Good one,KEN, I like it. Do they take orders yet????
From: Syncro_T3_Australia@yahoogroups.com
[mailto:Syncro_T3_Australia@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Ken Garratt
Sent: Friday, 28 August 2009 8:40 PM
To: Oz syncro forum
Subject: [Syncro_T3_Australia] re: My Syncro's FOR SALE [1 Attachment]
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Gday ALL,
Decided to upgrade to a new generation Trakka.
See attached latest model, a steal for a lazy 110Gs.
Cheers.
Ken
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If, on the other hand, you would prefer to have a separate arrangement – ie, be able to use the towing vehicle independently when needed, you could try this arrangement:
http://www.greenmuze.com/climate/travel/1485-the-bicycle-camper-.html
Les
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On Behalf Of Ken Garratt
Sent: 28 August 2009 20:40
To: Oz syncro forum
Subject: [Syncro_T3_Australia] re:
My Syncro's FOR SALE
[1 Attachment]
Gday ALL,
Decided to upgrade to a new generation Trakka.
See attached latest model, a steal for a lazy 110Gs.
Cheers.
Ken
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There is a problem with both designs, of course – neither are all wheel drive.
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On Behalf Of Les_Harris
Sent: 28 August 2009 22:09
To: Syncro_T3_Australia@yahoogroups.com
Subject: RE: [Syncro_T3_Australia]
re: My Syncro's FOR SALE
If, on the other hand, you would prefer to have a separate arrangement – ie, be able to use the towing vehicle independently when needed, you could try this arrangement:
http://www.greenmuz e.com/climate/ travel/1485- the-bicycle- camper-.html
Les
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On Behalf Of Ken Garratt
Sent: 28 August 2009 20:40
To: Oz syncro forum
Subject: [Syncro_T3_Australi a]
re: My Syncro's FOR SALE
[1 Attachment]
Gday ALL,
Decided to upgrade to a new generation Trakka.
See attached latest model, a steal for a lazy 110Gs.
Cheers.
Ken
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Extending the motive power thought process a bit further, anyone seen, read or heard of anything on the horizon to power our vehicles that will take them into the 21st Century? LPG seems the most obvious practical short term solution as petrol prices inevitable rise with resumed economic prosperity but I wonder if anyone has come across anything at least a little visionary. I reckon I can hopefully count on about another 100,000K before my motor gives up so I can be a little patient if you are working on something in the back shed Ken and Les!
Cheers
Roger
PS Any thought of any meetings arranged with our UK overland clandestine syncro driver, last seen in China? Hope he makes it to Melbourne soon as I'm off to his original neck of the woods shortly.
--- On Fri, 28/8/09, Les_Harris <leslieharris@optusnet.com.au> wrote:
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Roger,
Notwithstanding optimistic claims in the media, we are a long way off anything revolutionary. Now that the pressure is on, petrol engine design continues to improve and petrol consumption continues to fall. For all its failings, the petrol engine is about the best thing we have in terms of producing usable power.
LPG is certainly a very good alternative to petrol but is exposed to the whims of governments, which regard petrol an LPG as a handy cash cow. We had a recent example when the previous federal government slammed a huge excise increase on LPG. This has nothing to do with availability or the environment but everything to do with filling federal coffers.
Petrol/diesel/electric hybrids have a lot going for them but only for new vehicles. Retrofitting such power plants to an old vehicle is not impossible but would be a major undertaking. Pure electric is promoted as being environmentally friendly because of “zero emissions”. This is a total nonsense because the energy required to recharge battery banks comes from coal fired power stations, which are highly polluting in their own right. About the only electric vehicle that could be called non-polluting would be one that is recharged entirely by hydro or wind generated mains electricity. And then there is the small matter of replacing battery banks every five or so years – massively expensive.
Stick to your petrol engine, keep an eye on the developments in LPG and pray that our governments don’t tax it out of existence! LPG vapour induction systems work well. Michael Roberts’ father built his own for a T3 a long time ago and it reportedly works very well. PLG liquid injection is now here and is very efficient in terms of power and consumption but Theo Weiss has a system installed which has never run from day one.
I don’t know where Mark Thornley is headed for in Australia . When we know that, it would be good to try to meet up with him.
Les
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On Behalf Of Roger Bell
Sent: 29 August 2009 00:34
To: Syncro_T3_Australia@yahoogroups.com
Subject: RE: [Syncro_T3_Australia]
re: My Syncro's FOR SALE
Extending the motive power thought process a bit further, anyone seen, read or heard of anything on the horizon to power our vehicles that will take them into the 21st Century? LPG seems the most obvious practical short term solution as petrol prices inevitable rise with resumed economic prosperity but I wonder if anyone has come across anything at least a little visionary. I reckon I can hopefully count on about another 100,000K before my motor gives up so I can be a little patient if you are working on something in the back shed Ken and Les!
Cheers
Roger
PS Any thought of any meetings arranged with our UK overland clandestine Syncro driver, last seen in China ? Hope he makes it to Melbourne soon as I'm off to his original neck of the woods shortly.
how about we look at pure bio-diesel? i ran my 96 vw passat about 95% veg oil for years, it used to cost me about 25p (uk-pence) to refine between 20-50 litres of waste veg oil, cheapest car in the world to run that one!
i also ran a 6litre MAN recovery truck on 50/50 diesel /veg oil, i was the most profitable operator in the UK!!
when my 16"syncro gets here, i will run my own bio diesel, the 5cyl audi donk will be well upto the job!
(the coloured fellas can sniff it all day long-it might make them healthy too!!)
have you seen the hydro plants? i'm considering building one for one of my early vw's. water in a small tank, electrolosis makes hydrogen and oxygen, this is fed into a conventional petrol engine (no petrol) the exhaust is pure water vapour! down side?? it takes about 20min to make enough hydrogen and oxygen to start the car! --- |
Jon,
There are certainly alternative fuels but their by-products of combustion range from the noxious to the toxic and their widespread use would bring monumental problems in their wake.
Hydrogen is the Holy Grail but, so far, it takes more energy to crack the hydrogen out of water than it takes to run a vehicle – negative equation. If someone can devise a chemical crack (as opposed to electrolytic), the equation might swing to positive, but there is nothing on the horizon yet.
Still waiting on your renewal details, Jon. The cutoff date is tomorrow.
Les
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[mailto: Syncro_T3_Australia@yahoogroups.com ]
On Behalf Of jon hornby
Sent: 29 August 2009 14:08
To: Syncro_T3_Australia@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [Syncro_T3_Australia]
Future
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how about we look at pure bio-diesel? i ran my 96 vw passat about 95% veg oil for years, it used to cost me about 25p (uk-pence) to refine between 20-50 litres of waste veg oil, cheapest car in the world to run that one! i also ran a 6litre MAN recovery truck on 50/50 diesel /veg oil, i was the most profitable operator in the UK !! when my 16"syncro gets here, i will run my own bio diesel, the 5cyl audi donk will be well upto the job! (the coloured fellas can sniff it all day long-it might make them healthy too!!)
have you seen the hydro plants? i'm considering
building one for one of my early vw's. water in a small tank, electrolosis
makes hydrogen and oxygen, this is fed into a conventional petrol engine (no
petrol) the exhaust is pure water vapour! down side?? it takes about 20min to
make enough hydrogen and oxygen to start the car! |
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> how about we look at pure bio-diesel?As a fuel it works, but the lubrication properties are not good. Apparently the injector pumps don't last as long as with distillate.
Les, you are perfectly right with the exception of you paragraph on zero emissions . Subscribing to Green Power from sustainable sources should be made mandatory when running a pure electric car, but again, we have to wait a while for the right batteries to show up. I personally do not believe in Hybrids, as I regard them terribly wasteful to produce and offer very little in better fuel consumption. Driving a Smart Diesel or a VW with 3 ltr diesel / 100 km or even 1(one) ltr / 100km is a better option for me. But Les is right, all these don’t offer what we get out of our Syncros, no choices like solid or viscous and not a dozen or so of different suspension springs......... Hartmut
From: Syncro_T3_Australia@yahoogroups.com
[mailto:Syncro_T3_Australia@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Les_Harris
Sent: Saturday, 29 August 2009 9:35 AM
To: Syncro_T3_Australia@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [Syncro_T3_Australia] Future
Roger,
Notwithstanding optimistic claims in the media, we are a long way off anything revolutionary. Now that the pressure is on, petrol engine design continues to improve and petrol consumption continues to fall. For all its failings, the petrol engine is about the best thing we have in terms of producing usable power.
LPG is certainly a very good alternative to petrol but is exposed to the whims of governments, which regard petrol an LPG as a handy cash cow. We had a recent example when the previous federal government slammed a huge excise increase on LPG. This has nothing to do with availability or the environment but everything to do with filling federal coffers.
Petrol/diesel/electric hybrids have a lot going for them but only for new vehicles. Retrofitting such power plants to an old vehicle is not impossible but would be a major undertaking. Pure electric is promoted as being environmentally friendly because of “zero emissions”. This is a total nonsense because the energy required to recharge battery banks comes from coal fired power stations, which are highly polluting in their own right. About the only electric vehicle that could be called non-polluting would be one that is recharged entirely by hydro or wind generated mains electricity. And then there is the small matter of replacing battery banks every five or so years – massively expensive.
Stick to your petrol engine, keep an eye on the developments in LPG and pray that our governments don’t tax it out of existence! LPG vapour induction systems work well. Michael Roberts’ father built his own for a T3 a long time ago and it reportedly works very well. PLG liquid injection is now here and is very efficient in terms of power and consumption but Theo Weiss has a system installed which has never run from day one.
I don’t know where Mark Thornley is headed for in Australia. When we know that, it would be good to try to meet up with him.
Les
From: Syncro_T3_Australia@yahoogroups.com
[mailto:Syncro_T3_Australia@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Roger Bell
Sent: 29 August 2009 00:34
To: Syncro_T3_Australia@yahoogroups.com
Subject: RE: [Syncro_T3_Australia] re: My Syncro's FOR SALE
Extending the motive power thought process a bit further, anyone seen, read or heard of anything on the horizon to power our vehicles that will take them into the 21st Century? LPG seems the most obvious practical short term solution as petrol prices inevitable rise with resumed economic prosperity but I wonder if anyone has come across anything at least a little visionary. I reckon I can hopefully count on about another 100,000K before my motor gives up so I can be a little patient if you are working on something in the back shed Ken and Les!
Cheers
Roger
PS Any thought of any meetings arranged with our UK overland clandestine Syncro driver, last seen in China? Hope he makes it to Melbourne soon as I'm off to his original neck of the woods shortly.
les, i've already sent you all my renewal details. what happened to them?
the electrolosis systems i have been looking at certainly provide enough hydrogen and oxygen to power a normal petrol engined car, there is also sufficient electricity left over to restart the car, which takes 20mins or so,
the by products of vegtable oil are to say the least minimal, with zero hydrocarbons, zero particulates, and a better smell it really is a winner but greatly over looked!
the joy of veg oil is you can still do all the stuff you ever wanted to do in your syncro, but at a fraction of the cost to the enviroment! when trabants crossed into germany, the 2stroke motors were removed and vw polo engines fitted in place, the logistics of new power plants in old cars really is not an issue.
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Jon, funny you mention the Trabi, if I could get hold of one , I would want to mount it on top of a telephone pole and use it as a wind vane.....
The problem with veg oil is , that government is on its way to outlaw the collection by unqualified, unregistered, unsupervised individuals. My mate Dirk has more problems every time he collects the stuff. And you have to live in the country to refine the fuel, superbia is not on. Total overregulation doesn’t stop and is expanding on a daily basis. Suppose the trick would be to have some acres and grow Canola......
From: Syncro_T3_Australia@yahoogroups.com
[mailto:Syncro_T3_Australia@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of jon hornby
Sent: Saturday, 29 August 2009 9:38 PM
To: Syncro_T3_Australia@yahoogroups.com
Subject: RE: [Syncro_T3_Australia] Future
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les, i've already sent you all my renewal details. what happened to them?
the electrolosis systems i have been looking at certainly provide enough hydrogen and oxygen to power a normal petrol engined car, there is also sufficient electricity left over to restart the car, which takes 20mins or so, the by products of vegtable oil are to say the least
minimal, with zero hydrocarbons, zero particulates, and a better smell it
really is a winner but greatly over looked!
when trabants crossed into germany, the 2stroke motors were removed and vw polo engines fitted in place, the logistics of new power plants in old cars really is not an issue.
|
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in the uk waste veg oil is classed as a very low hazard waste, on a par with wet paper!! no rules or regs for transportation etc, once its refined into a useable "fuel" its still classed as a very low hazard product, apparently its only a fuel when its in a fuel tank.
theres a small problem with growin canola, you can only grow it in a field once every 4 years, you would need 4 acres, crop rotate, and with just 1 acre of canola half of it would go on reaping and processing.
what you need is a friend in a maccas, wendy's, chinese,hungry jacks etc, there are 1000's of fast food joints etc paying to get rid of the stuff, thats where you need to look!
you say the gov is looking to out law the unsupervised unqualified collection of veg oil, are you sayin i will have to be qualified to buy veg oil?? at what point do i become "unqualified" to get veg oil? 1litre? 5litre? 20litres?? or more like 200 litres.
i'm going to get me a collection certificate, i'll need it!
--- On Sat, 29/8/09, Hartmut Kiehn <hartis@live.com.au> wrote:
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in the uk waste veg oil is classed as a very low hazard waste, on a par with wet paper!! no rules or regs for transportation etc, once its refined into a useable "fuel" its still classed as a very low hazard product, apparently its only a fuel when its in a fuel tank.
theres a small problem with growin canola, you can only grow it in a field once every 4 years, you would need 4 acres, crop rotate, and with just 1 acre of canola half of it would go on reaping and processing.
what you need is a friend in a maccas, wendy's, chinese,hungry jacks etc, there are 1000's of fast food joints etc paying to get rid of the stuff, thats where you need to look!
you say the gov is looking to out law the unsupervised unqualified collection of veg oil, are you sayin i will have to be qualified to buy veg oil?? at what point do i become "unqualified" to get veg oil? 1litre? 5litre? 20litres?? or more like 200 litres.
i'm going to get me a collection certificate, i'll need it!
--- On Sat, 29/8/09, Hartmut Kiehn <hartis@live. com.au> wrote:
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> Anyway getting back to the potential to bring our much loved synchros
> into the future... Imagine a synchro which utilizes an electric drive
> motor for each wheel such as the latest 640 hp electric mini built
> by PL (BMW). Traction for each wheel can be programmed to suit
> whatever terrain your prepared to tackle. No more expensive
> gearbox/diff/decoupler/vc/lsd/engine replacement nightmares.The only
> thing that might need to be changed is instead of using hub motors,
> the individual motors can be mounted up under the car for clearance
> and to eliminate unsprung weight and maintain steering/handling
> characteristics. Of course cv joints and shafts will still be needed
> (Porsche type maybe)The rest is cables and the electronic controller
> system........IF ONLY THE BATTERIES WEREN'T SO F#@$%^&^KING EXPENSIVE!!..
>
> Of course for some Synchro owners (purists included) all this may
> negate the reasons and beauty of owning a synchro in the first
> place...Lets hope fuel/lpg prices stay where they are for a few more
> years...?
>