shocks

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Hi everyone
could you please let me know about shocks for my 92 syncro looking to
buy front and back
Saw some advertised on Ebay out of Hastings NSW $149 pair for front
$298 for back
Any feedback would be greatly appreciated
Thank you in Advance
Robert
2
Hi Robert. The shocks on ebay are being offered by an automotive parts
supplier in Kempsey called 'ultra cheap auto'. The proprietor is Allan
Manning. A few years ago he bought a job lot of shocks(shipping
containers full) at an auction. Alot of them turned out to fit european
cars. He has been cross referencing part numbers to see what he's got
and then offering them for sale on ebay or direct from his shop. His
prices are very good but quality unknown. At these prices they are
probably worth a punt especially the fronts. Ijust paid $450 for ome
front shocks. I'd ring Allan first and confirm they are definitely
syncro shocks and not standard 2wd t3. The correct part number for the
front is N38S. Allans phone 0265624961 or 0265631100. Good luck
Bill.
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> muddy3267 <marg_bill@westnet.com.au> wrote:
>
> Hi Robert. The shocks on ebay are being offered by an automotive parts
> supplier in Kempsey called 'ultra cheap auto'. The proprietor is Allan
> Manning. A few years ago he bought a job lot of shocks(shipping
> containers full) at an auction.

Be carefull.

Many years ago I could have bought syncro shocks for $14 ea.
4
Gday Robert and ALL,
Not cheap but as they say, you get what you pay for .....
 
I posted here late last year that Old Man Emu shocks were on sale for a week (at the time) at ARB 4WD outlet stores, I believe Phill and I rushed in and bought a full set each. It was only 10% off but heh, figured delaying only means they will be dearer next time.
 
So now, not being on special, expect to pay around $750 for a full set of syncro shocks, heh at least they are available in Oz .... that in itself is a bonus.
 
Talking about shocks, just curious to know when I get around to installing the front OME shocks, is this a big drama or can an amateur like me who likes to tinker but accepts I do have my limitations, would I be able to carry out this procedure?
 
Cheers.
 
Ken

--- On Mon, 2/2/09, mmultihull1 <mmultihull1@yahoo.com> wrote:

From: mmultihull1 <mmultihull1@yahoo.com>
Subject: [Syncro_T3_Australia] shocks
To: Syncro_T3_Australia@yahoogroups.com
Received: Monday, 2 February, 2009, 1:08 PM

Hi everyone
could you please let me know about shocks for my 92 syncro looking to
buy front and back
Saw some advertised on Ebay out of Hastings NSW $149 pair for front
$298 for back
Any feedback would be greatly appreciated
Thank you in Advance
Robert


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5

Ken,
 
Thanks for retrieving this information.  I was fairly sure that you had posted on this recently but the information is on my working laptop, which refused to turn on a couple of mornings ago.  It is in for service and I won't get it back before tonight at the earliest.
 
Re changing shocks, I haven't done a Syncro change but generally the only safe way to dismantle and reinstall the front springs is to use a spring clamp.  This is a device which engages in the spring coils and is then wound down on a screw thread until the spring is short enough to just lift in and out.  Quite a few workshops mandate spring clamps because of the high risks involved if a spring skids out when using the jacking method.
 
Les
 
 
----- Original Message -----
Sent: Friday, February 06, 2009 10:22 AM
Subject: Re: [Syncro_T3_Australia] shocks

Gday Robert and ALL,
Not cheap but as they say, you get what you pay for .....
 
I posted here late last year that Old Man Emu shocks were on sale for a week (at the time) at ARB 4WD outlet stores, I believe Phill and I rushed in and bought a full set each. It was only 10% off but heh, figured delaying only means they will be dearer next time.
 
So now, not being on special, expect to pay around $750 for a full set of syncro shocks, heh at least they are available in Oz .... that in itself is a bonus.
 
Talking about shocks, just curious to know when I get around to installing the front OME shocks, is this a big drama or can an amateur like me who likes to tinker but accepts I do have my limitations, would I be able to carry out this procedure?
 
Cheers.
 
Ken

--- On Mon, 2/2/09, mmultihull1 <mmultihull1@ yahoo.com> wrote:

From: mmultihull1 <mmultihull1@ yahoo.com>
Subject: [Syncro_T3_Australi a] shocks
To: Syncro_T3_Australia @yahoogroups. com
Received: Monday, 2 February, 2009, 1:08 PM

Hi everyone
could you please let me know about shocks for my 92 syncro looking to
buy front and back
Saw some advertised on Ebay out of Hastings NSW $149 pair for front
$298 for back
Any feedback would be greatly appreciated
Thank you in Advance
Robert


Make Yahoo!7 your homepage and win a trip to the Quiksilver Pro. Find out more.

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You may need a good spring compressor. Ron, just did one using a hoist and had a little bit of trouble fitting his spring compressor in the confined space.



> Ken Garratt <unclekenz@yahoo.com> wrote:
>
> Gday Robert and ALL,
> Not cheap but as they say, you get what you pay for .....
> ��
> I posted here late last year that Old Man Emu shocks were on sale for a
> week (at the time) at ARB 4WD outlet stores, I believe Phill and I
> rushed in and bought a full set each. It was only 10% off but heh,
> figured delaying only means they will be dearer next time.
> ��
> So now, not being on special, expect to pay around $750 for a full set
> of syncro shocks, heh at least they are available in Oz .... that in
> itself is a bonus.
> ��
> Talking about shocks, just curious to know when I get around to
> installing the front OME shocks, is this a big drama or can an amateur
> like me who likes to tinker but accepts I do have my limitations, would
> I be able to carry out this procedure?
> ��
> Cheers.
> ��
> Ken
>
> --- On Mon, 2/2/09, mmultihull1 <mmultihull1@yahoo.com> wrote:
>
>
> From: mmultihull1 <mmultihull1@yahoo.com>
> Subject: [Syncro_T3_Australia] shocks
> To: Syncro_T3_Australia@yahoogroups.com
> Received: Monday, 2 February, 2009, 1:08 PM
>
>
>
>
>
>
> Hi everyone
> could you please let me know about shocks for my 92 syncro looking to
> buy front and back
> Saw some advertised on Ebay out of Hastings NSW $149 pair for front
> $298 for back
> Any feedback would be greatly appreciated
> Thank you in Advance
> Robert
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> Make Yahoo!7 your homepage and win a trip to the Quiksilver Pro.
> Find out more
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>just be sure you have quality spring clamps.I changed mine years ago
and found out the hard way that cheap clamps can slip off and the
result being an exploding spring -very dangerous possibly deadly.Be
careful ! Good luck, Eddie.
> Gday Robert and ALL,
> Not cheap but as they say, you get what you pay for .....
> Â
> I posted here late last year that Old Man Emu shocks were on sale
for a week (at the time) at ARB 4WD outlet stores, I believe Phill
and I rushed in and bought a full set each. It was only 10% off but
heh, figured delaying only means they will be dearer next time.
> Â
> So now, not being on special, expect to pay around $750 for a full
set of syncro shocks, heh at least they are available in Oz .... that
in itself is a bonus.
> Â
> Talking about shocks, just curious to know when I get around to
installing the front OME shocks, is this a big drama or can an
amateur like me who likes to tinker but accepts I do have my
limitations, would I be able to carry out this procedure?
> Â
> Cheers.
> Â
> Ken
>
> --- On Mon, 2/2/09, mmultihull1 <mmultihull1@...> wrote:
>
>
> From: mmultihull1 <mmultihull1@...>
> Subject: [Syncro_T3_Australia] shocks
> To: Syncro_T3_Australia@yahoogroups.com
> Received: Monday, 2 February, 2009, 1:08 PM
>
>
>
>
>
>
> Hi everyone
> could you please let me know about shocks for my 92 syncro looking
to
> buy front and back
> Saw some advertised on Ebay out of Hastings NSW $149 pair for front
> $298 for back
> Any feedback would be greatly appreciated
> Thank you in Advance
> Robert
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> Make Yahoo!7 your homepage and win a trip to the Quiksilver
Pro. Find out more
>
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I avoided the use of the word "deadly" but this is the reason why many workshops use spring clamps only. 
As Eddie says, a spring spat out sideways can indeed be deadly.
 
Les
 
----- Original Message -----
From: bergodaz
Sent: Saturday, February 07, 2009 9:39 AM
Subject: [Syncro_T3_Australia] Re: shocks

>just be sure you have quality spring clamps.I changed mine years ago
and found out the hard way that cheap clamps can slip off and the
result being an exploding spring -very dangerous possibly deadly.Be
careful ! Good luck, Eddie.

.

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Regrettably I don't have a hoist here, just a jack and vehicle stands.
In my next life, when I build my next place I'll construct one of those
under vehicle mechanics pits below floor level. Be handy for us syncro
nuts.

So are you saying just using a jack and jack stands and only
concentrating on one at a time, may still be problematic?

I do have the VAG workshop manuals and Bentley syncro extract, they
certainly help but I reckon in a lot of cases, the authors expect
assumed knowledge when it comes to procedure, technique and problem
solving, let alone special tools, leaving amateurs somewhat befuddled.
Still, all things being realistic, happy to give it a go.


--- In Syncro_T3_Australia@yahoogroups.com, plander@... wrote:
>
> You may need a good spring compressor. Ron, just did one using a hoist
and had a little bit of trouble fitting his spring compressor in the
confined space.
>
>
>
> > Ken Garratt unclekenz@... wrote:
> >
> > Gday Robert and ALL,
> > Not cheap but as they say, you get what you pay for .....
> > Â
> > I posted here late last year that Old Man Emu shocks were on sale
for a
> > week (at the time) at ARB 4WD outlet stores, I believe Phill and I
> > rushed in and bought a full set each. It was only 10% off but heh,
> > figured delaying only means they will be dearer next time.
> > Â
> > So now, not being on special, expect to pay around $750 for a full
set
> > of syncro shocks, heh at least they are available in Oz .... that in
> > itself is a bonus.
> > Â
> > Talking about shocks, just curious to know when I get around to
> > installing the front OME shocks, is this a big drama or can an
amateur
> > like me who likes to tinker but accepts I do have my limitations,
would
> > I be able to carry out this procedure?
> > Â
> > Cheers.
> > Â
> > Ken
> >
> > --- On Mon, 2/2/09, mmultihull1 mmultihull1@... wrote:
> >
> >
> > From: mmultihull1 mmultihull1@...
> > Subject: [Syncro_T3_Australia] shocks
> > To: Syncro_T3_Australia@yahoogroups.com
> > Received: Monday, 2 February, 2009, 1:08 PM
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > Hi everyone
> > could you please let me know about shocks for my 92 syncro looking
to
> > buy front and back
> > Saw some advertised on Ebay out of Hastings NSW $149 pair for front
> > $298 for back
> > Any feedback would be greatly appreciated
> > Thank you in Advance
> > Robert
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > Make Yahoo!7 your homepage and win a trip to the Quiksilver Pro.
> > Find out more
>
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Ken,

 

There is a completely safe way of removing the front springs without using spring compressors. I have successfully accomplished this and passed on the method to Andy Keith who had to replace his springs during his trip around Oz. If you are interested in the method I can pmail it to you – it is quite straight forward.

 

Yurik

 

From: Syncro_T3_Australia@yahoogroups.com [mailto:Syncro_T3_Australia@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Ken
Sent: Saturday, 7 February 2009 7:45 AM
To: Syncro_T3_Australia@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [Syncro_T3_Australia] shocks

 


Regrettably I don't have a hoist here, just a jack and vehicle stands.
In my next life, when I build my next place I'll construct one of those
under vehicle mechanics pits below floor level. Be handy for us syncro
nuts.

So are you saying just using a jack and jack stands and only
concentrating on one at a time, may still be problematic?

I do have the VAG workshop manuals and Bentley syncro extract, they
certainly help but I reckon in a lot of cases, the authors expect
assumed knowledge when it comes to procedure, technique and problem
solving, let alone special tools, leaving amateurs somewhat befuddled.
Still, all things being realistic, happy to give it a go.

--- In Syncro_T3_Australia@yahoogroups.com, plander@... wrote:

>
> You may need a good spring compressor. Ron, just did one using a hoist
and had a little bit of trouble fitting his spring compressor in the
confined space.
>
>
>
> > Ken Garratt unclekenz@... wrote:
> >
> > Gday Robert and ALL,
> > Not cheap but as they say, you get what you pay for .....
> > Â
> > I posted here late last year that Old Man Emu shocks were on sale
for a
> > week (at the time) at ARB 4WD outlet stores, I believe Phill and I
> > rushed in and bought a full set each. It was only 10% off but heh,
> > figured delaying only means they will be dearer next time.
> > Â
> > So now, not being on special, expect to pay around $750 for a full
set
> > of syncro shocks, heh at least they are available in Oz .... that in
> > itself is a bonus.
> > Â
> > Talking about shocks, just curious to know when I get around to
> > installing the front OME shocks, is this a big drama or can an
amateur
> > like me who likes to tinker but accepts I do have my limitations,
would
> > I be able to carry out this procedure?
> > Â
> > Cheers.
> > Â
> > Ken
> >
> > --- On Mon, 2/2/09, mmultihull1 mmultihull1@... wrote:
> >
> >
> > From: mmultihull1 mmultihull1@...
> > Subject: [Syncro_T3_Australia] shocks
> > To: Syncro_T3_Australia@yahoogroups.com
> > Received: Monday, 2 February, 2009, 1:08 PM
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > Hi everyone
> > could you please let me know about shocks for my 92 syncro looking
to
> > buy front and back
> > Saw some advertised on Ebay out of Hastings NSW $149 pair for front
> > $298 for back
> > Any feedback would be greatly appreciated
> > Thank you in Advance
> > Robert
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > Make Yahoo!7 your homepage and win a trip to the Quiksilver Pro.
> > Find out more
>

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Yurik,
 
If it is a safe method, it is worth telling all of us, particularly if Andy and Melissa did a change on the road.
 
Les
 
----- Original Message -----
Sent: Saturday, February 07, 2009 10:16 AM
Subject: RE: [Syncro_T3_Australia] shocks

Ken,

There is a completely safe way of removing the front springs without using spring compressors. I have successfully accomplished this and passed on the method to Andy Keith who had to replace his springs during his trip around Oz. If you are interested in the method I can pmail it to you – it is quite straight forward.

Yurik

From: Syncro_T3_Australia @yahoogroups. com [mailto:Syncro_ T3_Australia@ yahoogroups. com] On Behalf Of Ken
Sent: Saturday, 7 February 2009 7:45 AM
To: Syncro_T3_Australia @yahoogroups. com
Subject: Re: [Syncro_T3_Australi a] shocks


Regrettably I don't have a hoist here, just a jack and vehicle stands.
In my next life, when I build my next place I'll construct one of those
under vehicle mechanics pits below floor level. Be handy for us syncro
nuts.

So are you saying just using a jack and jack stands and only
concentrating on one at a time, may still be problematic?

I do have the VAG workshop manuals and Bentley syncro extract, they
certainly help but I reckon in a lot of cases, the authors expect
assumed knowledge when it comes to procedure, technique and problem
solving, let alone special tools, leaving amateurs somewhat befuddled.
Still, all things being realistic, happy to give it a go.

--- In Syncro_T3_Australia @yahoogroups. com, plander@... wrote:
>
> You may need a good spring compressor. Ron, just did one using a hoist
and had a little bit of trouble fitting his spring compressor in the
confined space.
>
>
>
> > Ken Garratt unclekenz@.. . wrote:
> >
> > Gday Robert and ALL,
> > Not cheap but as they say, you get what you pay for .....
> > Â
> > I posted here late last year that Old Man Emu shocks were on sale
for a
> > week (at the time) at ARB 4WD outlet stores, I believe Phill and I
> > rushed in and bought a full set each. It was only 10% off but heh,
> > figured delaying only means they will be dearer next time.
> > Â
> > So now, not being on special, expect to pay around $750 for a full
set
> > of syncro shocks, heh at least they are available in Oz .... that in
> > itself is a bonus.
> > Â
> > Talking about shocks, just curious to know when I get around to
> > installing the front OME shocks, is this a big drama or can an
amateur
> > like me who likes to tinker but accepts I do have my limitations,
would
> > I be able to carry out this procedure?
> > Â
> > Cheers.
> > Â
> > Ken
> >
> > --- On Mon, 2/2/09, mmultihull1 mmultihull1@ ... wrote:
> >
> >
> > From: mmultihull1 mmultihull1@ ...
> > Subject: [Syncro_T3_Australi a] shocks
> > To: Syncro_T3_Australia @yahoogroups. com
> > Received: Monday, 2 February, 2009, 1:08 PM
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > Hi everyone
> > could you please let me know about shocks for my 92 syncro looking
to
> > buy front and back
> > Saw some advertised on Ebay out of Hastings NSW $149 pair for front
> > $298 for back
> > Any feedback would be greatly appreciated
> > Thank you in Advance
> > Robert
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > Make Yahoo!7 your homepage and win a trip to the Quiksilver Pro.
> > Find out more
>

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Gday Yurik,

Thanks for the offer ... yes please, could you pmail me with the
procedure.

I suspect many others may well be intereested Yurik. Methinks you better
patent it first ... lol

Cheers.

Ken


--- In Syncro_T3_Australia@yahoogroups.com, "Yurik Orlowsky"
<yuriko@...> wrote:
>
> Ken,
>
>
>
> There is a completely safe way of removing the front springs without
using
> spring compressors. I have successfully accomplished this and passed
on the
> method to Andy Keith who had to replace his springs during his trip
around
> Oz. If you are interested in the method I can pmail it to you – it
is quite
> straight forward.
>
>
>
> Yurik
>
>
>
> From: Syncro_T3_Australia@yahoogroups.com
> [mailto:Syncro_T3_Australia@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Ken
> Sent: Saturday, 7 February 2009 7:45 AM
> To: Syncro_T3_Australia@yahoogroups.com
> Subject: Re: [Syncro_T3_Australia] shocks
>
>
>
>
> Regrettably I don't have a hoist here, just a jack and vehicle stands.
> In my next life, when I build my next place I'll construct one of
those
> under vehicle mechanics pits below floor level. Be handy for us syncro
> nuts.
>
> So are you saying just using a jack and jack stands and only
> concentrating on one at a time, may still be problematic?
>
> I do have the VAG workshop manuals and Bentley syncro extract, they
> certainly help but I reckon in a lot of cases, the authors expect
> assumed knowledge when it comes to procedure, technique and problem
> solving, let alone special tools, leaving amateurs somewhat befuddled.
> Still, all things being realistic, happy to give it a go.
>
> --- In Syncro_T3_Australia@yahoogroups.com
> <mailto:Syncro_T3_Australia%40yahoogroups.com> , plander@ wrote:
> >
> > You may need a good spring compressor. Ron, just did one using a
hoist
> and had a little bit of trouble fitting his spring compressor in the
> confined space.
> >
> >
> >
> > > Ken Garratt unclekenz@ wrote:
> > >
> > > Gday Robert and ALL,
> > > Not cheap but as they say, you get what you pay for .....
> > > Â
> > > I posted here late last year that Old Man Emu shocks were on sale
> for a
> > > week (at the time) at ARB 4WD outlet stores, I believe Phill and I
> > > rushed in and bought a full set each. It was only 10% off but heh,
> > > figured delaying only means they will be dearer next time.
> > > Â
> > > So now, not being on special, expect to pay around $750 for a full
> set
> > > of syncro shocks, heh at least they are available in Oz .... that
in
> > > itself is a bonus.
> > > Â
> > > Talking about shocks, just curious to know when I get around to
> > > installing the front OME shocks, is this a big drama or can an
> amateur
> > > like me who likes to tinker but accepts I do have my limitations,
> would
> > > I be able to carry out this procedure?
> > > Â
> > > Cheers.
> > > Â
> > > Ken
> > >
> > > --- On Mon, 2/2/09, mmultihull1 mmultihull1@ wrote:
> > >
> > >
> > > From: mmultihull1 mmultihull1@
> > > Subject: [Syncro_T3_Australia] shocks
> > > To: Syncro_T3_Australia@yahoogroups.com
> <mailto:Syncro_T3_Australia%40yahoogroups.com>
> > > Received: Monday, 2 February, 2009, 1:08 PM
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > Hi everyone
> > > could you please let me know about shocks for my 92 syncro looking
> to
> > > buy front and back
> > > Saw some advertised on Ebay out of Hastings NSW $149 pair for
front
> > > $298 for back
> > > Any feedback would be greatly appreciated
> > > Thank you in Advance
> > > Robert
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > Make Yahoo!7 your homepage and win a trip to the Quiksilver Pro.
> > > Find out more
> >
>
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When I Syncronized my '82 Westy, I found that one can avoid the spring
compressors entirely. With the van up on stands, and the wheel off,
simply use a floor jack to raise the lower control arm/hub slightly,
remove the top strut nut, and lower the jack to decompress the spring.
One may have to loosen/remove other items to make this work, such as the
sway bar link or radius rod (it's been nine years since I last did it).
Once the spring is decompressed, the strut can be replaced, jacked back
into position, and the fasteners replaced.

Larry Hamm
'82 SyncroWesty, 2.5L Subaru

Les Harris wrote:
> Yurik,
>
> If it is a safe method, it is worth telling all of us, particularly if
> Andy and Melissa did a change on the road.
14

Hi Ken,

 

Larry Hamm has succinctly described the procedure. I would add that the front end should be supported on stands sufficiently high enough so that a bottle jack (or floor jack) can be placed under the lower control arm at the radius rod end and that there is enough space for the spring to decompress. Next remove the lower nut off the stabilizer link and remove the upper ball joint from the upper control arm. Lift the strut slightly by the bottle jack to remove the tension on the top strut nut. Remove this top nut and lower the bottle jack to decompress the spring. The spring can now be removed by swivelling the strut out and lifting the spring off. Note the strut does not have to be completely removed for the spring removal.

Installing the spring is a reversal of these steps. Before jacking up the control arm to compress the spring make sure the strut is fully extended so that the rod can be guided into the hole in the body. There is an access hole above (under the front seat, which has to be removed!) that can be used to guide the rod with a tube into the hole. Fasten the top strut nut and lower the bottle jack. Fasten all other nuts and the job is done.

A variation to using support stands is to use a high lift jack to lift the front on one side and replace the springs one side at a time.

 

Regards

Yurik

 

From: Syncro_T3_Australia@yahoogroups.com [mailto:Syncro_T3_Australia@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Ken
Sent: Saturday, 7 February 2009 8:50 AM
To: Syncro_T3_Australia@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [Syncro_T3_Australia] Re: shocks

 


Gday Yurik,

Thanks for the offer ... yes please, could you pmail me with the
procedure.

I suspect many others may well be intereested Yurik. Methinks you better
patent it first ... lol

Cheers.

Ken

--- In Syncro_T3_Australia@yahoogroups.com, "Yurik Orlowsky"
<yuriko@...> wrote:

>
> Ken,
>
>
>
> There is a completely safe way of removing the front springs without
using
> spring compressors. I have successfully accomplished this and passed
on the
> method to Andy Keith who had to replace his springs during his trip
around
> Oz. If you are interested in the method I can pmail it to you – it
is quite
> straight forward.
>
>
>
> Yurik
>
>
>
> From: Syncro_T3_Australia@yahoogroups.com
> [mailto:Syncro_T3_Australia@yahoogroups.com]
On Behalf Of Ken
> Sent: Saturday, 7 February 2009 7:45 AM
> To: Syncro_T3_Australia@yahoogroups.com
> Subject: Re: [Syncro_T3_Australia] shocks
>
>
>
>
> Regrettably I don't have a hoist here, just a jack and vehicle stands.
> In my next life, when I build my next place I'll construct one of
those
> under vehicle mechanics pits below floor level. Be handy for us syncro
> nuts.
>
> So are you saying just using a jack and jack stands and only
> concentrating on one at a time, may still be problematic?
>
> I do have the VAG workshop manuals and Bentley syncro extract, they
> certainly help but I reckon in a lot of cases, the authors expect
> assumed knowledge when it comes to procedure, technique and problem
> solving, let alone special tools, leaving amateurs somewhat befuddled.
> Still, all things being realistic, happy to give it a go.
>
> --- In Syncro_T3_Australia@yahoogroups.com
> <mailto:Syncro_T3_Australia%40yahoogroups.com> , plander@ wrote:
> >
> > You may need a good spring compressor. Ron, just did one using a
hoist
> and had a little bit of trouble fitting his spring compressor in the
> confined space.
> >
> >
> >
> > > Ken Garratt unclekenz@ wrote:
> > >
> > > Gday Robert and ALL,
> > > Not cheap but as they say, you get what you pay for .....
> > > Â
> > > I posted here late last year that Old Man Emu shocks were on
sale
> for a
> > > week (at the time) at ARB 4WD outlet stores, I believe Phill and
I
> > > rushed in and bought a full set each. It was only 10% off but
heh,
> > > figured delaying only means they will be dearer next time.
> > > Â
> > > So now, not being on special, expect to pay around $750 for a
full
> set
> > > of syncro shocks, heh at least they are available in Oz ....
that
in
> > > itself is a bonus.
> > > Â
> > > Talking about shocks, just curious to know when I get around to
> > > installing the front OME shocks, is this a big drama or can an
> amateur
> > > like me who likes to tinker but accepts I do have my
limitations,
> would
> > > I be able to carry out this procedure?
> > > Â
> > > Cheers.
> > > Â
> > > Ken
> > >
> > > --- On Mon, 2/2/09, mmultihull1 mmultihull1@ wrote:
> > >
> > >
> > > From: mmultihull1 mmultihull1@
> > > Subject: [Syncro_T3_Australia] shocks
> > > To: Syncro_T3_Australia@yahoogroups.com
> <mailto:Syncro_T3_Australia%40yahoogroups.com>
> > > Received: Monday, 2 February, 2009, 1:08 PM
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > Hi everyone
> > > could you please let me know about shocks for my 92 syncro
looking
> to
> > > buy front and back
> > > Saw some advertised on Ebay out of Hastings NSW $149 pair for
front
> > > $298 for back
> > > Any feedback would be greatly appreciated
> > > Thank you in Advance
> > > Robert
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > Make Yahoo!7 your homepage and win a trip to the Quiksilver Pro.
> > > Find out more
> >
>

15
Gday Yurik and Larry,

Thanks a lot ... valuable details for this front shock and spring
procedure indeed ... so far I've compiled both posts and printed it out
for easier comprehension and reference when I get under the van for a
bopeep.

Please, may I add this compilation to our files section so it doesn't
get lost, for the benefit of present and future syncromechs?

Cheers.

Ken


--- In Syncro_T3_Australia@yahoogroups.com, "Yurik Orlowsky"
<yuriko@...> wrote:
>
> Hi Ken,
>
>
>
> Larry Hamm has succinctly described the procedure. I would add that
the
> front end should be supported on stands sufficiently high enough so
that a
> bottle jack (or floor jack) can be placed under the lower control arm
at the
> radius rod end and that there is enough space for the spring to
decompress.
> Next remove the lower nut off the stabilizer link and remove the upper
ball
> joint from the upper control arm. Lift the strut slightly by the
bottle jack
> to remove the tension on the top strut nut. Remove this top nut and
lower
> the bottle jack to decompress the spring. The spring can now be
removed by
> swivelling the strut out and lifting the spring off. Note the strut
does
> not have to be completely removed for the spring removal.
>
> Installing the spring is a reversal of these steps. Before jacking up
the
> control arm to compress the spring make sure the strut is fully
extended so
> that the rod can be guided into the hole in the body. There is an
access
> hole above (under the front seat, which has to be removed!) that can
be used
> to guide the rod with a tube into the hole. Fasten the top strut nut
and
> lower the bottle jack. Fasten all other nuts and the job is done.
>
> A variation to using support stands is to use a high lift jack to lift
the
> front on one side and replace the springs one side at a time.
>
>
>
> Regards
>
> Yurik
>
>
>
> From: Syncro_T3_Australia@yahoogroups.com
> [mailto:Syncro_T3_Australia@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Ken
> Sent: Saturday, 7 February 2009 8:50 AM
> To: Syncro_T3_Australia@yahoogroups.com
> Subject: [Syncro_T3_Australia] Re: shocks
>
>
>
>
> Gday Yurik,
>
> Thanks for the offer ... yes please, could you pmail me with the
> procedure.
>
> I suspect many others may well be intereested Yurik. Methinks you
better
> patent it first ... lol
>
> Cheers.
>
> Ken
>
> --- In Syncro_T3_Australia@yahoogroups.com
> <mailto:Syncro_T3_Australia%40yahoogroups.com> , "Yurik Orlowsky"
> yuriko@ wrote:
> >
> > Ken,
> >
> >
> >
> > There is a completely safe way of removing the front springs without
> using
> > spring compressors. I have successfully accomplished this and passed
> on the
> > method to Andy Keith who had to replace his springs during his trip
> around
> > Oz. If you are interested in the method I can pmail it to you –
it
> is quite
> > straight forward.
> >
> >
> >
> > Yurik
> >
> >
> >
> > From: Syncro_T3_Australia@yahoogroups.com
> <mailto:Syncro_T3_Australia%40yahoogroups.com>
> > [mailto:Syncro_T3_Australia@yahoogroups.com
> <mailto:Syncro_T3_Australia%40yahoogroups.com> ] On Behalf Of Ken
> > Sent: Saturday, 7 February 2009 7:45 AM
> > To: Syncro_T3_Australia@yahoogroups.com
> <mailto:Syncro_T3_Australia%40yahoogroups.com>
> > Subject: Re: [Syncro_T3_Australia] shocks
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > Regrettably I don't have a hoist here, just a jack and vehicle
stands.
> > In my next life, when I build my next place I'll construct one of
> those
> > under vehicle mechanics pits below floor level. Be handy for us
syncro
> > nuts.
> >
> > So are you saying just using a jack and jack stands and only
> > concentrating on one at a time, may still be problematic?
> >
> > I do have the VAG workshop manuals and Bentley syncro extract, they
> > certainly help but I reckon in a lot of cases, the authors expect
> > assumed knowledge when it comes to procedure, technique and problem
> > solving, let alone special tools, leaving amateurs somewhat
befuddled.
> > Still, all things being realistic, happy to give it a go.
> >
> > --- In Syncro_T3_Australia@yahoogroups.com
> <mailto:Syncro_T3_Australia%40yahoogroups.com>
> > <mailto:Syncro_T3_Australia%40yahoogroups.com> , plander@ wrote:
> > >
> > > You may need a good spring compressor. Ron, just did one using a
> hoist
> > and had a little bit of trouble fitting his spring compressor in the
> > confined space.
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > > Ken Garratt unclekenz@ wrote:
> > > >
> > > > Gday Robert and ALL,
> > > > Not cheap but as they say, you get what you pay for .....
> > > > Â
> > > > I posted here late last year that Old Man Emu shocks were on
sale
> > for a
> > > > week (at the time) at ARB 4WD outlet stores, I believe Phill and
I
> > > > rushed in and bought a full set each. It was only 10% off but
heh,
> > > > figured delaying only means they will be dearer next time.
> > > > Â
> > > > So now, not being on special, expect to pay around $750 for a
full
> > set
> > > > of syncro shocks, heh at least they are available in Oz ....
that
> in
> > > > itself is a bonus.
> > > > Â
> > > > Talking about shocks, just curious to know when I get around to
> > > > installing the front OME shocks, is this a big drama or can an
> > amateur
> > > > like me who likes to tinker but accepts I do have my
limitations,
> > would
> > > > I be able to carry out this procedure?
> > > > Â
> > > > Cheers.
> > > > Â
> > > > Ken
> > > >
> > > > --- On Mon, 2/2/09, mmultihull1 mmultihull1@ wrote:
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > From: mmultihull1 mmultihull1@
> > > > Subject: [Syncro_T3_Australia] shocks
> > > > To: Syncro_T3_Australia@yahoogroups.com
> <mailto:Syncro_T3_Australia%40yahoogroups.com>
> > <mailto:Syncro_T3_Australia%40yahoogroups.com>
> > > > Received: Monday, 2 February, 2009, 1:08 PM
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > Hi everyone
> > > > could you please let me know about shocks for my 92 syncro
looking
> > to
> > > > buy front and back
> > > > Saw some advertised on Ebay out of Hastings NSW $149 pair for
> front
> > > > $298 for back
> > > > Any feedback would be greatly appreciated
> > > > Thank you in Advance
> > > > Robert
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > Make Yahoo!7 your homepage and win a trip to the Quiksilver Pro.
> > > > Find out more
> > >
> >
>
16

Hi Ken,

 

Go ahead with filing, there are no problems from my point of view - the compilation could be useful to others.

 

Regards

Yurik

 

From: Syncro_T3_Australia@yahoogroups.com [mailto:Syncro_T3_Australia@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Ken
Sent: Sunday, 8 February 2009 11:27 AM
To: Syncro_T3_Australia@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [Syncro_T3_Australia] Re: shocks

 


Gday Yurik and Larry,

Thanks a lot ... valuable details for this front shock and spring
procedure indeed ... so far I've compiled both posts and printed it out
for easier comprehension and reference when I get under the van for a
bopeep.

Please, may I add this compilation to our files section so it doesn't
get lost, for the benefit of present and future syncromechs?

Cheers.

Ken

--- In Syncro_T3_Australia@yahoogroups.com, "Yurik Orlowsky"
<yuriko@...> wrote:

>
> Hi Ken,
>
>
>
> Larry Hamm has succinctly described the procedure. I would add that
the
> front end should be supported on stands sufficiently high enough so
that a
> bottle jack (or floor jack) can be placed under the lower control arm
at the
> radius rod end and that there is enough space for the spring to
decompress.
> Next remove the lower nut off the stabilizer link and remove the upper
ball
> joint from the upper control arm. Lift the strut slightly by the
bottle jack
> to remove the tension on the top strut nut. Remove this top nut and
lower
> the bottle jack to decompress the spring. The spring can now be
removed by
> swivelling the strut out and lifting the spring off. Note the strut
does
> not have to be completely removed for the spring removal.
>
> Installing the spring is a reversal of these steps. Before jacking up
the
> control arm to compress the spring make sure the strut is fully
extended so
> that the rod can be guided into the hole in the body. There is an
access
> hole above (under the front seat, which has to be removed!) that can
be used
> to guide the rod with a tube into the hole. Fasten the top strut nut
and
> lower the bottle jack. Fasten all other nuts and the job is done.
>
> A variation to using support stands is to use a high lift jack to lift
the
> front on one side and replace the springs one side at a time.
>
>
>
> Regards
>
> Yurik
>
>
>
> From: Syncro_T3_Australia@yahoogroups.com
> [mailto:Syncro_T3_Australia@yahoogroups.com]
On Behalf Of Ken
> Sent: Saturday, 7 February 2009 8:50 AM
> To: Syncro_T3_Australia@yahoogroups.com
> Subject: [Syncro_T3_Australia] Re: shocks
>
>
>
>
> Gday Yurik,
>
> Thanks for the offer ... yes please, could you pmail me with the
> procedure.
>
> I suspect many others may well be intereested Yurik. Methinks you
better
> patent it first ... lol
>
> Cheers.
>
> Ken
>
> --- In Syncro_T3_Australia@yahoogroups.com
> <mailto:Syncro_T3_Australia%40yahoogroups.com> , "Yurik
Orlowsky"
> yuriko@ wrote:
> >
> > Ken,
> >
> >
> >
> > There is a completely safe way of removing the front springs without
> using
> > spring compressors. I have successfully accomplished this and passed
> on the
> > method to Andy Keith who had to replace his springs during his trip
> around
> > Oz. If you are interested in the method I can pmail it to you –
it
> is quite
> > straight forward.
> >
> >
> >
> > Yurik
> >
> >
> >
> > From: Syncro_T3_Australia@yahoogroups.com
> <mailto:Syncro_T3_Australia%40yahoogroups.com>
> > [mailto:Syncro_T3_Australia@yahoogroups.com
> <mailto:Syncro_T3_Australia%40yahoogroups.com> ] On Behalf Of Ken
> > Sent: Saturday, 7 February 2009 7:45 AM
> > To: Syncro_T3_Australia@yahoogroups.com
> <mailto:Syncro_T3_Australia%40yahoogroups.com>
> > Subject: Re: [Syncro_T3_Australia] shocks
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > Regrettably I don't have a hoist here, just a jack and vehicle
stands.
> > In my next life, when I build my next place I'll construct one of
> those
> > under vehicle mechanics pits below floor level. Be handy for us
syncro
> > nuts.
> >
> > So are you saying just using a jack and jack stands and only
> > concentrating on one at a time, may still be problematic?
> >
> > I do have the VAG workshop manuals and Bentley syncro extract, they
> > certainly help but I reckon in a lot of cases, the authors expect
> > assumed knowledge when it comes to procedure, technique and problem
> > solving, let alone special tools, leaving amateurs somewhat
befuddled.
> > Still, all things being realistic, happy to give it a go.
> >
> > --- In Syncro_T3_Australia@yahoogroups.com
> <mailto:Syncro_T3_Australia%40yahoogroups.com>
> > <mailto:Syncro_T3_Australia%40yahoogroups.com> , plander@
wrote:
> > >
> > > You may need a good spring compressor. Ron, just did one using a
> hoist
> > and had a little bit of trouble fitting his spring compressor in the
> > confined space.
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > > Ken Garratt unclekenz@ wrote:
> > > >
> > > > Gday Robert and ALL,
> > > > Not cheap but as they say, you get what you pay for .....
> > > > Â
> > > > I posted here late last year that Old Man Emu shocks were
on
sale
> > for a
> > > > week (at the time) at ARB 4WD outlet stores, I believe
Phill and
I
> > > > rushed in and bought a full set each. It was only 10% off
but
heh,
> > > > figured delaying only means they will be dearer next time.
> > > > Â
> > > > So now, not being on special, expect to pay around $750 for
a
full
> > set
> > > > of syncro shocks, heh at least they are available in Oz
....
that
> in
> > > > itself is a bonus.
> > > > Â
> > > > Talking about shocks, just curious to know when I get
around to
> > > > installing the front OME shocks, is this a big drama or can
an
> > amateur
> > > > like me who likes to tinker but accepts I do have my
limitations,
> > would
> > > > I be able to carry out this procedure?
> > > > Â
> > > > Cheers.
> > > > Â
> > > > Ken
> > > >
> > > > --- On Mon, 2/2/09, mmultihull1 mmultihull1@ wrote:
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > From: mmultihull1 mmultihull1@
> > > > Subject: [Syncro_T3_Australia] shocks
> > > > To: Syncro_T3_Australia@yahoogroups.com
> <mailto:Syncro_T3_Australia%40yahoogroups.com>
> > <mailto:Syncro_T3_Australia%40yahoogroups.com>
> > > > Received: Monday, 2 February, 2009, 1:08 PM
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > Hi everyone
> > > > could you please let me know about shocks for my 92 syncro
looking
> > to
> > > > buy front and back
> > > > Saw some advertised on Ebay out of Hastings NSW $149 pair
for
> front
> > > > $298 for back
> > > > Any feedback would be greatly appreciated
> > > > Thank you in Advance
> > > > Robert
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > Make Yahoo!7 your homepage and win a trip to the Quiksilver
Pro.
> > > > Find out more
> > >
> >
>

17
Ken,

Please do! And thanks to Yurik for a more complete description of the
process.

Larry

Ken wrote:
> Gday Yurik and Larry,
>
> Thanks a lot ... valuable details for this front shock and spring
> procedure indeed ... so far I've compiled both posts and printed it out
> for easier comprehension and reference when I get under the van for a
> bopeep.
>
> Please, may I add this compilation to our files section so it doesn't
> get lost, for the benefit of present and future syncromechs?
18
Hi Gang

I agree with Yurik's thoughts.
The only reason I had to do my own is that I coundln't find a
suspension shop in Darwin willing to do it at the time of changing
the front struts. I tried about six shops and even ARB the supplier
wouldn't do it.

Again just make sure the vehicle is supported high enough and well
enough off the ground before you begin the process as finding out
half way through will be a problem in itself. You must have enough
room for the jack you are using to decompress the spring to fit under
the arm aswell as the distance of spring decompression.

Beware also that alot of after market hight lift springs or stiffer
springs gain this advantage by lengthening and increasing the number
of coil winds in the spring so they will take up alot more room when
decompressing. You will have to lower the lower arm/stut alot further
before full decompression and the abillity to remove them.
If you have high lift springs installed instead of standard springs
this process may become a little trickier.

Common sense and patience and this method will not be difficult.

Good luck
Andy






-- In Syncro_T3_Australia@yahoogroups.com, "Yurik Orlowsky"
<yuriko@...> wrote:
>
> Hi Ken,
>
>
>
> Larry Hamm has succinctly described the procedure. I would add
that the
> front end should be supported on stands sufficiently high enough so
that a
> bottle jack (or floor jack) can be placed under the lower control
arm at the
> radius rod end and that there is enough space for the spring to
decompress.
> Next remove the lower nut off the stabilizer link and remove the
upper ball
> joint from the upper control arm. Lift the strut slightly by the
bottle jack
> to remove the tension on the top strut nut. Remove this top nut
and lower
> the bottle jack to decompress the spring. The spring can now be
removed by
> swivelling the strut out and lifting the spring off. Note the
strut does
> not have to be completely removed for the spring removal.
>
> Installing the spring is a reversal of these steps. Before jacking
up the
> control arm to compress the spring make sure the strut is fully
extended so
> that the rod can be guided into the hole in the body. There is an
access
> hole above (under the front seat, which has to be removed!) that
can be used
> to guide the rod with a tube into the hole. Fasten the top strut
nut and
> lower the bottle jack. Fasten all other nuts and the job is done.
>
> A variation to using support stands is to use a high lift jack to
lift the
> front on one side and replace the springs one side at a time.
>
>
>
> Regards
>
> Yurik
>
>
>
19
Gday Andy,

Thanks for your input on this.

Seems to me then from what you are saying, the crucial unknown to start
this procedure is knowing the extended height measurement needed of the
floor stands to accommodate both the jack under the lower control arm
plus enough room to decompress (lower) the spring.

Does anyone know that measurement so I can add it to the R&R article I
am compiling for this forums files?

For standard height springs and shocks, are you perhaps suggesting the
typical extended height floor stands available in Repco or SuperCheap
Auto etc. would not be tall enough to achieve the necessary height? I
have a typical pair of floor stands and they max out at 450mm. In your
case, did you instead have to resort to high lift jacks or something
else? Thanks Andy.

Cheers.

Ken


--- In Syncro_T3_Australia@yahoogroups.com, "Andy" <ossyncro@...> wrote:
>
> Hi Gang
>
> I agree with Yurik's thoughts.
> The only reason I had to do my own is that I coundln't find a
> suspension shop in Darwin willing to do it at the time of changing
> the front struts. I tried about six shops and even ARB the supplier
> wouldn't do it.
>
> Again just make sure the vehicle is supported high enough and well
> enough off the ground before you begin the process as finding out
> half way through will be a problem in itself. You must have enough
> room for the jack you are using to decompress the spring to fit under
> the arm aswell as the distance of spring decompression.
>
> Beware also that alot of after market hight lift springs or stiffer
> springs gain this advantage by lengthening and increasing the number
> of coil winds in the spring so they will take up alot more room when
> decompressing. You will have to lower the lower arm/stut alot further
> before full decompression and the abillity to remove them.
> If you have high lift springs installed instead of standard springs
> this process may become a little trickier.
>
> Common sense and patience and this method will not be difficult.
>
> Good luck
> Andy
>
>
>
>
>
>
> -- In Syncro_T3_Australia@yahoogroups.com, "Yurik Orlowsky"
> yuriko@ wrote:
> >
> > Hi Ken,
> >
> >
> >
> > Larry Hamm has succinctly described the procedure. I would add
> that the
> > front end should be supported on stands sufficiently high enough so
> that a
> > bottle jack (or floor jack) can be placed under the lower control
> arm at the
> > radius rod end and that there is enough space for the spring to
> decompress.
> > Next remove the lower nut off the stabilizer link and remove the
> upper ball
> > joint from the upper control arm. Lift the strut slightly by the
> bottle jack
> > to remove the tension on the top strut nut. Remove this top nut
> and lower
> > the bottle jack to decompress the spring. The spring can now be
> removed by
> > swivelling the strut out and lifting the spring off. Note the
> strut does
> > not have to be completely removed for the spring removal.
> >
> > Installing the spring is a reversal of these steps. Before jacking
> up the
> > control arm to compress the spring make sure the strut is fully
> extended so
> > that the rod can be guided into the hole in the body. There is an
> access
> > hole above (under the front seat, which has to be removed!) that
> can be used
> > to guide the rod with a tube into the hole. Fasten the top strut
> nut and
> > lower the bottle jack. Fasten all other nuts and the job is done.
> >
> > A variation to using support stands is to use a high lift jack to
> lift the
> > front on one side and replace the springs one side at a time.
> >
> >
> >
> > Regards
> >
> > Yurik
> >
> >
> >
>
20
G'day All
Do we know if any Victorian Syncro people have been
caught up in these absolutely horrific fires they are having?

Our thoughts go out to all down there

Bruce