selectable 4wd

syncroaustralia · 18 December 2009 22:55

Phill,

OK, I have found it. Yes, it is in the 094 gearbox manual, Publication 000.5381.81.20, a copy of which you sent to me.

Les

From: Syncro_T3_Australia @yahoogroups. com [mailto: Syncro_T3_Australia @yahoogroups. com ] On Behalf Of plander@optusnet. com.au
Sent: 18 December 2009 20:28
To: Syncro_T3_Australia @yahoogroups. com
Subject: Re: RE: [Syncro_T3_Australi a] Re: selectable 4wd

I think that Ben is talking about the genuine VAG manual. Didn't I photocopy that one for you Les?

syncro · 18 December 2009 23:16

Les,
I have posted your copy yesterday. I have included some spare covers so you can copy the CD for the locals. There is an extra CD for you with a .pub file of the covers for use with Microsoft Publisher. If you do not have publisher, you can download a trial version for 60 days.

There is all of the information on the decoupler that you will ever need (including wiring diagrams) and it is all genuine VAG factory publications, except the silver covered one which is VW of America.

Phill

> Les Harris <leslieharris@optusnet.com.au> wrote:
>
> Thanks Ben.
>
> Phill, this is presumably on your upcoming compilation.
>
> Les
>
>
>
> _____
>
> From: Syncro_T3_Australia@yahoogroups.com
> [mailto:Syncro_T3_Australia@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of bencroft96
> Sent: 18 December 2009 19:42
> To: Syncro_T3_Australia@yahoogroups.com
> Subject: [Syncro_T3_Australia] Re: selectable 4wd
>
>
>
>
>
> Les,it is the VAG T25 sevice manual that Phill copied for me.It is now
> in my
> glovebox with the ETKA and Bentleys on USB.As for numbers,I rekon Phill
> is
> your man.
>
> --- In Syncro_T3_Australia
> <mailto:Syncro_T3_Australia%40yahoogroups.com>
> @yahoogroups.com, "Les Harris" <leslieharris@...> wrote:
> >
> > Ben,
> >
> > If you are referring to what we loosely refer to as Bentleys, the
> gearbox
> > and driveline has 5 repair groups but it looks like your are referring
> to
> a
> > different manual. What I need is the full title and the VAG
> publication
> > number.
> >
> > Les
> >
> >
> >
> > _____
> >
> > From: Syncro_T3_Australia
> <mailto:Syncro_T3_Australia%40yahoogroups.com>
> @yahoogroups.com
> > [mailto:Syncro_T3_Australia
> <mailto:Syncro_T3_Australia%40yahoogroups.com>
> @yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of bencroft96
> > Sent: 18 December 2009 18:25
> > To: Syncro_T3_Australia <mailto:Syncro_T3_Australia%40yahoogroups.com>
> @yahoogroups.com
> > Subject: [Syncro_T3_Australia] Re: selectable 4wd
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > Les,the page number in the VAG T25 manual is page 10 of the gearbox
> > section,tittled Gearbox layout.There is a diagram(similar to the
> switch
> > panel in my dash,but more specific).
> > Designation #6 is the decoupler,named the 4wd shift element,with a
> > subtitle,Only on vehicles with selectable 4wd.
> > Page 12 instructs you on proper towng procederes and performance
> testing
> on
> > both permant and selectable 4wd vehicles.
> > Page 27 also has the title, controls,housing and describes seleactable
> > 4wd,but I cannot find the diagram.This is as far as I have read.I hope
> this
> > doesnt confuse the issue anymore.
> > --- In Syncro_T3_Australia
> <mailto:Syncro_T3_Australia%40yahoogroups.com>
> > @yahoogroups.com, "Les Harris" <leslieharris@> wrote:
> > >
> > > Ben,
> > >
> > > Please give the page number and I will track it down.
> > >
> > > Les
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > _____
> > >
> > > From: Syncro_T3_Australia
> <mailto:Syncro_T3_Australia%40yahoogroups.com>
> > @yahoogroups.com
> > > [mailto:Syncro_T3_Australia
> <mailto:Syncro_T3_Australia%40yahoogroups.com>
> > @yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of bencroft96
> > > Sent: 17 December 2009 22:42
> > > To: Syncro_T3_Australia
> <mailto:Syncro_T3_Australia%40yahoogroups.com>
> > @yahoogroups.com
> > > Subject: [Syncro_T3_Australia] selectable 4wd
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > Group,there is mention about this option in the VAG
> manual,unfortuently
> I
> > > dont have the skills to foward it to you.I am sure you will all get
> a
> copy
> > > eventually
> > >
> >

syncro · 18 December 2009 23:19

> I am in the process of listing what I have (both hard copy and
> electronic)
> in response to your earlier request for such information from members.
> I am
> still checking to see if I have anything else hidden away.
>
> Les
>

Thanks Les. Let me know what you have.

I am after wiring diagrams as I do not have the complete set after about '87.

Phill

turbovan2001 · 19 December 2009 03:11

are you guys calling 'having a de-coupler' Selectable 4WD ?

You could call it that of course.

regarding wiring - I can't say about your syncro vans down there, but in North American models......the wiring for the de-coupler indicator switch is already right there in the wiring harness. You kind of have to dig it out .........but it's there, already installed from the factory.

hope this is of some help.

www.turbovans.com

Oregon, USA.

----- Original Message -----

From: bencroft96

To: Syncro_T3_Australia@yahoogroups.com

Sent: Thursday, December 17, 2009 11:24 PM

Subject: [Syncro_T3_Australia] Re: selectable 4wd

Les,the page number in the VAG T25 manual is page 10 of the gearbox section,tittled Gearbox layout.There is a diagram(similar to the switch panel in my dash,but more specific).
Designation #6 is the decoupler,named the 4wd shift element,with a subtitle,Only on vehicles with selectable 4wd.
Page 12 instructs you on proper towng procederes and performance testing on both permant and selectable 4wd vehicles.
Page 27 also has the title, controls,housing and describes seleactable 4wd,but I cannot find the diagram.This is as far as I have read.I hope this doesnt confuse the issue anymore.
--- In Syncro_T3_Australia @yahoogroups. com, "Les Harris" <leslieharris@ ...> wrote:
>
> Ben,
>
> Please give the page number and I will track it down.
>
> Les
>
>
>
> _____
>
> From: Syncro_T3_Australia @yahoogroups. com
> [mailto:Syncro_T3_Australia @yahoogroups. com] On Behalf Of bencroft96
> Sent: 17 December 2009 22:42
> To: Syncro_T3_Australia @yahoogroups. com
> Subject: [Syncro_T3_Australi a] selectable 4wd
>
>
>
>
>
> Group,there is mention about this option in the VAG manual,unfortuently I
> dont have the skills to foward it to you.I am sure you will all get a copy
> eventually
>

syncroaustralia · 19 December 2009 03:27

Scott,

You have come in at the end of a very long stream of posts on this subject. This started from me looking for VAG documentation on what they called “Engageable/Disengageable 4WD” in VAG Publication 500.2808.81.20, dated January 1985.

We now know conclusively that VAG offered a decoupler/solid shaft option from the outset and it had its own VAG option code. It appears in a number of their workshop manuals, for example VAG Publication 000.5381.5381.81.20, the workshop manual for the 094 gearbox.

We haven’t yet found any evidence that the prospective buyers got to hear about it via the public domain, like sales brochures, but it most certainly did exist throughout the life of the model.

And yes, the wiring was common to all Syncros, including the RH drive.

Les

From: Syncro_T3_Australia@yahoogroups.com [mailto: Syncro_T3_Australia@yahoogroups.com ] On Behalf Of Scott Daniel - Turbovans
Sent: 19 December 2009 14:12
To: Syncro_T3_Australia@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [Syncro_T3_Australia] Re: selectable 4wd

are you guys calling 'having a de-coupler' Selectable 4WD ?

You could call it that of course.

regarding wiring - I can't say about your syncro vans down there, but in North American models...... the wiring for the de-coupler indicator switch is already right there in the wiring harness. You kind of have to dig it out .........but it's there, already installed from the factory.

hope this is of some help.

www.turbovans. com

Oregon , USA .

----- Original Message -----

From: bencroft96

To: Syncro_T3_Australia @yahoogroups. com

Sent: Thursday, December 17, 2009 11:24 PM

Subject: [Syncro_T3_Australi a] Re: selectable 4wd

Les,the page number in the VAG T25 manual is page 10 of the gearbox section,tittled Gearbox layout.There is a diagram(similar to the switch panel in my dash,but more specific).
Designation #6 is the decoupler,named the 4wd shift element,with a subtitle,Only on vehicles with selectable 4wd.
Page 12 instructs you on proper towng procederes and performance testing on both permant and selectable 4wd vehicles.
Page 27 also has the title, controls,housing and describes seleactable 4wd,but I cannot find the diagram.This is as far as I have read.I hope this doesnt confuse the issue anymore.
--- In Syncro_T3_Australia @yahoogroups. com, "Les Harris" <leslieharris@ ...> wrote:
>
> Ben,
>
> Please give the page number and I will track it down.
>
> Les
>
>
>
> _____
>
> From: Syncro_T3_Australia @yahoogroups. com
> [mailto:Syncro_T3_Australia @yahoogroups. com] On Behalf Of bencroft96
> Sent: 17 December 2009 22:42
> To: Syncro_T3_Australia @yahoogroups. com
> Subject: [Syncro_T3_Australi a] selectable 4wd
>
>
>
>
>
> Group,there is mention about this option in the VAG manual,unfortuently I
> dont have the skills to foward it to you.I am sure you will all get a copy
> eventually
>

turbovan2001 · 19 December 2009 04:01

hi,

thanks for sharing that.

this is the first I've heard that there 'always was' a decoupler/solid shaft option from the beginning.

You'd never know that from any VW North American literature that I've seen, as you suggest.

Scott

----- Original Message -----

From: Les Harris

To: Syncro_T3_Australia@yahoogroups.com

Sent: Friday, December 18, 2009 7:27 PM

Subject: RE: [Syncro_T3_Australia] Re: selectable 4wd

Scott,

You have come in at the end of a very long stream of posts on this subject. This started from me looking for VAG documentation on what they called Engageable/Disengag eable 4WD in VAG Publication 500.2808.81. 20, dated January 1985.

We now know conclusively that VAG offered a decoupler/solid shaft option from the outset and it had its own VAG option code. It appears in a number of their workshop manuals, for example VAG Publication 000.5381.5381. 81.20, the workshop manual for the 094 gearbox.

We havent yet found any evidence that the prospective buyers got to hear about it via the public domain, like sales brochures, but it most certainly did exist throughout the life of the model.

And yes, the wiring was common to all Syncros, including the RH drive.

Les

From: Syncro_T3_Australia @yahoogroups. com [mailto: Syncro_T3_Australia @yahoogroups. com ] On Behalf Of Scott Daniel - Turbovans
Sent: 19 December 2009 14:12
To: Syncro_T3_Australia @yahoogroups. com
Subject: Re: [Syncro_T3_Australi a] Re: selectable 4wd

are you guys calling 'having a de-coupler' Selectable 4WD ?

You could call it that of course.

regarding wiring - I can't say about your syncro vans down there, but in North American models...... the wiring for the de-coupler indicator switch is already right there in the wiring harness. You kind of have to dig it out .........but it's there, already installed from the factory.

hope this is of some help.

www.turbovans. com

Oregon , USA .

----- Original Message -----

From: bencroft96

To: Syncro_T3_Australia @yahoogroups. com

Sent: Thursday, December 17, 2009 11:24 PM

Subject: [Syncro_T3_Australi a] Re: selectable 4wd

Les,the page number in the VAG T25 manual is page 10 of the gearbox section,tittled Gearbox layout.There is a diagram(similar to the switch panel in my dash,but more specific).
Designation #6 is the decoupler,named the 4wd shift element,with a subtitle,Only on vehicles with selectable 4wd.
Page 12 instructs you on proper towng procederes and performance testing on both permant and selectable 4wd vehicles.
Page 27 also has the title, controls,housing and describes seleactable 4wd,but I cannot find the diagram.This is as far as I have read.I hope this doesnt confuse the issue anymore.
--- In Syncro_T3_Australia @yahoogroups. com, "Les Harris" <leslieharris@ ...> wrote:
>
> Ben,
>
> Please give the page number and I will track it down.
>
> Les
>
>
>
> _____
>
> From: Syncro_T3_Australia @yahoogroups. com
> [mailto:Syncro_T3_Australia @yahoogroups. com] On Behalf Of bencroft96
> Sent: 17 December 2009 22:42
> To: Syncro_T3_Australia @yahoogroups. com
> Subject: [Syncro_T3_Australi a] selectable 4wd
>
>
>
>
>
> Group,there is mention about this option in the VAG manual,unfortuently I
> dont have the skills to foward it to you.I am sure you will all get a copy
> eventually
>

syncroaustralia · 19 December 2009 04:38

Scott

My search actually started a bit before the 500.2808.81. 20 publication. For as long as I have been involved with Syncros, I have encountered references to an “early” version of the Syncro that had engageable 4WD, operated by a Bowden cable but could never pin it down to any specific VAG source and there was a lot of conflicting information around.

After a lot of digging, we finally found references in official VAG publications, the earliest reference so far being the January 85 publication, which is around the time of the introduction of the Syncro. Finding that it was a VAG option from introduction has come as a surprise to many of us, including me. (There was a confusing factor earlier in the search and that was the Swedish tax-dodge PTO option.)

VAG used two descriptors that I have found so far:

Selectable 4WD
Engageable/disengageable 4WD

(We aren’t guilty of making up the name.)

Les

From: Syncro_T3_Australia@yahoogroups.com [mailto: Syncro_T3_Australia@yahoogroups.com ] On Behalf Of Scott Daniel - Turbovans
Sent: 19 December 2009 15:02
To: Syncro_T3_Australia@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [Syncro_T3_Australia] Re: selectable 4wd

hi,

thanks for sharing that.

this is the first I've heard that there 'always was' a decoupler/solid shaft option from the beginning.

You'd never know that from any VW North American literature that I've seen, as you suggest.

Scott

mikeplompen · 19 December 2009 09:12

VW shows in ETKA/ETOS a picture of engageable 4wd, that is, on the pictures they say that it is engageable 4wd. But the picture/drawing is wrong. On the drawing you see the cable operated PTO, as sold only in FINLAND for tax reasons.

In the very beginning VW offered engeagable 4wd as an option, in one of the promotional vw video’s they talk about it and in some vw orginal manuals they also mention it.

As far as I know they only offered this in combination with a solid shaft. They must have sold a couple of cars with them.

I think they stopped producing them very soon since customers all opted for the superior system with full time 4wd.

We’ll ask the vw guys the why and when’s about the decoupler when they attend the syncro25years meeting next year near Hannover in Germany .

Mike

bencroft96 · 19 December 2009 09:56

Scott Daniel,selectable 4wd is how the VAG manual descibes the decoupler.

--- In Syncro_T3_Australia@yahoogroups.com, "Scott Daniel - Turbovans" <ScottDaniel@...> wrote:
>
> are you guys calling 'having a de-coupler' Selectable 4WD ?
> You could call it that of course.
>
> regarding wiring - I can't say about your syncro vans down there, but in North American models......the wiring for the de-coupler indicator switch is already right there in the wiring harness. You kind of have to dig it out .........but it's there, already installed from the factory.
>
> hope this is of some help.
>
> www.turbovans.com
> Oregon, USA.
>
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: bencroft96
> To: Syncro_T3_Australia@yahoogroups.com
> Sent: Thursday, December 17, 2009 11:24 PM
> Subject: [Syncro_T3_Australia] Re: selectable 4wd
>
>
>
> Les,the page number in the VAG T25 manual is page 10 of the gearbox section,tittled Gearbox layout.There is a diagram(similar to the switch panel in my dash,but more specific).
> Designation #6 is the decoupler,named the 4wd shift element,with a subtitle,Only on vehicles with selectable 4wd.
> Page 12 instructs you on proper towng procederes and performance testing on both permant and selectable 4wd vehicles.
> Page 27 also has the title, controls,housing and describes seleactable 4wd,but I cannot find the diagram.This is as far as I have read.I hope this doesnt confuse the issue anymore.
> --- In Syncro_T3_Australia@yahoogroups.com, "Les Harris" <leslieharris@> wrote:
> >
> > Ben,
> >
> > Please give the page number and I will track it down.
> >
> > Les
> >
> >
> >
> > _____
> >
> > From: Syncro_T3_Australia@yahoogroups.com
> > [mailto:Syncro_T3_Australia@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of bencroft96
> > Sent: 17 December 2009 22:42
> > To: Syncro_T3_Australia@yahoogroups.com
> > Subject: [Syncro_T3_Australia] selectable 4wd
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > Group,there is mention about this option in the VAG manual,unfortuently I
> > dont have the skills to foward it to you.I am sure you will all get a copy
> > eventually
> >
>

syncro · 19 December 2009 21:04

> are you guys calling 'having a de-coupler' Selectable 4WD ?
> You could call it that of course.

That's what Volkswagen call it in their publications,

syncro · 19 December 2009 21:13

> mike plompen <borzeken@telenet.be> wrote:
>
> VW shows in ETKA/ETOS a picture of engageable 4wd, that is, on the
> pictures
> they say that it is engageable 4wd. But the picture/drawing is wrong. On
> the
> drawing you see the cable operated PTO, as sold only in FINLAND for tax
> reasons.
>

My version is OK

> In the very beginning VW offered engeagable 4wd as an option, in one of
> the
> promotional vw video's they talk about it and in some vw orginal manuals
> they also mention it.
>
> As far as I know they only offered this in combination with a solid
> shaft.

That is correct.

> They must have sold a couple of cars with them.
>

I think that they were sold to the Danish(?) military.

> I think they stopped producing them very soon since customers all opted
> for
> the superior system with full time 4wd.
>

I think that they were available but they were not offered, and not really wanted by customers.