RHD Westfalia - The Dream

Here's one for everyone.

Does anyone know of a Westfalia full factory camper fitout, roof, furniture  and all being grafted onto a RHD tin top Syncro? I realise the bodyshel roof detail of the Westfalia is different. Have seen a couple on The Samba, LHD Westy onto LHD Tintop


Have seen Jens Westy on CarSales where he has only converted to RHD steering.

Anyone seen a sliding door fitted to the other side? Looks to be a massive job if possible at all.


Any opinions on Westy vs Trakka (any contest?).


Bruce.

Hi Bruce, I have to reply to that one - I've got the best of both I reckon. 

Mine is an ex-telstra tintop van and a donor 83 westfalia.  I used the roof, roof top bed, front swivel seats and bottom bed from the westfalia.  However I ditched the westfalia cupboards and built my own (only took about 8 years) to have a bigger sink, removable cookers, and a trakka under-body water tank.  The westfalia takes up a lot of room with internal water tank.  Also a more efficient national luna chest fridge and freezer as opposed to the problematic westy fridge.  The westfalia in comparison to the trakka design IIRC allows keeping the top C pillar (or B pillar?) enabling a stiffer body.  Also what's called the 'buese shelf' I think a custom little shelf added to the westy pop top bar just makes life a lot easier when juggling plates etc cooking inside the van.  Tent availability for the westy roof - not sure how trakka roof tents are holding up these days, and how much a custom replacement costs.  However the low profile of the trakka roof I do envy, I require at least 2.2 metre high car parks and am looking to raise the van - problematic in Sydney.  I think the trakka roof overall makes the van look better too. But would I give up my buese shelf for the better looking roof?  Probably, then regret it!  Pros and cons to each.  Does the trakka roof have the front luggage rack?  Admittedly the only time I have properly used the luggage rack was to carry a bodyboard, then I forgot the bungee cords and donated the bodyboard to the highway.  Luggage rack will be useful when I finally get to do the big lap.

Talking about Jens beautiful van, unless you had a bunch of little ones traveling with you, I'm not sure the sliding door fitting to the other side would be a real issue?  A small part of ditching the westy cabinets for me was there would have been a fair bit of custom cabinetry to move the westy cupboards to the other side of the van.  Overall I wasn't a fan of the westy cabinets design and aesthetic, the 83 ones I had had the wood grain laminate starting to peel, the later grey laminate I think looks a lot nicer.  Some of the UK vans are westfalia RHD syncro aren't they?  The campervanculture vans?

Anyway I love my van just too much clearly, another 8 or so years and I might even get her to my dreamed design.  But it's looking good that she will get a paint job and 12v aircon system this year, can't wait. 

Cheers, Sam

    
Sam,
That's interesting.
The Westfalia factory campers have a body shell dubbed the "253-kombi" http://www.westfaliat3.info/html/westfalia_t3_buying_guide.html see under "Checks to make when viewing a Volkswagen Westfalia T25 / T3 / Vanagon Camper" Jens is a factor built weekender. See attached image for 253- under type. Most of the Aussie Syncros are Type 254. Did you transfer the Westfalia roof frame over to accept the pop top roof?

You're right though, there are trade-offs with both set-ups. The big attraction for me with the factory Wesfalias is the pop top roof that retains the B and C pillar. The rest is great but so is the Trakka, low profile roof, more accessable cabinets, removeable stove unit with extra storage, the brilliant 105 L Indel B eutectic fridge, two 55 L tanks underneath, Stratos swivel seats etc. The original canvas of mine has been replaced with a slightly ill-fitting white a vinyl coated canvas. Haven't costed a new one yet. $1-2k I guess.

Just checked the The Westfalia Joker on Campervan Culture. It's a LHD.

no luggage rack on the Trakka, the full length design wouldn't take too much extra weight unless you beefed up the gas struts.

Re air con. Mine had the Prestige dual system (non functioning) when I bought the van. Nearly 2 years ago I removed the second unit under the rear seat, then had local Vehicool re-plumb the whole system with new compressor. total cost was around $5k because it involved removing the dash and 40 hours labour cost. Works fine now albeit a little noisy with its dual plenum/ fan system under the dash.

Bruce.








From: "me@samarnold.org [Syncro_T3_Australia]" <Syncro_T3_Australia@yahoogroups.com>
To: Syncro_T3_Australia@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Saturday, 5 March 2016, 0:20
Subject: [Syncro_T3_Australia] Re: RHD Westfalia - The Dream

 
Hi Bruce, I have to reply to that one - I've got the best of both I reckon. 

Mine is an ex-telstra tintop van and a donor 83 westfalia.  I used the roof, roof top bed, front swivel seats and bottom bed from the westfalia.  However I ditched the westfalia cupboards and built my own (only took about 8 years) to have a bigger sink, removable cookers, and a trakka under-body water tank.  The westfalia takes up a lot of room with internal water tank.  Also a more efficient national luna chest fridge and freezer as opposed to the problematic westy fridge.  The westfalia in comparison to the trakka design IIRC allows keeping the top C pillar (or B pillar?) enabling a stiffer body.  Also what's called the 'buese shelf' I think a custom little shelf added to the westy pop top bar just makes life a lot easier when juggling plates etc cooking inside the van.  Tent availability for the westy roof - not sure how trakka roof tents are holding up these days, and how much a custom replacement costs.  However the low profile of the trakka roof I do envy, I require at least 2.2 metre high car parks and am looking to raise the van - problematic in Sydney.  I think the trakka roof overall makes the van look better too. But would I give up my buese shelf for the better looking roof?  Probably, then regret it!  Pros and cons to each.  Does the trakka roof have the front luggage rack?  Admittedly the only time I have properly used the luggage rack was to carry a bodyboard, then I forgot the bungee cords and donated the bodyboard to the highway.  Luggage rack will be useful when I finally get to do the big lap.

Talking about Jens beautiful van, unless you had a bunch of little ones traveling with you, I'm not sure the sliding door fitting to the other side would be a real issue?  A small part of ditching the westy cabinets for me was there would have been a fair bit of custom cabinetry to move the westy cupboards to the other side of the van.  Overall I wasn't a fan of the westy cabinets design and aesthetic, the 83 ones I had had the wood grain laminate starting to peel, the later grey laminate I think looks a lot nicer.  Some of the UK vans are westfalia RHD syncro aren't they?  The campervanculture vans?

Anyway I love my van just too much clearly, another 8 or so years and I might even get her to my dreamed design.  But it's looking good that she will get a paint job and 12v aircon system this year, can't wait. 

Cheers, Sam

    


Thought I saw somewhere that you could order a LHD with a Left slider Right slider or a double slider with the westfailia conversion with many options to fit out accordingly? But im not sure it referred to t3s ?
Cheers Peter

On Sat, Mar 5, 2016 at 12:12 PM, Bruce Morphett bruce.morphett@yahoo.com.au [Syncro_T3_Australia] <Syncro_T3_Australia@yahoogroups.com> wrote:

Sam,
That's interesting.
The Westfalia factory campers have a body shell dubbed the "253-kombi" http://www.westfaliat3.info/html/westfalia_t3_buying_guide.html see under "Checks to make when viewing a Volkswagen Westfalia T25 / T3 / Vanagon Camper" Jens is a factor built weekender. See attached image for 253- under type. Most of the Aussie Syncros are Type 254. Did you transfer the Westfalia roof frame over to accept the pop top roof?

You're right though, there are trade-offs with both set-ups. The big attraction for me with the factory Wesfalias is the pop top roof that retains the B and C pillar. The rest is great but so is the Trakka, low profile roof, more accessable cabinets, removeable stove unit with extra storage, the brilliant 105 L Indel B eutectic fridge, two 55 L tanks underneath, Stratos swivel seats etc. The original canvas of mine has been replaced with a slightly ill-fitting white a vinyl coated canvas. Haven't costed a new one yet. $1-2k I guess.

Just checked the The Westfalia Joker on Campervan Culture. It's a LHD.

no luggage rack on the Trakka, the full length design wouldn't take too much extra weight unless you beefed up the gas struts.

Re air con. Mine had the Prestige dual system (non functioning) when I bought the van. Nearly 2 years ago I removed the second unit under the rear seat, then had local Vehicool re-plumb the whole system with new compressor. total cost was around $5k because it involved removing the dash and 40 hours labour cost. Works fine now albeit a little noisy with its dual plenum/ fan system under the dash.

Bruce.








From: "me@samarnold.org [Syncro_T3_Australia]" <Syncro_T3_Australia@yahoogroups.com>
To: Syncro_T3_Australia@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Saturday, 5 March 2016, 0:20
Subject: [Syncro_T3_Australia] Re: RHD Westfalia - The Dream

Hi Bruce, I have to reply to that one - I've got the best of both I reckon.

Mine is an ex-telstra tintop van and a donor 83 westfalia. I used the roof, roof top bed, front swivel seats and bottom bed from the westfalia. However I ditched the westfalia cupboards and built my own (only took about 8 years) to have a bigger sink, removable cookers, and a trakka under-body water tank. The westfalia takes up a lot of room with internal water tank. Also a more efficient national luna chest fridge and freezer as opposed to the problematic westy fridge. The westfalia in comparison to the trakka design IIRC allows keeping the top C pillar (or B pillar?) enabling a stiffer body. Also what's called the 'buese shelf' I think a custom little shelf added to the westy pop top bar just makes life a lot easier when juggling plates etc cooking inside the van. Tent availability for the westy roof - not sure how trakka roof tents are holding up these days, and how much a custom replacement costs. However the low profile of the trakka roof I do envy, I require at least 2.2 metre high car parks and am looking to raise the van - problematic in Sydney. I think the trakka roof overall makes the van look better too. But would I give up my buese shelf for the better looking roof? Probably, then regret it! Pros and cons to each. Does the trakka roof have the front luggage rack? Admittedly the only time I have properly used the luggage rack was to carry a bodyboard, then I forgot the bungee cords and donated the bodyboard to the highway. Luggage rack will be useful when I finally get to do the big lap.

Talking about Jens beautiful van, unless you had a bunch of little ones traveling with you, I'm not sure the sliding door fitting to the other side would be a real issue? A small part of ditching the westy cabinets for me was there would have been a fair bit of custom cabinetry to move the westy cupboards to the other side of the van. Overall I wasn't a fan of the westy cabinets design and aesthetic, the 83 ones I had had the wood grain laminate starting to peel, the later grey laminate I think looks a lot nicer. Some of the UK vans are westfalia RHD syncro aren't they? The campervanculture vans?

Anyway I love my van just too much clearly, another 8 or so years and I might even get her to my dreamed design. But it's looking good that she will get a paint job and 12v aircon system this year, can't wait.

Cheers, Sam




Hey Bruce,

To answer your question, the roof on mine no it was a hack and slash job making use of aluminum angle and then a custom steel c pillar welded in - which I had to go back and make sure he did.  The story goes, it was when I first got the van, didn't know the different approaches to doing the roof and just found a guy who said he's an expert and can do the job for me.  He even cut the window holes and so now I have 4 sliding windows, however didn't bother to paint where he cut and I've had to take each window out and back in for rust repairs.  All said it works, after figuring out to use bigger rubber seals around the roof, but one day I need to figure out some interior trimming to make it look nice.

Lots of nice things about trakka.  Question is, I've heard a few people reminisce about losing b and c pillars, however, has anyone had a trakka van 'bend' on them due to this?
Hi Sam,
Been years since I last saw your ex Telecom work in progress. You're creating probably the one and only T3 syncro "ozfalia". Even more so, one with double thickness chassis rails! A unique club perhaps limited to a membership of one??!!

As I recall, what a coincidence! An overseas tourist bringing with them their LHD Westfalia T25/vanagon to tour Oz, only to abandon it here and you being in the right place at the right time to see its potential as a donor and snap it up.

Always wondered how you got on ... if you needed an engineers certificate and blue slip for the roof conversion?

Heh Sam, must be long overdue for a "show and tell"! The VW Nationals in Sydney are coming up on Sunday 22nd May 2016.

Cheers.
Ken








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From: "me@samarnold.org [Syncro_T3_Australia]" <Syncro_T3_Australia@yahoogroups.com>
Date: 05/03/2016 9:28 PM (GMT+10:00)
To: Syncro_T3_Australia@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [Syncro_T3_Australia] Re: RHD Westfalia - The Dream


 

Hey Bruce,

To answer your question, the roof on mine no it was a hack and slash job making use of aluminum angle and then a custom steel c pillar welded in - which I had to go back and make sure he did.  The story goes, it was when I first got the van, didn't know the different approaches to doing the roof and just found a guy who said he's an expert and can do the job for me.  He even cut the window holes and so now I have 4 sliding windows, however didn't bother to paint where he cut and I've had to take each window out and back in for rust repairs.  All said it works, after figuring out to use bigger rubber seals around the roof, but one day I need to figure out some interior trimming to make it look nice.

Lots of nice things about trakka.  Question is, I've heard a few people reminisce about losing b and c pillars, however, has anyone had a trakka van 'bend' on them due to this?

Hey Ken, it would be nice to say hello again.  Yes you would not have seen that cupboards finally in - she's actually a campervan now, as opposed to a van with a poptop roof and bed.  I've put the date in my diary, who knows I might be painted by then and not quite as shabby as you have previously seen her.  Yes I've had two engineers reports now, one initially for the roof and then the sliding windows, and rear seatbelts - got lucky there again and engineer passed the wooden westfalia seat installed on the opposite side of it's usual location.  Wondering if I will need a third engineers when I finally get some nice bumpers with all the new bull bar laws that have come out.  Will they even let a custom bull-bar or american made bar these days? 

Ahh Jen's van I believe also fits largely the 'ozfalia' club, and I have seen the westy roof once or twice on occasion around Australia, but never got to interrogate the owner.
Hi Sam,
Do a search for bullbar design rule changes in NSW, seems to me changes apply only to vehicles manufactured after 31st December 2002.
So looking at the diagram examples shown of new rules for complying bullbars, clearly the T3 Trakka bullbar for example would fail new compliance.
So in the first instance, maybe you should ask your local blue slip inspector whether or not there are ANY restriction still applying for pre 31.12.2002 vehicles and be guided by findings concerning design compliance.
Some people prefer no bullbar ... less bulk and weight and worry about compliance.
Also, when did you last hit a roo or pedestrian? Maybe never?
Cheers.
Ken


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From: "me@samarnold.org [Syncro_T3_Australia]"
Date:06/03/2016 12:16 PM (GMT+10:00)
To: Syncro_T3_Australia@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [Syncro_T3_Australia] Re: RHD Westfalia - The Dream

 

Hey Ken, it would be nice to say hello again.  Yes you would not have seen that cupboards finally in - she's actually a campervan now, as opposed to a van with a poptop roof and bed.  I've put the date in my diary, who knows I might be painted by then and not quite as shabby as you have previously seen her.  Yes I've had two engineers reports now, one initially for the roof and then the sliding windows, and rear seatbelts - got lucky there again and engineer passed the wooden westfalia seat installed on the opposite side of it's usual location.  Wondering if I will need a third engineers when I finally get some nice bumpers with all the new bull bar laws that have come out.  Will they even let a custom bull-bar or american made bar these days? 

Ahh Jen's van I believe also fits largely the 'ozfalia' club, and I have seen the westy roof once or twice on occasion around Australia, but never got to interrogate the owner.

Hey Ken and Sam,

There is another for your club - Hamish Dobson has an ex telstra syncro with a westfalia roof.

See attached photo of Hamish in his beast at Valla in 2014 with our off road adventure.

Hamish has gone to town on this one with his add-ons.

Cheers,

Skot

On 6/03/2016 12:16 PM, me@samarnold.org [Syncro_T3_Australia] wrote:

Hey Ken, it would be nice to say hello again. Yes you would not have seen that cupboards finally in - she's actually a campervan now, as opposed to a van with a poptop roof and bed. I've put the date in my diary, who knows I might be painted by then and not quite as shabby as you have previously seen her. Yes I've had two engineers reports now, one initially for the roof and then the sliding windows, and rear seatbelts - got lucky there again and engineer passed the wooden westfalia seat installed on the opposite side of it's usual location. Wondering if I will need a third engineers when I finally get some nice bumpers with all the new bull bar laws that have come out. Will they even let a custom bull-bar or american made bar these days?

Ahh Jen's van I believe also fits largely the 'ozfalia' club, and I have seen the westy roof once or twice on occasion around Australia, but never got to interrogate the owner.


Hi Scott,
So there you go ... at least 3 now!
Well that pretty much covers president, secretary and treasurer of ozfalia club. Think it has legs.
But I agree with Sam. The trakka poptop profile is so much nicer.
Ken

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Date:06/03/2016 8:32 PM (GMT+10:00)
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Hey Ken and Sam,

There is another for your club - Hamish Dobson has an ex telstra syncro with a westfalia roof.

See attached photo of Hamish in his beast at Valla in 2014 with our off road adventure.

Hamish has gone to town on this one with his add-ons.

Cheers,

Skot

On 6/03/2016 12:16 PM, me@samarnold.org [Syncro_T3_Australia] wrote:
 

Hey Ken, it would be nice to say hello again.  Yes you would not have seen that cupboards finally in - she's actually a campervan now, as opposed to a van with a poptop roof and bed.  I've put the date in my diary, who knows I might be painted by then and not quite as shabby as you have previously seen her.  Yes I've had two engineers reports now, one initially for the roof and then the sliding windows, and rear seatbelts - got lucky there again and engineer passed the wooden westfalia seat installed on the opposite side of it's usual location.  Wondering if I will need a third engineers when I finally get some nice bumpers with all the new bull bar laws that have come out.  Will they even let a custom bull-bar or american made bar these days? 

Ahh Jen's van I believe also fits largely the 'ozfalia' club, and I have seen the westy roof once or twice on occasion around Australia, but never got to interrogate the owner.


Thanks Ken, actually have had close kangaroo calls in my other car in Werrington near Penrith of all places!  Would be great to confirm that we have free range on bull bars on the syncro.

On another note fingers crossed speedy recovery for Les