Tailshaft bolts

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--- In Syncro_T3_Australia@yahoogroups.com, "wendy and brian" <wendyandbrian7@...> wrote:
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> Some time ago one of my shaft joints went. Went to the local macho 4/4 boys,
> for port macquarie people it was binskins. These people modified and lifted
> 4/4s. They said it was too hard, so my cackles went up. I went home and
> pressed the uni out, went to the local tractor supplies and got the same
> joint off the shelf. Had it done that arvo. Never had a problem since.
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> Still have the packaging for the new uni joint in shed if any of you want
> the part no.
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> brian
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> From: Syncro_T3_Australia@yahoogroups.com
> [mailto:Syncro_T3_Australia@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Ken Garratt
> Sent: Wednesday, 6 June 2012 3:18 PM
> To: _T3_Australia forum Syncro
> Subject: RE: [Syncro_T3_Australia] Re: Propshaft remediation
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> Thanks Mike.
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> Sounds like a good workshop to note down for whenever it comes to propshaft
> remediation.
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> Cheers.
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> Ken
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> To: Syncro_T3_Australia@yahoogroups.com
> From: mikefinch55@...
> Date: Wed, 6 Jun 2012 03:39:33 +0000
> Subject: [Syncro_T3_Australia] Re: Propshaft remediation
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> hi ,only did this in feb but all good so far,they were very good,seem to
> know their stuff,i had used them before for a truck propshaft,24 hours from
> drop off to pick up,said that the most common problem with them was the yoke
> starting to splay out and the shaft bending,looked up my
> receipt,straighten,balance and new joints $330,quized them about making a
> new one at the time and it wasn't that much more expensive 450-500 from
> memory cheers mike
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> --- In Syncro_T3_Australia@yahoogroups.com
> <mailto:Syncro_T3_Australia%40yahoogroups.com> , Ken Garratt <unclekenz@>
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> > Hi Mike,This seems to be the business in Clyde/Granville you are referring
> to ...Goto: http://metropolitandriveshafts.com.au/index.htmlCan you please
> expand a little on your experiences with them, for example ...Was the syncro
> propshaft unusual for them?Had they seen or remediated one before?Any
> problematic issues they had to deal with such as finding compatible
> parts?Balancing issues?Professionalism? Satisfaction?Any other issues?Any
> issues with the propshaft since?TIA.Cheers.Ken
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> > Subject: Re: [Syncro_T3_Australia] Tailshaft bolts
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Brian. I had a similar experience. Was quoted $750 from Coffs harbour experts to fit and balance new joints. Had another mob press in the tractor ones for a fraction of the price. Was about 3 years ago about 45000 km. So far so good.When i bought my van the bundle of receipts showed replacement unis at 120000km. for about $250. The cheap price would indicate they wern't the hardy spicer expensive ones. I had the job done again at 250000km. Current mileage 295000km. The observation is the cheapies lasted as long as the oroginal equipment, although both should last longer i would think. Bill
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I have a dead VW one after 50k.

Could be rust?????? caused by water???
Maybe it's age not mileage???
The flogged out yokes may be mileage??? or owners driving with dead unis???


> Bill <marg_bill@westnet.com.au> wrote:
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> Brian. I had a similar experience. Was quoted $750 from Coffs harbour
> experts to fit and balance new joints. Had another mob press in the
> tractor ones for a fraction of the price. Was about 3 years ago about
> 45000 km. So far so good.When i bought my van the bundle of receipts
> showed replacement unis at 120000km. for about $250. The cheap price
> would indicate they wern't the hardy spicer expensive ones. I had the
> job done again at 250000km. Current mileage 295000km. The observation is
> the cheapies lasted as long as the oroginal equipment, although both
> should last longer i would think. Bill
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In other words, under engineered for the specified purpose. Greg E

From: "plander@optusnet.com.au" <plander@optusnet.com.au>
To: Syncro_T3_Australia@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Wednesday, 6 June 2012 7:12 PM
Subject: Re: [Syncro_T3_Australia] Re: Propshaft remediation

 
I have a dead VW one after 50k.

Could be rust?????? caused by water???
Maybe it's age not mileage???
The flogged out yokes may be mileage??? or owners driving with dead unis???

> Bill <marg_bill@westnet.com.au> wrote:
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> Brian. I had a similar experience. Was quoted $750 from Coffs harbour
> experts to fit and balance new joints. Had another mob press in the
> tractor ones for a fraction of the price. Was about 3 years ago about
> 45000 km. So far so good.When i bought my van the bundle of receipts
> showed replacement unis at 120000km. for about $250. The cheap price
> would indicate they wern't the hardy spicer expensive ones. I had the
> job done again at 250000km. Current mileage 295000km. The observation is
> the cheapies lasted as long as the oroginal equipment, although both
> should last longer i would think. Bill


 
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I wonder how long other permanent 4WD unis last?



> greg esposito <gregespo73@yahoo.com> wrote:
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> In other words, under engineered for the specified purpose. Greg E
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> From: "plander@optusnet.com.au" <plander@optusnet.com.au>
> To: Syncro_T3_Australia@yahoogroups.com
> Sent: Wednesday, 6 June 2012 7:12 PM
> Subject: Re: [Syncro_T3_Australia] Re: Propshaft remediation
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> I have a dead VW one after 50k.
>
> Could be rust?????? caused by water???
> Maybe it's age not mileage???
> The flogged out yokes may be mileage??? or owners driving with dead
> unis???
>
> > Bill <marg_bill@westnet.com.au> wrote:
> >
> > Brian. I had a similar experience. Was quoted $750 from Coffs harbour
> > experts to fit and balance new joints. Had another mob press in the
> > tractor ones for a fraction of the price. Was about 3 years ago about
> > 45000 km. So far so good.When i bought my van the bundle of receipts
> > showed replacement unis at 120000km. for about $250. The cheap price
> > would indicate they wern't the hardy spicer expensive ones. I had the
> > job done again at 250000km. Current mileage 295000km. The observation
> is
> > the cheapies lasted as long as the oroginal equipment, although both
> > should last longer i would think. Bill
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I cant find the Hardy Spicer receipt for my propshaft,but from what I remember it was about $750.This was for a new,thicker balanced shaft and yokes with stronger,bigger and more available uni-joints and a slip-yoke.
Seemed like a no brainer considering new replacement unis were almost that price and also I had damage yoke eyes,that had to be repaired by pitting them for a tighter fit.This didnt seem like a long term fix.
I did have problems with the new shaft vibrating and I took it back twice until it was remedied.(no-charge)
I looked into the GW replacement but with freight it was dearer.
Hardy Spicer were very helpful and I have since learned that their main man who built my shaft has without a doubt the most experience in building driveshafts in the country.
BenC



--- In Syncro_T3_Australia@yahoogroups.com, "Bill" <marg_bill@...> wrote:
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> Brian. I had a similar experience. Was quoted $750 from Coffs harbour experts to fit and balance new joints. Had another mob press in the tractor ones for a fraction of the price. Was about 3 years ago about 45000 km. So far so good.When i bought my van the bundle of receipts showed replacement unis at 120000km. for about $250. The cheap price would indicate they wern't the hardy spicer expensive ones. I had the job done again at 250000km. Current mileage 295000km. The observation is the cheapies lasted as long as the oroginal equipment, although both should last longer i would think. Bill
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Phill,could be spider webs.
I will have your buckets to you soon.
BenC

--- In Syncro_T3_Australia@yahoogroups.com, plander@... wrote:
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> I have a dead VW one after 50k.
>
> Could be rust?????? caused by water???
> Maybe it's age not mileage???
> The flogged out yokes may be mileage??? or owners driving with dead unis???
>
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> > Bill <marg_bill@...> wrote:
> >
> > Brian. I had a similar experience. Was quoted $750 from Coffs harbour
> > experts to fit and balance new joints. Had another mob press in the
> > tractor ones for a fraction of the price. Was about 3 years ago about
> > 45000 km. So far so good.When i bought my van the bundle of receipts
> > showed replacement unis at 120000km. for about $250. The cheap price
> > would indicate they wern't the hardy spicer expensive ones. I had the
> > job done again at 250000km. Current mileage 295000km. The observation is
> > the cheapies lasted as long as the oroginal equipment, although both
> > should last longer i would think. Bill
>
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Greg,Hardys were not familiar with syncro and I had to keep telling them,its a AWD Kombi,but under-engineered for the specific purpose sounds like something he mentioned.
I think it was more like "piss weak" after they had a look at my bus.
They were not impressed with the size of the unis and laughed at the dampner.
Even though there is very minimal movement with suspension travel with the tranaxle and front diff being mounted to the chasis all driveshafts and drive train components can benifit from having a slip yoke.
BenC

--- In Syncro_T3_Australia@yahoogroups.com, greg esposito <gregespo73@...> wrote:
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> In other words, under engineered for the specified purpose. Greg E
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> From: "plander@..." <plander@...>
> To: Syncro_T3_Australia@yahoogroups.com
> Sent: Wednesday, 6 June 2012 7:12 PM
> Subject: Re: [Syncro_T3_Australia] Re: Propshaft remediation
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> I have a dead VW one after 50k.
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> Could be rust?????? caused by water???
> Maybe it's age not mileage???
> The flogged out yokes may be mileage??? or owners driving with dead unis???
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> > Bill <marg_bill@...> wrote:
> >
> > Brian. I had a similar experience. Was quoted $750 from Coffs harbour
> > experts to fit and balance new joints. Had another mob press in the
> > tractor ones for a fraction of the price. Was about 3 years ago about
> > 45000 km. So far so good.When i bought my van the bundle of receipts
> > showed replacement unis at 120000km. for about $250. The cheap price
> > would indicate they wern't the hardy spicer expensive ones. I had the
> > job done again at 250000km. Current mileage 295000km. The observation is
> > the cheapies lasted as long as the oroginal equipment, although both
> > should last longer i would think. Bill
>
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It would be pricey to buy one of these, pay for shipping, and ship the old "core unit" back to the states.

My shaft doesn't have a slip yoke, but it doesn't need one because the components aren't swinging around on road springs, like a conventional vehicle.

But I agree that there has to be an allowance for the slight flexing of the front diff and rear transaxle on the rubber mounts.

Which is why the elves in the Black Forest put a rubber coupling on the tailshaft. 

I think I'll stick with the original setup, but am tempted to look around for a stronger and cheaper alternative to Hardy Spicer.

Sounds like Ben has already travelled this road. What was his solution?

                                                                                                             Roger Beetle.



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Roger,what else would you like to know??
BenC

--- In Syncro_T3_Australia@yahoogroups.com, Gullyraker@... wrote:
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> It would be pricey to buy one of these, pay for shipping, and ship the old
> "core unit" back to the states.
>
> My shaft doesn't have a slip yoke, but it doesn't need one because the
> components aren't swinging around on road springs, like a conventional vehicle.
>
> But I agree that there has to be an allowance for the slight flexing of the
> front diff and rear transaxle on the rubber mounts.
>
> Which is why the elves in the Black Forest put a rubber coupling on the
> tailshaft.
>
> I think I'll stick with the original setup, but am tempted to look around
> for a stronger and cheaper alternative to Hardy Spicer.
>
> Sounds like Ben has already travelled this road. What was his solution?
>
>
> Roger Beetle.
>
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Thanks Ben - you already answered my questions in another post.

                                                                         Cheers, Roger.