re: German decouplers from USA

21
What about German?



> bencroft96 <bencroft96@yahoo.com> wrote:
>
> Is anyone running one of these usa decouplers,because they are still
> dearer than the ones you can get from South Africa but,the SouthAfrican
> ones require machining of the nose cone.Does anyone know who can do this
> machining and how much it is worth.You can get one from the Syncro
> Hospital for about 2G Oz.Anyone who has bought one from either country
> let us all know,as the way the dollar is it is a good time to get one.If
> the yank ones are any good,I suspect it would be better to go one,I dont
> know?Can anyone help.
>
> --- In Syncro_T3_Australia@yahoogroups.com, "theoweiss" <teows@...>
> wrote:
> >
> > Hello everyone,
> >
> > I would like to make a comment about the decoupler from USA.
> > The picture from "TheSamba" Site looks like identical to the one I
> bought from "Syncro Services" in Germany. You can just see the needle
> bearing for the drive pinion and also the little centralising tube.
> > My guess is that he was able to buy the decouplers from the same
> factory as "Syncro Services".
> >
> > My german Transporter book tells me, up to 11/90 you could buy either
> the VC coupling or the decoupler for the Syncro.
> > However,on the SYNCRO.ORG site: http://www.syncro.org/disengager.shtml
>
> > it tells a different story. (It never made it into production).
> >
> > Cheers,
> > Theo
> >
22
> Regarding the factory (cable operated) decoupler, I have unearthed some
> information that I will post tomorrow.

> Les

Don't worry about the information as the new DVD will be out soon with all of the factory information on it.

Phill
23

Hi Les,

 

Maybe it was me who brought in the 10 or so decouplers. A guy by name of Matthias Dinkelmeyer (Mel) bought them from Bernd Jaeger and received a 15% discount for group buying.

Also BJ discounted the full amount of VAT (presently 19%), so these things became rather affordable. It took me roughly an hour to install mine, Phill got one too, don’t know how long he took to fit

The thing, poss. a bit longer, as he would have recorded all the part #s first, so that WE have them when WE need them. Thanks Phill  !    hartmut

 

From: Syncro_T3_Australia@yahoogroups.com [mailto:Syncro_T3_Australia@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Les Harris
Sent: Tuesday, 15 December 2009 10:06 PM
To: Syncro_T3_Australia@yahoogroups.com
Subject: RE: [Syncro_T3_Australia] Re: German decouplers from USA

 

 

Five or so years ago, we did a group purchase of decouplers from Germany.  These were complete kits, starting from the nosecone and including vacuum actuator, plumbing and vacuum valve.  I have lost track of who got them but I believe that all were fitted.  They were all the needle roller type.

 

I haven’t been following this thread but Mike Plompen (busman.be) is selling a similar kit for Euro 795 but based on a change-over nose cone.

 

Regarding the factory (cable operated) decoupler, I have unearthed some information that I will post tomorrow.

 

Les

 

From: Syncro_T3_Australia@yahoogroups.com [mailto:Syncro_T3_Australia@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Gary Cookson
Sent: 15 December 2009 21:49
To: Syncro_T3_Australia@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [Syncro_T3_Australia] Re: German decouplers from USA

 

 

these ones require machining also, you have to return your nose cone or pay a $250 core charge

[2 0 / 2 1 Design]
28 Gwynne St
Richmond
Vic 3121
gary@twentytwentyone.net
www.twentytwentyone.net
Tel 3 9429 1868
Fax 3 9421 1110
Mob 0417 352782

 

On 15/12/2009, at 9:18 PM, bencroft96 wrote:




 

Is anyone running one of these usa decouplers,because they are still dearer than the ones you can get from South Africa but,the SouthAfrican ones require machining of the nose cone.Does anyone know who can do this machining and how much it is worth.You can get one from the Syncro Hospital for about 2G Oz.Anyone who has bought one from either country let us all know,as the way the dollar is it is a good time to get one.If the yank ones are any good,I suspect it would be better to go one,I dont know?Can anyone help.

--- In Syncro_T3_Australia@yahoogroups.com, "theoweiss" <teows@...> wrote:

>
> Hello everyone,
>
> I would like to make a comment about the decoupler from USA.
> The picture from "TheSamba" Site looks like identical to the one
I bought from "Syncro Services" in Germany. You can just see the needle bearing for the drive pinion and also the little centralising tube.
> My guess is that he was able to buy the decouplers from the same factory
as "Syncro Services".
>
> My german Transporter book tells me, up to 11/90 you could buy either the
VC coupling or the decoupler for the Syncro.
> However,on the SYNCRO.ORG site:
href="http://www.syncro.org/disengager.shtml">http://www.syncro.org/disengager.shtml
> it tells a different story. (It never made it into production).
>
> Cheers,
> Theo
>

 

24

Phill,

Does this include:

  • VAG Publication 500.2808.81.20, V.A.G Service – Volkswagen Transporter and Caravelle Syncro – Construction and Operation – Self Study Programme/No 66,
  • dated “Technical state as at January 1985.”

This is an interesting publication because it bears the following: “Only for internal use within the V.A.G Organization”. It states that the Syncro will be available with an optional decoupler. 

From this, the question arises: are there any brochures (with VAG publication numbers) that confirm that this optional decoupler was offered to customers?

Les

 

From: Syncro_T3_Australia@yahoogroups.com [mailto: Syncro_T3_Australia@yahoogroups.com ] On Behalf Of plander@optusnet.com.au
Sent: 16 December 2009 07:13
To: Syncro_T3_Australia@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: RE: [Syncro_T3_Australia] Re: German decouplers from USA

 

 


> Regarding the factory (cable operated) decoupler, I have unearthed some
> information that I will post tomorrow.

> Les

Don't worry about the information as the new DVD will be out soon with all of the factory information on it.

Phill

25

Phill,

The vacuum actuator appears at the bottom left of the diagram.

Les

 

From: Syncro_T3_Australia@yahoogroups.com [mailto: Syncro_T3_Australia@yahoogroups.com ] On Behalf Of plander@optusnet.com.au
Sent: 16 December 2009 06:38
To: Syncro_T3_Australia@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: RE: [Syncro_T3_Australia] re: German decouplers from USA

 

 

The control system is not shown.

> Yurik Orlowsky <yuriko@iinet. net.au>
wrote:
>
> Phill,
>
> Attached is a drawing of a decoupler with part numbers - could this be
> the
> "original VW design" referred to?
>
> Yurik
>
>
>
> From: Syncro_T3_Australia @yahoogroups. com
> [mailto:Syncro_T3_Australia @yahoogroups. com]
On Behalf Of
> plander@optusnet. com.au
> Sent: Tuesday, 15 December 2009 9:13 AM
> To: Syncro_T3_Australia @yahoogroups. com
> Subject: Re: [Syncro_T3_Australi a] re: German decouplers from
w:st="on"> USA
>
>
>
>
>
> "These decouplers are an exact replica of the original vw
design"
> What a load of crap! None of them are a replica of the original vw
> design.
>
> > Ken Garratt <unclekenz@hotmail. com
<mailto:unclekenz% 40hotmail. com> >
> wrote:
> >
> >
> > All,
> >
> > Wow this looks cheap or am I missing something besides shipping
costs?
> >
> > Worth recording this link in our forum files?
> >
> > Goto:
href="http://www.thesamba.com/vw/classifieds/detail.php?id=892286">http://www.thesamba .com/vw/classifi eds/detail. php?id=892286
> >
> > Cheers.
> >
> > Ken
> >
> > ____________ _________ _________ _________ _________ _________ _
> > A world FIRST in property search has arrived! Check out Domain Radar
> > NOW!
> > http://clk.atdmt. com/NMN/go/ 157631292/ direct/01/

26
Yes but the bits that actuate the vacuum actuator are not shown. (cable, valve, gear linkage etc.



> Les Harris <leslieharris@optusnet.com.au> wrote:
>
Phill,

The vacuum actuator appears at the bottom left of the diagram.

Les



_____

From: Syncro_T3_Australia@yahoogroups.com
[mailto:Syncro_T3_Australia@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of
plander@optusnet.com.au
Sent: 16 December 2009 06:38
To: Syncro_T3_Australia@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: RE: [Syncro_T3_Australia] re: German decouplers from USA





The control system is not shown.

> Yurik Orlowsky <yuriko@iinet. <mailto:yuriko%40iinet.net.au> net.au>
wrote:
>
> Phill,
>
> Attached is a drawing of a decoupler with part numbers - could this be
> the
> "original VW design" referred to?
>
> Yurik
>
>
>
> From: Syncro_T3_Australia <mailto:Syncro_T3_Australia%40yahoogroups.com>
@yahoogroups.com
> [mailto:Syncro_T3_Australia <mailto:Syncro_T3_Australia%40yahoogroups.com>
@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of
> plander@optusnet. <mailto:plander%40optusnet.com.au> com.au
> Sent: Tuesday, 15 December 2009 9:13 AM
> To: Syncro_T3_Australia <mailto:Syncro_T3_Australia%40yahoogroups.com>
@yahoogroups.com
> Subject: Re: [Syncro_T3_Australia] re: German decouplers from USA
>
>
>
>
>
> "These decouplers are an exact replica of the original vw design"
> What a load of crap! None of them are a replica of the original vw
> design.
>
> > Ken Garratt <unclekenz@hotmail. <mailto:unclekenz%40hotmail.com> com
<mailto:unclekenz%40hotmail.com> >
> wrote:
> >
> >
> > All,
> >
> > Wow this looks cheap or am I missing something besides shipping costs?
> >
> > Worth recording this link in our forum files?
> >
> > Goto: http://www.thesamba
<http://www.thesamba.com/vw/classifieds/detail.php?id=892286>
.com/vw/classifieds/detail.php?id=892286
> >
> > Cheers.
> >
> > Ken
> >
> > __________________________________________________________
> > A world FIRST in property search has arrived! Check out Domain Radar
> > NOW!
> > http://clk.atdmt <http://clk.atdmt.com/NMN/go/157631292/direct/01/>
com/NMN/go/157631292/direct/01/
27
> From this, the question arises: are there any brochures (with VAG
> publication numbers) that confirm that this optional decoupler was
> offered to customers?
>
> Les
>

Yes, there are.
28

Phill,

I am very relieved to hear that because I can’t find any mention of it in two publications widely distributed by VW dealers at the time:

  • 965/1191.26.26 dated 8/89
  • 765/1190.26.18 dated 8/87

Since it isn’t on either of these, I am obviously way off course.  Please tell me where I got it wrong.

Les

 

From: Syncro_T3_Australia@yahoogroups.com [mailto: Syncro_T3_Australia@yahoogroups.com ] On Behalf Of plander@optusnet.com.au
Sent: 16 December 2009 11:49
To: Syncro_T3_Australia@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [Syncro_T3_Australia] VAG Decouplers

 

 



> From this, the question arises: are there any brochures (with VAG
> publication numbers) that confirm that this optional decoupler was
> offered to customers?
>
> Les
>

Yes, there are.

29
> Les Harris <leslieharris@optusnet.com.au> wrote:
>
> Phill,
>
> I am very relieved to hear that because I can't find any mention of it
> in
> two publications widely distributed by VW dealers at the time:
>
> * 965/1191.26.26 dated 8/89
> * 765/1190.26.18 dated 8/87
>
> Since it isn't on either of these, I am obviously way off course.
> Please
> tell me where I got it wrong.
>
> Les
>


They were Australian distributed brochures.
30

Theo,

This is the first mention of this option appearing in a VAG publication other than the one I quoted. 

Phill believes that this was a secret option that never appeared in any Volkswagen sales brochures (yes, I know, a secret option is an oxymoron) and there is certainly no mention of it in VAG brochures distributed in Australia at the time of release or in the owner’s handbook that came with the new vehicles in Australia .

Does your German Transporter book carry a VAG publication number?  I would like to see a translation of the relevant passage in the publication you are referring to. 

Les

From: Syncro_T3_Australia@yahoogroups.com [mailto: Syncro_T3_Australia@yahoogroups.com ] On Behalf Of theoweiss
Sent: 15 December 2009 19:08
To: Syncro_T3_Australia@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [Syncro_T3_Australia] Re: German decouplers from USA

 

Hello everyone,

My German Transporter book tells me, up to 11/90, you could buy either the VC coupling or the decoupler for the Syncro.
However,on the SYNCRO.ORG site: http://www.syncro. org/disengager. shtml
it tells a different story. (It never made it into production).

Cheers,
Theo

31

Phill,

The diagram from Yurik is from publication 500.2808.81.20 (page 29).  Succeeding pages (30-33) show that the vacuum actuator is eventually controlled by a knob and Bowden cable, via a pneumatic valve on the gearbox.  The pneumatic valve also responds to a shift rod so that 4WD is engaged when G gear is selected.

 

Yurik,

As a matter of interest, did you get the diagram from a VAG publication or is it something you picked up elsewhere?

Les

 

From: Syncro_T3_Australia@yahoogroups.com [mailto: Syncro_T3_Australia@yahoogroups.com ] On Behalf Of plander@optusnet.com.au
Sent: 16 December 2009 11:47
To: Syncro_T3_Australia@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: RE: RE: [Syncro_T3_Australia] re: German decouplers from USA

 

 

Yes but the bits that actuate the vacuum actuator are not shown. (cable, valve, gear linkage etc.

> Les Harris <leslieharris@ optusnet. com.au>
wrote:
>
Phill,

The vacuum actuator appears at the bottom left of the diagram.

Les

_____

From: Syncro_T3_Australia @yahoogroups. com
[mailto:Syncro_T3_Australia @yahoogroups. com] On Behalf Of
plander@optusnet. com.au
Sent: 16 December 2009 06:38
To: Syncro_T3_Australia @yahoogroups. com
Subject: Re: RE: [Syncro_T3_Australi a] re: German decouplers from USA

The control system is not shown.

> Yurik Orlowsky <yuriko@iinet. <mailto:yuriko% 40iinet.net. au>
net.au>
wrote:
>
> Phill,
>
> Attached is a drawing of a decoupler with part numbers - could this be
> the
> "original VW design" referred to?
>
> Yurik
>
>
>
> From: Syncro_T3_Australia <mailto:Syncro_ T3_Australia% 40yahoogroups. com>
@yahoogroups. com
> [mailto:Syncro_ T3_Australia <mailto:Syncro_ T3_Australia% 40yahoogroups. com>
@yahoogroups. com] On Behalf Of
> plander@optusnet. <mailto:plander% 40optusnet. com.au>
com.au
> Sent: Tuesday, 15 December 2009 9:13 AM
> To: Syncro_T3_Australia <mailto:Syncro_ T3_Australia% 40yahoogroups. com>
@yahoogroups. com
> Subject: Re: [Syncro_T3_Australi a] re: German decouplers from
w:st="on"> USA
>
>
>
>
>
> "These decouplers are an exact replica of the original vw
design"
> What a load of crap! None of them are a replica of the original vw
> design.
>
> > Ken Garratt <unclekenz@hotmail. <mailto:unclekenz% 40hotmail. com>
com
<mailto:unclekenz% 40hotmail. com> >
> wrote:
> >
> >
> > All,
> >
> > Wow this looks cheap or am I missing something besides shipping
costs?
> >
> > Worth recording this link in our forum files?
> >
> > Goto: http://www.thesamba
<http://www.thesamba .com/vw/classifi eds/detail. php?id=892286>
.com/vw/classifieds /detail.php? id=892286
> >
> > Cheers.
> >
> > Ken
> >
> > ____________ _________ _________ _________ _________ _________ _
> > A world FIRST in property search has arrived! Check out Domain Radar
> > NOW!
> > http://clk.atdmt. <
href="http://clk.atdmt.com/NMN/go/157631292/direct/01/">http://clk.atdmt. com/NMN/go/ 157631292/ direct/01/>
com/NMN/go/15763129 2/direct/ 01/

32

 Les,

                

The diagram was sent to me when I purchased a decoupler from SA.  It is also illustrated at  http://www.syncro.org/disengager.shtml.  Also it shows an “EKTA” type diagram which looks like it’s out of a VAG publication. (Attached) – very interesting.

 

Yurik

 

From: Syncro_T3_Australia@yahoogroups.com [mailto:Syncro_T3_Australia@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Les Harris
Sent: Thursday, 17 December 2009 11:29 AM
To: Syncro_T3_Australia@yahoogroups.com
Subject: RE: RE: RE: [Syncro_T3_Australia] re: German decouplers from USA

 

 

Phill,

The diagram from Yurik is from publication 500.2808.81.20 (page 29).  Succeeding pages (30-33) show that the vacuum actuator is eventually controlled by a knob and Bowden cable, via a pneumatic valve on the gearbox.  The pneumatic valve also responds to a shift rod so that 4WD is engaged when G gear is selected.

 

Yurik,

As a matter of interest, did you get the diagram from a VAG publication or is it something you picked up elsewhere?

Les

 

From: Syncro_T3_Australia@yahoogroups.com [mailto:Syncro_T3_Australia@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of plander@optusnet.com.au
Sent: 16 December 2009 11:47
To: Syncro_T3_Australia@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: RE: RE: [Syncro_T3_Australia] re: German decouplers from USA

 

 

Yes but the bits that actuate the vacuum actuator are not shown. (cable, valve, gear linkage etc.

> Les Harris <leslieharris@optusnet.com.au>
wrote:
>
Phill,

The vacuum actuator appears at the bottom left of the diagram.

Les

_____

From: Syncro_T3_Australia@yahoogroups.com
[mailto:Syncro_T3_Australia@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of
plander@optusnet.com.au
Sent: 16 December 2009 06:38
To: Syncro_T3_Australia@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: RE: [Syncro_T3_Australia] re: German decouplers from USA

The control system is not shown.

> Yurik Orlowsky <yuriko@iinet. <mailto:yuriko%40iinet.net.au>
net.au>
wrote:
>
> Phill,
>
> Attached is a drawing of a decoupler with part numbers - could this be
> the
> "original VW design" referred to?
>
> Yurik
>
>
>
> From: Syncro_T3_Australia <mailto:Syncro_T3_Australia%40yahoogroups.com>
@yahoogroups.com
> [mailto:Syncro_T3_Australia <mailto:Syncro_T3_Australia%40yahoogroups.com>
@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of
> plander@optusnet. <mailto:plander%40optusnet.com.au> com.au
> Sent: Tuesday, 15 December 2009 9:13 AM
> To: Syncro_T3_Australia <mailto:Syncro_T3_Australia%40yahoogroups.com>
@yahoogroups.com
> Subject: Re: [Syncro_T3_Australia] re: German decouplers from USA
>
>
>
>
>
> "These decouplers are an exact replica of the original vw
design"
> What a load of crap! None of them are a replica of the original vw
> design.
>
> > Ken Garratt <unclekenz@hotmail. <mailto:unclekenz%40hotmail.com>
com
<mailto:unclekenz%40hotmail.com> >
> wrote:
> >
> >
> > All,
> >
> > Wow this looks cheap or am I missing something besides shipping
costs?
> >
> > Worth recording this link in our forum files?
> >
> > Goto: http://www.thesamba
<http://www.thesamba.com/vw/classifieds/detail.php?id=892286>
.com/vw/classifieds/detail.php?id=892286
> >
> > Cheers.
> >
> > Ken
> >
> > __________________________________________________________
> > A world FIRST in property search has arrived! Check out Domain Radar
> > NOW!
> > http://clk.atdmt. <
href="http://clk.atdmt.com/NMN/go/157631292/direct/01/">http://clk.atdmt.com/NMN/go/157631292/direct/01/>
com/NMN/go/157631292/direct/01/

33
Les,
I have that original self study publication no. 66 ... it's what I used to scan and make a set of jpg files that Phill now has.
For what it's worth, having the 4WD (solid shaft) automatically engaging as described whenever selecting G gear would be a pain ... there are times when I use G gear in 2WD ... low revs and on hard surfaces. I find it very useful.
Ken
 
To: Syncro_T3_Australia@yahoogroups.com
From: leslieharris@optusnet.com.au
Date: Thu, 17 Dec 2009 14:28:40 +1100
Subject: RE: RE: RE: [Syncro_T3_Australia] re: German decouplers from USA

 

Phill,

The diagram from Yurik is from publication 500.2808.81. 20 (page 29).  Succeeding pages (30-33) show that the vacuum actuator is eventually controlled by a knob and Bowden cable, via a pneumatic valve on the gearbox.  The pneumatic valve also responds to a shift rod so that 4WD is engaged when G gear is selected.

 

Yurik,

As a matter of interest, did you get the diagram from a VAG publication or is it something you picked up elsewhere?

Les

 

From: Syncro_T3_Australia @yahoogroups. com [mailto:Syncro_T3_Australia @yahoogroups. com] On Behalf Of plander@optusnet. com.au
Sent: 16 December 2009 11:47
To: Syncro_T3_Australia @yahoogroups. com
Subject: Re: RE: RE: [Syncro_T3_Australi a] re: German decouplers from USA

 

 

Yes but the bits that actuate the vacuum actuator are not shown. (cable, valve, gear linkage etc.

> Les Harris <leslieharris@ optusnet. com.au> wrote:
>
Phill,

The vacuum actuator appears at the bottom left of the diagram.

Les

_____

From: Syncro_T3_Australia @yahoogroups. com
[mailto:Syncro_T3_Australia @yahoogroups. com] On Behalf Of
plander@optusnet. com.au
Sent: 16 December 2009 06:38
To: Syncro_T3_Australia @yahoogroups. com
Subject: Re: RE: [Syncro_T3_Australi a] re: German decouplers from USA

The control system is not shown.

> Yurik Orlowsky <yuriko@iinet. <mailto:yuriko% 40iinet.net. au> net.au>
wrote:
>
> Phill,
>
> Attached is a drawing of a decoupler with part numbers - could this be
> the
> "original VW design" referred to?
>
> Yurik
>
>
>
> From: Syncro_T3_Australia <mailto:Syncro_ T3_Australia% 40yahoogroups. com>
@yahoogroups. com
> [mailto:Syncro_ T3_Australia <mailto:Syncro_ T3_Australia% 40yahoogroups. com>
@yahoogroups. com] On Behalf Of
> plander@optusnet. <mailto:plander% 40optusnet. com.au> com.au
> Sent: Tuesday, 15 December 2009 9:13 AM
> To: Syncro_T3_Australia <mailto:Syncro_ T3_Australia% 40yahoogroups. com>
@yahoogroups. com
> Subject: Re: [Syncro_T3_Australi a] re: German decouplers from USA
>
>
>
>
>
> "These decouplers are an exact replica of the original vw design"
> What a load of crap! None of them are a replica of the original vw
> design.
>
> > Ken Garratt <unclekenz@hotmail. <mailto:unclekenz% 40hotmail. com> com
<mailto:unclekenz% 40hotmail. com> >
> wrote:
> >
> >
> > All,
> >
> > Wow this looks cheap or am I missing something besides shipping costs?
> >
> > Worth recording this link in our forum files?
> >
> > Goto: http://www.thesamba
<http://www.thesamba .com/vw/classifi eds/detail. php?id=892286>
.com/vw/classifieds /detail.php? id=892286
> >
> > Cheers.
> >
> > Ken
> >
> > ____________ _________ _________ _________ _________ _________ _
> > A world FIRST in property search has arrived! Check out Domain Radar
> > NOW!
> > http://clk.atdmt. <http://clk.atdmt. com/NMN/go/ 157631292/ direct/01/>
com/NMN/go/15763129 2/direct/ 01/


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34
> Phill believes that this was a secret option that never appeared in any
> Volkswagen sales brochures

Sorry Les, that should read Australian sales brochures.
35
> The diagram from Yurik is from publication 500.2808.81.20 (page 29).
> Succeeding pages (30-33) show that the vacuum actuator is eventually
> controlled by a knob and Bowden cable, via a pneumatic valve on the
> gearbox.
> The pneumatic valve also responds to a shift rod so that 4WD is engaged
> when
> G gear is selected.
>
>


That sounds correct.

Les,

What options were available then??

Just because it wasn't in the Australian brochure doesn't mean it wasn't available. eg radio

I have a towbar, and that wasn't listed.

What about front diff locks?
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That illustraion is out of the genuine workshop manual whick Les will have in a few days.



> The diagram was sent to me when I purchased a decoupler from SA. It is
> also
> illustrated at http://www.syncro.org/disengager.shtml. Also it shows
> an
> "EKTA" type diagram which looks like it's out of a VAG publication.
> (Attached) - very interesting.
>
>
>
> Yurik
>
>
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> This is the first mention of this option appearing in a VAG publication
> other than the one I quoted.
>
> Phill believes that this was a secret option that never appeared in any
> Volkswagen sales brochures

Here is a 1990 VAG options list jpg.

The first one is the decoupler. (M1)






(yes, I know, a secret option is an oxymoron)

Not for Volkswagen Australia.
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Phill,

They bear VAG Publication numbers and are printed in Germany .  The full attributions are as follows:

  • 765.1190.26.18 . Printed in Germany . Specifications subject to change without notice . 8/87
  • 965/1191.26.26 . Printed in Germany . Specifications subject to change without notice . 8/89

The 965/ publication also carries the following:

  • Ateco Industries Pty. Limited, Australian Importer and Distributor, 4 Harvey Road , Marayong, NSW 2148, Tel: (02) 831 2600, Telex: AA 25265, Fax: (02) 831 1893.  

In the 765/ publication, I cannot find anything that indicates that it is Australia only, particularly when all the vehicles illustrated are left hand drive.  The 965/ publication shows mainly right hand drive vehicles.  From the point of view of trying to unravel the disengageable 4WD option puzzle, I regard these as official VAG publications.

A hand at the moment, I have three more publications, one of which is a VAG publication (865/1190.26.18 Printed in Germany Subject to change Issue: August ‘988) and the other two do not carry a VAG publication number.  In terms of looking for definitive information, I would not regard the latter two as being reliable in terms of official VAG information.

I wait with interest to see what Theo can add by way of official publication number of the book he was quoting.

Les

 

From: Syncro_T3_Australia@yahoogroups.com [mailto: Syncro_T3_Australia@yahoogroups.com ] On Behalf Of plander@optusnet.com.au
Sent: 17 December 2009 21:02
To: Syncro_T3_Australia@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: RE: [Syncro_T3_Australia] Re: German decouplers from USA

 

 

> Phill believes that this was a secret option that never appeared in any
> Volkswagen sales brochures

Sorry Les, that should read Australian sales brochures.

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Phill,

The only VAG publication (which is not an Australian brochure) that I have which lists options is:

  • 865/1190.26.18 Issue: August 88

 

Les

From: Syncro_T3_Australia@yahoogroups.com [mailto: Syncro_T3_Australia@yahoogroups.com ] On Behalf Of plander@optusnet.com.au
Sent: 17 December 2009 21:00
To: Syncro_T3_Australia@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: RE: RE: RE: [Syncro_T3_Australia] re: German decouplers from USA

 

 


> The diagram from Yurik is from publication 500.2808.81. 20 (page 29).
> Succeeding pages (30-33) show that the vacuum actuator is eventually
> controlled by a knob and Bowden cable, via a pneumatic valve on the
> gearbox.
> The pneumatic valve also responds to a shift rod so that 4WD is engaged
> when
> G gear is selected.
>
>

That sounds correct.

Les,

What options were available then??

Just because it wasn't in the Australian brochure doesn't mean it wasn't available. eg radio

I have a towbar, and that wasn't listed.

What about front diff locks?

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Phill,

Now we are getting somewhere! 

We now have a second piece of confirmation that such an option did exist.  Both pieces, however, are internal VAG documents so we still don’t have a link to the prospective customer – something that tells the prospective customer that the option is available.  The only way that a prospective customer can know this is through a document in the public domain, like a sales brochure.

Les

 

From: Syncro_T3_Australia@yahoogroups.com [mailto: Syncro_T3_Australia@yahoogroups.com ] On Behalf Of plander@optusnet.com.au
Sent: 18 December 2009 08:01
To: Syncro_T3_Australia@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: RE: [Syncro_T3_Australia] Re: German decouplers from USA

 

 


> This is the first mention of this option appearing in a VAG publication
> other than the one I quoted.
>
> Phill believes that this was a secret option that never appeared in any
> Volkswagen sales brochures

Here is a 1990 VAG options list jpg.

The first one is the decoupler. (M1)

(yes, I know, a secret option is an oxymoron)

Not for Volkswagen Australia .