rear wheel bearings

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Hi,any one else replaced rear wheel bearings more than once during ownership of their vehicle?
I know of T3 Kombi to have 400+ and never even heard a murmur from the rear bearings.
I replaced the nsr today,I only did the both sides 2 or 3 years ago.I had a growl coming from that side,that changed pitch when braking,in and out of gear.
The inner felt a little gritty.Hard to test the outer.
Its got me thinking....
Faulty bearing?in-correct install?driving conditions?worn axle?worn bearing hub?in-correct off set????Surely there is other Kombi running around with different off-sets and their not changing rears bearings every couple of years.
Any one have any theories?
BTW the nut was tight.
BenC
2
Hi BenC,  changed mine at approx 300 . Now at 400 Th no complaints coming from the rear yet. 
Could be a faulty one , after all humans are in charge of manufacturing. Sorry, no other explanation. Hart

Sent from my iPad

On 15/04/2013, at 5:47 PM, "Ben" <bencroft96@yahoo.com> wrote:

 

Hi,any one else replaced rear wheel bearings more than once during ownership of their vehicle?
I know of T3 Kombi to have 400+ and never even heard a murmur from the rear bearings.
I replaced the nsr today,I only did the both sides 2 or 3 years ago.I had a growl coming from that side,that changed pitch when braking,in and out of gear.
The inner felt a little gritty.Hard to test the outer.
Its got me thinking....
Faulty bearing?in-correct install?driving conditions?worn axle?worn bearing hub?in-correct off set????Surely there is other Kombi running around with different off-sets and their not changing rears bearings every couple of years.
Any one have any theories?
BTW the nut was tight.
BenC

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Hi Ben, mine's got 475 on it & never been changed. Littlle bit of play but not noisy. Have had big tyres on for most of its life & the last 150 k with et 25 wheels. I think German quality might not be what it used to be. Eddie.
--- In Syncro_T3_Australia@yahoogroups.com, "Ben" <bencroft96@...> wrote:
>
> Hi,any one else replaced rear wheel bearings more than once during ownership of their vehicle?
> I know of T3 Kombi to have 400+ and never even heard a murmur from the rear bearings.
> I replaced the nsr today,I only did the both sides 2 or 3 years ago.I had a growl coming from that side,that changed pitch when braking,in and out of gear.
> The inner felt a little gritty.Hard to test the outer.
> Its got me thinking....
> Faulty bearing?in-correct install?driving conditions?worn axle?worn bearing hub?in-correct off set????Surely there is other Kombi running around with different off-sets and their not changing rears bearings every couple of years.
> Any one have any theories?
> BTW the nut was tight.
> BenC
>
4

That’s presuming that the bearings are in fact German.

Les

From: Syncro_T3_Australia@yahoogroups.com [mailto:Syncro_T3_Australia@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of eddie
Sent: 15 April 2013 20:38
To: Syncro_T3_Australia@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [Syncro_T3_Australia] Re: rear wheel bearings

German quality might not be what it used to be. Eddie.

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Too much sand driving Ben

On 15/04/2013 5:47 PM, Ben wrote:
 

Hi,any one else replaced rear wheel bearings more than once during ownership of their vehicle?
I know of T3 Kombi to have 400+ and never even heard a murmur from the rear bearings.
I replaced the nsr today,I only did the both sides 2 or 3 years ago.I had a growl coming from that side,that changed pitch when braking,in and out of gear.
The inner felt a little gritty.Hard to test the outer.
Its got me thinking....
Faulty bearing?in-correct install?driving conditions?worn axle?worn bearing hub?in-correct off set????Surely there is other Kombi running around with different off-sets and their not changing rears bearings every couple of years.
Any one have any theories?
BTW the nut was tight.
BenC


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Skot,Sand driving,doubt it.There was no sand in the grease,grease looked brand new,still coloured.When I said gritty,I didnt mean sandy,just not as smooth as I thought it should be.
Corrugated roads is what I think wears them out if anything,it was after I drove the Port side of Plomer and Maria River Road last time that I rekon stuffed them,didnt do it last year but still did some shorter corrugated roads,but the noise only started a few weeks ago,long after I had returned.

I am going with faulty bearing or damaged whilst I installed it,fitting the outer is a little tricky although I think it was the inner that was noisy,who knows.
I am sick of working on this bloody thing on my day off,cant wait for a newer car!!
BenC

--- In Syncro_T3_Australia@yahoogroups.com, Mr Scott Pitcher <spbconsulting@...> wrote:
>
> Too much sand driving Ben
>
> On 15/04/2013 5:47 PM, Ben wrote:
> >
> > Hi,any one else replaced rear wheel bearings more than once during
> > ownership of their vehicle?
> > I know of T3 Kombi to have 400+ and never even heard a murmur from the
> > rear bearings.
> > I replaced the nsr today,I only did the both sides 2 or 3 years ago.I
> > had a growl coming from that side,that changed pitch when braking,in
> > and out of gear.
> > The inner felt a little gritty.Hard to test the outer.
> > Its got me thinking....
> > Faulty bearing?in-correct install?driving conditions?worn axle?worn
> > bearing hub?in-correct off set????Surely there is other Kombi running
> > around with different off-sets and their not changing rears bearings
> > every couple of years.
> > Any one have any theories?
> > BTW the nut was tight.
> > BenC
> >
> >
>
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Ben,

Did you use the double lip seals or the single lip seals?

Phill

--- In Syncro_T3_Australia@yahoogroups.com, "Ben" <bencroft96@...> wrote:
>
> Hi,any one else replaced rear wheel bearings more than once during ownership of their vehicle?
> I know of T3 Kombi to have 400+ and never even heard a murmur from the rear bearings.
> I replaced the nsr today,I only did the both sides 2 or 3 years ago.I had a growl coming from that side,that changed pitch when braking,in and out of gear.
> The inner felt a little gritty.Hard to test the outer.
> Its got me thinking....
> Faulty bearing?in-correct install?driving conditions?worn axle?worn bearing hub?in-correct off set????Surely there is other Kombi running around with different off-sets and their not changing rears bearings every couple of years.
> Any one have any theories?
> BTW the nut was tight.
> BenC
>
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251 419 831A

Should be the same left or right, power or manual, 4WD or 2WD

Try Just Kampers or Mick Motors.



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Sent:
Tue, 16 Apr 2013 16:43:12 +0930
Subject:
[Syncro_T3_Australia] Query re steering boot?







Could someone please enlighten me about the correct name for the rubber part in this attached photo?
Is it the steering rack boot/bellows or the tie rod boot/bellows?
Am I correct in assuming that left and right are the same.
Does it make any difference to the part if I have power steering.
One of mine is damaged and I would like to replace both
Thanks for your help
Regards
Peter Leolkes



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Phil,not sure didnt take much notice of seals except they were in good nick.
BenC

--- In Syncro_T3_Australia@yahoogroups.com, "hdvwoc" <plander@...> wrote:
>
> Ben,
>
> Did you use the double lip seals or the single lip seals?
>
> Phill
>
> --- In Syncro_T3_Australia@yahoogroups.com, "Ben" <bencroft96@> wrote:
> >
> > Hi,any one else replaced rear wheel bearings more than once during ownership of their vehicle?
> > I know of T3 Kombi to have 400+ and never even heard a murmur from the rear bearings.
> > I replaced the nsr today,I only did the both sides 2 or 3 years ago.I had a growl coming from that side,that changed pitch when braking,in and out of gear.
> > The inner felt a little gritty.Hard to test the outer.
> > Its got me thinking....
> > Faulty bearing?in-correct install?driving conditions?worn axle?worn bearing hub?in-correct off set????Surely there is other Kombi running around with different off-sets and their not changing rears bearings every couple of years.
> > Any one have any theories?
> > BTW the nut was tight.
> > BenC
> >
>
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Phill, isn't that the fronts? I have used generic single lip seals on the front hubs. Never seen rear seals that differ from the oem design. Ben, there are a lot of crap bearings around. Your right in that German made usually is good. Some other countries that still make good bearings are Japan, Spain and eastern Europe. The spacer is critical. Did you have play after you torqued  the nut?
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
& nbsp;
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 

From: Ben <bencroft96@yahoo.com>
To: Syncro_T3_Australia@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Tuesday, 16 April 2013 7:11 PM
Subject: [Syncro_T3_Australia] Re: rear wheel bearings
 
Phil,not sure didnt take much notice of seals except they were in good nick.
BenC

--- In mailto:Syncro_T3_Australia%40yahoogroups.com, "hdvwoc" <plander@...> wrote:
>
> Ben,
>
> Did you use the double lip seals or the single lip seals?
>
> Phill
>
> --- In mailto:Syncro_T3_Australia%40yahoogroups.com, "Ben" <bencroft96@> wrote:
> >
> > Hi,any one else replaced rear wheel bearings more than once during ownership of their vehicle?
> > I know of T3 Kombi to have 400+ and never even heard a murmur from the rear bearings.
> > I replaced the nsr today,I only did the both sides 2 or 3 years ago.I had a growl coming from that side,that changed pitch when braking,in and out of gear.
> > The inner felt a little gritty.Hard to test the outer.
> > Its got me thinking....
> > Faulty bearing?in-correct install?driving conditions?worn axle?worn bearing hub?in-correct off set????Surely there is other Kombi running around with different off-sets and their not changing rears bearings every couple of years.
> > Any one have any theories?
> > BTW the nut was tight.
> > BenC
> >
>

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Hey Greg,thanks.Yeah they was and still is some play.
Phil, I think they were a fat lip seal.
BenC

--- In Syncro_T3_Australia@yahoogroups.com, greg esposito <gregespo73@...> wrote:
>
> Phill, isn't that the fronts? I have used generic single lip seals on the front hubs. Never seen rear seals that differ from the oem design. Ben, there are a lot of crap bearings around. Your right in that German made usually is good. Some other countries that still make good bearings are Japan, Spain and eastern Europe. The spacer is critical. Did you have play after you torqued the nut?
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> From: Ben <bencroft96@...>
> To: Syncro_T3_Australia@yahoogroups.com
> Sent: Tuesday, 16 April 2013 7:11 PM
> Subject: [Syncro_T3_Australia] Re: rear wheel bearings
>
>
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>
> Phil,not sure didnt take much notice of seals except they were in good nick.
> BenC
>
> --- In mailto:Syncro_T3_Australia%40yahoogroups.com, "hdvwoc" <plander@> wrote:
> >
> > Ben,
> >
> > Did you use the double lip seals or the single lip seals?
> >
> > Phill
> >
> > --- In mailto:Syncro_T3_Australia%40yahoogroups.com, "Ben" <bencroft96@> wrote:
> > >
> > > Hi,any one else replaced rear wheel bearings more than once during ownership of their vehicle?
> > > I know of T3 Kombi to have 400+ and never even heard a murmur from the rear bearings.
> > > I replaced the nsr today,I only did the both sides 2 or 3 years ago.I had a growl coming from that side,that changed pitch when braking,in and out of gear.
> > > The inner felt a little gritty.Hard to test the outer.
> > > Its got me thinking....
> > > Faulty bearing?in-correct install?driving conditions?worn axle?worn bearing hub?in-correct off set????Surely there is other Kombi running around with different off-sets and their not changing rears bearings every couple of years.
> > > Any one have any theories?
> > > BTW the nut was tight.
> > > BenC
> > >
> >
>
13
BenC,

Have a look at my e-mail dated  9/01/2013 Rear wheel bearings

Cheers,
Theo



At 09:52 PM 16/04/2013, you wrote:
 

Hey Greg,thanks.Yeah they was and still is some play.
Phil, I think they were a fat lip seal.
BenC

--- In Syncro_T3_Australia@yahoogroups.com, greg esposito <gregespo73@...> wrote:
>
> Phill, isn't that the fronts? I have used generic single lip seals on the front hubs. Never seen rear seals that differ from the oem design. Ben, there are a lot of crap bearings around. Your right in that German made usually is good. Some other countries that still make good bearings are Japan, Spain and eastern Europe. The spacer is critical. Did you have play after you torqued  the nut?
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> ________________________________
> From: Ben <bencroft96@...>
> To: Syncro_T3_Australia@yahoogroups.com
> Sent: Tuesday, 16 April 2013 7:11 PM
> Subject: [Syncro_T3_Australia] Re: rear wheel bearings
>
>
>  
>
> Phil,not sure didnt take much notice of seals except they were in good nick.
> BenC
>
> --- In mailto:Syncro_T3_Australia%40yahoogroups.com, "hdvwoc" <plander@> wrote:
> >
> > Ben,
> >
> > Did you use the double lip seals or the single lip seals?
> >
> > Phill
> >
> > --- In mailto:Syncro_T3_Australia%40yahoogroups.com, "Ben" <bencroft96@> wrote:
> > >
> > > Hi,any one else replaced rear wheel bearings more than once during ownership of their vehicle?
> > > I know of T3 Kombi to have 400+ and never even heard a murmur from the rear bearings.
> > > I replaced the nsr today,I only did the both sides 2 or 3 years ago.I had a growl coming from that side,that changed pitch when braking,in and out of gear.
> > > The inner felt a little gritty.Hard to test the outer.
> > > Its got me thinking....
> > > Faulty bearing?in-correct install?driving conditions?worn axle?worn bearing hub?in-correct off set????Surely there is other Kombi running around with different off-sets and their not changing rears bearings every couple of years.
> > > Any one have any theories?
> > > BTW the nut was tight.
> > > BenC
> > >
> >
>


14

I wouldn't use them.

Aren't they for the South African 2WD?


Phil, I think they were a fat lip seal.
BenC


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15
Thanks for your prompt response.
Greatly appreciated.
Imparts at MILE END here in Adelaide can get them overnight for $24 for 2 which suits me.
All the best
Peter

On 16/04/2013, at 5:02 PM, plander@optusnet.com.au wrote:

 

251 419 831A

Should be the same left or right, power or manual, 4WD or 2WD

Try Just Kampers or Mick Motors.



----- Original Message -----

To:
<Syncro_T3_Australia@yahoogroups.com>
Cc:

Sent:
Tue, 16 Apr 2013 16:43:12 +0930
Subject:
[Syncro_T3_Australia] Query re steering boot?







Could someone please enlighten me about the correct name for the rubber part in this attached photo?
Is it the steering rack boot/bellows or the tie rod boot/bellows?
Am I correct in assuming that left and right are the same.
Does it make any difference to the part if I have power steering.
One of mine is damaged and I would like to replace both
Thanks for your help
Regards
Peter Leolkes



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16
Make sure they are suppling the genuine style with the large outer opening. If they  supply generic ones with a small hole you will have to remove the tie rod from the tie rod end and will need a w/alignment. Greg E

From: Peter Leolkes <pleolkes@bigbutton.com.au>
To: Syncro_T3_Australia@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Wednesday, 17 April 2013 2:56 PM
Subject: Re: [-Disarmed-] Re: [Syncro_T3_Australia] Query re steering boot?
 
Thanks for your prompt response.
Greatly appreciated.
Imparts at MILE END here in Adelaide can get them overnight for $24 for 2 which suits me.
All the best
Peter
On 16/04/2013, at 5:02 PM, plander@optusnet.com.au wrote:
 
251 419 831A

Should be the same left or right, power or manual, 4WD or 2WD

Try Just Kampers or Mick Motors.



----- Original Message -----

To:
<Syncro_T3_Australia@yahoogroups.com>
Cc:

Sent:
Tue, 16 Apr 2013 16:43:12 +0930
Subject:
[Syncro_T3_Australia] Query re steering boot?







Could someone please enlighten me about the correct name for the rubber part in this attached photo?
Is it the steering rack boot/bellows or the tie rod boot/bellows?
Am I correct in assuming that left and right are the same.
Does it make any difference to the part if I have power steering.
One of mine is damaged and I would like to replace both
Thanks for your help
Regards
Peter Leolkes


Email sent using Optus Webmail

17
They are supplying ones with the part number 251 419 831A so I presume they will be genuine.
i'll know tomorrow
Peter L
On 17/04/2013, at 3:04 PM, greg esposito wrote:

 

Make sure they are suppling the genuine style with the large outer opening. If they  supply generic ones with a small hole you will have to remove the tie rod from the tie rod end and will need a w/alignment. Greg E

From: Peter Leolkes <pleolkes@bigbutton.com.au>
To: Syncro_T3_Australia@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Wednesday, 17 April 2013 2:56 PM
Subject: Re: [-Disarmed-] Re: [Syncro_T3_Australia] Query re steering boot?
 
Thanks for your prompt response.
Greatly appreciated.
Imparts at MILE END here in Adelaide can get them overnight for $24 for 2 which suits me.
All the best
Peter
On 16/04/2013, at 5:02 PM, plander@optusnet.com.au wrote:
 
251 419 831A

Should be the same left or right, power or manual, 4WD or 2WD

Try Just Kampers or Mick Motors.



----- Original Message -----

To:
<Syncro_T3_Australia@yahoogroups.com>
Cc:

Sent:
Tue, 16 Apr 2013 16:43:12 +0930
Subject:
[Syncro_T3_Australia] Query re steering boot?







Could someone please enlighten me about the correct name for the rubber part in this attached photo?
Is it the steering rack boot/bellows or the tie rod boot/bellows?
Am I correct in assuming that left and right are the same.
Does it make any difference to the part if I have power steering.
One of mine is damaged and I would like to replace both
Thanks for your help
Regards
Peter Leolkes


Email sent using Optus Webmail



18
Thanks Theo,I remember reading that back then and thinking,yeah I am in spec.
BenC

--- In Syncro_T3_Australia@yahoogroups.com, Theo Weiss <teows@...> wrote:
>
> BenC,
>
> Have a look at my e-mail dated 9/01/2013 Rear wheel bearings
>
> Cheers,
> Theo
>
>
>
> At 09:52 PM 16/04/2013, you wrote:
> >
> >
> >Hey Greg,thanks.Yeah they was and still is some play.
> >Phil, I think they were a fat lip seal.
> >BenC
> >
> >--- In
> ><mailto:Syncro_T3_Australia%40yahoogroups.com>Syncro_T3_Australia@yahoogroups.com,
> >greg esposito <gregespo73@> wrote:
> > >
> > > Phill, isn't that the fronts? I have used
> > generic single lip seals on the front hubs.
> > Never seen rear seals that differ from the oem
> > design. Ben, there are a lot of crap bearings
> > around. Your right in that German made usually
> > is good. Some other countries that still make
> > good bearings are Japan, Spain and eastern
> > Europe. The spacer is critical. Did you have play after you torqued the nut?
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> > > To:
> > <mailto:Syncro_T3_Australia%40yahoogroups.com>Syncro_T3_Australia@yahoogroups.com
> >
> > > Sent: Tuesday, 16 April 2013 7:11 PM
> > > Subject: [Syncro_T3_Australia] Re: rear wheel bearings
> > >
> > >
> > > Â
> > >
> > > Phil,not sure didnt take much notice of seals
> > except they were in good nick.
> > > BenC
> > >
> > > --- In
> > mailto:Syncro_T3_Australia%40yahoogroups.com, "hdvwoc" <plander@> wrote:
> > > >
> > > > Ben,
> > > >
> > > > Did you use the double lip seals or the single lip seals?
> > > >
> > > > Phill
> > > >
> > > > --- In
> > mailto:Syncro_T3_Australia%40yahoogroups.com, "Ben" <bencroft96@> wrote:
> > > > >
> > > > > Hi,any one else replaced rear wheel
> > bearings more than once during ownership of their vehicle?
> > > > > I know of T3 Kombi to have 400+ and never
> > even heard a murmur from the rear bearings.
> > > > > I replaced the nsr today,I only did the
> > both sides 2 or 3 years ago.I had a growl
> > coming from that side,that changed pitch when braking,in and out of gear.
> > > > > The inner felt a little gritty.Hard to test the outer.
> > > > > Its got me thinking....
> > > > > Faulty bearing?in-correct install?driving
> > conditions?worn axle?worn bearing
> > hub?in-correct off set????Surely there is other
> > Kombi running around with different off-sets
> > and their not changing rears bearings every couple of years.
> > > > > Any one have any theories?
> > > > > BTW the nut was tight.
> > > > > BenC
> > > > >
> > > >
> > >
> >
> >
>
19
Phil,I thought they were from Antartica.
BenC

--- In Syncro_T3_Australia@yahoogroups.com, plander@... wrote:
>
> Â
> I wouldn't use them.
>
> Aren't they for the South African 2WD?
>
> Phil, I think they were a fat lip seal.
> BenC
>
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