I haven't seen any with clamshells (except 2WD). The early syncros that I have seen with the narrow wheels had the spare in the back.
I haven't seen any with clamshells (except 2WD). The early syncros that I have seen with the narrow wheels had the spare in the back.
Francesca,
The ‘clam shell’ carrier was fitted to all 2WD T3’s and, as far as I know, the heavy carrier made from square steel tube was fitted to all T3 Syncros but I have heard that some early Syncros (but probably not those sold in Australia) had the light pressed metal carrier.
I will find a pic of the clam shell and send it on.
(And I do wish that you would switch from US English to real English for your language setting. Every time that I reply to you, it defaults to US English!)
Les
From:
Syncro_T3_Australia@yahoogroups.com [mailto:
Syncro_T3_Australia@yahoogroups.com ] On Behalf Of Francesca Coles
Sent: 01 February 2011 20:26
To: Syncro_T3_Australia@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [Syncro_T3_Australia]
Re: Tyres
Les, now that you mention it, I would describe it as rectangular rather than resembling a clam shell. It has a large rectangular reinforced plate. To be honest, I've never wasted time on the underside of any other Syncro than ours truly (and even then I leave most of the grovelling to Tony). So, sorry if I've caused any confusion; I still have a lot to learn. Why did some come with clamshells and some with rectangular repositories?
On Tue, Feb 1, 2011 at 8:19 PM, Les Harris <leslieharris@optusnet.com.au> wrote:
Francesca,
Do you have the pressed metal ‘clamshell’ or the rectangular reinforced carrier?
Les
From: Syncro_T3_Australia@yahoogroups.com
[mailto:Syncro_T3_Australia@yahoogroups.com]
On Behalf Of Francesca Coles
Sent: 01 February 2011 16:23
Subject: Re: [Syncro_T3_Australia] Re: Tyres
I let him know the good news that the spare miraculously fits underneath in the clam shell - phew!
Francesca.
On Tue, Feb 1, 2011 at 8:34 PM, Les Harris <leslieharris@optusnet.com.au> wrote:
Francesca,
The ‘clam shell’ carrier was fitted to all 2WD T3’s and, as far as I know, the heavy carrier made from square steel tube was fitted to all T3 Syncros but I have heard that some early Syncros (but probably not those sold in Australia) had the light pressed metal carrier.
I will find a pic of the clam shell and send it on.
(And I do wish that you would switch from US English to real English for your language setting. Every time that I reply to you, it defaults to US English!)
Les
From: Syncro_T3_Australia@yahoogroups.com [mailto:Syncro_T3_Australia@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Francesca Coles
Sent: 01 February 2011 20:26
Les, now that you mention it, I would describe it as rectangular rather than resembling a clam shell. It has a large rectangular reinforced plate. To be honest, I've never wasted time on the underside of any other Syncro than ours truly (and even then I leave most of the grovelling to Tony). So, sorry if I've caused any confusion; I still have a lot to learn. Why did some come with clamshells and some with rectangular repositories?
On Tue, Feb 1, 2011 at 8:19 PM, Les Harris <leslieharris@optusnet.com.au> wrote:
Francesca,
Do you have the pressed metal ‘clamshell’ or the rectangular reinforced carrier?
Les
From: Syncro_T3_Australia@yahoogroups.com [mailto:Syncro_T3_Australia@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Francesca Coles
Sent: 01 February 2011 16:23Subject: Re: [Syncro_T3_Australia] Re: Tyres
I let him know the good news that the spare miraculously fits underneath in the clam shell - phew!
Francesca.
I think (from discussion on their forums years ago) a lot of the American Syncro’s came with the clam shell, but they also generally came with the standard (2wd type) 5.5” wheels. Not sure if they upgraded later. I think the Americans mostly only got Campers and Buses (Caravelle style), but not ‘work’ vans. Maybe the Australian ones (especially the Telecom order) were specced for heavier duty work. I know my ex-Telecom van also had extra re-inforcing bars inside the main chassis rails that don’t appear on all Syncro’s.
Brian
From:
Syncro_T3_Australia@yahoogroups.com
[mailto:Syncro_T3_Australia@yahoogroups.com] On
Behalf Of plander@optusnet.com.au
Sent: Tuesday, 1 February 2011
8:32 PM
To: Syncro_T3_Australia@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: Re:
[Syncro_T3_Australia] Re: Tyres
Why did some come with clamshells and some with rectangular repositories?
I haven't seen any with clamshells (except 2WD). The early syncros that I have
seen with the narrow wheels had the spare in the back.
On Tue, Feb 1, 2011 at 3:00 AM, Brian Reed <breed@bigpond.net.au> wrote:
I think (from discussion on their forums years ago) a lot of the American Syncro’s came with the clam shell, but they also generally came with the standard (2wd type) 5.5” wheels. Not sure if they upgraded later. I think the Americans mostly only got Campers and Buses (Caravelle style), but not ‘work’ vans. Maybe the Australian ones (especially the Telecom order) were specced for heavier duty work. I know my ex-Telecom van also had extra re-inforcing bars inside the main chassis rails that don’t appear on all Syncro’s.
Brian
Hi Ken - they are a 75 profile, with a diameter of 688 mm - only marginally larger than the OE tyre. That's why I chose them. Even so, I did notice a decline in hill climbing ability in gave-and-take fire trail cruising, requiring a downchange to second gear up hills that I used to take in third on the old 14" BFG's.
I don't know how you bloke's cope with the bigger diameter tyres and a standard donk.
It would be really interesting, next time we have a group outing, to test various tyre diameters in a hillclimbing comparison.
I remember running out of revs in a chug- chugg - kachugg - oh dear where's the skyhook situation - climbing Limeburner's track with seven people and a dog on board.
Had to reverse all the way back down and try it again. It was a L-O-N-G way down.
The dog had the most sense and jumped out.
Would never have made it with a larger diameter tyre.
Gotta remember that granny gear only equates to second gear on a Range Rover - and thats got twice as many pistons!
[That should stir up a few sleepy heads].
Range Roger Beetle.
To: Syncro_T3_Australia@yahoogroups.com
From: Gullyraker@aol.com
Date: Tue, 1 Feb 2011 07:08:05 -0500
Subject: Re: [Syncro_T3_Australia] Re: Tyres
Hi Ken - they are a 75 profile, with a diameter of 688 mm - only marginally larger than the OE tyre. That's why I chose them. Even so, I did notice a decline in hill climbing ability in gave-and-take fire trail cruising, requiring a downchange to second gear up hills that I used to take in third on the old 14" BFG's.
I don't know how you bloke's cope with the bigger diameter tyres and a standard donk.
It would be really interesting, next time we have a group outing, to test various tyre diameters in a hillclimbing comparison.
I remember running out of revs in a chug- chugg - kachugg - oh dear where's the skyhook situation - climbing Limeburner's track with seven people and a dog on board.
Had to reverse all the way back down and try it again. It was a L-O-N-G way down.
The dog had the most sense and jumped out.
Would never have made it with a larger diameter tyre.
Gotta remember that granny gear only equates to second gear on a Range Rover - and thats got twice as many pistons!
[That should stir up a few sleepy heads].
Range Roger Beetle.
The originals were not LTs.
> Scott Daniel - Turbovans <ScottDaniel@turbovans.com> wrote:
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> Probably basically still applies,
> but "P" tires are passenger car tires of course, verbotten on T3's .
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>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: Les Harris
> To: Syncro_T3_Australia@yahoogroups.com
> Sent: Wednesday, January 26, 2011 6:22 PM
> Subject: RE: RE: [Syncro_T3_Australia] Tyres
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> The Tyre and Rim Association has the force of law and is accepted by
> the Federal Government as the standard for new and modified vehicles.
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> The correct load rating is also a legal requirement so, as several
> members have said, the load rating is the final arbiter of what can be
> used after the TRA specifications for size have been met. Note that
> the rim diameter is not relevant, only the width.
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> Les
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Let's do a side-by-side comparison of solid shafts vs. vcu's as well!
Roger.
Sure, why not.
Actually the comparison tests I've always been curious about is a solid shaft v VC in reverse up a grassy slope, first with rear diflock disengaged, then second test, engaged. Probably though, differing tyres & van weights would compromise the results.
Still, it'd be a fun thing to try.
I remember the campground at Shallow Crossing had such a grassy slope ... would have been perfect.
Cheers.
Ken
-----Original Message-----
From: <Gullyraker@aol.com>
Sent: Thursday, 3 February 2011 9:49 AM
To: Syncro_T3_Australia@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [Syncro_T3_Australia] Re: Tyres
Hey Ken -
Let's do a side-by-side comparison of solid shafts vs. vcu's as well!
Roger.
Roger.
Cheers
Roger
--- On Tue, 1/2/11, Francesca Coles <fcoles6@gmail.com> wrote:
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Thanks for your advice and encouragement. It's nice to know that we
can rely on you to add your inimitable brand of humour to this forum
(that tractor footage was a doozy).
As to my persistence over the rim and tyre issue - well, our Syncros
push us to such extremes. Theo and Tony and I had a good laugh the
other day about how we have become slaves to our beasts. We definitely
decided it is a love/hate relationship, but that they've got their
claws into us because we've spent so much on them, one way or another,
that we can't afford to part with them! Better make the most of them
then, eh? Until the divorce, that is...
Francesca.
On 05/02/2011, Roger Bell <bellrmit@yahoo.com.au> wrote:
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> Dear Francisca,
> I think we have all admired the way you first organised the import of
> appropriate wheels and then generated much useful debate on the
> respective merits of different spare tyre locations and tyre choice.
> For interest could I add a couple of photos completing the alternatives
> namely front,rear and roof. I personally feel for safety and keeping the
> weight as low as possible makes the factory under front location the
> ideal IF you can accomodate it there although I take Les's point that it
> could have had a rather damp outcome for me if for example I had punctured a
> tyre and had to extract the spare at a crucial time on a recent causeway
> crossing. Checking the inflation level and lifting the weight of the wheel
> and tyres also becomes a problem for higher locations.
> I'm also attaching photos of my wheel centre and wheelnuts with and without
> the factory adornments. Cafe Van seem to offer a satisfactory alternative
> as I believe the originals were not only very expensive but are no longer
> available.
> Finally if despite your best efforts you find that your new wheels and tyres
> are not giving the desired level of traction, the following link offers an
> alternative that would certainly make you stand out amongst the Toorak
> Tractors. Group purchase anyone?
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> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=o--yXlAdt8M
> Cheers
> Roger
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> --- On Tue, 1/2/11, Francesca Coles <fcoles6@gmail.com> wrote:
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> From: Francesca Coles <fcoles6@gmail.com>
> Subject: Re: [Syncro_T3_Australia] Re: Tyres
> To: Syncro_T3_Australia@yahoogroups.com
> Received: Tuesday, 1 February, 2011, 1:23 PM
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> Hi,
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> We had our Firestone Destination ATs fitted today. Rims and tyres look very
> good and drives well, at least as far as I've been able to test them out so
> far, driving short distances on suburban streets at 60 km/h. As I had Theo
> hot on my heels today, I let him know the good news that the spare
> miraculously fits underneath in the clam shell - phew! I thought others of
> you may wish to know this piece of info too. I was a wee bit disappointed
> that I didn't need a ladder to climb up into the cab exactly, but new
> springs would make all the difference. I may look into those Van Cafe mini
> hub caps as it looks a bit 'agricultural' as is.
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> Thanks again for all the advice,
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> Francesca.
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> On Sun, Jan 30, 2011 at 5:20 PM, <Gullyraker@aol.com> wrote:
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> No wurries Theo.
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> 205 section tyres have become a bit of a dinosaur and will be harder and
> harder to find as time goes by. As other members of the group have
> suggested, it's probably a good idea to buy six and rotate them, so that you
> will still have a spare if you trash one.
>
> As fashions change, 15" AT LT tyres are gradually going the way of their
> 14" ancestors. Next thing is we will all be importing 16" rims just to keep
> our vans on the road.
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> Or maybe we'll be organising a group purchase of imported tyres next!
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> Cheers, Roger Beetle.
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I think all members should add a single line to their CV "I own a T3 Syncro"
This simple statement shows that you can obviously climb Everest, clean up singlehanded after Cyclone Yasi, solve the problems of the Middle East and perhaps even understand women!
Roger
--- On Sat, 5/2/11, Francesca Coles <fcoles6@gmail.com> wrote:
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This would satisfy Francesca’s desire to need a ladder for entry and egress but the Centre of Gravity might be just a wee bit adverse. The demo was conducted on relatively flat ground for good reason.
But there is an upside – you would NEVER have to worry about supermarket car park damage!!
Les
From:
Syncro_T3_Australia@yahoogroups.com [mailto:
Syncro_T3_Australia@yahoogroups.com ] On Behalf Of Roger Bell
Sent: 05 February 2011 03:48
To: Syncro_T3_Australia@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [Syncro_T3_Australia]
Re: Tyres
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Everest?
Piece of cake!
Yasi?
That might take a bit longer.
Understand women?
Roger, you have really lost the plot this time!!!!!
Les
From:
Syncro_T3_Australia@yahoogroups.com [mailto:
Syncro_T3_Australia@yahoogroups.com ] On Behalf Of Roger Bell
Sent: 05 February 2011 10:14
To: Syncro_T3_Australia@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [Syncro_T3_Australia]
Re: Tyres
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I think all members should add a single line to their CV "I own a T3 Syncro" This simple statement shows that you can obviously climb Everest, clean up singlehanded after Cyclone Yasi, solve the problems of the Middle East and perhaps even understand women!
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--- In Syncro_T3_Australia@yahoogroups.com, "Les Harris" <leslieharris@...> wrote:
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> Everest?
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> Piece of cake!
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> Yasi?
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> That might take a bit longer.
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> Understand women?
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> Roger, you have really lost the plot this time!!!!!
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> Les
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> From: Syncro_T3_Australia@yahoogroups.com
> [mailto:Syncro_T3_Australia@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Roger Bell
> Sent: 05 February 2011 10:14
> To: Syncro_T3_Australia@yahoogroups.com
> Subject: Re: [Syncro_T3_Australia] Re: Tyres
>
>
>
>
>
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> I think all members should add a single line to their CV "I own a T3 Syncro"
>
> This simple statement shows that you can obviously climb Everest, clean up
> singlehanded after Cyclone Yasi, solve the problems of the Middle East and
> perhaps even understand women!
>
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>
Hi Francesca and others involved in the wheel/tyre thread. Tyres and rims are on and looking great. Makes the car look so much better. Because of the extra height the wheels now fill the space a bit more. Also the tyres are much quieter and Hart could not help himself, measured the tread at 11 mm with one of his fancy gauges. I think he would love a set now he has seen them on. I was going to wait for a photo until I got the wheel caps but Hart took a nice one as I was heading off for a paddle on Saturday so here it is.
Will post another one when the caps are on. Have a story about my wheel carrier but will do a separate post as it is interesting what previous owners do!!!!
Cheers, Peter from a much cooler Port (was 35 today, now about 21!!!)

On 6 February 2011 21:39, Peter Coe <peter@coeconsult.com.au> wrote:Hi Francesca and others involved in the wheel/tyre thread. Tyres and rims are on and looking great. Makes the car look so much better. Because of the extra height the wheels now fill the space a bit more. Also the tyres are much quieter and Hart could not help himself, measured the tread at 11 mm with one of his fancy gauges. I think he would love a set now he has seen them on. I was going to wait for a photo until I got the wheel caps but Hart took a nice one as I was heading off for a paddle on Saturday so here it is.
Will post another one when the caps are on. Have a story about my wheel carrier but will do a separate post as it is interesting what previous owners do!!!!
Cheers, Peter from a much cooler Port (was 35 today, now about 21!!!)
----- Original Message -----From: Peter CoeSent: Sunday, February 06, 2011 9:39 PMSubject: RE: [Syncro_T3_Australia] Re: TyresHi Francesca and others involved in the wheel/tyre thread. Tyres and rims are on and looking great. Makes the car look so much better. Because of the extra height the wheels now fill the space a bit more. Also the tyres are much quieter and Hart could not help himself, measured the tread at 11 mm with one of his fancy gauges. I think he would love a set now he has seen them on. I was going to wait for a photo until I got the wheel caps but Hart took a nice one as I was heading off for a paddle on Saturday so here it is.
Will post another one when the caps are on. Have a story about my wheel carrier but will do a separate post as it is interesting what previous owners do!!!!
Cheers, Peter from a much cooler Port (was 35 today, now about 21!!!)