Water Pump

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A few weeks ago,I read threads about expired water pumps,that a few members may have had.Has anyone replaced a water pump recently on their Syncro.
I am replacing mine on Monday.Since returning from my Christmas holiday mine leaks.It leaks from behind the pulley,the shaft looks like it has come outwards a few mm.
I have always been aware of over tightening the belt,and also run a toothed belt.
It is the original pump,and my engine now has done 190 k.I think this has been a good run from the original pump.
I have replaced water pumps on t3s before,and did,remove the crank pulley to do this.
On a Syncro, the engine looks like it may be positioned further back in the engine bay,or is it just the stone guards that make it appear this way???
I have been told by one group member that you can not remove the crank pulley/s with the engine in the car.Can someone else confirm this?Can anyone tell me why you cant?
From my observations it looks like you can remove the stone guards/engine tray by undoing some screws and two bolts.To me it looks like you could pull the guard/tray back far enough to get the pulley off.
Has anyone taken this on?
It looks like you could replace the pump,with some persiverence without taking the pulley off,but,I think it would be easy with it removed.
My question to all is,Can the crankshaft pulleys be removed in car?if not,Why not?
Has anyone recently replaced their pump with engine still in car?
It looks either way, a real fun job,so cant wait to tackle it on my only day off!
Does the group think it is neccesary to remove pulleys to do this job?
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Ben,
A few links may glean a bit ....
 
http://www.benplace.com/water_pump.htm
 
http://volksweb.relitech.com/19wpump.htm
 
Ken

 
To: Syncro_T3_Australia@yahoogroups.com
From: bencroft96@yahoo.com
Date: Thu, 4 Feb 2010 11:37:44 +0000
Subject: [Syncro_T3_Australia] Water Pump

 
A few weeks ago,I read threads about expired water pumps,that a few members may have had.Has anyone replaced a water pump recently on their Syncro.
I am replacing mine on Monday.Since returning from my Christmas holiday mine leaks.It leaks from behind the pulley,the shaft looks like it has come outwards a few mm.
I have always been aware of over tightening the belt,and also run a toothed belt.
It is the original pump,and my engine now has done 190 k.I think this has been a good run from the original pump.
I have replaced water pumps on t3s before,and did,remove the crank pulley to do this.
On a Syncro, the engine looks like it may be positioned further back in the engine bay,or is it just the stone guards that make it appear this way???
I have been told by one group member that you can not remove the crank pulley/s with the engine in the car.Can someone else confirm this?Can anyone tell me why you cant?
From my observations it looks like you can remove the stone guards/engine tray by undoing some screws and two bolts.To me it looks like you could pull the guard/tray back far enough to get the pulley off.
Has anyone taken this on?
It looks like you could replace the pump,with some persiverence without taking the pulley off,but,I think it would be easy with it removed.
My question to all is,Can the crankshaft pulleys be removed in car?if not,Why not?
Has anyone recently replaced their pump with engine still in car?
It looks either way, a real fun job,so cant wait to tackle it on my only day off!
Does the group think it is neccesary to remove pulleys to do this job?



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The engine in a syncro isn't further back in the body, compared to a 2WD , it's lower.
that might be the 'optical illusion' you are noticing.
 
it's a fiddly job, but the w. pump most deffenitely can be changed, with crank pulley on.
As far as I know, the only way to get the crank pulley off is to lower the engine at the rear,
get the muffler and muffler heat shield out of the way, then remove pulley.
 
getting pulley off without doing that ...is 'possible' I'm sure, but not easy.
 
I've repalced many dozens of vanagon and syncro water pumps, with engine in the car. Never that easy. Syncro is probably a little harder than 2WD vans.
I like what one guy said to expain why it's so difficult :
"Volkswagon gave their  engineers 30 days to come up with a watercooled version of their air-cooled oppossed engine, and this is what they came up with."
 
love it !    :-)
 
a tip.......the two allen screws on the pipe on the bottom of the water pump, just left of the crank pulley.
the inner one .......if that thing is stuck, or the allen hole stripped out .....it can be awful. I have spent over an hour on just that one screw a time or two.
when I put those back together, I put in a hex head screw. I manage to find a screw of the right thread - 8 X 1.25 mm but with a smaller hex head screw.  Somehow in my collection of stuff  I have ones with a 10mm hex head.  Those are very easy to get out next time.
 
oh, a caution ... a 'gotcha' if you're not careful. The w. pump pulley will fit on either way, but only one way has proper belt alignment with its corresponding groove on the crank pulley. It's not impossible to scrfew  up and get that pulley on reversed, so belt alignment is off.  So watch that. Usually you can tell which side of the pulley has been against the w. pump pulley .....but do watch out to not make this mistake. 
have fun !
Scott
 
----- Original Message -----
From: bencroft96
Sent: Thursday, February 04, 2010 3:37 AM
Subject: [Syncro_T3_Australia] Water Pump

 

A few weeks ago,I read threads about expired water pumps,that a few members may have had.Has anyone replaced a water pump recently on their Syncro.
I am replacing mine on Monday.Since returning from my Christmas holiday mine leaks.It leaks from behind the pulley,the shaft looks like it has come outwards a few mm.
I have always been aware of over tightening the belt,and also run a toothed belt.
It is the original pump,and my engine now has done 190 k.I think this has been a good run from the original pump.
I have replaced water pumps on t3s before,and did,remove the crank pulley to do this.
On a Syncro, the engine looks like it may be positioned further back in the engine bay,or is it just the stone guards that make it appear this way???
I have been told by one group member that you can not remove the crank pulley/s with the engine in the car.Can someone else confirm this?Can anyone tell me why you cant?
From my observations it looks like you can remove the stone guards/engine tray by undoing some screws and two bolts.To me it looks like you could pull the guard/tray back far enough to get the pulley off.
Has anyone taken this on?
It looks like you could replace the pump,with some persiverence without taking the pulley off,but,I think it would be easy with it removed.
My question to all is,Can the crankshaft pulleys be removed in car?if not,Why not?
Has anyone recently replaced their pump with engine still in car?
It looks either way, a real fun job,so cant wait to tackle it on my only day off!
Does the group think it is neccesary to remove pulleys to do this job?

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Mine has about 170,000kms and I can see the first sealing ring just starting to "pop" out. My question is to Aus members, have you bought a water pump recently if so where and how much. Greg

--- In Syncro_T3_Australia@yahoogroups.com, "bencroft96" <bencroft96@...> wrote:
>
> A few weeks ago,I read threads about expired water pumps,that a few members may have had.Has anyone replaced a water pump recently on their Syncro.
> I am replacing mine on Monday.Since returning from my Christmas holiday mine leaks.It leaks from behind the pulley,the shaft looks like it has come outwards a few mm.
> I have always been aware of over tightening the belt,and also run a toothed belt.
> It is the original pump,and my engine now has done 190 k.I think this has been a good run from the original pump.
> I have replaced water pumps on t3s before,and did,remove the crank pulley to do this.
> On a Syncro, the engine looks like it may be positioned further back in the engine bay,or is it just the stone guards that make it appear this way???
> I have been told by one group member that you can not remove the crank pulley/s with the engine in the car.Can someone else confirm this?Can anyone tell me why you cant?
> From my observations it looks like you can remove the stone guards/engine tray by undoing some screws and two bolts.To me it looks like you could pull the guard/tray back far enough to get the pulley off.
> Has anyone taken this on?
> It looks like you could replace the pump,with some persiverence without taking the pulley off,but,I think it would be easy with it removed.
> My question to all is,Can the crankshaft pulleys be removed in car?if not,Why not?
> Has anyone recently replaced their pump with engine still in car?
> It looks either way, a real fun job,so cant wait to tackle it on my only day off!
> Does the group think it is neccesary to remove pulleys to do this job?
>
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Did mine about two weeks ago,and removed crank pulley by just bending back the tinware just enough to get a socket in .After it was loose it came off easily.It was just a bit fiddly putting it back it with the positioning of the key thinggy (cant remember its name)It made a difficult job much easier and I could be more thorough with my work.
Hope this helps ,cheers Eddie.
--- In Syncro_T3_Australia@yahoogroups.com, "bencroft96" <bencroft96@...> wrote:
>
> A few weeks ago,I read threads about expired water pumps,that a few members may have had.Has anyone replaced a water pump recently on their Syncro.
> I am replacing mine on Monday.Since returning from my Christmas holiday mine leaks.It leaks from behind the pulley,the shaft looks like it has come outwards a few mm.
> I have always been aware of over tightening the belt,and also run a toothed belt.
> It is the original pump,and my engine now has done 190 k.I think this has been a good run from the original pump.
> I have replaced water pumps on t3s before,and did,remove the crank pulley to do this.
> On a Syncro, the engine looks like it may be positioned further back in the engine bay,or is it just the stone guards that make it appear this way???
> I have been told by one group member that you can not remove the crank pulley/s with the engine in the car.Can someone else confirm this?Can anyone tell me why you cant?
> From my observations it looks like you can remove the stone guards/engine tray by undoing some screws and two bolts.To me it looks like you could pull the guard/tray back far enough to get the pulley off.
> Has anyone taken this on?
> It looks like you could replace the pump,with some persiverence without taking the pulley off,but,I think it would be easy with it removed.
> My question to all is,Can the crankshaft pulleys be removed in car?if not,Why not?
> Has anyone recently replaced their pump with engine still in car?
> It looks either way, a real fun job,so cant wait to tackle it on my only day off!
> Does the group think it is neccesary to remove pulleys to do this job?
>
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On Fri, Feb 5, 2010 at 2:34 PM, bergodaz <bergodaz@ozemail.com.au> wrote:
Did mine about two weeks ago,and removed crank pulley by just bending back the tinware just enough to get a socket in .After it was loose it came off easily.It was just a bit fiddly putting it back it with the positioning of the key thinggy (cant remember its name)It made a difficult job much easier and I could be more thorough with my work.
Hope this helps ,cheers Eddie.

I don't know you call them in OZ. Might the same as us in the US ;-).
'Woodruff Key"
Here's a nice description:
--
BenT
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A question has arisen on another Yahoo group about attachments.  This led me to look at the settings on our group and I find that Yahoo has made more changes to attachments.  They never tell the group owners about this and the first we know about it is when something changes or something stops working. 

This reply is actually a test to see what is happening after their last series of changes.  I am adding attachments to try to track what is happening.

I have inserted a drawing of a woodruff key above and I want to see if this comes through. 

Separately, I have used the Attach function in the email server, which is Outlook in my case, to attach a different picture.

Les

 

From: Syncro_T3_Australia@yahoogroups.com [mailto: Syncro_T3_Australia@yahoogroups.com ] On Behalf Of BenT Syncro
Sent: 06 February 2010 10:36
To: Syncro_T3_Australia@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [Syncro_T3_Australia] Re: Water Pump

 

 

 

On Fri, Feb 5, 2010 at 2:34 PM, bergodaz <bergodaz@ozemail. com.au> wrote:

Did mine about two weeks ago,and removed crank pulley by just bending back the tinware just enough to get a socket in .After it was loose it came off easily.It was just a bit fiddly putting it back it with the positioning of the key thinggy (cant remember its name)It made a difficult job much easier and I could be more thorough with my work.
Hope this helps ,cheers Eddie.

 

I don't know you call them in OZ. Might the same as us in the US ;-).

 

'Woodruff Key"

 

Here's a nice description:

 

 

 

--
BenT

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Les,
Whats missing again are pic attachments showing in posts when viewed on the forum page ... this is how it once was for a long time then later as if by magic, pic attachments started to be viewable there. Now they are not again.
 
Both your attachments came through fine to, in my case, my hotmail account.
Ken
 
To: Syncro_T3_Australia@yahoogroups.com
From: leslieharris@optusnet.com.au
Date: Sat, 6 Feb 2010 13:05:24 +1100
Subject: RE: [Syncro_T3_Australia] Re: Water Pump

A question has arisen on another Yahoo group about attachments.  This led me to look at the settings on our group and I find that Yahoo has made more changes to attachments.  They never tell the group owners about this and the first we know about it is when something changes or something stops working. 

This reply is actually a test to see what is happening after their last series of changes.  I am adding attachments to try to track what is happening.

I have inserted a drawing of a woodruff key above and I want to see if this comes through. 

Separately, I have used the Attach function in the email server, which is Outlook in my case, to attach a different picture.

Les

 

From: Syncro_T3_Australia@yahoogroups.com [mailto:Syncro_T3_Australia@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of BenT Syncro
Sent: 06 February 2010 10:36
To: Syncro_T3_Australia@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [Syncro_T3_Australia] Re: Water Pump

 

 

 

On Fri, Feb 5, 2010 at 2:34 PM, bergodaz <bergodaz@ozemail. com.au> wrote:

Did mine about two weeks ago,and removed crank pulley by just bending back the tinware just enough to get a socket in .After it was loose it came off easily.It was just a bit fiddly putting it back it with the positioning of the key thinggy (cant remember its name)It made a difficult job much easier and I could be more thorough with my work.
Hope this helps ,cheers Eddie.

 

I don't know you call them in OZ. Might the same as us in the US ;-).

 

'Woodruff Key"

 

Here's a nice description:

 

 

 

--
BenT


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Ken,

Yes, and this is where the discussion on the other group started – the appearance and disappearance of functions.  In this case, it is the non-access to attachments for anyone who logs into the group to read the messages.  There is never any notification or explanation from Yahoo so we have no idea why changes are made.  Yahoo makes changes but never tells the group owner about them.  We only learn of them after a function appears or disappears without warning.

Les

 

From: Syncro_T3_Australia@yahoogroups.com [mailto: Syncro_T3_Australia@yahoogroups.com ] On Behalf Of Ken Garratt
Sent: 06 February 2010 13:21
To: Syncro _T3_Australia forum
Subject: RE: [Syncro_T3_Australia] Re: Water Pump

 

Les,
What’s missing again are pic attachments showing in posts when viewed on the forum page ... this is how it once was for a long time then later as if by magic, pic attachments started to be viewable there. Now they are not again.
 
Both your attachments came through fine to, in my case, my hotmail account.
Ken
 

To: Syncro_T3_Australia @yahoogroups. com
From: leslieharris@ optusnet. com.au
Date: Sat, 6 Feb 2010 13:05:24 +1100
Subject: RE: [Syncro_T3_Australi a] Re: Water Pump

A question has arisen on another Yahoo group about attachments.  This led me to look at the settings on our group and I find that Yahoo has made more changes to attachments.  They never tell the group owners about this and the first we know about it is when something changes or something stops working. 

This reply is actually a test to see what is happening after their last series of changes.  I am adding attachments to try to track what is happening.

I have inserted a drawing of a woodruff key above and I want to see if this comes through. 

Separately, I have used the Attach function in the email server, which is Outlook in my case, to attach a different picture.

Les

 

From: Syncro_T3_Australia @yahoogroups. com [mailto: Syncro_ T3_Australia@ yahoogroups. com ] On Behalf Of BenT Syncro
Sent: 06 February 2010 10:36
To: Syncro_T3_Australia @yahoogroups. com
Subject: Re: [Syncro_T3_Australi a] Re: Water Pump

 

 

 

On Fri, Feb 5, 2010 at 2:34 PM, bergodaz <bergodaz@ozemail. com.au> wrote:

Did mine about two weeks ago,and removed crank pulley by just bending back the tinware just enough to get a socket in .After it was loose it came off easily.It was just a bit fiddly putting it back it with the positioning of the key thinggy (cant remember its name)It made a difficult job much easier and I could be more thorough with my work.
Hope this helps ,cheers Eddie.

 

I don't know you call them in OZ. Might the same as us in the US ;-).

 

'Woodruff Key"

 

Here's a nice description:

 

 

 

--
BenT

 

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Les,
Talking about your broken boss, please see attached pic of my ac mounting position.
 
I would have thought if ever there was a boss in jeopardy, it would be the more forward one than your broken rear boss. This other boss is fully cantilevered, hit it with something and it'd snap off easily. As well, a loosening ac bracket that starts vibrating like crazy would most likely cause it to shear off. I'm intrigued by that particular boss design construction.
Ken
 
 
 
To: Syncro_T3_Australia@yahoogroups.com
From: leslieharris@optusnet.com.au
Date: Sat, 6 Feb 2010 13:28:52 +1100
Subject: RE: [Syncro_T3_Australia] Re: Water Pump

 

Ken,

Yes, and this is where the discussion on the other group started – the appearance and disappearance of functions.  In this case, it is the non-access to attachments for anyone who logs into the group to read the messages.  There is never any notification or explanation from Yahoo so we have no idea why changes are made.  Yahoo makes changes but never tells the group owner about them.  We only learn of them after a function appears or disappears without warning.

Les

 

From: Syncro_T3_Australia @yahoogroups. com [mailto:Syncro_T3_Australia @yahoogroups. com] On Behalf Of Ken Garratt
Sent: 06 February 2010 13:21
To: Syncro _T3_Australia forum
Subject: RE: [Syncro_T3_Australi a] Re: Water Pump

 

Les,
What’s missing again are pic attachments showing in posts when viewed on the forum page ... this is how it once was for a long time then later as if by magic, pic attachments started to be viewable there. Now they are not again.
 
Both your attachments came through fine to, in my case, my hotmail account.
Ken
 

To: Syncro_T3_Australia @yahoogroups. com
From: leslieharris@ optusnet. com.au
Date: Sat, 6 Feb 2010 13:05:24 +1100
Subject: RE: [Syncro_T3_Australi a] Re: Water Pump

A question has arisen on another Yahoo group about attachments.  This led me to look at the settings on our group and I find that Yahoo has made more changes to attachments.  They never tell the group owners about this and the first we know about it is when something changes or something stops working. 

This reply is actually a test to see what is happening after their last series of changes.  I am adding attachments to try to track what is happening.

I have inserted a drawing of a woodruff key above and I want to see if this comes through. 

Separately, I have used the Attach function in the email server, which is Outlook in my case, to attach a different picture.

Les

 

From: Syncro_T3_Australia @yahoogroups. com [mailto:Syncro_ T3_Australia@ yahoogroups. com] On Behalf Of BenT Syncro
Sent: 06 February 2010 10:36
To: Syncro_T3_Australia @yahoogroups. com
Subject: Re: [Syncro_T3_Australi a] Re: Water Pump

 

 

 

On Fri, Feb 5, 2010 at 2:34 PM, bergodaz <bergodaz@ozemail. com.au> wrote:

Did mine about two weeks ago,and removed crank pulley by just bending back the tinware just enough to get a socket in .After it was loose it came off easily.It was just a bit fiddly putting it back it with the positioning of the key thinggy (cant remember its name)It made a difficult job much easier and I could be more thorough with my work.
Hope this helps ,cheers Eddie.

 

I don't know you call them in OZ. Might the same as us in the US ;-).

 

'Woodruff Key"

 

Here's a nice description:

 

 

 

--
BenT

 

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Ken,

Viewed from on top, it looks like a cantilever.  If you take a thin ruler and slide it underneath, you will find that it is sitting on a full length web that goes to within about 12 mm of the hole centre.  This is standard engineering practice. 

The failure of the rear boss is probably a function of the truly agricultural Prestige bracket in the first place.  The next time I go out to the workshop, I will take it with me and measure the relative position of the mounting points of the Prestige bracket to see how bad it is.  Add to this the fact that the contact points were not flat (welds projecting into the contact area) and it becomes the worst case scenario.

Les

 

From: Syncro_T3_Australia@yahoogroups.com [mailto: Syncro_T3_Australia@yahoogroups.com ] On Behalf Of Ken Garratt
Sent: 06 February 2010 13:52
To: Syncro _T3_Australia forum
Subject: RE: [Syncro_T3_Australia] Re: Water Pump

 

Les,
Talking about your broken boss, please see attached pic of my ac mounting position.
 
I would have thought if ever there was a boss in jeopardy, it would be the more forward one than your broken rear boss. This other boss is fully cantilevered, hit it with something and it'd snap off easily. As well, a loosening ac bracket that starts vibrating like crazy would most likely cause it to shear off. I'm intrigued by that particular boss design construction.
Ken
 
 
 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

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Les,
You are spot on. I should have eyeballed closer underneath. What threw me was that I originally had that cable sneaking through underneath at the outer end near the bolt so I figured the whole thing was cantilevered. I re-routed the cable as you can see to the right to raise it a tad off the surface of the case ... it gets very hot, doesn't do copper cables much good at all in the long term. I've already repaired that one ... goes to the oil temp switch.
 
Anyone got a few lazy hours, may I suggest it's worthwhile checking ALL the copper wire cables running hither and thither on and around the engine block/engine bay components and see about raising/suspending them all OFF the very hot engine casing/hot components surfaces using say ... zip ties.
Ken
 

 
To: Syncro_T3_Australia@yahoogroups.com
From: leslieharris@optusnet.com.au
Date: Sat, 6 Feb 2010 14:26:21 +1100
Subject: RE: [Syncro_T3_Australia] Re: Water Pump

 

Ken,

Viewed from on top, it looks like a cantilever.  If you take a thin ruler and slide it underneath, you will find that it is sitting on a full length web that goes to within about 12 mm of the hole centre.  This is standard engineering practice. 

The failure of the rear boss is probably a function of the truly agricultural Prestige bracket in the first place.  The next time I go out to the workshop, I will take it with me and measure the relative position of the mounting points of the Prestige bracket to see how bad it is.  Add to this the fact that the contact points were not flat (welds projecting into the contact area) and it becomes the worst case scenario.

Les

 

From: Syncro_T3_Australia @yahoogroups. com [mailto:Syncro_T3_Australia @yahoogroups. com] On Behalf Of Ken Garratt
Sent: 06 February 2010 13:52
To: Syncro _T3_Australia forum
Subject: RE: [Syncro_T3_Australi a] Re: Water Pump

 

Les,
Talking about your broken boss, please see attached pic of my ac mounting position.
 
I would have thought if ever there was a boss in jeopardy, it would be the more forward one than your broken rear boss. This other boss is fully cantilevered, hit it with something and it'd snap off easily. As well, a loosening ac bracket that starts vibrating like crazy would most likely cause it to shear off. I'm intrigued by that particular boss design construction.
Ken
 
 
 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 



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Greg,Tooleys in Sydney have German water Pumps.They are about $100 + gst.

--- In Syncro_T3_Australia@yahoogroups.com, "gregespo73" <gregespo73@...> wrote:
>
> Mine has about 170,000kms and I can see the first sealing ring just starting to "pop" out. My question is to Aus members, have you bought a water pump recently if so where and how much. Greg
>
> --- In Syncro_T3_Australia@yahoogroups.com, "bencroft96" <bencroft96@> wrote:
> >
> > A few weeks ago,I read threads about expired water pumps,that a few members may have had.Has anyone replaced a water pump recently on their Syncro.
> > I am replacing mine on Monday.Since returning from my Christmas holiday mine leaks.It leaks from behind the pulley,the shaft looks like it has come outwards a few mm.
> > I have always been aware of over tightening the belt,and also run a toothed belt.
> > It is the original pump,and my engine now has done 190 k.I think this has been a good run from the original pump.
> > I have replaced water pumps on t3s before,and did,remove the crank pulley to do this.
> > On a Syncro, the engine looks like it may be positioned further back in the engine bay,or is it just the stone guards that make it appear this way???
> > I have been told by one group member that you can not remove the crank pulley/s with the engine in the car.Can someone else confirm this?Can anyone tell me why you cant?
> > From my observations it looks like you can remove the stone guards/engine tray by undoing some screws and two bolts.To me it looks like you could pull the guard/tray back far enough to get the pulley off.
> > Has anyone taken this on?
> > It looks like you could replace the pump,with some persiverence without taking the pulley off,but,I think it would be easy with it removed.
> > My question to all is,Can the crankshaft pulleys be removed in car?if not,Why not?
> > Has anyone recently replaced their pump with engine still in car?
> > It looks either way, a real fun job,so cant wait to tackle it on my only day off!
> > Does the group think it is neccesary to remove pulleys to do this job?
> >
>
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Replaced my water pump today.Great job,yeah right.Did not remove my crankshaft pulley as the bolt was to tight possibly loctited in.Tried big bars with pipe on them,in gear and brakes on,no go.If I was to do it again,and could get the crank bolt undone I would definatley slide the pulley back as it would be alot easier with it slid back or removed altogether.All in all not a job that you would want to do on the side of the road,so I would recomend if your pump is old,replace it if you are planning a big trip.

--- In Syncro_T3_Australia@yahoogroups.com, "bencroft96" <bencroft96@...> wrote:
>
> Greg,Tooleys in Sydney have German water Pumps.They are about $100 + gst.
>
> --- In Syncro_T3_Australia@yahoogroups.com, "gregespo73" <gregespo73@> wrote:
> >
> > Mine has about 170,000kms and I can see the first sealing ring just starting to "pop" out. My question is to Aus members, have you bought a water pump recently if so where and how much. Greg
> >
> > --- In Syncro_T3_Australia@yahoogroups.com, "bencroft96" <bencroft96@> wrote:
> > >
> > > A few weeks ago,I read threads about expired water pumps,that a few members may have had.Has anyone replaced a water pump recently on their Syncro.
> > > I am replacing mine on Monday.Since returning from my Christmas holiday mine leaks.It leaks from behind the pulley,the shaft looks like it has come outwards a few mm.
> > > I have always been aware of over tightening the belt,and also run a toothed belt.
> > > It is the original pump,and my engine now has done 190 k.I think this has been a good run from the original pump.
> > > I have replaced water pumps on t3s before,and did,remove the crank pulley to do this.
> > > On a Syncro, the engine looks like it may be positioned further back in the engine bay,or is it just the stone guards that make it appear this way???
> > > I have been told by one group member that you can not remove the crank pulley/s with the engine in the car.Can someone else confirm this?Can anyone tell me why you cant?
> > > From my observations it looks like you can remove the stone guards/engine tray by undoing some screws and two bolts.To me it looks like you could pull the guard/tray back far enough to get the pulley off.
> > > Has anyone taken this on?
> > > It looks like you could replace the pump,with some persiverence without taking the pulley off,but,I think it would be easy with it removed.
> > > My question to all is,Can the crankshaft pulleys be removed in car?if not,Why not?
> > > Has anyone recently replaced their pump with engine still in car?
> > > It looks either way, a real fun job,so cant wait to tackle it on my only day off!
> > > Does the group think it is neccesary to remove pulleys to do this job?
> > >
> >
>
15
Well done Ben.
 
At least you're back on the road now?
 
 
----- Original Message -----
From: bencroft96
Sent: Monday, February 08, 2010 4:54 PM
Subject: [Syncro_T3_Australia] Re: Water Pump

 

Replaced my water pump today.Great job,yeah right.Did not remove my crankshaft pulley as the bolt was to tight possibly loctited in.Tried big bars with pipe on them,in gear and brakes on,no go.If I was to do it again,and could get the crank bolt undone I would definatley slide the pulley back as it would be alot easier with it slid back or removed altogether.All in all not a job that you would want to do on the side of the road,so I would recomend if your pump is old,replace it if you are planning a big trip.

--- In Syncro_T3_Australia @yahoogroups. com, "bencroft96" <bencroft96@ ...> wrote:
>
> Greg,Tooleys in Sydney have German water Pumps.They are about $100 + gst.
>
> --- In Syncro_T3_Australia @yahoogroups. com, "gregespo73" <gregespo73@ > wrote:
> >
> > Mine has about 170,000kms and I can see the first sealing ring just starting to "pop" out. My question is to Aus members, have you bought a water pump recently if so where and how much. Greg
> >
> > --- In Syncro_T3_Australia @yahoogroups. com, "bencroft96" <bencroft96@ > wrote:
> > >
> > > A few weeks ago,I read threads about expired water pumps,that a few members may have had.Has anyone replaced a water pump recently on their Syncro.
> > > I am replacing mine on Monday.Since returning from my Christmas holiday mine leaks.It leaks from behind the pulley,the shaft looks like it has come outwards a few mm.
> > > I have always been aware of over tightening the belt,and also run a toothed belt.
> > > It is the original pump,and my engine now has done 190 k.I think this has been a good run from the original pump.
> > > I have replaced water pumps on t3s before,and did,remove the crank pulley to do this.
> > > On a Syncro, the engine looks like it may be positioned further back in the engine bay,or is it just the stone guards that make it appear this way???
> > > I have been told by one group member that you can not remove the crank pulley/s with the engine in the car.Can someone else confirm this?Can anyone tell me why you cant?
> > > From my observations it looks like you can remove the stone guards/engine tray by undoing some screws and two bolts.To me it looks like you could pull the guard/tray back far enough to get the pulley off.
> > > Has anyone taken this on?
> > > It looks like you could replace the pump,with some persiverence without taking the pulley off,but,I think it would be easy with it removed.
> > > My question to all is,Can the crankshaft pulleys be removed in car?if not,Why not?
> > > Has anyone recently replaced their pump with engine still in car?
> > > It looks either way, a real fun job,so cant wait to tackle it on my only day off!
> > > Does the group think it is neccesary to remove pulleys to do this job?
> > >
> >
>

16
Ben to get them off - I think you need to go to a tyre place and get the big truck air ratchet. I did that when I did an Alternator conversion on my 71 bus. You need 36mm socket for that and all I had was a 34mm - bugger!
 
Took the tyre guy about 2 minutes to do.
 
 
----- Original Message -----
From: bencroft96
Sent: Monday, February 08, 2010 4:54 PM
Subject: [Syncro_T3_Australia] Re: Water Pump

 

Replaced my water pump today.Great job,yeah right.Did not remove my crankshaft pulley as the bolt was to tight possibly loctited in.Tried big bars with pipe on them,in gear and brakes on,no go.If I was to do it again,and could get the crank bolt undone I would definatley slide the pulley back as it would be alot easier with it slid back or removed altogether.All in all not a job that you would want to do on the side of the road,so I would recomend if your pump is old,replace it if you are planning a big trip.

--- In Syncro_T3_Australia @yahoogroups. com, "bencroft96" <bencroft96@ ...> wrote:
>
> Greg,Tooleys in Sydney have German water Pumps.They are about $100 + gst.
>
> --- In Syncro_T3_Australia @yahoogroups. com, "gregespo73" <gregespo73@ > wrote:
> >
> > Mine has about 170,000kms and I can see the first sealing ring just starting to "pop" out. My question is to Aus members, have you bought a water pump recently if so where and how much. Greg
> >
> > --- In Syncro_T3_Australia @yahoogroups. com, "bencroft96" <bencroft96@ > wrote:
> > >
> > > A few weeks ago,I read threads about expired water pumps,that a few members may have had.Has anyone replaced a water pump recently on their Syncro.
> > > I am replacing mine on Monday.Since returning from my Christmas holiday mine leaks.It leaks from behind the pulley,the shaft looks like it has come outwards a few mm.
> > > I have always been aware of over tightening the belt,and also run a toothed belt.
> > > It is the original pump,and my engine now has done 190 k.I think this has been a good run from the original pump.
> > > I have replaced water pumps on t3s before,and did,remove the crank pulley to do this.
> > > On a Syncro, the engine looks like it may be positioned further back in the engine bay,or is it just the stone guards that make it appear this way???
> > > I have been told by one group member that you can not remove the crank pulley/s with the engine in the car.Can someone else confirm this?Can anyone tell me why you cant?
> > > From my observations it looks like you can remove the stone guards/engine tray by undoing some screws and two bolts.To me it looks like you could pull the guard/tray back far enough to get the pulley off.
> > > Has anyone taken this on?
> > > It looks like you could replace the pump,with some persiverence without taking the pulley off,but,I think it would be easy with it removed.
> > > My question to all is,Can the crankshaft pulleys be removed in car?if not,Why not?
> > > Has anyone recently replaced their pump with engine still in car?
> > > It looks either way, a real fun job,so cant wait to tackle it on my only day off!
> > > Does the group think it is neccesary to remove pulleys to do this job?
> > >
> >
>

17
Yeah Scott,always been on the road, just dont have to top up evry day now!

--- In Syncro_T3_Australia@yahoogroups.com, "Mr Scott Pitcher" <spbconsulting@...> wrote:
>
> Well done Ben.
>
> At least you're back on the road now?
>
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: bencroft96
> To: Syncro_T3_Australia@yahoogroups.com
> Sent: Monday, February 08, 2010 4:54 PM
> Subject: [Syncro_T3_Australia] Re: Water Pump
>
>
>
> Replaced my water pump today.Great job,yeah right.Did not remove my crankshaft pulley as the bolt was to tight possibly loctited in.Tried big bars with pipe on them,in gear and brakes on,no go.If I was to do it again,and could get the crank bolt undone I would definatley slide the pulley back as it would be alot easier with it slid back or removed altogether.All in all not a job that you would want to do on the side of the road,so I would recomend if your pump is old,replace it if you are planning a big trip.
>
> --- In Syncro_T3_Australia@yahoogroups.com, "bencroft96" <bencroft96@> wrote:
> >
> > Greg,Tooleys in Sydney have German water Pumps.They are about $100 + gst.
> >
> > --- In Syncro_T3_Australia@yahoogroups.com, "gregespo73" <gregespo73@> wrote:
> > >
> > > Mine has about 170,000kms and I can see the first sealing ring just starting to "pop" out. My question is to Aus members, have you bought a water pump recently if so where and how much. Greg
> > >
> > > --- In Syncro_T3_Australia@yahoogroups.com, "bencroft96" <bencroft96@> wrote:
> > > >
> > > > A few weeks ago,I read threads about expired water pumps,that a few members may have had.Has anyone replaced a water pump recently on their Syncro.
> > > > I am replacing mine on Monday.Since returning from my Christmas holiday mine leaks.It leaks from behind the pulley,the shaft looks like it has come outwards a few mm.
> > > > I have always been aware of over tightening the belt,and also run a toothed belt.
> > > > It is the original pump,and my engine now has done 190 k.I think this has been a good run from the original pump.
> > > > I have replaced water pumps on t3s before,and did,remove the crank pulley to do this.
> > > > On a Syncro, the engine looks like it may be positioned further back in the engine bay,or is it just the stone guards that make it appear this way???
> > > > I have been told by one group member that you can not remove the crank pulley/s with the engine in the car.Can someone else confirm this?Can anyone tell me why you cant?
> > > > From my observations it looks like you can remove the stone guards/engine tray by undoing some screws and two bolts.To me it looks like you could pull the guard/tray back far enough to get the pulley off.
> > > > Has anyone taken this on?
> > > > It looks like you could replace the pump,with some persiverence without taking the pulley off,but,I think it would be easy with it removed.
> > > > My question to all is,Can the crankshaft pulleys be removed in car?if not,Why not?
> > > > Has anyone recently replaced their pump with engine still in car?
> > > > It looks either way, a real fun job,so cant wait to tackle it on my only day off!
> > > > Does the group think it is neccesary to remove pulleys to do this job?
> > > >
> > >
> >
>
18
Scott,I used a tool that I have never used today to try to get the pulley bolt undone.After trying brute force and a bar/and starter power,I was presented with a power bar that you hit down to the left with a mallet,I dont know what it name is.Great tool for undoing crankshaft bolts ,but the bolt was just too tight.Does anyone know the name of this tool?It works on leverage and downwards force from the hit of a mallet.
The problem with the pulley being in the way is that,there is a cooling pipe between the pulley and crankcase,and it is difficult to get the pump back far enough to get it off the 3 studs,even when you unbolt the pipe from the drivers side head.
oh I forgot... Scott, you dont need to worry about this,hopefully the last time I need to too.haha

--- In Syncro_T3_Australia@yahoogroups.com, "Mr Scott Pitcher" <spbconsulting@...> wrote:
>
> Ben to get them off - I think you need to go to a tyre place and get the big truck air ratchet. I did that when I did an Alternator conversion on my 71 bus. You need 36mm socket for that and all I had was a 34mm - bugger!
>
> Took the tyre guy about 2 minutes to do.
>
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: bencroft96
> To: Syncro_T3_Australia@yahoogroups.com
> Sent: Monday, February 08, 2010 4:54 PM
> Subject: [Syncro_T3_Australia] Re: Water Pump
>
>
>
> Replaced my water pump today.Great job,yeah right.Did not remove my crankshaft pulley as the bolt was to tight possibly loctited in.Tried big bars with pipe on them,in gear and brakes on,no go.If I was to do it again,and could get the crank bolt undone I would definatley slide the pulley back as it would be alot easier with it slid back or removed altogether.All in all not a job that you would want to do on the side of the road,so I would recomend if your pump is old,replace it if you are planning a big trip.
>
> --- In Syncro_T3_Australia@yahoogroups.com, "bencroft96" <bencroft96@> wrote:
> >
> > Greg,Tooleys in Sydney have German water Pumps.They are about $100 + gst.
> >
> > --- In Syncro_T3_Australia@yahoogroups.com, "gregespo73" <gregespo73@> wrote:
> > >
> > > Mine has about 170,000kms and I can see the first sealing ring just starting to "pop" out. My question is to Aus members, have you bought a water pump recently if so where and how much. Greg
> > >
> > > --- In Syncro_T3_Australia@yahoogroups.com, "bencroft96" <bencroft96@> wrote:
> > > >
> > > > A few weeks ago,I read threads about expired water pumps,that a few members may have had.Has anyone replaced a water pump recently on their Syncro.
> > > > I am replacing mine on Monday.Since returning from my Christmas holiday mine leaks.It leaks from behind the pulley,the shaft looks like it has come outwards a few mm.
> > > > I have always been aware of over tightening the belt,and also run a toothed belt.
> > > > It is the original pump,and my engine now has done 190 k.I think this has been a good run from the original pump.
> > > > I have replaced water pumps on t3s before,and did,remove the crank pulley to do this.
> > > > On a Syncro, the engine looks like it may be positioned further back in the engine bay,or is it just the stone guards that make it appear this way???
> > > > I have been told by one group member that you can not remove the crank pulley/s with the engine in the car.Can someone else confirm this?Can anyone tell me why you cant?
> > > > From my observations it looks like you can remove the stone guards/engine tray by undoing some screws and two bolts.To me it looks like you could pull the guard/tray back far enough to get the pulley off.
> > > > Has anyone taken this on?
> > > > It looks like you could replace the pump,with some persiverence without taking the pulley off,but,I think it would be easy with it removed.
> > > > My question to all is,Can the crankshaft pulleys be removed in car?if not,Why not?
> > > > Has anyone recently replaced their pump with engine still in car?
> > > > It looks either way, a real fun job,so cant wait to tackle it on my only day off!
> > > > Does the group think it is neccesary to remove pulleys to do this job?
> > > >
> > >
> >
>
19
Yeah it is a 34 mm socket but,with all the tin ware and exhaust,dont know about any air ratchet.

--- In Syncro_T3_Australia@yahoogroups.com, "Mr Scott Pitcher" <spbconsulting@...> wrote:
>
> Ben to get them off - I think you need to go to a tyre place and get the big truck air ratchet. I did that when I did an Alternator conversion on my 71 bus. You need 36mm socket for that and all I had was a 34mm - bugger!
>
> Took the tyre guy about 2 minutes to do.
>
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: bencroft96
> To: Syncro_T3_Australia@yahoogroups.com
> Sent: Monday, February 08, 2010 4:54 PM
> Subject: [Syncro_T3_Australia] Re: Water Pump
>
>
>
> Replaced my water pump today.Great job,yeah right.Did not remove my crankshaft pulley as the bolt was to tight possibly loctited in.Tried big bars with pipe on them,in gear and brakes on,no go.If I was to do it again,and could get the crank bolt undone I would definatley slide the pulley back as it would be alot easier with it slid back or removed altogether.All in all not a job that you would want to do on the side of the road,so I would recomend if your pump is old,replace it if you are planning a big trip.
>
> --- In Syncro_T3_Australia@yahoogroups.com, "bencroft96" <bencroft96@> wrote:
> >
> > Greg,Tooleys in Sydney have German water Pumps.They are about $100 + gst.
> >
> > --- In Syncro_T3_Australia@yahoogroups.com, "gregespo73" <gregespo73@> wrote:
> > >
> > > Mine has about 170,000kms and I can see the first sealing ring just starting to "pop" out. My question is to Aus members, have you bought a water pump recently if so where and how much. Greg
> > >
> > > --- In Syncro_T3_Australia@yahoogroups.com, "bencroft96" <bencroft96@> wrote:
> > > >
> > > > A few weeks ago,I read threads about expired water pumps,that a few members may have had.Has anyone replaced a water pump recently on their Syncro.
> > > > I am replacing mine on Monday.Since returning from my Christmas holiday mine leaks.It leaks from behind the pulley,the shaft looks like it has come outwards a few mm.
> > > > I have always been aware of over tightening the belt,and also run a toothed belt.
> > > > It is the original pump,and my engine now has done 190 k.I think this has been a good run from the original pump.
> > > > I have replaced water pumps on t3s before,and did,remove the crank pulley to do this.
> > > > On a Syncro, the engine looks like it may be positioned further back in the engine bay,or is it just the stone guards that make it appear this way???
> > > > I have been told by one group member that you can not remove the crank pulley/s with the engine in the car.Can someone else confirm this?Can anyone tell me why you cant?
> > > > From my observations it looks like you can remove the stone guards/engine tray by undoing some screws and two bolts.To me it looks like you could pull the guard/tray back far enough to get the pulley off.
> > > > Has anyone taken this on?
> > > > It looks like you could replace the pump,with some persiverence without taking the pulley off,but,I think it would be easy with it removed.
> > > > My question to all is,Can the crankshaft pulleys be removed in car?if not,Why not?
> > > > Has anyone recently replaced their pump with engine still in car?
> > > > It looks either way, a real fun job,so cant wait to tackle it on my only day off!
> > > > Does the group think it is neccesary to remove pulleys to do this job?
> > > >
> > >
> >
>
20
I took my old generator completely out and had they alternator separate from the majority of the tinware when it was done back up - Much easier to put in a bench vice.
 
 
----- Original Message -----
From: bencroft96
Sent: Monday, February 08, 2010 8:15 PM
Subject: [Syncro_T3_Australia] Re: Water Pump

 

Yeah it is a 34 mm socket but,with all the tin ware and exhaust,dont know about any air ratchet.

--- In Syncro_T3_Australia @yahoogroups. com, "Mr Scott Pitcher" <spbconsulting@ ...> wrote:
>
> Ben to get them off - I think you need to go to a tyre place and get the big truck air ratchet. I did that when I did an Alternator conversion on my 71 bus. You need 36mm socket for that and all I had was a 34mm - bugger!
>
> Took the tyre guy about 2 minutes to do.
>
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: bencroft96
> To: Syncro_T3_Australia @yahoogroups. com
> Sent: Monday, February 08, 2010 4:54 PM
> Subject: [Syncro_T3_Australi a] Re: Water Pump
>
>
>
> Replaced my water pump today.Great job,yeah right.Did not remove my crankshaft pulley as the bolt was to tight possibly loctited in.Tried big bars with pipe on them,in gear and brakes on,no go.If I was to do it again,and could get the crank bolt undone I would definatley slide the pulley back as it would be alot easier with it slid back or removed altogether.All in all not a job that you would want to do on the side of the road,so I would recomend if your pump is old,replace it if you are planning a big trip.
>
> --- In Syncro_T3_Australia @yahoogroups. com, "bencroft96" <bencroft96@ > wrote:
> >
> > Greg,Tooleys in Sydney have German water Pumps.They are about $100 + gst.
> >
> > --- In Syncro_T3_Australia @yahoogroups. com, "gregespo73" <gregespo73@ > wrote:
> > >
> > > Mine has about 170,000kms and I can see the first sealing ring just starting to "pop" out. My question is to Aus members, have you bought a water pump recently if so where and how much. Greg
> > >
> > > --- In Syncro_T3_Australia @yahoogroups. com, "bencroft96" <bencroft96@ > wrote:
> > > >
> > > > A few weeks ago,I read threads about expired water pumps,that a few members may have had.Has anyone replaced a water pump recently on their Syncro.
> > > > I am replacing mine on Monday.Since returning from my Christmas holiday mine leaks.It leaks from behind the pulley,the shaft looks like it has come outwards a few mm.
> > > > I have always been aware of over tightening the belt,and also run a toothed belt.
> > > > It is the original pump,and my engine now has done 190 k.I think this has been a good run from the original pump.
> > > > I have replaced water pumps on t3s before,and did,remove the crank pulley to do this.
> > > > On a Syncro, the engine looks like it may be positioned further back in the engine bay,or is it just the stone guards that make it appear this way???
> > > > I have been told by one group member that you can not remove the crank pulley/s with the engine in the car.Can someone else confirm this?Can anyone tell me why you cant?
> > > > From my observations it looks like you can remove the stone guards/engine tray by undoing some screws and two bolts.To me it looks like you could pull the guard/tray back far enough to get the pulley off.
> > > > Has anyone taken this on?
> > > > It looks like you could replace the pump,with some persiverence without taking the pulley off,but,I think it would be easy with it removed.
> > > > My question to all is,Can the crankshaft pulleys be removed in car?if not,Why not?
> > > > Has anyone recently replaced their pump with engine still in car?
> > > > It looks either way, a real fun job,so cant wait to tackle it on my only day off!
> > > > Does the group think it is neccesary to remove pulleys to do this job?
> > > >
> > >
> >
>