Tire size

Hi,

I've sorted the rebound damping issue on the sycro ( new OME shocks to
compliment go westy springs. Got about 4 years from the last set)
Next stop is new tyres. Can anyone tell me the largest tyre you can
fit in the front spare bay ? Currently I run 215/75/15 and can fit a
deflated spare in there. I would prefer 225/75/15 for the next set.
Anyone running Cooper ATR's ?

Mark
Mark,
 
This is something that I have been meaning to get onto but haven't yet.  I had a look some time ago and it seemed to be possible to drop the entire tyre carrier by 20-25mm fairly easily - welding involved, of course.  The key thing is to stop the tyre rubbing on the steering shaft.  It should be possible to offset the carrier to the left side to achieve this. 
 
Now that you have raised it, I will have a further look because I am running BFG A/T 215/75/15 @ +27.5.  This size clears the wheel wells and trailing arms but not sure about the 225.  You would find more information on the Yahoo US Syncro website.  Your membership to this group gets you into that one.
 
Les
 
----- Original Message -----
From: m.mullet
Sent: Sunday, October 19, 2008 3:32 PM
Subject: [Syncro_T3_Australia] Tire size

Hi,

I've sorted the rebound damping issue on the sycro ( new OME shocks to
compliment go westy springs. Got about 4 years from the last set)
Next stop is new tyres. Can anyone tell me the largest tyre you can
fit in the front spare bay ? Currently I run 215/75/15 and can fit a
deflated spare in there. I would prefer 225/75/15 for the next set.
Anyone running Cooper ATR's ?

Mark

Hi Mark,

 

I currently run Coopers ATR 215/75/15 and have found them very quite on the road and so far good offroad – although I’ve really only done a little snow and dirt road driving on them. They of course fit on the spare bay which was one of the reason I went for them but I don’t know about the 225 in regard to that. However, so far I’d highly recommend these tyres.

 

Cheers Murray


From: Syncro_T3_Australia@yahoogroups.com [mailto:Syncro_T3_Australia@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of m.mullet
Sent: Sunday, 19 October 2008 3:32 PM
To: Syncro_T3_Australia@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [Syncro_T3_Australia] Tire size

 

Hi,

I've sorted the rebound damping issue on the sycro ( new OME shocks to
compliment go westy springs. Got about 4 years from the last set)
Next stop is new tyres. Can anyone tell me the largest tyre you can
fit in the front spare bay ? Currently I run 215/75/15 and can fit a
deflated spare in there. I would prefer 225/75/15 for the next set.
Anyone running Cooper ATR's ?

Mark

Gday Murray,

If my memory serves me correct, I think you went for 215 70 R15 size
tyres because of fit/clearance issues with the 215 75 R15 size tyre in
the clamshell.

Cheers.

Ken


--- In Syncro_T3_Australia@yahoogroups.com, "Murray Lee"
<murray.lee@...> wrote:
>
> Hi Mark,
>
>
>
> I currently run Coopers ATR 215/75/15 and have found them very quite
on
> the road and so far good offroad - although I've really only done a
> little snow and dirt road driving on them. They of course fit on the
> spare bay which was one of the reason I went for them but I don't know
> about the 225 in regard to that. However, so far I'd highly recommend
> these tyres.
>
>
>
> Cheers Murray
>
> ________________________________
>
> From: Syncro_T3_Australia@yahoogroups.com
> [mailto:Syncro_T3_Australia@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of m.mullet
> Sent: Sunday, 19 October 2008 3:32 PM
> To: Syncro_T3_Australia@yahoogroups.com
> Subject: [Syncro_T3_Australia] Tire size
>
>
>
> Hi,
>
> I've sorted the rebound damping issue on the sycro ( new OME shocks to
> compliment go westy springs. Got about 4 years from the last set)
> Next stop is new tyres. Can anyone tell me the largest tyre you can
> fit in the front spare bay ? Currently I run 215/75/15 and can fit a
> deflated spare in there. I would prefer 225/75/15 for the next set.
> Anyone running Cooper ATR's ?
>
> Mark
>
Gday Mark,

I think there is general agreement an inflated 215 75 15 wheel won't
fit/clear in the stock standard clamshell, so as Les says, it would
require a mod to achieve a satisfactory fit. So of course, many have
instead opted for a rear-mount wheel.

I think Sam got rid of his clamshell altogether and installed an
imported GoWesty strap or rod tyreholder setup catering for at least 15"
wheels. However, I think they may be NLA.

My 15" wheels, which have the correct offset, rub on that black plastic
trim piece on the rear of the wheel arch when on a lock offroad,
suspension working. So if you're thinking about 225 75 15 size tyres,
also check wheel arch and suspension clearance issues as well as the
clamshell fit.

In my view, selecting the most appropriate tyre for your needs in 215 75
15 would probably serve you better than the wider tyre with added
problems that may arise such as lack of clearance in more places, added
weight, heavier steering, rougher ride, more load/wear on bearings etc.
Dearer too.

For a syncro in Australian offroad conditions, has anyone carried out
definitive testing that establishes wider tyres actually achieve much at
all, aside from a happy feeling and bigger $ outlays to tyre dealers?

Mark, can you tell us about your new OME shocks please, where you
sourced them and costings? TIA.

Cheers.

Ken




--- In Syncro_T3_Australia@yahoogroups.com, "m.mullet" <m.mullet@...>
wrote:
>
> Hi,
>
> I've sorted the rebound damping issue on the sycro ( new OME shocks to
> compliment go westy springs. Got about 4 years from the last set)
> Next stop is new tyres. Can anyone tell me the largest tyre you can
> fit in the front spare bay ? Currently I run 215/75/15 and can fit a
> deflated spare in there. I would prefer 225/75/15 for the next set.
> Anyone running Cooper ATR's ?
>
> Mark
>

You are right Ken of course, I stand corrected and do hope Mark is not presently trying to unsuccessfully cram 75s into the clamshell.

 

From: Syncro_T3_Australia@yahoogroups.com [mailto:Syncro_T3_Australia@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Ken
Sent: Monday, 20 October 2008 3:11 PM
To: Syncro_T3_Australia@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [Syncro_T3_Australia] Re: Tire size

 


Gday Murray,

If my memory serves me correct, I think you went for 215 70 R15 size
tyres because of fit/clearance issues with the 215 75 R15 size tyre in
the clamshell.

Cheers.

Ken

--- In Syncro_T3_Australia @yahoogroups. com, " Murray Lee "
<murray.lee@ ...> wrote:

>
> Hi Mark,
>
>
>
> I currently run Coopers ATR 215/75/15 and have found them very quite
on
> the road and so far good offroad - although I've really only done a
> little snow and dirt road driving on them. They of course fit on the
> spare bay which was one of the reason I went for them but I don't know
> about the 225 in regard to that. However, so far I'd highly recommend
> these tyres.
>
>
>
> Cheers Murray
>
> ____________ _________ _________ __
>
> From: Syncro_T3_Australia @yahoogroups. com
> [mailto:Syncro_T3_Australia @yahoogroups. com]
On Behalf Of m.mullet
> Sent: Sunday, 19 October 2008 3:32 PM
> To: Syncro_T3_Australia @yahoogroups. com
> Subject: [Syncro_T3_Australi a] Tire size
>
>
>
> Hi,
>
> I've sorted the rebound damping issue on the sycro ( new OME shocks to
> compliment go westy springs. Got about 4 years from the last set)
> Next stop is new tyres. Can anyone tell me the largest tyre you can
> fit in the front spare bay ? Currently I run 215/75/15 and can fit a
> deflated spare in there. I would prefer 225/75/15 for the next set.
> Anyone running Cooper ATR's ?
>
> Mark
>

Hello
Unfortunately if you run the Cooper ATR 215/75/15's they are only Passenger Tyres. If you look at their web-site http://www.coopertires.com.au/tyres/atr_specs.htm you will see that the smallest light truck tyres are 235/75/15's.

A friend of mine had ATR P265/65/17's I think they were on his Prado and he had punctures almost every time he went off-road. He would go off with other people and he would be the only one with trouble. Cooper's told him he bought the wrong tyre. He said the Dealer recommended them. Cooper said they can't control what the dealers say. Now he has Cooper ST Light Truck tyres on it which is what he should have had in the first place. So far doing much better.

Just my thoughts if you want to go off the bitumen. Mind you this fellow only looks 2wd and the tyres

don't look off road and he has driven from India to England and then down to Cape Town!!!!!!! They might be Michelin Agilis or something similar which are apparently tough.

Bruce







On 20/10/2008, at 7:51 AM, Murray Lee wrote:


Hi Mark,

I currently run Coopers ATR 215/75/15 and have found them very quite on the road and so far good offroad – although I’ve really only done a little snow and dirt road driving on them. They of course fit on the spare bay which was one of the reason I went for them but I don’t know about the 225 in regard to that. However, so far I’d highly recommend these tyres.

Cheers Murray


From: Syncro_T3_Australia @yahoogroups. com [mailto:Syncro_ T3_Australia@ yahoogroups. com] On Behalf Of m.mullet
Sent: Sunday, 19 October 2008 3:32 PM
To: Syncro_T3_Australia @yahoogroups. com
Subject: [Syncro_T3_Australi a] Tire size

Hi,

I've sorted the rebound damping issue on the sycro ( new OME shocks to
compliment go westy springs. Got about 4 years from the last set)
Next stop is new tyres. Can anyone tell me the largest tyre you can
fit in the front spare bay ? Currently I run 215/75/15 and can fit a
deflated spare in there. I would prefer 225/75/15 for the next set.
Anyone running Cooper ATR's ?

Mark




Gday Bruce and Murray,

Bruce, where the heck were you when Murray was here crying out for help
with tyre selections .... aarrgghh!

Murray, next January at Batemans, you're hereby excused. When we go
offroading, we'll have no qualms whatever when you volunteer to stay
back and mind the kiddies ok.

Cheers.

Ken


--- In Syncro_T3_Australia@yahoogroups.com, Alison & Bruce Black
<royalb@...> wrote:
>
> Hello
> Unfortunately if you run the Cooper ATR 215/75/15's they
> are only Passenger Tyres. If you look at their web-site http://
> www.coopertires.com.au/tyres/atr_specs.htm you will see that the
> smallest light truck tyres are 235/75/15's.
>
> A friend of mine had ATR P265/65/17's I think they were on his Prado
> and he had punctures almost every time he went off-road. He would go
> off with other people and he would be the only one with trouble.
> Cooper's told him he bought the wrong tyre. He said the Dealer
> recommended them. Cooper said they can't control what the dealers
> say. Now he has Cooper ST Light Truck tyres on it which is what he
> should have had in the first place. So far doing much better.
>
> Just my thoughts if you want to go off the bitumen. Mind you this
> fellow only looks 2wd and the tyres 
>
> don't look off road and he has driven from India to England and then
> down to Cape Town!!!!!!! They might be Michelin Agilis or something
> similar which are apparently tough.
>
> Bruce
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> On 20/10/2008, at 7:51 AM, Murray Lee wrote:
>
> >
> > Hi Mark,
> >
> >
> >
> > I currently run Coopers ATR 215/75/15 and have found them very
> > quite on the road and so far good offroad â€" although
I’ve really
> > only done a little snow and dirt road driving on them. They of
> > course fit on the spare bay which was one of the reason I went for
> > them but I don’t know about the 225 in regard to that.
However, so
> > far I’d highly recommend these tyres.
> >
> >
> >
> > Cheers Murray
> >
> > From: Syncro_T3_Australia@yahoogroups.com
> > [mailto:Syncro_T3_Australia@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of m.mullet
> > Sent: Sunday, 19 October 2008 3:32 PM
> > To: Syncro_T3_Australia@yahoogroups.com
> > Subject: [Syncro_T3_Australia] Tire size
> >
> >
> >
> > Hi,
> >
> > I've sorted the rebound damping issue on the sycro ( new OME shocks
to
> > compliment go westy springs. Got about 4 years from the last set)
> > Next stop is new tyres. Can anyone tell me the largest tyre you can
> > fit in the front spare bay ? Currently I run 215/75/15 and can fit a
> > deflated spare in there. I would prefer 225/75/15 for the next set.
> > Anyone running Cooper ATR's ?
> >
> > Mark
> >
> >
> >
> >
>
Ken makes a very good point in relation to the perceived advantage versus the actual advantage of a wider tyre section. 
 
The gut feeling of  'the wider the better' doesn't quite hold up in practice.  A good illustration of this is the tyres used on the WRC (World Rally Championship) cars.  Despite the very high power of their 2 litre engines, they use remarkably narrow tyres and the reason is to achieve penetration.  They use very open treads and the narrower tyre actually provides a better bite - penetration.  This is not dissimilar to what we would wish to achieve with our Syncros.
 
I would never be able to conduct proper back-to-back tests on a Syncro to reach a reliable conclusion but my life's experience in motor vehicle development, open wheel racing and rallying suggests that the 215-75-15 would probably offer the best mixture of width and penetration.  I am running this size in BFG and have found them to be very satisfactory in terms of grip and handling.  I go with Ken's opinion.
 
Les
 
----- Original Message -----
From: Ken
Sent: Monday, October 20, 2008 4:12 PM
Subject: [Syncro_T3_Australia] Re: Tire size


Gday Mark,

In my view, selecting the most appropriate tyre for your needs in 215 75
15 would probably serve you better than the wider tyre with added
problems that may arise such as lack of clearance in more places, added
weight, heavier steering, rougher ride, more load/wear on bearings etc.
Dearer too.


For a syncro in Australian offroad conditions, has anyone carried out
definitive testing that establishes wider tyres actually achieve much at
all, aside from a happy feeling and bigger $ outlays to tyre dealers?

Cheers.

Ken

--- In Syncro_T3_Australia @yahoogroups. com, "m.mullet" <m.mullet@.. .>
wrote:
>
> Hi,
>
> I've sorted the rebound damping issue on the sycro ( new OME shocks to
> compliment go westy springs. Got about 4 years from the last set)
> Next stop is new tyres. Can anyone tell me the largest tyre you can
> fit in the front spare bay ? Currently I run 215/75/15 and can fit a
> deflated spare in there. I would prefer 225/75/15 for the next set.
> Anyone running Cooper ATR's ?
>
> Mark
>

Ken I was probably out 4WDriving happily on my BFG AT 215/75/15 tyres!!!!!!!!!!!!! No, he actually only told me of this long standing problem recently.

Bruce


On 20/10/2008, at 4:09 PM, Ken wrote:


Gday Bruce and Murray,

Bruce, where the heck were you when Murray was here crying out for help
with tyre selections .... aarrgghh!

Murray, next January at Batemans, you're hereby excused. When we go
offroading, we'll have no qualms whatever when you volunteer to stay
back and mind the kiddies ok.

Cheers.

Ken

--- In Syncro_T3_Australia @yahoogroups. com, Alison & Bruce Black
<royalb@...> wrote:
>
> Hello
> Unfortunately if you run the Cooper ATR 215/75/15's they
> are only Passenger Tyres. If you look at their web-site http://
> www.coopertires. com.au/tyres/ atr_specs. htm you will see that the
> smallest light truck tyres are 235/75/15's.
>
> A friend of mine had ATR P265/65/17's I think they were on his Prado
> and he had punctures almost every time he went off-road. He would go
> off with other people and he would be the only one with trouble.
> Cooper's told him he bought the wrong tyre. He said the Dealer
> recommended them. Cooper said they can't control what the dealers
> say. Now he has Cooper ST Light Truck tyres on it which is what he
> should have had in the first place. So far doing much better.
>
> Just my thoughts if you want to go off the bitumen. Mind you this
> fellow only looks 2wd and the tyres 
>
> don't look off road and he has driven from India to England and then
> down to Cape Town!!!!!!! They might be Michelin Agilis or something
> similar which are apparently tough.
>
> Bruce
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> On 20/10/2008, at 7:51 AM, Murray Lee wrote:
>
> >
> > Hi Mark,
> >
> >
> >
> > I currently run Coopers ATR 215/75/15 and have found them very
> > quite on the road and so far good offroad â€" although
I’ve really
> > only done a little snow and dirt road driving on them. They of
> > course fit on the spare bay which was one of the reason I went for
> > them but I don’t know about the 225 in regard to that.
However, so
> > far I’d highly recommend these tyres.
> >
> >
> >
> > Cheers Murray
> >
> > From: Syncro_T3_Australia @yahoogroups. com
> > [mailto:Syncro_T3_Australia @yahoogroups. com] On Behalf Of m.mullet
> > Sent: Sunday, 19 October 2008 3:32 PM
> > To: Syncro_T3_Australia @yahoogroups. com
> > Subject: [Syncro_T3_Australi a] Tire size
> >
> >
> >
> > Hi,
> >
> > I've sorted the rebound damping issue on the sycro ( new OME shocks
to
> > compliment go westy springs. Got about 4 years from the last set)
> > Next stop is new tyres. Can anyone tell me the largest tyre you can
> > fit in the front spare bay ? Currently I run 215/75/15 and can fit a
> > deflated spare in there. I would prefer 225/75/15 for the next set.
> > Anyone running Cooper ATR's ?
> >
> > Mark
> >
> >
> >
> >
>


Bruce ... just be kind to those 15" BFG ATs ok. When you play Father
Xmas again, I'm claiming first refusal here and now and expect them to
be in good nic, alright?

Cheers.

Ken


--- In Syncro_T3_Australia@yahoogroups.com, Alison & Bruce Black
<royalb@...> wrote:
>
> Ken I was probably out 4WDriving happily on my BFG AT 215/75/15
> tyres!!!!!!!!!!!!! No, he actually only told me of this long standing
> problem recently.
>
> Bruce
>
>
> On 20/10/2008, at 4:09 PM, Ken wrote:
>
> >
> > Gday Bruce and Murray,
> >
> > Bruce, where the heck were you when Murray was here crying out for
> > help
> > with tyre selections .... aarrgghh!
> >
> > Murray, next January at Batemans, you're hereby excused. When we go
> > offroading, we'll have no qualms whatever when you volunteer to stay
> > back and mind the kiddies ok.
> >
> > Cheers.
> >
> > Ken
> >
> > --- In Syncro_T3_Australia@yahoogroups.com, Alison & Bruce Black
> > royalb@ wrote:
> > >
> > > Hello
> > > Unfortunately if you run the Cooper ATR 215/75/15's they
> > > are only Passenger Tyres. If you look at their web-site http://
> > > www.coopertires.com.au/tyres/atr_specs.htm you will see that the
> > > smallest light truck tyres are 235/75/15's.
> > >
> > > A friend of mine had ATR P265/65/17's I think they were on his
Prado
> > > and he had punctures almost every time he went off-road. He would
go
> > > off with other people and he would be the only one with trouble.
> > > Cooper's told him he bought the wrong tyre. He said the Dealer
> > > recommended them. Cooper said they can't control what the dealers
> > > say. Now he has Cooper ST Light Truck tyres on it which is what he
> > > should have had in the first place. So far doing much better.
> > >
> > > Just my thoughts if you want to go off the bitumen. Mind you this
> > > fellow only looks 2wd and the tyres 
> > >
> > > don't look off road and he has driven from India to England and
then
> > > down to Cape Town!!!!!!! They might be Michelin Agilis or
something
> > > similar which are apparently tough.
> > >
> > > Bruce
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > On 20/10/2008, at 7:51 AM, Murray Lee wrote:
> > >
> > > >
> > > > Hi Mark,
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > I currently run Coopers ATR 215/75/15 and have found them very
> > > > quite on the road and so far good offroad â€" although
> > I’ve really
> > > > only done a little snow and dirt road driving on them. They of
> > > > course fit on the spare bay which was one of the reason I went
for
> > > > them but I don’t know about the 225 in regard to that.
> > However, so
> > > > far I’d highly recommend these tyres.
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > Cheers Murray
> > > >
> > > > From: Syncro_T3_Australia@yahoogroups.com
> > > > [mailto:Syncro_T3_Australia@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of
m.mullet
> > > > Sent: Sunday, 19 October 2008 3:32 PM
> > > > To: Syncro_T3_Australia@yahoogroups.com
> > > > Subject: [Syncro_T3_Australia] Tire size
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > Hi,
> > > >
> > > > I've sorted the rebound damping issue on the sycro ( new OME
> > shocks
> > to
> > > > compliment go westy springs. Got about 4 years from the last
set)
> > > > Next stop is new tyres. Can anyone tell me the largest tyre you
> > can
> > > > fit in the front spare bay ? Currently I run 215/75/15 and can
> > fit a
> > > > deflated spare in there. I would prefer 225/75/15 for the next
> > set.
> > > > Anyone running Cooper ATR's ?
> > > >
> > > > Mark
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > >
> >
> >
> >
>
Don't worry Ken they will be totally stuffed.

Bruce


On 20/10/2008, at 8:54 PM, Ken wrote:


Bruce ... just be kind to those 15" BFG ATs ok. When you play Father
Xmas again, I'm claiming first refusal here and now and expect them to
be in good nic, alright?

Cheers.

Ken

--- In Syncro_T3_Australia @yahoogroups. com, Alison & Bruce Black
<royalb@...> wrote:
>
> Ken I was probably out 4WDriving happily on my BFG AT 215/75/15
> tyres!!!!!!! !!!!!! No, he actually only told me of this long standing
> problem recently.
>
> Bruce
>
>
> On 20/10/2008, at 4:09 PM, Ken wrote:
>
> >
> > Gday Bruce and Murray,
> >
> > Bruce, where the heck were you when Murray was here crying out for
> > help
> > with tyre selections .... aarrgghh!
> >
> > Murray, next January at Batemans, you're hereby excused. When we go
> > offroading, we'll have no qualms whatever when you volunteer to stay
> > back and mind the kiddies ok.
> >
> > Cheers.
> >
> > Ken
> >
> > --- In Syncro_T3_Australia @yahoogroups. com, Alison & Bruce Black
> > royalb@ wrote:
> > >
> > > Hello
> > > Unfortunately if you run the Cooper ATR 215/75/15's they
> > > are only Passenger Tyres. If you look at their web-site http://
> > > www.coopertires. com.au/tyres/ atr_specs. htm you will see that the
> > > smallest light truck tyres are 235/75/15's.
> > >
> > > A friend of mine had ATR P265/65/17's I think they were on his
Prado
> > > and he had punctures almost every time he went off-road. He would
go
> > > off with other people and he would be the only one with trouble.
> > > Cooper's told him he bought the wrong tyre. He said the Dealer
> > > recommended them. Cooper said they can't control what the dealers
> > > say. Now he has Cooper ST Light Truck tyres on it which is what he
> > > should have had in the first place. So far doing much better.
> > >
> > > Just my thoughts if you want to go off the bitumen. Mind you this
> > > fellow only looks 2wd and the tyres 
> > >
> > > don't look off road and he has driven from India to England and
then
> > > down to Cape Town!!!!!!! They might be Michelin Agilis or
something
> > > similar which are apparently tough.
> > >
> > > Bruce
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > On 20/10/2008, at 7:51 AM, Murray Lee wrote:
> > >
> > > >
> > > > Hi Mark,
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > I currently run Coopers ATR 215/75/15 and have found them very
> > > > quite on the road and so far good offroad â€" although
> > I’ve really
> > > > only done a little snow and dirt road driving on them. They of
> > > > course fit on the spare bay which was one of the reason I went
for
> > > > them but I don’t know about the 225 in regard to that.
> > However, so
> > > > far I’d highly recommend these tyres.
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > Cheers Murray
> > > >
> > > > From: Syncro_T3_Australia @yahoogroups. com
> > > > [mailto:Syncro_T3_Australia @yahoogroups. com] On Behalf Of
m.mullet
> > > > Sent: Sunday, 19 October 2008 3:32 PM
> > > > To: Syncro_T3_Australia @yahoogroups. com
> > > > Subject: [Syncro_T3_Australi a] Tire size
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > Hi,
> > > >
> > > > I've sorted the rebound damping issue on the sycro ( new OME
> > shocks
> > to
> > > > compliment go westy springs. Got about 4 years from the last
set)
> > > > Next stop is new tyres. Can anyone tell me the largest tyre you
> > can
> > > > fit in the front spare bay ? Currently I run 215/75/15 and can
> > fit a
> > > > deflated spare in there. I would prefer 225/75/15 for the next
> > set.
> > > > Anyone running Cooper ATR's ?
> > > >
> > > > Mark
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > >
> >
> >
> >
>


A couple of thoughts to add to this discussion:

As mentioned, it is possible to alter the existing spare wheel mount or to fabricate a new
one, (in order to fit a larger spare under the front) however these options will ( albeit probably only slightly) decrease the already poor approach angle that on a Syncro.

I am using 215/70 16 BFG's (and am very happy with them) and had to "pull" the front wheels
forward (using the radius rods) to stop the tyres rubbing on the rear of the wheel arches.
These tyres have an almost identical rolling radius/diameter to the 215/75 15 tyres.


One last thing - the Bateman Bay get together is happening, yes?

Cheers,

Andy
Ceduna.
Gday Andy and ALL,

Thanks for the timely reminder about the all important subject of
approach angle. I've also read opinion elsewhere that the syncro could
have done with more, so it's not a good idea giving away even a mm of
what's there.

With Sams GoWesty spare tyre holder, given its compactness, I'm thinking
his available approach angle may be increased, but that may need
checking out for verification.

I remember Sam also bought 16" rims and with the tyres he fitted, the
overall diameter was much the same as my 15" wheels, which at the time,
I hadn't expected would be the case.

Andy, sounds like you may have the answer to my problem .... rubbing on
the rear of the wheel arch. Would it be possible you could go into some
more detail on this radius rods adjustment topic please? .. could help a
few of us here with the same issue.

As far as the Batemans Bay Tour 2009 in January is concerned, our
auspicious leader Rick will no doubt further down the track give us more
details about what's planned, times, meeting place etc., as he did for
the previous Tour.

Meanwhile, Rick is keen to get an indication of numbers of
people/syncros attending to help with preliminary bookings etc., so if
you can help by registering your interest by going to the Syncro Forum
website, click on the "Poll" button on the left-hand side and follow the
prompts to register now please. It's primarily an indication at this
stage, not a cast iron obligation ok. At the moment, there are 10
syncros registered. More than 13 beats Syncro Tour 2007.

If anyone wants to start talking/asking questions about this upcoming
Tour 2009 topic, please feel free, someone probably can help.

Cheers.

Ken




--- In Syncro_T3_Australia@yahoogroups.com, "raredownunder" <rafear@...>
wrote:
>
> A couple of thoughts to add to this discussion:
>
> As mentioned, it is possible to alter the existing spare wheel mount
or to fabricate a new
> one, (in order to fit a larger spare under the front) however these
options will ( albeit probably only slightly) decrease the already poor
approach angle that on a Syncro.
>
> I am using 215/70 16 BFG's (and am very happy with them) and had to
"pull" the front wheels
> forward (using the radius rods) to stop the tyres rubbing on the rear
of the wheel arches.
> These tyres have an almost identical rolling radius/diameter to the
215/75 15 tyres.
>
>
> One last thing - the Bateman Bay get together is happening, yes?
>
> Cheers,
>
> Andy
> Ceduna.
>

G'day  

I took my Syncro into the sand for a bit of a play on the weekend (Big Desert).  It is stock standard on R14 rims.  I was in there with a T3 auto and a Bay window twincab both on 215/75/R15.  The first thing I have to say is that I am continuously impressed with the performance of the Syncro. However I quickly found that on 14 inch rims I bottomed out a lot more that the other two on the bigger rims.  In order to improve the weight balance I removed the spare from the front and put it over the engine.  This improved the ride straight away and I didn’t bottom out as much.  I have to say that many of the 4X4 drives we meet in the trip were amazed that we were able to get where we did.  The Syncro ate up the dunes with ease and put many of the other 4X4 to same (not that this would surprise other Syncro owners). 

 

I have decided to upgrade to the 215/75/R15 before I next got out but am still unsure where the spare wheels should go.  I have read with interest everyone’s comments of last on tyre size and spare tyre location, but am interested in weight distribution front to rear.  I think I read that the syncro has a 50 – 50 weight distribution, is this true? and if so how does the relocation of the spare wheel from under the front affect the overall performance?  Also relocating the spare out past the rear wheels must surly affect the rear end during rough trips.  Has anyone noticed increased suspension ware or any other side effects from the shifting of weight?

Cheers,

 

Michael

 


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Gday Michael,

Obviously the more ground clearance you can achieve, the better chance
you have of not getting stuck. Remember though, as a rough rule of
thumb, depending upon which tyres we're talking about, a 15" tyre over
your present 14" will achieve only an extra 13-15mm clearance, not a lot
but it all helps. It's pretty much agreed by a majority of syncro buffs
the BFG AT 215 75 R15 tyres are de rigeur for the syncro, perhaps the
one exception being for snow. Not a lot of that in Oz. You'll need to
replace 5 rims that have the correct offsets as well so good luck
finding them.

So all up, 5 new 15" tyres, 5 new or secondhand wheel rims, a new rear
tyre carrier fitted, it'd be handy to have 3k in your kick just to be on
the safe side. If you're well connected, got good contacts, you'll
probably have some leftover to fill the 70 litre tank.

In my view, particularly for those such as myself with a fully fitted
out Trakka camper setup, it's all the extra weight we're lugging around
that makes soft sand driving more difficult. So a near empty syncro
would be a breeze and if that's your circumstance, then where you place
the spare probably would be inconsequential to the performance in sand
... you'd be light years ahead of the rest of us who are lugging 2.5
tons or more gross weight. Needless to say, in answer to one of your
questions, lugging around so much weight clearly would have an
accelerated adverse effect on all structural and mechanical components
of our syncros. So if all I had to worry about was the re-location of my
spare and resultant change in weight distribution, heh give me a break
.... it's NOT an issue.

I keep thinking about stripping out a lot of the crap I've been hoarding
onboard over the past 2 years ... aaarrrggghhh!

Cheers Michael and good luck with the mods. You'll love it. Just stay
friendly with your bank manager ok.

Ken


--- In Syncro_T3_Australia@yahoogroups.com, Michael Roberts
<type500@...> wrote:
>
> G'day
> I took my Syncro into the sand for a bit of a play on the weekend (Big
Desert). It is stock standard on R14 rims. I was in there with a T3
auto and a Bay window twincab both on 215/75/R15. The first thing I
have to say is that I am continuously impressed with the performance of
the Syncro. However I quickly found that on 14 inch rims I bottomed out
a lot more that the other two on the bigger rims. In order to improve
the weight balance I removed the spare from the front and put it over
the engine. This improved the ride straight away and I didn't
bottom out as much. I have to say that many of the 4X4 drives we meet
in the trip were amazed that we were able to get where we did. The
Syncro ate up the dunes with ease and put many of the other 4X4 to same
(not that this would surprise other Syncro owners).
>
> I have decided to upgrade to the 215/75/R15 before I next got out but
am still unsure where the spare wheels should go. I have read with
interest everyone's comments of last on tyre size and spare tyre
location, but am interested in weight distribution front to rear. I
think I read that the syncro has a 50 – 50 weight distribution, is
this true? and if so how does the relocation of the spare wheel from
under the front affect the overall performance? Also relocating the
spare out past the rear wheels must surly affect the rear end during
rough trips. Has anyone noticed increased suspension ware or any other
side effects from the shifting of weight?
> Cheers,
>
> Michael
>
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Ken,

Being a FV racer, I am a firm believer in weight being the enemy.  I only carry what I need to at that time.  That being said, I always make sure I’m well prepared when I go off road.  There is nothing worse than braking down in the back of beyond.

 

Cheers,

 


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