Spare Wheel Well

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Hi all,
 
I am trying to make use of my now useless spare wheel well and apart from some recovery gear and possibly some well packaged spares and thought why not a couple of 10L plastic jerry cans?
 
The spare wheel well is exposed to a fair amount of heat with the radiator fan above it but it is well ventilated. The plastic tanks seem to expand and contract well and it appears to be made from the same plastic our main fuel tanks are made of.
 
The standard syncro vehicle tank has heat shielding from the engine/ gearbox heat, however, my syncro has been converted at least 15 years ago to a suby power plant and the heat shielding was removed from the tank at the same time. This was never returned.
 
In previous 4wd expeditions - particularly in soft sand my 3rd stage fan has gone off due to hot running in very boggy sand and there has been no issue with the fuel tank.
 
Thus I assume if the lids are done up tight there should be no problem.
 
Anyone have any thoughts words of wisdom otherwise?
 
Cheers,
 
Scott
 
 
2

Not such a good idea Scott, there are a few issues mainly safety related. I can only suggest to do a proper risk assessment before placing those bombs under your feet. I would see an aircraft builder for instance and have a tank built, aircraft aluminium because it would withstand the worst of abuse without leaking prematurely. Just my thoughts, in case you are coming up here we could go to Taree

For a quote. You could install an elec. Pump to transfer the fuel into the main tank.    With my best wishes for a lovely (quiet haha) Christmas      hartmut

 

From: Syncro_T3_Australia@yahoogroups.com [mailto:Syncro_T3_Australia@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Mr Scott Pitcher
Sent: Wednesday, 23 December 2009 6:26 PM
To: Syncro_T3_Australia@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [Syncro_T3_Australia] Spare Wheel Well

 

 

Hi all,

 

I am trying to make use of my now useless spare wheel well and apart from some recovery gear and possibly some well packaged spares and thought why not a couple of 10L plastic jerry cans?

 

The spare wheel well is exposed to a fair amount of heat with the radiator fan above it but it is well ventilated. The plastic tanks seem to expand and contract well and it appears to be made from the same plastic our main fuel tanks are made of.

 

The standard syncro vehicle tank has heat shielding from the engine/ gearbox heat, however, my syncro has been converted at least 15 years ago to a suby power plant and the heat shielding was removed from the tank at the same time. This was never returned.

 

In previous 4wd expeditions - particularly in soft sand my 3rd stage fan has gone off due to hot running in very boggy sand and there has been no issue with the fuel tank.

 

Thus I assume if the lids are done up tight there should be no problem.

 

Anyone have any thoughts words of wisdom otherwise?

 

Cheers,

 

Scott

 

 

3
Thanks Hart.
 
I just get sick of seeing that fantastic empty space which has great ventilation.
 
Good idea for a custom tank although the dollars are a bit tight at this stage plus I have a custom stainless tank already made for under the central section of the syncro - just need to build up the courage to cut the hole in the side for the standard 2wd filler.
 
Hopefully I will catch you up the coast.
 
Cheers,
 
Scott
 
 
--- Original Message -----
Sent: Wednesday, December 23, 2009 7:07 PM
Subject: RE: [Syncro_T3_Australia] Spare Wheel Well

 

Not such a good idea Scott, there are a few issues mainly safety related. I can only suggest to do a proper risk assessment before placing those bombs under your feet. I would see an aircraft builder for instance and have a tank built, aircraft aluminium because it would withstand the worst of abuse without leaking prematurely. Just my thoughts, in case you are coming up here we could go to Taree

For a quote. You could install an elec. Pump to transfer the fuel into the main tank.    With my best wishes for a lovely (quiet haha) Christmas      hartmut

From: Syncro_T3_Australia @yahoogroups. com [mailto:Syncro_ T3_Australia@ yahoogroups. com] On Behalf Of Mr Scott Pitcher
Sent: Wednesday, 23 December 2009 6:26 PM
To: Syncro_T3_Australia @yahoogroups. com
Subject: [Syncro_T3_Australi a] Spare Wheel Well

 

Hi all,

I am trying to make use of my now useless spare wheel well and apart from some recovery gear and possibly some well packaged spares and thought why not a couple of 10L plastic jerry cans?

The spare wheel well is exposed to a fair amount of heat with the radiator fan above it but it is well ventilated. The plastic tanks seem to expand and contract well and it appears to be made from the same plastic our main fuel tanks are made of.

The standard syncro vehicle tank has heat shielding from the engine/ gearbox heat, however, my syncro has been converted at least 15 years ago to a suby power plant and the heat shielding was removed from the tank at the same time. This was never returned.

In previous 4wd expeditions - particularly in soft sand my 3rd stage fan has gone off due to hot running in very boggy sand and there has been no issue with the fuel tank.

Thus I assume if the lids are done up tight there should be no problem.

Anyone have any thoughts words of wisdom otherwise?

Cheers,

Scott

4
Scott, Hartmut,
 
I think a solicitor, when proffering opinions, stamps "without prejudice" across the document so as to prevent use of such documents being used against himself in a court of law. This is probably something similar, hence "without prejudice"!

I've ruminated whether there is any tangible difference between placing a 20 litre steel jerry can of petrol in the spare wheel bay (hidden, shade protected, better for/aft weight balance, albeit radiant radiator heat) compared with a rear mounted jerry can of petrol (not hidden, vandal accessible, not so good for/aft weight balance, fully exposed to summer heat, rear impact risk).
 
So I'm still not convinced there is much difference between the two alternatives in terms of safety. I concede I'm not a fan of plastic jerry cans though, opt for a steel jerry can any day, ensure the internal air/expansion space is present and the clamp is pinned closed as well. I bought 2 ex swiss army steel jerry cans in very good nic ... happy with those.
Cheers. Not sure if this "without prejudice" opinion helps you Scott.
Ken   
To: Syncro_T3_Australia@yahoogroups.com
From: hartis@live.com.au
Date: Wed, 23 Dec 2009 19:07:32 +1100
Subject: RE: [Syncro_T3_Australia] Spare Wheel Well

 

Not such a good idea Scott, there are a few issues mainly safety related. I can only suggest to do a proper risk assessment before placing those bombs under your feet. I would see an aircraft builder for instance and have a tank built, aircraft aluminium because it would withstand the worst of abuse without leaking prematurely. Just my thoughts, in case you are coming up here we could go to Taree

For a quote. You could install an elec. Pump to transfer the fuel into the main tank.    With my best wishes for a lovely (quiet haha) Christmas      hartmut

 

From: Syncro_T3_Australia @yahoogroups. com [mailto:Syncro_ T3_Australia@ yahoogroups. com] On Behalf Of Mr Scott Pitcher
Sent: Wednesday, 23 December 2009 6:26 PM
To: Syncro_T3_Australia @yahoogroups. com
Subject: [Syncro_T3_Australi a] Spare Wheel Well

 

 

Hi all,

 

I am trying to make use of my now useless spare wheel well and apart from some recovery gear and possibly some well packaged spares and thought why not a couple of 10L plastic jerry cans?

 

The spare wheel well is exposed to a fair amount of heat with the radiator fan above it but it is well ventilated. The plastic tanks seem to expand and contract well and it appears to be made from the same plastic our main fuel tanks are made of.

 

The standard syncro vehicle tank has heat shielding from the engine/ gearbox heat, however, my syncro has been converted at least 15 years ago to a suby power plant and the heat shielding was removed from the tank at the same time. This was never returned.

 

In previous 4wd expeditions - particularly in soft sand my 3rd stage fan has gone off due to hot running in very boggy sand and there has been no issue with the fuel tank.

 

Thus I assume if the lids are done up tight there should be no problem.

 

Anyone have any thoughts words of wisdom otherwise?

 

Cheers,

 

Scott

 

 



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You can handle the emotional side of things--- I cut the hole.  hartmut

 

From: Syncro_T3_Australia@yahoogroups.com [mailto:Syncro_T3_Australia@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Mr Scott Pitcher
Sent: Wednesday, 23 December 2009 8:00 PM
To: Syncro_T3_Australia@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [Syncro_T3_Australia] Spare Wheel Well

 

 

Thanks Hart.

 

I just get sick of seeing that fantastic empty space which has great ventilation.

 

Good idea for a custom tank although the dollars are a bit tight at this stage plus I have a custom stainless tank already made for under the central section of the syncro - just need to build up the courage to cut the hole in the side for the standard 2wd filler.

 

Hopefully I will catch you up the coast.

 

Cheers,

 

Scott

 

 

--- Original Message -----

Sent: Wednesday, December 23, 2009 7:07 PM

Subject: RE: [Syncro_T3_Australia] Spare Wheel Well

 

 

Not such a good idea Scott, there are a few issues mainly safety related. I can only suggest to do a proper risk assessment before placing those bombs under your feet. I would see an aircraft builder for instance and have a tank built, aircraft aluminium because it would withstand the worst of abuse without leaking prematurely. Just my thoughts, in case you are coming up here we could go to Taree

For a quote. You could install an elec. Pump to transfer the fuel into the main tank.    With my best wishes for a lovely (quiet haha) Christmas      hartmut

From: Syncro_T3_Australia@yahoogroups.com [mailto:Syncro_T3_Australia@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Mr Scott Pitcher
Sent: Wednesday, 23 December 2009 6:26 PM
To: Syncro_T3_Australia@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [Syncro_T3_Australia] Spare Wheel Well

 

Hi all,

I am trying to make use of my now useless spare wheel well and apart from some recovery gear and possibly some well packaged spares and thought why not a couple of 10L plastic jerry cans?

The spare wheel well is exposed to a fair amount of heat with the radiator fan above it but it is well ventilated. The plastic tanks seem to expand and contract well and it appears to be made from the same plastic our main fuel tanks are made of.

The standard syncro vehicle tank has heat shielding from the engine/ gearbox heat, however, my syncro has been converted at least 15 years ago to a suby power plant and the heat shielding was removed from the tank at the same time. This was never returned.

In previous 4wd expeditions - particularly in soft sand my 3rd stage fan has gone off due to hot running in very boggy sand and there has been no issue with the fuel tank.

Thus I assume if the lids are done up tight there should be no problem.

Anyone have any thoughts words of wisdom otherwise?

Cheers,

Scott

6
You have far too much prejudice Ken.
 
However, I am prejudice against the steel jerry cans - I have one from new and the lid doesn't seal very well and the pourer is even worse. The plastic one doesn't spill a drop with the lid on or while pouring. Mine are the top of the range plastic ones and I haven't had any trouble with them - yet.
 
I checked underneath and the 20L ones would probably not fit - too tall -the 10L ones fit real well and sit right at the back of the wheel well - well clear of everything.
 
The only issue is the radiator heat. Don't do it if you are planning on long hours in bumper to bumper traffic I would suggest.
 
I knew a bloke who stored a soft plastic inflatable water tank under there and said his water didn't even come out hot after a long drive?
 
 
 
 
 
----- Original Message -----
Sent: Wednesday, December 23, 2009 8:02 PM
Subject: RE: [Syncro_T3_Australia] Spare Wheel Well

 

Scott, Hartmut,
 
I think a solicitor, when proffering opinions, stamps "without prejudice" across the document so as to prevent use of such documents being used against himself in a court of law. This is probably something similar, hence "without prejudice"!

I've ruminated whether there is any tangible difference between placing a 20 litre steel jerry can of petrol in the spare wheel bay (hidden, shade protected, better for/aft weight balance, albeit radiant radiator heat) compared with a rear mounted jerry can of petrol (not hidden, vandal accessible, not so good for/aft weight balance, fully exposed to summer heat, rear impact risk).
 
So I'm still not convinced there is much difference between the two alternatives in terms of safety. I concede I'm not a fan of plastic jerry cans though, opt for a steel jerry can any day, ensure the internal air/expansion space is present and the clamp is pinned closed as well. I bought 2 ex swiss army steel jerry cans in very good nic ... happy with those.
Cheers. Not sure if this "without prejudice" opinion helps you Scott.
Ken   

To: Syncro_T3_Australia @yahoogroups. com
From: hartis@live. com.au
Date: Wed, 23 Dec 2009 19:07:32 +1100
Subject: RE: [Syncro_T3_Australi a] Spare Wheel Well

 

Not such a good idea Scott, there are a few issues mainly safety related. I can only suggest to do a proper risk assessment before placing those bombs under your feet. I would see an aircraft builder for instance and have a tank built, aircraft aluminium because it would withstand the worst of abuse without leaking prematurely. Just my thoughts, in case you are coming up here we could go to Taree

For a quote. You could install an elec. Pump to transfer the fuel into the main tank.    With my best wishes for a lovely (quiet haha) Christmas      hartmut

 

From: Syncro_T3_Australia @yahoogroups. com [mailto:Syncro_ T3_Australia@ yahoogroups. com] On Behalf Of Mr Scott Pitcher
Sent: Wednesday, 23 December 2009 6:26 PM
To: Syncro_T3_Australia @yahoogroups. com
Subject: [Syncro_T3_Australi a] Spare Wheel Well

 

Hi all,

 

I am trying to make use of my now useless spare wheel well and apart from some recovery gear and possibly some well packaged spares and thought why not a couple of 10L plastic jerry cans?

 

The spare wheel well is exposed to a fair amount of heat with the radiator fan above it but it is well ventilated. The plastic tanks seem to expand and contract well and it appears to be made from the same plastic our main fuel tanks are made of.

 

The standard syncro vehicle tank has heat shielding from the engine/ gearbox heat, however, my syncro has been converted at least 15 years ago to a suby power plant and the heat shielding was removed from the tank at the same time. This was never returned.

 

In previous 4wd expeditions - particularly in soft sand my 3rd stage fan has gone off due to hot running in very boggy sand and there has been no issue with the fuel tank.

 

Thus I assume if the lids are done up tight there should be no problem.

 

Anyone have any thoughts words of wisdom otherwise?

 

Cheers,

 

Scott

 

 



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Hi Ken,

 

Firstly, what a brilliant idea, let’s ALL of US contributing to this, our site,  start each and every reply with “without prejudice”. This should stop all of this litigation crab which is  plaguing some members.......

Secondly, Ken,  you are absolutely right when you question the carriage of fuel  in a rear mounted  container, except we didn’t really talk about this, the question was about a couple of plastic cans

 Carried in the wheel well and I didn’t like the idea too much. Nothing against a solid Jerry can if you can find a good one, except that it’s maybe cumbersome to fiddle out when already stressed to max

(poss. passed the last petrol station 20 clicks ago, the kidz are hungry, no Macca in sight etc) this is worst case scenario and this is what one takes into the equation when applying  Risk Assessment.

Since Human Factors have become mandatory to pass as a pilot, the accident rate in the Recreational Pilot fraternity has shrunk by +- 80 %.  Let us think about this when we mount fuel on front or rear bumpers. For me it’s no ruminating about, I would carry spare fuel where I would carry a Black Box , in the safest possible space available. But that’s me, I already had too many close calls, flying gliders since 1970.  hartmut

From: Syncro_T3_Australia@yahoogroups.com [mailto:Syncro_T3_Australia@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Ken Garratt
Sent: Wednesday, 23 December 2009 8:02 PM
To: Syncro _T3_Australia forum
Subject: RE: [Syncro_T3_Australia] Spare Wheel Well

 

 

Scott, Hartmut,
 
I think a solicitor, when proffering opinions, stamps "without prejudice" across the document so as to prevent use of such documents being used against himself in a court of law. This is probably something similar, hence "without prejudice"!

I've ruminated whether there is any tangible difference between placing a 20 litre steel jerry can of petrol in the spare wheel bay (hidden, shade protected, better for/aft weight balance, albeit radiant radiator heat) compared with a rear mounted jerry can of petrol (not hidden, vandal accessible, not so good for/aft weight balance, fully exposed to summer heat, rear impact risk).
 
So I'm still not convinced there is much difference between the two alternatives in terms of safety. I concede I'm not a fan of plastic jerry cans though, opt for a steel jerry can any day, ensure the internal air/expansion space is present and the clamp is pinned closed as well. I bought 2 ex swiss army steel jerry cans in very good nic ... happy with those.
Cheers. Not sure if this "without prejudice" opinion helps you Scott.
Ken   

To: Syncro_T3_Australia@yahoogroups.com
From: hartis@live.com.au
Date: Wed, 23 Dec 2009 19:07:32 +1100
Subject: RE: [Syncro_T3_Australia] Spare Wheel Well

 

Not such a good idea Scott, there are a few issues mainly safety related. I can only suggest to do a proper risk assessment before placing those bombs under your feet. I would see an aircraft builder for instance and have a tank built, aircraft aluminium because it would withstand the worst of abuse without leaking prematurely. Just my thoughts, in case you are coming up here we could go to Taree

For a quote. You could install an elec. Pump to transfer the fuel into the main tank.    With my best wishes for a lovely (quiet haha) Christmas      hartmut

 

From: Syncro_T3_Australia@yahoogroups.com [mailto:Syncro_T3_Australia@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Mr Scott Pitcher
Sent: Wednesday, 23 December 2009 6:26 PM
To: Syncro_T3_Australia@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [Syncro_T3_Australia] Spare Wheel Well

 

 

Hi all,

 

I am trying to make use of my now useless spare wheel well and apart from some recovery gear and possibly some well packaged spares and thought why not a couple of 10L plastic jerry cans?

 

The spare wheel well is exposed to a fair amount of heat with the radiator fan above it but it is well ventilated. The plastic tanks seem to expand and contract well and it appears to be made from the same plastic our main fuel tanks are made of.

 

The standard syncro vehicle tank has heat shielding from the engine/ gearbox heat, however, my syncro has been converted at least 15 years ago to a suby power plant and the heat shielding was removed from the tank at the same time. This was never returned.

 

In previous 4wd expeditions - particularly in soft sand my 3rd stage fan has gone off due to hot running in very boggy sand and there has been no issue with the fuel tank.

 

Thus I assume if the lids are done up tight there should be no problem.

 

Anyone have any thoughts words of wisdom otherwise?

 

Cheers,

 

Scott

 

 

 

 

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nah ... all that is saying is your steel jerry can is dodgy and needs replacing. I'd lay bets on my ex swiss army jerry cans for quality and seal test.

I've already tried fitting a 20 litres Oz made jerry can underneath .... identical in size, and it fits under no probs, no mods. I glued flat rubber sheeting on the side that lays down to act as a steel/steel buffer. Anyone paranoid could also tie it down.
 
I get a warm floor ... always have, so there is heat there ... even more so when the fan kicks in. Maybe your bloke was snow skiing at the time ... haha
 
Ken 
To: Syncro_T3_Australia@yahoogroups.com
From: spbconsulting@bigpond.com
Date: Wed, 23 Dec 2009 22:14:02 +1100
Subject: Re: [Syncro_T3_Australia] Spare Wheel Well

 
You have far too much prejudice Ken.
 
However, I am prejudice against the steel jerry cans - I have one from new and the lid doesn't seal very well and the pourer is even worse. The plastic one doesn't spill a drop with the lid on or while pouring. Mine are the top of the range plastic ones and I haven't had any trouble with them - yet.
 
I checked underneath and the 20L ones would probably not fit - too tall -the 10L ones fit real well and sit right at the back of the wheel well - well clear of everything.
 
The only issue is the radiator heat. Don't do it if you are planning on long hours in bumper to bumper traffic I would suggest.
 
I knew a bloke who stored a soft plastic inflatable water tank under there and said his water didn't even come out hot after a long drive?
 
 
 
 
 
----- Original Message -----
Sent: Wednesday, December 23, 2009 8:02 PM
Subject: RE: [Syncro_T3_Australi a] Spare Wheel Well

 

Scott, Hartmut,
 
I think a solicitor, when proffering opinions, stamps "without prejudice" across the document so as to prevent use of such documents being used against himself in a court of law. This is probably something similar, hence "without prejudice"!

I've ruminated whether there is any tangible difference between placing a 20 litre steel jerry can of petrol in the spare wheel bay (hidden, shade protected, better for/aft weight balance, albeit radiant radiator heat) compared with a rear mounted jerry can of petrol (not hidden, vandal accessible, not so good for/aft weight balance, fully exposed to summer heat, rear impact risk).
 
So I'm still not convinced there is much difference between the two alternatives in terms of safety. I concede I'm not a fan of plastic jerry cans though, opt for a steel jerry can any day, ensure the internal air/expansion space is present and the clamp is pinned closed as well. I bought 2 ex swiss army steel jerry cans in very good nic ... happy with those.
Cheers. Not sure if this "without prejudice" opinion helps you Scott.
Ken   

To: Syncro_T3_Australia @yahoogroups. com
From: hartis@live. com.au
Date: Wed, 23 Dec 2009 19:07:32 +1100
Subject: RE: [Syncro_T3_Australi a] Spare Wheel Well

 

Not such a good idea Scott, there are a few issues mainly safety related. I can only suggest to do a proper risk assessment before placing those bombs under your feet. I would see an aircraft builder for instance and have a tank built, aircraft aluminium because it would withstand the worst of abuse without leaking prematurely. Just my thoughts, in case you are coming up here we could go to Taree

For a quote. You could install an elec. Pump to transfer the fuel into the main tank.    With my best wishes for a lovely (quiet haha) Christmas      hartmut

 

From: Syncro_T3_Australia @yahoogroups. com [mailto:Syncro_ T3_Australia@ yahoogroups. com] On Behalf Of Mr Scott Pitcher
Sent: Wednesday, 23 December 2009 6:26 PM
To: Syncro_T3_Australia @yahoogroups. com
Subject: [Syncro_T3_Australi a] Spare Wheel Well

 

Hi all,

 

I am trying to make use of my now useless spare wheel well and apart from some recovery gear and possibly some well packaged spares and thought why not a couple of 10L plastic jerry cans?

 

The spare wheel well is exposed to a fair amount of heat with the radiator fan above it but it is well ventilated. The plastic tanks seem to expand and contract well and it appears to be made from the same plastic our main fuel tanks are made of.

 

The standard syncro vehicle tank has heat shielding from the engine/ gearbox heat, however, my syncro has been converted at least 15 years ago to a suby power plant and the heat shielding was removed from the tank at the same time. This was never returned.

 

In previous 4wd expeditions - particularly in soft sand my 3rd stage fan has gone off due to hot running in very boggy sand and there has been no issue with the fuel tank.

 

Thus I assume if the lids are done up tight there should be no problem.

 

Anyone have any thoughts words of wisdom otherwise?

 

Cheers,

 

Scott

 

 



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Hartmut, be fair to say a few jerry cans stowed up the front of the ute tray would be an ideal solution for the Tristar. Isn't that what the Doka did in the cross Australia trial ... it carried a full load of jerry cans for the 2 syncros involved?
 
I've run out of other options for a supplementary fuel supply location ..... only leaves the spare wheel space or jerry cans out back. I wouldn't fancy carrying fuel out front.
 
My van came with a rear rack for 2 jerry cans, fitted back in about 1992. I assume it was used. I'm about the sixth owner. The syncro is still here in one piece. Maybe just plain old lucky eh. Touch wood.
Ken
 
 
 
To: Syncro_T3_Australia@yahoogroups.com
From: hartis@live.com.au
Date: Wed, 23 Dec 2009 22:13:51 +1100
Subject: RE: [Syncro_T3_Australia] Spare Wheel Well

 

Hi Ken,

 

Firstly, what a brilliant idea, let’s ALL of US contributing to this, our site,  start each and every reply with “without prejudice”. This should stop all of this litigation crab which is  plaguing some members..... ..

Secondly, Ken,  you are absolutely right when you question the carriage of fuel  in a rear mounted  container, except we didn’t really talk about this, the question was about a couple of plastic cans

 Carried in the wheel well and I didn’t like the idea too much. Nothing against a solid Jerry can if you can find a good one, except that it’s maybe cumbersome to fiddle out when already stressed to max

(poss. passed the last petrol station 20 clicks ago, the kidz are hungry, no Macca in sight etc) this is worst case scenario and this is what one takes into the equation when applying  Risk Assessment.

Since Human Factors have become mandatory to pass as a pilot, the accident rate in the Recreational Pilot fraternity has shrunk by +- 80 %.  Let us think about this when we mount fuel on front or rear bumpers. For me it’s no ruminating about, I would carry spare fuel where I would carry a Black Box , in the safest possible space available. But that’s me, I already had too many close calls, flying gliders since 1970.  hartmut

From: Syncro_T3_Australia @yahoogroups. com [mailto:Syncro_ T3_Australia@ yahoogroups. com] On Behalf Of Ken Garratt
Sent: Wednesday, 23 December 2009 8:02 PM
To: Syncro _T3_Australia forum
Subject: RE: [Syncro_T3_Australi a] Spare Wheel Well

 

 

Scott, Hartmut,
 
I think a solicitor, when proffering opinions, stamps "without prejudice" across the document so as to prevent use of such documents being used against himself in a court of law. This is probably something similar, hence "without prejudice"!

I've ruminated whether there is any tangible difference between placing a 20 litre steel jerry can of petrol in the spare wheel bay (hidden, shade protected, better for/aft weight balance, albeit radiant radiator heat) compared with a rear mounted jerry can of petrol (not hidden, vandal accessible, not so good for/aft weight balance, fully exposed to summer heat, rear impact risk).
 
So I'm still not convinced there is much difference between the two alternatives in terms of safety. I concede I'm not a fan of plastic jerry cans though, opt for a steel jerry can any day, ensure the internal air/expansion space is present and the clamp is pinned closed as well. I bought 2 ex swiss army steel jerry cans in very good nic ... happy with those.
Cheers. Not sure if this "without prejudice" opinion helps you Scott.
Ken   

To: Syncro_T3_Australia @yahoogroups. com
From: hartis@live. com.au
Date: Wed, 23 Dec 2009 19:07:32 +1100
Subject: RE: [Syncro_T3_Australi a] Spare Wheel Well

 

Not such a good idea Scott, there are a few issues mainly safety related. I can only suggest to do a proper risk assessment before placing those bombs under your feet. I would see an aircraft builder for instance and have a tank built, aircraft aluminium because it would withstand the worst of abuse without leaking prematurely. Just my thoughts, in case you are coming up here we could go to Taree

For a quote. You could install an elec. Pump to transfer the fuel into the main tank.    With my best wishes for a lovely (quiet haha) Christmas      hartmut

 

From: Syncro_T3_Australia @yahoogroups. com [mailto:Syncro_ T3_Australia@ yahoogroups. com] On Behalf Of Mr Scott Pitcher
Sent: Wednesday, 23 December 2009 6:26 PM
To: Syncro_T3_Australia @yahoogroups. com
Subject: [Syncro_T3_Australi a] Spare Wheel Well

 

 

Hi all,

 

I am trying to make use of my now useless spare wheel well and apart from some recovery gear and possibly some well packaged spares and thought why not a couple of 10L plastic jerry cans?

 

The spare wheel well is exposed to a fair amount of heat with the radiator fan above it but it is well ventilated. The plastic tanks seem to expand and contract well and it appears to be made from the same plastic our main fuel tanks are made of.

 

The standard syncro vehicle tank has heat shielding from the engine/ gearbox heat, however, my syncro has been converted at least 15 years ago to a suby power plant and the heat shielding was removed from the tank at the same time. This was never returned.

 

In previous 4wd expeditions - particularly in soft sand my 3rd stage fan has gone off due to hot running in very boggy sand and there has been no issue with the fuel tank.

 

Thus I assume if the lids are done up tight there should be no problem.

 

Anyone have any thoughts words of wisdom otherwise?

 

Cheers,

 

Scott

 

 

 

 

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Hi Scott. Sounds like a good spot for a hot water tank. I just got back from Qld visiting my son. If the plomer run is on give me a ring, i'm in. ph 0265685025. Merry christmas all. Bill and Marg.
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Bill,
 
Just returned yesterday from my trip and we actually left on 24th and stayed with my non internet using in-laws. Hence I missed your message.
 
It seems we also missed Ben who came through on the 27th.
 
We checked into Delicate Nobby (Sensitive Penis) camping area on 26th and came up the coastal "Point Plumber" road that day. We cruised past a couple of stuck soft roaders and a 4wd pulling a trailer who was also stuck (as everyone says - towing a trailer is like dragging an anchor).
 
The suby syncro had no problems at all and the kids loved bouncing up and down in the back until my surfboard ended up on Sienna. That was a quick stop and move the surfboard then off again.
 
With all the vibrations and craters the diff lock managed to lock itself on and not want to come off. A quick fix at the camp ground with my air compressor sorted that out.
 
My syncro is dirtier than I have ever seen it. We have a few photos but as it kept raining it kept washing the dirt off.
 
I think it is time for a clean and to track down my wife's camera.
 
Sorry we missed everyone but there was no phone reception at all in Delicate Nobby and I only had Hartmut's number (and he couldn't even find his phone).
 
Happy New Year everyone!
 
Cheers,
 
Scott
 
 
 
----- Original Message -----
From: Bill
Sent: Friday, December 25, 2009 6:26 AM
Subject: [Syncro_T3_Australia] Re: Spare Wheel Well

 


Hi Scott. Sounds like a good spot for a hot water tank. I just got back from Qld visiting my son. If the plomer run is on give me a ring, i'm in. ph 0265685025. Merry christmas all. Bill and Marg.