Re: Knorrit Flat Syncro Adventure

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Come check us out any time. Our camping ground is not to be confused with the Koreelah National Park camping ground which you pass on your way to our place. The national park camping ground is 200m from our entrance gate.

Cheers
Doone Wyborn

On Tue, Apr 23, 2019 at 9:01 PM Theo Weiss teows@melbpc.org.au [Syncro_T3_Australia] <Syncro_T3_Australia@yahoogroups.com> wrote:

Scott, Richard,

Bindarrabi could be an ideal base camp just like Knorrit Flat. It is shown on the Hema map NORTH EAST NSW (G8).

Off course Richard and I could do an exploratory trip any time.

Cheers,

Theo & Christine

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Sent: Tuesday, 23 April 2019 4:14 PM
To: Syncro_T3_Australia@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [Syncro_T3_Australia] Re: Knorrit Flat Syncro Adventure

Wow Doone,

Now that sounds like a great idea.

We may have to take you up on that offer.

It does look like a great track through there - and no crocs in the rivers either!

Maybe mid- late spring this year?

See what comes up.

Cheers,

Scott

On 23/04/2019 7:15 am, Doone Wyborn doone.wyborn@gmail.com [Syncro_T3_Australia] wrote:

If you do a trip in the Condamine River Queen Mary Falls area you can camp at our place Bindarrabi.com with Koreelah National Park on three sides. I have owned a 1989 Syncro GL since 1996. It got a 2 litre Golf transplant in Adelaide in 2003 after the motor blew near Innamincka. Still going strong.

Our camping ground has hot showers, fully equipped kitchen, pizza oven, composting toilets. We operate our camping ground under the gift economy and don't advertise. It's only known by word of mouth.

Hope you guys can drop in.

Doone Wyborn

On Tue, 23 Apr. 2019, 1:41 am cathrich1@yahoo.com.au [Syncro_T3_Australia], <Syncro_T3_Australia@yahoogroups.com> wrote:

Hi Theo,

Just looked that one up, looks like a nice trip! I've not been down there before, sounds worth a visit!. I have travelled a lot of roads in the area, but was years ago on motor bikes and we stuck to bitumen roads.

Could extend the trip, take in Duck creek Road and Queen Mary falls. Would be plenty of side trips to see along the way. Not sure on camping though (maybe head out to Cullendore High country)

There is a lot to see there and down into northern NSW.

Richard

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Best regards, Scott Pitcher SPB Consulting



--
Doone Wyborn
www.bindarrabi.com
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Yes,

Any further exploration into the adventure would be ideal.

Looking forward to it.

Cheers,

Scott

On 23/04/2019 9:01 pm, Theo Weiss teows@melbpc.org.au [Syncro_T3_Australia] wrote:

Scott, Richard,

Bindarrabi could be an ideal base camp just like Knorrit Flat. It is shown on the Hema map NORTH EAST NSW (G8).

Off course Richard and I could do an exploratory trip any time.

Cheers,

Theo & Christine

From: Syncro_T3_Australia@yahoogroups.com <Syncro_T3_Australia@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Tuesday, 23 April 2019 4:14 PM
To: Syncro_T3_Australia@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [Syncro_T3_Australia] Re: Knorrit Flat Syncro Adventure

Wow Doone,

Now that sounds like a great idea.

We may have to take you up on that offer.

It does look like a great track through there - and no crocs in the rivers either!

Maybe mid- late spring this year?

See what comes up.

Cheers,

Scott

On 23/04/2019 7:15 am, Doone Wyborn doone.wyborn@gmail.com [Syncro_T3_Australia] wrote:

If you do a trip in the Condamine River Queen Mary Falls area you can camp at our place Bindarrabi.com with Koreelah National Park on three sides. I have owned a 1989 Syncro GL since 1996. It got a 2 litre Golf transplant in Adelaide in 2003 after the motor blew near Innamincka. Still going strong.

Our camping ground has hot showers, fully equipped kitchen, pizza oven, composting toilets. We operate our camping ground under the gift economy and don't advertise. It's only known by word of mouth.

Hope you guys can drop in.

Doone Wyborn

On Tue, 23 Apr. 2019, 1:41 am cathrich1@yahoo.com.au [Syncro_T3_Australia], <Syncro_T3_Australia@yahoogroups.com> wrote:

Hi Theo,

Just looked that one up, looks like a nice trip! I've not been down there before, sounds worth a visit!. I have travelled a lot of roads in the area, but was years ago on motor bikes and we stuck to bitumen roads.

Could extend the trip, take in Duck creek Road and Queen Mary falls. Would be plenty of side trips to see along the way. Not sure on camping though (maybe head out to Cullendore High country)

There is a lot to see there and down into northern NSW.

Richard

--
Best regards, Scott Pitcher SPB Consulting


--
Best regards, Scott Pitcher SPB Consulting
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Thank you Doone for the offer. Looks like a wonderful spot, and a nice place you have there!
Theo, a reconnaissance run sounds like fun.
Richard


---In Syncro_T3_Australia@yahoogroups.com, <teows@...> wrote :

Scott, Richard,

Bindarrabi could be an ideal base camp just like Knorrit Flat. It is shown on the Hema map NORTH EAST NSW (G8).

Off course Richard and I could do an exploratory trip any time.

Cheers,

Theo & Christine

 

From: Syncro_T3_Australia@yahoogroups.com <Syncro_T3_Australia@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Tuesday, 23 April 2019 4:14 PM
To: Syncro_T3_Australia@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [Syncro_T3_Australia] Re: Knorrit Flat Syncro Adventure

 

 

Wow Doone,

Now that sounds like a great idea.

We may have to take you up on that offer.

It does look like a great track through there - and no crocs in the rivers either!

Maybe mid- late spring this year?

See what comes up.

Cheers,

Scott

On 23/04/2019 7:15 am, Doone Wyborn doone.wyborn@... [Syncro_T3_Australia] wrote:

 

If you do a trip in the Condamine River Queen Mary Falls area you can camp at our place Bindarrabi.com with Koreelah National Park on three sides. I have owned a 1989 Syncro GL since 1996. It got a 2 litre Golf transplant in Adelaide in 2003 after the motor blew near Innamincka. Still going strong.

 

Our camping ground has hot showers, fully equipped kitchen, pizza oven, composting toilets. We operate our camping ground under the gift economy and don't advertise. It's only known by word of mouth. 

 

Hope you guys can drop in.

 

Doone Wyborn 

 

On Tue, 23 Apr. 2019, 1:41 am cathrich1@... [Syncro_T3_Australia], <Syncro_T3_Australia@yahoogroups.com> wrote:

 

Hi Theo,

Just looked that one up, looks like a nice trip! I've not been down there before, sounds worth a visit!. I have travelled a lot of roads in the area, but was years ago on motor bikes and we stuck to bitumen roads.

 

Could extend the trip, take in Duck creek Road and Queen Mary falls. Would be plenty of side trips to see along the way. Not sure on camping though (maybe head out to Cullendore High country)

 

There is a lot to see there and down into northern NSW.

Richard

 

--
Best regards, Scott Pitcher SPB Consulting

44
Bindarrabi sounds great. Could be a good opportunity to run in the new engine.

Cheers, Roger.
45
Hi all,
Am curious what you all use to find smaller back roads. There is a limit to what you can find on google maps. Not sure if there are good maps to look at, or other web pages to look at.
Cheers,
Richard
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Drive until you come to a fork in the road, and take the lesser track if it is heading in the right direction. Repeat at every intersection. If you reach a river or gorge, turn off wherever you can negotiate a path between the trees. This method is entirely fallible and comes with no guarantees, except that you will find some good campsites with no caravans in sight.

The advantage of the Syncro is that it has a tighter turning-circle and better manoeuvrability than most, so it can get to that great spot right beside the river where others can't.

Alternatively, set your destination on the GPS and set the 'avoidances' to '4WD tracks only'. I have had some wonderful adventures with this method.

Follow the 'river road' or the 'old coach road' whenever you see them.

I like to look at old colonial maps and follow the old routes through forgotten towns and ghost-towns.

National Parks like to lock gates but there are plenty of interesting drives through State Forests. State forest maps are readily available.

The Australian Landrover Club website has some great route maps.

Graham had a great app on his phone called 'mapme' which got us un-lost when the conventional GPS let us down.

Lots of people use Wikicamps but if a campsite or fishing spot is mentioned there it is condemned to be over-used, festooned with streamers of toilet paper, and probably eventually fenced off and closed to the public.

Happy travels, Roger.
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I go by Rogerā€™s first paragraph.

Cheers,

Theo

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Hehe, certainly a great way to travel. Used to do that on the mountain bike!
The other members in the van prefer a little more planning though :)
Richard


---In Syncro_T3_Australia@yahoogroups.com, <teows@...> wrote :

I go by Rogerā€™s first paragraph.

Cheers,

Theo

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Hi Richard,
Smaller back roads (as you say), if exploring anywhere in OZ, are usually the domain of specialised 4WD (offroad) GPS devices, not your average range of freeby paper maps ... though these can be good enough to get you around and out.

I've always pined for an offroads GPS device that includes more detail on such back roads AND also features a useable "breadcrumb" record of your daily travel, meaning it shows the route you travelled via such minor trails and when you get lost or unable to proceed further (ie creek crossing, too steep/rough incline, tree fallen across road etc), retrace your "breadcrumb" record to get back out. Without breadcrumb trail record, I find the terrain and intersections you travel via in reverse direction  offers only the opposite unseen view (fancy that eh!) hence confusing when attempting a "manual" retrace ... makes my head hurt trying to figure out which way to turn next! HA! Draw a rough map on paper as you go in? Take photos at all intersections?  Record (time consuming) each trail intersection on GPS? AAAaaaggghhhh!

Each time I get inspired to look for THE best solution for an offroad GPS device, then read all the negative online reviews on each ... I always come away totally confused and give up ... yet again.
HEMA? .... VMS? ... OZI Explorer?.... whatever etc. All too difficult to make an informed decision straight up. I tend to think in exasperation, the only way to know for sure, is to buy in turn every device out there to try out ... cost heaps potentially for devices plus extra for supported mapping, but seems to me that is the only way to really find THE best solution. In my next life?

Many people now say forget specialised GPS devices ... all too hard ... just use apps on your phone ... they are getting better all the time and a bigger range of apps, especially if they provide offline mapping.

As well as the Android MAPS.ME App Theo and Christine told us about (THANK YOU!) on the recent Knorrit Farm tagalong trip we did, Rudi also told me to try these apps to ..  "Scout GPS" (similar to MAPS.ME but different features/functionality) and "GPS Test". May as well have all three!

At the end of the day, I agree also with Theo, Roger has the best and cheapest and most rewarding solution, especially for us grey nomads with no time restraints! There's nothing better than to stumble on an amazing feature destination you had no idea was there!!!!
Cheers.
Ken


From: Syncro_T3_Australia@yahoogroups.com <Syncro_T3_Australia@yahoogroups.com> on behalf of cathrich1@yahoo.com.au [Syncro_T3_Australia] <Syncro_T3_Australia@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Thursday, 30 May 2019 9:08 PM
To: Syncro_T3_Australia@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [Syncro_T3_Australia] Re: Knorrit Flat Syncro Adventure
 
 

Hi all,
Am curious what you all use to find smaller back roads. There is a limit to what you can find on google maps. Not sure if there are good maps to look at, or other web pages to look at.
Cheers,
Richard

50


On 1 Jun 2019, at 2:29 pm, Ken Garratt unclekenz@hotmail.com [Syncro_T3_Australia] <Syncro_T3_Australia@yahoogroups.com> wrote:



Hi Richard,
Smaller back roads (as you say), if exploring anywhere in OZ, are usually the domain of specialised 4WD (offroad) GPS devices, not your average range of freeby paper maps ... though these can be good enough to get you around and out.

I've always pined for an offroads GPS device that includes more detail on such back roads AND also features a useable "breadcrumb" record of your daily travel, meaning it shows the route you travelled via such minor trails and when you get lost or unable to proceed further (ie creek crossing, too steep/rough incline, tree fallen across road etc), retrace your "breadcrumb" record to get back out. Without breadcrumb trail record, I find the terrain and intersections you travel via in reverse direction  offers only the opposite unseen view (fancy that eh!) hence confusing when attempting a "manual" retrace ... makes my head hurt trying to figure out which way to turn next! HA! Draw a rough map on paper as you go in? Take photos at all intersections?  Record (time consuming) each trail intersection on GPS? AAAaaaggghhhh!

Each time I get inspired to look for THE best solution for an offroad GPS device, then read all the negative online reviews on each ... I always come away totally confused and give up ... yet again.
HEMA? .... VMS? ... OZI Explorer?.... whatever etc. All too difficult to make an informed decision straight up. I tend to think in exasperation, the only way to know for sure, is to buy in turn every device out there to try out ... cost heaps potentially for devices plus extra for supported mapping, but seems to me that is the only way to really find THE best solution. In my next life?

Many people now say forget specialised GPS devices ... all too hard ... just use apps on your phone ... they are getting better all the time and a bigger range of apps, especially if they provide offline mapping.

As well as the Android MAPS.ME App Theo and Christine told us about (THANK YOU!) on the recent Knorrit Farm tagalong trip we did, Rudi also told me to try these apps to ..  "Scout GPS" (similar to MAPS.ME but different features/functionality) and "GPS Test". May as well have all three!

At the end of the day, I agree also with Theo, Roger has the best and cheapest and most rewarding solution, especially for us grey nomads with no time restraints! There's nothing better than to stumble on an amazing feature destination you had no idea was there!!!!
Cheers.
Ken


From: Syncro_T3_Australia@yahoogroups.com <Syncro_T3_Australia@yahoogroups.com> on behalf of cathrich1@yahoo.com.au [Syncro_T3_Australia] <Syncro_T3_Australia@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Thursday, 30 May 2019 9:08 PM
To: Syncro_T3_Australia@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [Syncro_T3_Australia] Re: Knorrit Flat Syncro Adventure
 

Hi all,
Am curious what you all use to find smaller back roads. There is a limit to what you can find on google maps. Not sure if there are good maps to look at, or other web pages to look at.
Cheers,
Richard




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Dear all,

 

We have a South African solution called Tracks4africa (https://tracks4africa.co.za/). The backbone of the initiative is data shared by enthusiasts. It gives the really “off the beaten track” information and is updated regularly.

 

This will not solve your problem immediately but if enough people have the same requirement, it may be well worth your while to at least start.

 

Check out their website and I am sure they will be willing to do a Tracks4Oz.    

 

Regards,

 

Piet Coetsee

 

Managing Director

 

 

 

T: 086 099 5122

F: 086 20 20 204

E: piet@smartpropertyservices.co.za

W: www.smartpropertyservices.co.za

 

 

From: Syncro_T3_Australia@yahoogroups.com <Syncro_T3_Australia@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Saturday, 01 June 2019 6:29 AM
To: Syncro_T3_Australia@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [Syncro_T3_Australia] Re: Knorrit Flat Syncro Adventure

 

 

Hi Richard,

Smaller back roads (as you say), if exploring anywhere in OZ, are usually the domain of specialised 4WD (offroad) GPS devices, not your average range of freeby paper maps ... though these can be good enough to get you around and out.

 

I've always pined for an offroads GPS device that includes more detail on such back roads AND also features a useable "breadcrumb" record of your daily travel, meaning it shows the route you travelled via such minor trails and when you get lost or unable to proceed further (ie creek crossing, too steep/rough incline, tree fallen across road etc), retrace your "breadcrumb" record to get back out. Without breadcrumb trail record, I find the terrain and intersections you travel via in reverse direction  offers only the opposite unseen view (fancy that eh!) hence confusing when attempting a "manual" retrace ... makes my head hurt trying to figure out which way to turn next! HA! Draw a rough map on paper as you go in? Take photos at all intersections?  Record (time consuming) each trail intersection on GPS? AAAaaaggghhhh!

 

Each time I get inspired to look for THE best solution for an offroad GPS device, then read all the negative online reviews on each ... I always come away totally confused and give up ... yet again.

HEMA? .... VMS? ... OZI Explorer?.... whatever etc. All too difficult to make an informed decision straight up. I tend to think in exasperation, the only way to know for sure, is to buy in turn every device out there to try out ... cost heaps potentially for devices plus extra for supported mapping, but seems to me that is the only way to really find THE best solution. In my next life?

 

Many people now say forget specialised GPS devices ... all too hard ... just use apps on your phone ... they are getting better all the time and a bigger range of apps, especially if they provide offline mapping.

 

As well as the Android MAPS.ME App Theo and Christine told us about (THANK YOU!) on the recent Knorrit Farm tagalong trip we did, Rudi also told me to try these apps to ..  "Scout GPS" (similar to MAPS.ME but different features/functionality) and "GPS Test". May as well have all three!

 

At the end of the day, I agree also with Theo, Roger has the best and cheapest and most rewarding solution, especially for us grey nomads with no time restraints! There's nothing better than to stumble on an amazing feature destination you had no idea was there!!!!

Cheers.

Ken

 

 

From: Syncro_T3_Australia@yahoogroups.com <Syncro_T3_Australia@yahoogroups.com> on behalf of cathrich1@yahoo.com.au [Syncro_T3_Australia] <Syncro_T3_Australia@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Thursday, 30 May 2019 9:08 PM
To: Syncro_T3_Australia@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [Syncro_T3_Australia] Re: Knorrit Flat Syncro Adventure

 

 

Hi all,

Am curious what you all use to find smaller back roads. There is a limit to what you can find on google maps. Not sure if there are good maps to look at, or other web pages to look at.

Cheers,

Richard

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Hi Theo,
Iā€™m thinking of doing a day trip, either the track you suggested here, or doing some tracks at Mt Mee.
Tentative July 8th at this stage.



Richard

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