Smoke Alarms Now Law in NSW

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Smoke alarms will now be required in campervans etc.

Smoke Alarms for moveable dwellings 

That'll look nice hanging from the roof!:(

Phill
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They don't call this the Nanna  State for nothing!
 
That would take some policing.
 
We camp with a tent next to our syncro and we could just say we slept in the tent next to the syncro - how can they argue?
 
Stupid law.
 
 
----- Original Message -----
From: hdvwoc
Sent: Friday, March 04, 2011 9:16 PM
Subject: [Syncro_T3_Australia] Smoke Alarms Now Law in NSW

 

Smoke alarms will now be required in campervans etc.

Smoke Alarms for moveable dwellings 

That'll look nice hanging from the roof!:(

Phill

3
Not to mention it is a potential missile during an accident.


BenT

sent from my electronic leash

On Mar 4, 2011, at 2:16 AM, "hdvwoc" <plander@optusnet.com.au> wrote:

Smoke alarms will now be required in campervans etc.

Smoke Alarms for moveable dwellings 

That'll look nice hanging from the roof!:(

Phill
4
I remember it wasn't so long ago we were being told federally  "to be alert NOT alarmed." Perhaps I should sleep under a fire blanket.
 
Roger

--- On Fri, 4/3/11, hdvwoc <plander@optusnet.com.au> wrote:

From: hdvwoc <plander@optusnet.com.au>
Subject: [Syncro_T3_Australia] Smoke Alarms Now Law in NSW
To: Syncro_T3_Australia@yahoogroups.com
Received: Friday, 4 March, 2011, 6:16 PM

 
Smoke alarms will now be required in campervans etc.

Smoke Alarms for moveable dwellings 

That'll look nice hanging from the roof!:(

Phill

 
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Part quote loophole:

"A moveable dwelling is not required to be provided if no one sleeps in the moveable dwelling."

So for a successful prosecution, a super sleuth midnight shift regulator has first to get out there, ferret out my bush campsite in the pitch black dead of night AND as I'm a lousy sleeper, find me actually asleep. That's incredulous! 

I wish this army of say thousands of paid regulators good luck, they'll surely need it.

Ken



To: Syncro_T3_Australia@yahoogroups.com
From: plander@optusnet.com.au
Date: Fri, 4 Mar 2011 10:16:35 +0000
Subject: [Syncro_T3_Australia] Smoke Alarms Now Law in NSW

 
Smoke alarms will now be required in campervans etc.

Smoke Alarms for moveable dwellings 

That'll look nice hanging from the roof!:(

Phill

6
Another poorly thought out law.

Has anyone here got one in their camper?
What happens when cooking in such a confined space?
What happens in the M5 tunnel?

> Ken Garratt <unclekenz@hotmail.com> wrote:

> So for a successful prosecution, a regulator has first to get out there and
find me actually asleep.
> Ken
>

They cannot check without a search warrant.

Phill
7
Don't some of these devices contain uranium ? I'll have my pop up tent handy and when they catch me, will tell them wasn't sleeping, just resting........Hart
 
To: Syncro_T3_Australia@yahoogroups.com
From: plander@optusnet.com.au
Date: Sat, 5 Mar 2011 08:13:58 +1100
Subject: Re: RE: [Syncro_T3_Australia] Smoke Alarms Now Law in NSW

 
Another poorly thought out law.

Has anyone here got one in their camper?
What happens when cooking in such a confined space?
What happens in the M5 tunnel?

> Ken Garratt <unclekenz@hotmail.com> wrote:

> So for a successful prosecution, a regulator has first to get out there and
find me actually asleep.
> Ken
>

They cannot check without a search warrant.

Phill

8
re: "What happens when cooking in such a confined space?" 

Too easy. Install a dead battery.

Or either wear ear plugs permanently or without them, gradually get tinnitus/go deaf.

Also suggest a regular heart check for each occupant. 

Ken

To: Syncro_T3_Australia@yahoogroups.com
From: plander@optusnet.com.au
Date: Sat, 5 Mar 2011 08:13:58 +1100
Subject: Re: RE: [Syncro_T3_Australia] Smoke Alarms Now Law in NSW

 
Another poorly thought out law.

Has anyone here got one in their camper?
What happens when cooking in such a confined space?
What happens in the M5 tunnel?

> Ken Garratt <unclekenz@hotmail.com> wrote:

> So for a successful prosecution, a regulator has first to get out there and
find me actually asleep.
> Ken
>

They cannot check without a search warrant.

Phill

9
I'll be fitting one to my park bench and when the police arrest me for vagrancy will check there is one in the back of the divi van before I have a kip.
Seriously thanks for the alert Phil.Knowing one's rights (search warrant or permission to enter needed) is a good counter to officials who fail to use common sense.I wonder if anyone has actually perished in this way and whether a smoke alarm would have made any difference. I'm still wondering if  I need to struggle with an evacuation plan and whether I leave early or stay and fight if the Victorian regulations apply to campervans.Suppose we will also have to rig up a ballcock alarm if we go camping in a flood prone area of Queensland.
Roger

--- On Sat, 5/3/11, Hartmut Kiehn <hartis@live.com.au> wrote:

From: Hartmut Kiehn <hartis@live.com.au>
Subject: RE: [Syncro_T3_Australia] Smoke Alarms Now Law in NSW
To: "Hartmut Kiehn" <syncro_t3_australia@yahoogroups.com>
Received: Saturday, 5 March, 2011, 6:16 AM

 
Don't some of these devices contain uranium ? I'll have my pop up tent handy and when they catch me, will tell them wasn't sleeping, just resting........Hart
 
To: Syncro_T3_Australia@yahoogroups.com
From: plander@optusnet.com.au
Date: Sat, 5 Mar 2011 08:13:58 +1100
Subject: Re: RE: [Syncro_T3_Australia] Smoke Alarms Now Law in NSW

 
Another poorly thought out law.

Has anyone here got one in their camper?
What happens when cooking in such a confined space?
What happens in the M5 tunnel?

> Ken Garratt <unclekenz@hotmail.com> wrote:

> So for a successful prosecution, a regulator has first to get out there and
find me actually asleep.
> Ken
>

They cannot check without a search warrant.

Phill


 
10

There is a serious side to this but not related to the average Syncro camper.  

I am involved in the certification of motor homes and some of them are a real fright in terms of fire safety.   The fitting of a smoke alarm would be of little use in many of them because there are no planned escape routes inside the vehicles.  

This matter has been discussed recently on the Rvtravelau website   

Les

 

From: Syncro_T3_Australia@yahoogroups.com [mailto:Syncro_T3_Australia@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Roger Bell
Sent: 05 March 2011 10:10
To: Syncro_T3_Australia@yahoogroups.com
Subject: RE: [Syncro_T3_Australia] Smoke Alarms Now Law in NSW

 

 

I'll be fitting one to my park bench and when the police arrest me for vagrancy will check there is one in the back of the divi van before I have a kip.

Seriously thanks for the alert Phil.Knowing one's rights (search warrant or permission to enter needed) is a good counter to officials who fail to use common sense.I wonder if anyone has actually perished in this way and whether a smoke alarm would have made any difference. I'm still wondering if  I need to struggle with an evacuation plan and whether I leave early or stay and fight if the Victorian regulations apply to campervans.Suppose we will also have to rig up a ballcock alarm if we go camping in a flood prone area of Queensland .

Roger


 

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Hartmut,

Given Port now is recognised as THE Syncro mecca on this planet, aided and abetted by you due in no small measure to the latest drawcard for overnighting syncro tourists ... the Pro Hart style 3.6 x 9.3 m canvas, I now fear for you that the Port smoke alarm regulator will be inclined to make Fernbank Creek his first "Port of call" each night to check for abberent movable dwellings!

So it's a worry your present small footprint companion won't be up to the task of even waking up, let alone all the rest of you in time!

Ken

 

To: syncro_t3_australia@yahoogroups.com
From: hartis@live.com.au
Date: Sat, 5 Mar 2011 09:16:28 +1100
Subject: RE: [Syncro_T3_Australia] Smoke Alarms Now Law in NSW

 
Don't some of these devices contain uranium ? I'll have my pop up tent handy and when they catch me, will tell them wasn't sleeping, just resting........Hart
 

To: Syncro_T3_Australia@yahoogroups.com
From: plander@optusnet.com.au
Date: Sat, 5 Mar 2011 08:13:58 +1100
Subject: Re: RE: [Syncro_T3_Australia] Smoke Alarms Now Law in NSW

 
Another poorly thought out law.

Has anyone here got one in their camper?
What happens when cooking in such a confined space?
What happens in the M5 tunnel?

> Ken Garratt <unclekenz@hotmail.com> wrote:

> So for a successful prosecution, a regulator has first to get out there and
find me actually asleep.
> Ken
>

They cannot check without a search warrant.

Phill


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Hart,
 
There is also the problem of sleeping under a syncro in the spare tyre well.
 
Maybe you should fit a smoke alarm up in there as well - in case someone sets fire to your syncro while your snoring under it??
 
Skot
 
----- Original Message -----
Sent: Saturday, March 05, 2011 10:45 AM
Subject: RE: [Syncro_T3_Australia] Smoke Alarms Now Law in NSW

 

Hartmut,


Given Port now is recognised as THE Syncro mecca on this planet, aided and abetted by you due in no small measure to the latest drawcard for overnighting syncro tourists ... the Pro Hart style 3.6 x 9.3 m canvas, I now fear for you that the Port smoke alarm regulator will be inclined to make Fernbank Creek his first "Port of call" each night to check for abberent movable dwellings!

So it's a worry your present small footprint companion won't be up to the task of even waking up, let alone all the rest of you in time!

Ken

 

To: syncro_t3_australia@yahoogroups.com
From: hartis@live.com.au
Date: Sat, 5 Mar 2011 09:16:28 +1100
Subject: RE: [Syncro_T3_Australia] Smoke Alarms Now Law in NSW

 
Don't some of these devices contain uranium ? I'll have my pop up tent handy and when they catch me, will tell them wasn't sleeping, just resting........Hart
 

To: Syncro_T3_Australia@yahoogroups.com
From: plander@optusnet.com.au
Date: Sat, 5 Mar 2011 08:13:58 +1100
Subject: Re: RE: [Syncro_T3_Australia] Smoke Alarms Now Law in NSW

 
Another poorly thought out law.

Has anyone here got one in their camper?
What happens when cooking in such a confined space?
What happens in the M5 tunnel?

> Ken Garratt <unclekenz@hotmail.com> wrote:

> So for a successful prosecution, a regulator has first to get out there and
find me actually asleep.
> Ken
>

They cannot check without a search warrant.

Phill


13

I’m a bit late into the smoke alarm debate (been away) but for who-ever asked, I have one in the Trakkadu. I seem to remember Dave at Trakka saying they were compulsory back in 2007 when I got it, but perhaps it only applied to new ‘motorhomes’  at that stage.  It has caused me no dramas, except when I try to cook toast (with one of those flywire/metal frame things on the gas ring), and at about $10, and a new 9v battery every year, why not have one. Mine is firmly affixed to the top trim panel just below the pop-top, so no danger of flying objects in a crash, or vigorous off-roading. I seem to remember they are available with 2 types of sensors, only one of which contains radioactive material, but I think even this has about as much radio-activity as the old luminous clock/watch faces.

 

Brian Reed

 

From: Syncro_T3_Australia@yahoogroups.com [mailto:Syncro_T3_Australia@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Les Harris
Sent: Saturday, 5 March 2011 10:19 AM
To: Syncro_T3_Australia@yahoogroups.com
Subject: RE: [Syncro_T3_Australia] Smoke Alarms Now Law in NSW

 

 

There is a serious side to this but not related to the average Syncro camper.  

I am involved in the certification of motor homes and some of them are a real fright in terms of fire safety.   The fitting of a smoke alarm would be of little use in many of them because there are no planned escape routes inside the vehicles.  

This matter has been discussed recently on the Rvtravelau website   

Les

 

From: Syncro_T3_Australia@yahoogroups.com [mailto:Syncro_T3_Australia@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Roger Bell
Sent: 05 March 2011 10:10
To: Syncro_T3_Australia@yahoogroups.com
Subject: RE: [Syncro_T3_Australia] Smoke Alarms Now Law in NSW

 

 

I'll be fitting one to my park bench and when the police arrest me for vagrancy will check there is one in the back of the divi van before I have a kip.

Seriously thanks for the alert Phil.Knowing one's rights (search warrant or permission to enter needed) is a good counter to officials who fail to use common sense.I wonder if anyone has actually perished in this way and whether a smoke alarm would have made any difference. I'm still wondering if  I need to struggle with an evacuation plan and whether I leave early or stay and fight if the Victorian regulations apply to campervans.Suppose we will also have to rig up a ballcock alarm if we go camping in a flood prone area of Queensland.

Roger




 

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