
Two things of interest firstly on my Type 166 4x4 could only be engaged in 1st gear
Type 82 was unique too, just so typical VW, when you experienced 2 flat tyres, you stuck the spare on to the front end and continued for home. I once made it home in the middle of night
trough the African Veldt. hartmut
From: Syncro_T3_Australia@yahoogroups.com
[mailto:Syncro_T3_Australia@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Les Harris
Sent: Wednesday, 16 December 2009 6:43 PM
To: Syncro_T3_Australia@yahoogroups.com
Subject: RE: [Syncro_T3_Australia] Re: de coupler
Fools rush in…. I am going to stop answering this question one day…..
VAG/Steyr Puch designed an all wheel drive system that was then (and still is) unique and put it in a multi-purpose vehicle, the Kombi/Transporter. Their intention was to achieve the best road holding and grip over a very wide variety of road and off-road conditions. And they did this in a very large and heavy vehicle.
They wanted a vehicle that would achieve these high levels without needing any input from the driver and they succeeded. They realized that, to achieve these levels, it did not need a reduction box, which was heavy, bulky and very expensive. They settled for one very low gear (G gear) as being more than adequate to get the vehicle anywhere a reasonable person would need or want to go. It was never intended to rush up moraines or climb cliffs – there were already plenty of vehicles that could do that and none of them were the size and comfort of the Kombi/Transporter.
The result is our Syncro, immensely strong, very stable, go anywhere one could reasonably want to go.
Twenty years down the track, we know that the VC can become aggressive – it kicks in very much earlier than an as-new VC. This is not a bad thing and in fact many of us prefer this to the standard VC in terms of improved handling and braking. But it comes with a downside. Full lock turns on a grippy surface will produce binding in the drive train which can be both heard and felt. The load on the drivetrain is immense and will lead to premature wear/failure of the drivetrain.
The solution is the decoupler. Disengage for the full lock stuff, engage for everything else. It has a side benefit of allowing the vehicle to be driven with mismatched tyre sizes, otherwise a guaranteed path to expensive driveline failures. The principal benefit is to get you home with one totally mismatched wheel after a tyre/wheel failure far from home. In extreme cases, not a few people have driven a long way to get home with no rear half shafts following catastrophic failure – it drives the front wheels only.
The decoupler is not affected by having/not having diff locks.
Les
From:
Syncro_T3_Australia@yahoogroups.com
[mailto:Syncro_T3_Australia@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of bergodaz
Sent: 16 December 2009 17:46
To: Syncro_T3_Australia@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [Syncro_T3_Australia] Re: de coupler
Miichael,I too dont get the whole de coupler thing . My van is currently
running a 2wd gbox while rhe rebiult syncro box awaits its owner to install
it.I feel it drives like a lightweight japanese van & not like the rock
solid feel Im used to.In the 16 years of syncro ownership I have never been
left stranded due to lack of grip on snowy roads or slippery, muddy fire trails
and mine doesnt have diff locks.For me it seems the perfect balance for on
& off road.
--- In Syncro_T3_Australia@yahoogroups.com,
Michael Rayner <mrayner51@...> wrote:
>why in hell do you want to fit a decoupler. Did'nt VW drop the production of decouplers when they chose to go down the VC route? Can a decoupler be fitted to a non diff lock syncro?
> I'm confused. If you all have operational VC's and not solid shaft then
> Regardshref="http://au.movies.yahoo.com/session-times/">http://au.movies.yahoo.com/session-times/
>
>
> Michael
>
>
>
> __________________________________________________________
> See what's on at the movies in your area. Find out now:
>