Morning all. In the process of getting my interior sorted and as an of shoot of this I would like to sort water storage. Currently have about 45l stored in a fiberglass belly tank and 15l in the cabin. What I want to ask those who have experience traveling through Australia's deserts is how much water do you take - worst case scenario. I am thinking of fitting an extra tank in the unused spare wheel well and a fuel tank opposite the current tank. Thoughts?
Greg,
No experience with desert issues but I have been advised that you should split your water into several smaller containers to ensure you dont lose it all if a tank gets a hole.
I had a neighbour that used to put a water bladder in the spare wheel well - a good spot which is otherwise unused - make for a nice hot shower after a long days drive!
Cheers,
Skot
No experience with desert issues but I have been advised that you should split your water into several smaller containers to ensure you dont lose it all if a tank gets a hole.
I had a neighbour that used to put a water bladder in the spare wheel well - a good spot which is otherwise unused - make for a nice hot shower after a long days drive!
Cheers,
Skot
On 8/01/2014 10:55 AM, gregespo73@yahoo.com wrote:
Morning all. In the process of getting my interior sorted and as an of shoot of this I would like to sort water storage. Currently have about 45l stored in a fiberglass belly tank and 15l in the cabin. What I want to ask those who have experience traveling through Australia's deserts is how much water do you take - worst case scenario. I am thinking of fitting an extra tank in the unused spare wheel well and a fuel tank opposite the current tank. Thoughts?
Greg,
From a safety point of view, a fuel tank under your feet and at the most vulnerable end of the vehicle is not a good idea. If you need extra fuel range, a tank in the same place as most water tanks is a lot safer but still demands very solid construction and very well protected fuel hoses. My preference would be for good quality Jerry cans at the rear of the vehicle.
A person with your skills could replicate the sort of carriers made by Gary Lee:
http://www.telusplanet.net/public/gary2a/rack/swingtire/swingtire.htm
Les
From:
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Behalf Of gregespo73@yahoo.com
Sent: 08 January 2014 10:56
To:
Syncro_T3_Australia@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [Syncro_T3_Australia]
Water tanks
Morning all. In the process of getting my interior sorted and as an of shoot of this I would like to sort water storage. Currently have about 45l stored in a fiberglass belly tank and 15l in the cabin. What I want to ask those who have experience traveling through Australia 's deserts is how much water do you take - worst case scenario. I am thinking of fitting an extra tank in the unused spare wheel well and a fuel tank opposite the current tank. Thoughts?
Sorry Les I must have worded that badly as that is what I am proposing. Fuel tank on left side between chassis rails and rocker, 40l water on right and 45l water up front. All baffled and protected. Jerry cans are a lot simpler option however due to the fact that Alice and I are bicycle obsessed and the need for a swing out wheel carrier there will be no room left on the already bulging bustle. Thanks Skot, yes I think you are right. The old adage of "all your eggs in one basket" applies to most facets of outback travel.
From: Les Harris <leslieharris@optusnet.com.au>
To: Syncro_T3_Australia@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Wednesday, 8 January 2014 11:30 AM
Subject: RE: [Syncro_T3_Australia] Water tanks
To: Syncro_T3_Australia@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Wednesday, 8 January 2014 11:30 AM
Subject: RE: [Syncro_T3_Australia] Water tanks
Greg,
From a safety point of view, a fuel tank
under your feet and at the most vulnerable end of the vehicle is not a good
idea. If you need extra fuel range, a tank in the same place as most
water tanks is a lot safer but still demands very solid construction and very
well protected fuel hoses. My preference would be for good quality Jerry
cans at the rear of the vehicle.
A person with your skills could
replicate the sort of carriers made by Gary Lee:
Les
From:
Syncro_T3_Australia@yahoogroups.com
[mailto:Syncro_T3_Australia@yahoogroups.com] On
Behalf Of gregespo73@yahoo.com
Sent: 08 January 2014 10:56
To: Syncro_T3_Australia@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [Syncro_T3_Australia] Water tanks
Sent: 08 January 2014 10:56
To: Syncro_T3_Australia@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [Syncro_T3_Australia] Water tanks
Morning all. In the process of getting my interior sorted and as an of
shoot of this I would like to sort water storage. Currently have about 45l
stored in a fiberglass belly tank and 15l in the cabin. What I want to ask
those who have experience traveling through Australia 's deserts is how much
water do you take - worst case scenario. I am thinking of fitting an extra
tank in the unused spare wheel well and a fuel tank opposite the current tank.
Thoughts?
The answer to your question depends on a few factors.
How many people travelling?
How long you want to be able to camp in one place without resupplying or travel around without seeing other people?
How often do you want to wash / shower?
How often do you want to do laundry?
How meticulous are you about washing dishes?
How much water do want in reserve after working out the answers to all of the above?
I've done a fair bit of desert / remote travel in a previous vehicle and for two people we would carry 90 litres of water when leaving 'civilisation'. We would budget 10 litres per day and this includes a big safety margin.
![]()
How many people travelling?
How long you want to be able to camp in one place without resupplying or travel around without seeing other people?
How often do you want to wash / shower?
How often do you want to do laundry?
How meticulous are you about washing dishes?
How much water do want in reserve after working out the answers to all of the above?
I've done a fair bit of desert / remote travel in a previous vehicle and for two people we would carry 90 litres of water when leaving 'civilisation'. We would budget 10 litres per day and this includes a big safety margin.
.
Thanks Paul, Yes I see now that I left out the most important information! At the end of the day I can't see the ability to carry much more than about 100L in tanks on a kombi (with aux fuel) so I guess I will just run with that and add water containers in the cabin should the need arise. Was that 10L per day for two people? Thanks for sharing your experience. Greg
From: Paul Hardy <paulhardy76@hotmail.co.uk>
To: "Syncro_T3_Australia@yahoogroups.com" <syncro_t3_australia@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Wednesday, 8 January 2014 1:52 PM
Subject: RE: [Syncro_T3_Australia] Water tanks
To: "Syncro_T3_Australia@yahoogroups.com" <syncro_t3_australia@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Wednesday, 8 January 2014 1:52 PM
Subject: RE: [Syncro_T3_Australia] Water tanks
The answer to your question depends on a few factors.
How many people travelling?
How long you want to be able to camp in one place without resupplying or travel around without seeing other people?
How often do you want to wash / shower?
How often do you want to do laundry?
How meticulous are you about washing dishes?
How much water do want in reserve after working out the answers to all of the above?
I've done a fair bit of desert / remote travel in a previous vehicle and for two people we would carry 90 litres of water when leaving 'civilisation'. We would budget 10 litres per day and this includes a big safety margin.
How many people travelling?
How long you want to be able to camp in one place without resupplying or travel around without seeing other people?
How often do you want to wash / shower?
How often do you want to do laundry?
How meticulous are you about washing dishes?
How much water do want in reserve after working out the answers to all of the above?
I've done a fair bit of desert / remote travel in a previous vehicle and for two people we would carry 90 litres of water when leaving 'civilisation'. We would budget 10 litres per day and this includes a big safety margin.
.
Hi Greg,
I had a Syncro camper '97-'02 with 62L of water tanks underneath.
My wife & I travelled across the Simpson, up the Tanami into Kimberleys, etc. on occasions.
Found 62L OK provided we took every opportunity to top up eg. roadside shelter tanks, nice clear creek water etc.. Used water for cooking, drinking, washing up & for 5L bucket
wash. No clothes washing.
More recent years we had a ute with a Trayon trayback camper with 110L tank. Found this gave a useful margin & did'nt have to top up nearly as often.
Current Trakka has 2x50L tanks underneath, so will probable carry 10-20L spare.
Cheers,
Bruce.
On Wednesday, 8 January 2014 1:23 PM, Paul Hardy <paulhardy76@hotmail.co.uk> wrote:
The answer to your question depends on a few factors.
How many people travelling?
How long you want to be able to camp in one place without resupplying or travel around without seeing other people?
How often do you want to wash / shower?
How often do you want to do laundry?
How meticulous are you about washing dishes?
How much water do want in reserve after working out the answers to all of the above?
I've done a fair bit of desert / remote travel in a previous vehicle and for two people we would carry 90 litres of water when leaving 'civilisation'. We would budget 10 litres per day and this includes a big safety margin.
![]()
How many people travelling?
How long you want to be able to camp in one place without resupplying or travel around without seeing other people?
How often do you want to wash / shower?
How often do you want to do laundry?
How meticulous are you about washing dishes?
How much water do want in reserve after working out the answers to all of the above?
I've done a fair bit of desert / remote travel in a previous vehicle and for two people we would carry 90 litres of water when leaving 'civilisation'. We would budget 10 litres per day and this includes a big safety margin.
.
Bruce,
Your syncro must be fairly heavy fully laden with 100kgs of water + and all the heavy Trakka conversion - the Subaru motor would not weigh much more.
Have you recently weighed it on a weigh bridge?
Cheers,
Skot
Your syncro must be fairly heavy fully laden with 100kgs of water + and all the heavy Trakka conversion - the Subaru motor would not weigh much more.
Have you recently weighed it on a weigh bridge?
Cheers,
Skot
On 8/01/2014 2:58 PM, Bruce Morphett wrote:
Hi Greg,I had a Syncro camper '97-'02 with 62L of water tanks underneath.My wife & I travelled across the Simpson, up the Tanami into Kimberleys, etc. on occasions.Found 62L OK provided we took every opportunity to top up eg. roadside shelter tanks, nice clear creek water etc.. Used water for cooking, drinking, washing up & for 5L bucket wash. No clothes washing.More recent years we had a ute with a Trayon trayback camper with 110L tank. Found this gave a useful margin & did'nt have to top up nearly as often.Current Trakka has 2x50L tanks underneath, so will probable carry 10-20L spare.Cheers,Bruce.
On Wednesday, 8 January 2014 1:23 PM, Paul Hardy <paulhardy76@hotmail.co.uk> wrote:
The answer to your question depends on a few factors.
How many people travelling?
How long you want to be able to camp in one place without resupplying or travel around without seeing other people?
How often do you want to wash / shower?
How often do you want to do laundry?
How meticulous are you about washing dishes?
How much water do want in reserve after working out the answers to all of the above?
I've done a fair bit of desert / remote travel in a previous vehicle and for two people we would carry 90 litres of water when leaving 'civilisation'. We would budget 10 litres per day and this includes a big safety margin.
.![]()
Skot,
Have thought of it, but have'nt done it yet. Will post the weight when I have put it fully laden over a weighbridge.
Having 225/75R16 Cooper AT3s fitted to my Tiguan rims tomorrow. hoping to do minimal trimming.
Bruce.
On Wednesday, 8 January 2014 2:42 PM, "spbconsulting@bigpond.com" <spbconsulting@bigpond.com> wrote:
Bruce,
Your syncro must be fairly heavy fully laden with 100kgs of water + and all the heavy Trakka conversion - the Subaru motor would not weigh much more.
Have you recently weighed it on a weigh bridge?
Cheers,
Skot
Your syncro must be fairly heavy fully laden with 100kgs of water + and all the heavy Trakka conversion - the Subaru motor would not weigh much more.
Have you recently weighed it on a weigh bridge?
Cheers,
Skot
On 8/01/2014 2:58 PM, Bruce Morphett wrote:
Hi Greg,I had a Syncro camper '97-'02 with 62L of water tanks underneath.My wife & I travelled across the Simpson, up the Tanami into Kimberleys, etc. on occasions.Found 62L OK provided we took every opportunity to top up eg. roadside shelter tanks, nice clear creek water etc.. Used water for cooking, drinking, washing up & for 5L bucket wash. No clothes washing.More recent years we had a ute with a Trayon trayback camper with 110L tank. Found this gave a useful margin & did'nt have to top up nearly as often.Current Trakka has 2x50L tanks underneath, so will probable carry 10-20L spare.Cheers,Bruce.
On Wednesday, 8 January 2014 1:23 PM, Paul Hardy <paulhardy76@hotmail.co.uk> wrote:
The answer to your question depends on a few factors.
How many people travelling?
How long you want to be able to camp in one place without resupplying or travel around without seeing other people?
How often do you want to wash / shower?
How often do you want to do laundry?
How meticulous are you about washing dishes?
How much water do want in reserve after working out the answers to all of the above?
I've done a fair bit of desert / remote travel in a previous vehicle and for two people we would carry 90 litres of water when leaving 'civilisation'. We would budget 10 litres per day and this includes a big safety margin.
.![]()
Thanks Paul, Yes I see now that I left out the most important information! At the end of the day I can't see the ability to carry much more than about 100L in tanks on a kombi (with aux fuel) so I guess I will just run with that and add water containers in the cabin should the need arise. Was that 10L per day for two people? Thanks for sharing your experience. Greg
Yes, 10litres per day for 2 people. Roughly 5litres for drinking, 3litres for cooking and washing (recycle for the dishes) plus a bit left over for emergencies.
I haven't yet loaded up my Syncro for a long remote trip but I dread to think what the fuel consumption would be like driving off road with a weeks worth of food, fuel and water.
Also previously I used 4x20litre and 1x10litre jerry cans for a few reasons. If the water isn't good for drinking you only filter smaller amounts instead of everything in a big tank, then your filter lasts longer. If you get a leak it isn't a disaster. It's cheaper. Having removable jerry cans makes it easier to fill up in some circumstances. This was with a 75 series LandCruiser with the whole of the back set up for storage, the downside of this in a T3 camper is the smaller available storage space.
Yes, 10litres per day for 2 people. Roughly 5litres for drinking, 3litres for cooking and washing (recycle for the dishes) plus a bit left over for emergencies.
I haven't yet loaded up my Syncro for a long remote trip but I dread to think what the fuel consumption would be like driving off road with a weeks worth of food, fuel and water.
Also previously I used 4x20litre and 1x10litre jerry cans for a few reasons. If the water isn't good for drinking you only filter smaller amounts instead of everything in a big tank, then your filter lasts longer. If you get a leak it isn't a disaster. It's cheaper. Having removable jerry cans makes it easier to fill up in some circumstances. This was with a 75 series LandCruiser with the whole of the back set up for storage, the downside of this in a T3 camper is the smaller available storage space.
We will need some photos with the new
shoes on Bruce.
Thanks,
Skot
Thanks,
Skot
On 8/01/2014 4:07 PM, Bruce Morphett wrote:
Skot,Have thought of it, but have'nt done it yet. Will post the weight when I have put it fully laden over a weighbridge.Having 225/75R16 Cooper AT3s fitted to my Tiguan rims tomorrow. hoping to do minimal trimming.
Bruce.
On Wednesday, 8 January 2014 2:42 PM, "spbconsulting@bigpond.com" <spbconsulting@bigpond.com> wrote:
Bruce,
Your syncro must be fairly heavy fully laden with 100kgs of water + and all the heavy Trakka conversion - the Subaru motor would not weigh much more.
Have you recently weighed it on a weigh bridge?
Cheers,
Skot
On 8/01/2014 2:58 PM, Bruce Morphett wrote:
Hi Greg,I had a Syncro camper '97-'02 with 62L of water tanks underneath.My wife & I travelled across the Simpson, up the Tanami into Kimberleys, etc. on occasions.Found 62L OK provided we took every opportunity to top up eg. roadside shelter tanks, nice clear creek water etc.. Used water for cooking, drinking, washing up & for 5L bucket wash. No clothes washing.More recent years we had a ute with a Trayon trayback camper with 110L tank. Found this gave a useful margin & did'nt have to top up nearly as often.Current Trakka has 2x50L tanks underneath, so will probable carry 10-20L spare.Cheers,Bruce.
On Wednesday, 8 January 2014 1:23 PM, Paul Hardy <paulhardy76@hotmail.co.uk> wrote:
The answer to your question depends on a few factors.
How many people travelling?
How long you want to be able to camp in one place without resupplying or travel around without seeing other people?
How often do you want to wash / shower?
How often do you want to do laundry?
How meticulous are you about washing dishes?
How much water do want in reserve after working out the answers to all of the above?
I've done a fair bit of desert / remote travel in a previous vehicle and for two people we would carry 90 litres of water when leaving 'civilisation'. We would budget 10 litres per day and this includes a big safety margin.
.![]()
Hi Greg,
I have also been pondering how to deal with the combination of bicycle carrier plus water and extra fuel for future trips. We have 100 litres of water capacity in 2 x 50 litres side tanks. Given that I struggle to get a full 70 litres into the fuel tank, extra petrol is always going to the issue. Much like you, leaving the bikes behind isn't an option.
Where exactly do your 45l of water "up front" live assuming your spare wheel is in the standard location?
One option is to increase the capacity of the side tanks and then dedicate one to fuel and one to water. This company seems to have been able to squeeze 80 litre capacity each side (translate via Google).
Attached is a pic of our current set up. Tomorrow we take on the Barry Way north through to Jindabyne. Last time I did it was on a push bike with a trailer. A fair bit of altitude gain for either set up.
Jon.
On 08/01/2014, at 12:00 PM, Greg Esposito <gregespo73@yahoo.com> wrote:
Sorry Les I must have worded that badly as that is what I am proposing. Fuel tank on left side between chassis rails and rocker, 40l water on right and 45l water up front. All baffled and protected. Jerry cans are a lot simpler option however due to the fact that Alice and I are bicycle obsessed and the need for a swing out wheel carrier there will be no room left on the already bulging bustle. Thanks Skot, yes I think you are right. The old adage of "all your eggs in one basket" applies to most facets of outback travel.From: Les Harris <leslieharris@optusnet.com.au>
To: Syncro_T3_Australia@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Wednesday, 8 January 2014 11:30 AM
Subject: RE: [Syncro_T3_Australia] Water tanks
Greg,From a safety point of view, a fuel tank under your feet and at the most vulnerable end of the vehicle is not a good idea. If you need extra fuel range, a tank in the same place as most water tanks is a lot safer but still demands very solid construction and very well protected fuel hoses. My preference would be for good quality Jerry cans at the rear of the vehicle.A person with your skills could replicate the sort of carriers made by Gary Lee:LesFrom: Syncro_T3_Australia@yahoogroups.com [mailto:Syncro_T3_Australia@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of gregespo73@yahoo.com
Sent: 08 January 2014 10:56
To: Syncro_T3_Australia@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [Syncro_T3_Australia] Water tanksMorning all. In the process of getting my interior sorted and as an of shoot of this I would like to sort water storage. Currently have about 45l stored in a fiberglass belly tank and 15l in the cabin. What I want to ask those who have experience traveling through Australia 's deserts is how much water do you take - worst case scenario. I am thinking of fitting an extra tank in the unused spare wheel well and a fuel tank opposite the current tank. Thoughts?
Dear All,
Am 21.01.2014 11:30, schrieb Jon
Bartlett:
I have also been pondering how to deal with the combination of bicycle carrier plus water and extra fuel for future trips.
Sorry I don't know your interior setup, but maybe a solution like this http://www.ig-syncro16.de/forum/index.php?name=coppermine&file=displayimage&album=1664&pos=3 could be of help to you as regards water storage. The (then) approx. 40 litre water tank on the right hand side has been extended to round about 70 litres in the meantime (the blue water filter needed to move a bit for this).
This company seems to have been able to squeeze 80 litre capacity each side (translate via Google).
Using two of these 80 litre tanks (one Diesel for heating and cooking and one petrol for driving), both of them have proven to only 'accept' 75 liters at the very maximum. No chance they will take one more drop of fuel.
Joachim
2014: South-West Germany
2004: Travelling OZ in the syncro
Professional translator English-German
Hi Jon, Good to see keen cyclists on the forum. I am looking at having a tank made for the spare wheel well and a new one for the rhs. This is all dependant on me making the swing out carrier of course. I have found a guy who makes them out of polypropylene food grade material. I will keep you and the forum informed of my progress.
By the way Jon trade in the trailer for one of these. http://www.cargocycles.com.au/bikes/cargo-bikes-melbourne/yuba-mundo-cargo-bike/yuba-mundo-v4-detail
The only way to roll will littleins. Greg
From: Jon Bartlett <mail@jaybe.net>
To: Syncro_T3_Australia@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Tuesday, 21 January 2014 9:30 PM
Subject: Re: [Syncro_T3_Australia] Water tanks [1 Attachment]
To: Syncro_T3_Australia@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Tuesday, 21 January 2014 9:30 PM
Subject: Re: [Syncro_T3_Australia] Water tanks [1 Attachment]
Hi Greg,
I have also been pondering how to deal with the combination of bicycle carrier plus water and extra fuel for future trips. We have 100 litres of water capacity in 2 x 50 litres
side tanks. Given that I struggle to get a full 70 litres into the fuel tank, extra petrol is always going to the issue. Much like you, leaving the bikes behind isn't an option.
Where exactly do your 45l of water "up front" live assuming your spare wheel is in the standard location?
One option is to increase the capacity of the side tanks and then dedicate one to fuel and one to water. This company seems to have been able to squeeze 80 litre capacity each side (translate via Google).
Attached is a pic of our current set up. Tomorrow we take on the Barry Way north through to Jindabyne. Last time I did it was on a push bike with a trailer. A
fair bit of altitude gain for either set up.
Jon.
On 08/01/2014, at 12:00 PM, Greg Esposito <gregespo73@yahoo.com> wrote:
Sorry Les I must have worded that badly as that is what I am proposing. Fuel tank on left side between chassis rails and rocker, 40l water on right and 45l water up front. All baffled and protected. Jerry cans are a lot simpler option however due to the fact that Alice and I are bicycle obsessed and the need for a swing out wheel carrier there will be no room left on the already bulging bustle. Thanks Skot, yes I think you are right. The old adage of "all your eggs in one basket" applies to most facets of outback travel.From: Les Harris <leslieharris@optusnet.com.au>
To: Syncro_T3_Australia@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Wednesday, 8 January 2014 11:30 AM
Subject: RE: [Syncro_T3_Australia] Water tanks
Greg,From a safety point of view, a fuel tank under your feet and at the most vulnerable end of the vehicle is not a good idea. If you need extra fuel range, a tank in the same place as most water tanks is a lot safer but still demands very solid construction and very well protected fuel hoses. My preference would be for good quality Jerry cans at the rear of the vehicle.A person with your skills could replicate the sort of carriers made by Gary Lee:LesFrom: Syncro_T3_Australia@yahoogroups.com [mailto:Syncro_T3_Australia@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of gregespo73@yahoo.com
Sent: 08 January 2014 10:56
To: Syncro_T3_Australia@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [Syncro_T3_Australia] Water tanksMorning all. In the process of getting my interior sorted and as an of shoot of this I would like to sort water storage. Currently have about 45l stored in a fiberglass belly tank and 15l in the cabin. What I want to ask those who have experience traveling through Australia 's deserts is how much water do you take - worst case scenario. I am thinking of fitting an extra tank in the unused spare wheel well and a fuel tank opposite the current tank. Thoughts?
Nice Rig and set-up Jon.
Looked at the tanks and they seem very pricey once you factor in the Australian Peso.
Very well made though and I love the filler neck that looks great!
Cheers,
Skot
Looked at the tanks and they seem very pricey once you factor in the Australian Peso.
Very well made though and I love the filler neck that looks great!
Cheers,
Skot
On 21/01/2014 9:30 PM, Jon Bartlett wrote:
Hi Greg,
I have also been pondering how to deal with the combination of bicycle carrier plus water and extra fuel for future trips. We have 100 litres of water capacity in 2 x 50 litres side tanks. Given that I struggle to get a full 70 litres into the fuel tank, extra petrol is always going to the issue. Much like you, leaving the bikes behind isn't an option.
Where exactly do your 45l of water "up front" live assuming your spare wheel is in the standard location?
One option is to increase the capacity of the side tanks and then dedicate one to fuel and one to water. This company seems to have been able to squeeze 80 litre capacity each side (translate via Google).
Attached is a pic of our current set up. Tomorrow we take on the Barry Way north through to Jindabyne. Last time I did it was on a push bike with a trailer. A fair bit of altitude gain for either set up.
Jon.
On 08/01/2014, at 12:00 PM, Greg Esposito <gregespo73@yahoo.com> wrote:
Sorry Les I must have worded that badly as that is what I am proposing. Fuel tank on left side between chassis rails and rocker, 40l water on right and 45l water up front. All baffled and protected. Jerry cans are a lot simpler option however due to the fact that Alice and I are bicycle obsessed and the need for a swing out wheel carrier there will be no room left on the already bulging bustle. Thanks Skot, yes I think you are right. The old adage of "all your eggs in one basket" applies to most facets of outback travel.
From: Les Harris <leslieharris@optusnet.com.au>
To: Syncro_T3_Australia@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Wednesday, 8 January 2014 11:30 AM
Subject: RE: [Syncro_T3_Australia] Water tanks
Greg,From a safety point of view, a fuel tank under your feet and at the most vulnerable end of the vehicle is not a good idea. If you need extra fuel range, a tank in the same place as most water tanks is a lot safer but still demands very solid construction and very well protected fuel hoses. My preference would be for good quality Jerry cans at the rear of the vehicle.A person with your skills could replicate the sort of carriers made by Gary Lee:LesFrom: Syncro_T3_Australia@yahoogroups.com [mailto:Syncro_T3_Australia@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of gregespo73@yahoo.com
Sent: 08 January 2014 10:56
To: Syncro_T3_Australia@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [Syncro_T3_Australia] Water tanksMorning all. In the process of getting my interior sorted and as an of shoot of this I would like to sort water storage. Currently have about 45l stored in a fiberglass belly tank and 15l in the cabin. What I want to ask those who have experience traveling through Australia 's deserts is how much water do you take - worst case scenario. I am thinking of fitting an extra tank in the unused spare wheel well and a fuel tank opposite the current tank. Thoughts?
Hi Greg,
Polypropylene might be the way forward. Our tanks have started to impart a distinct metallic taste on the water. I am going to give them a good flush through and clean. Any tips from others appreciated. Might try baking soda then Miltons.
We were toying with the idea of a cargo bike a few months back and visited Cargo Cycles. Gary(?) was very interested when we turned up in the van as he said he was a former syncro owner and used to hang around the forums. Your name was also mentioned.
How do you intend to attach the bikes to the rear of the van with a swing out tyre carrier? Like this? http://www.telusplanet.net/public/gary2a/rack/ladder/ladder2bike/ladder2bike.htm
Jon.
On 22/01/2014, at 8:24 AM, Greg Esposito <gregespo73@yahoo.com> wrote:
Hi Jon, Good to see keen cyclists on the forum. I am looking at having a tank made for the spare wheel well and a new one for the rhs. This is all dependant on me making the swing out carrier of course. I have found a guy who makes them out of polypropylene food grade material. I will keep you and the forum informed of my progress.By the way Jon trade in the trailer for one of these. http://www.cargocycles.com.au/bikes/cargo-bikes-melbourne/yuba-mundo-cargo-bike/yuba-mundo-v4-detailThe only way to roll will littleins. GregFrom: Jon Bartlett <mail@jaybe.net>
To: Syncro_T3_Australia@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Tuesday, 21 January 2014 9:30 PM
Subject: Re: [Syncro_T3_Australia] Water tanks [1 Attachment]
Hi Greg,I have also been pondering how to deal with the combination of bicycle carrier plus water and extra fuel for future trips. We have 100 litres of water capacity in 2 x 50 litres side tanks. Given that I struggle to get a full 70 litres into the fuel tank, extra petrol is always going to the issue. Much like you, leaving the bikes behind isn't an option.Where exactly do your 45l of water "up front" live assuming your spare wheel is in the standard location?One option is to increase the capacity of the side tanks and then dedicate one to fuel and one to water. This company seems to have been able to squeeze 80 litre capacity each side (translate via Google).Attached is a pic of our current set up. Tomorrow we take on the Barry Way north through to Jindabyne. Last time I did it was on a push bike with a trailer. A fair bit of altitude gain for either set up.<1544541_10153714526080099_726234607_n.jpeg>Jon.On 08/01/2014, at 12:00 PM, Greg Esposito <gregespo73@yahoo.com> wrote:Sorry Les I must have worded that badly as that is what I am proposing. Fuel tank on left side between chassis rails and rocker, 40l water on right and 45l water up front. All baffled and protected. Jerry cans are a lot simpler option however due to the fact that Alice and I are bicycle obsessed and the need for a swing out wheel carrier there will be no room left on the already bulging bustle. Thanks Skot, yes I think you are right. The old adage of "all your eggs in one basket" applies to most facets of outback travel.From: Les Harris <leslieharris@optusnet.com.au>
To: Syncro_T3_Australia@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Wednesday, 8 January 2014 11:30 AM
Subject: RE: [Syncro_T3_Australia] Water tanks
Greg,From a safety point of view, a fuel tank under your feet and at the most vulnerable end of the vehicle is not a good idea. If you need extra fuel range, a tank in the same place as most water tanks is a lot safer but still demands very solid construction and very well protected fuel hoses. My preference would be for good quality Jerry cans at the rear of the vehicle.A person with your skills could replicate the sort of carriers made by Gary Lee:LesFrom: Syncro_T3_Australia@yahoogroups.com [mailto:Syncro_T3_Australia@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of gregespo73@yahoo.com
Sent: 08 January 2014 10:56
To: Syncro_T3_Australia@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [Syncro_T3_Australia] Water tanksMorning all. In the process of getting my interior sorted and as an of shoot of this I would like to sort water storage. Currently have about 45l stored in a fiberglass belly tank and 15l in the cabin. What I want to ask those who have experience traveling through Australia 's deserts is how much water do you take - worst case scenario. I am thinking of fitting an extra tank in the unused spare wheel well and a fuel tank opposite the current tank. Thoughts?
Hi Jon, Funny, I remember Gary saying a syncro owner came in. Yes similar to that Gary Lee rack in that I want the spare on the left only all the way over to the left. I also want the bikes upright (x3) but with the front wheels off and the forks in QR clamps. So it would be a bit of a 40/60 split. The big difference though is that I will build an external frame for the two units to swing off, like an exoskeleton (no terminator jokes) similar to this.
Are you in Melbourne Jon? If so you can check out these tanks when I get them. Greg
From: Jon Bartlett <mail@jaybe.net>
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Sent: Sunday, 26 January 2014 7:32 PM
Subject: Re: [Syncro_T3_Australia] Water tanks
To: Syncro_T3_Australia@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Sunday, 26 January 2014 7:32 PM
Subject: Re: [Syncro_T3_Australia] Water tanks
Hi Greg,
Polypropylene might be the way forward. Our tanks have started to impart a distinct metallic taste on the water. I am going to give them a good flush through and clean. Any tips from others appreciated. Might try baking soda then Miltons.
We were toying with the idea of a cargo bike a few months back and visited Cargo Cycles. Gary(?) was very interested when we turned up in the van as he said he was a former syncro owner and used to hang around the forums. Your name was also mentioned.
How do you intend to attach the bikes to the rear of the van with a swing out tyre carrier? Like this? http://www.telusplanet.net/public/gary2a/rack/ladder/ladder2bike/ladder2bike.htm
Jon.
On 22/01/2014, at 8:24 AM, Greg Esposito <gregespo73@yahoo.com> wrote:
Hi Jon, Good to see keen cyclists on the forum. I am looking at having a tank made for the spare wheel well and a new one for the rhs. This is all dependant on me making the swing out carrier of course. I have found a guy who makes them out of polypropylene food grade material. I will keep you and the forum informed of my progress.By the way Jon trade in the trailer for one of these. http://www.cargocycles.com.au/bikes/cargo-bikes-melbourne/yuba-mundo-cargo-bike/yuba-mundo-v4-detailThe only way to roll will littleins. GregFrom: Jon Bartlett <mail@jaybe.net>
To: Syncro_T3_Australia@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Tuesday, 21 January 2014 9:30 PM
Subject: Re: [Syncro_T3_Australia] Water tanks [1 Attachment]
Hi Greg,I have also been pondering how to deal with the combination of bicycle carrier plus water and extra fuel for future trips. We have 100 litres of water capacity in 2 x 50 litres side tanks. Given that I struggle to get a full 70 litres into the fuel tank, extra petrol is always going to the issue. Much like you, leaving the bikes behind isn't an option.Where exactly do your 45l of water "up front" live assuming your spare wheel is in the standard location?One option is to increase the capacity of the side tanks and then dedicate one to fuel and one to water. This company seems to have been able to squeeze 80 litre capacity each side (translate via Google).Attached is a pic of our current set up. Tomorrow we take on the Barry Way north through to Jindabyne. Last time I did it was on a push bike with a trailer. A fair bit of altitude gain for either set up.<1544541_10153714526080099_726234607_n.jpeg>Jon.On 08/01/2014, at 12:00 PM, Greg Esposito <gregespo73@yahoo.com> wrote:Sorry Les I must have worded that badly as that is what I am proposing. Fuel tank on left side between chassis rails and rocker, 40l water on right and 45l water up front. All baffled and protected. Jerry cans are a lot simpler option however due to the fact that Alice and I are bicycle obsessed and the need for a swing out wheel carrier there will be no room left on the already bulging bustle. Thanks Skot, yes I think you are right. The old adage of "all your eggs in one basket" applies to most facets of outback travel.From: Les Harris <leslieharris@optusnet.com.au>
To: Syncro_T3_Australia@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Wednesday, 8 January 2014 11:30 AM
Subject: RE: [Syncro_T3_Australia] Water tanks
Greg,From a safety point of view, a fuel tank under your feet and at the most vulnerable end of the vehicle is not a good idea. If you need extra fuel range, a tank in the same place as most water tanks is a lot safer but still demands very solid construction and very well protected fuel hoses. My preference would be for good quality Jerry cans at the rear of the vehicle.A person with your skills could replicate the sort of carriers made by Gary Lee:LesFrom: Syncro_T3_Australia@yahoogroups.com [mailto:Syncro_T3_Australia@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of gregespo73@yahoo.com
Sent: 08 January 2014 10:56
To: Syncro_T3_Australia@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [Syncro_T3_Australia] Water tanksMorning all. In the process of getting my interior sorted and as an of shoot of this I would like to sort water storage. Currently have about 45l stored in a fiberglass belly tank and 15l in the cabin. What I want to ask those who have experience traveling through Australia 's deserts is how much water do you take - worst case scenario. I am thinking of fitting an extra tank in the unused spare wheel well and a fuel tank opposite the current tank. Thoughts?
Jon,
From memory, Ken Garratt posted a comprehensive document on cleaning water tanks some years ago. He probably put it in Files also.
Les
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Sent: 26 January 2014 19:32
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Subject: Re: [Syncro_T3_Australia]
Water tanks
Hi Greg,
Polypropylene might be the way forward. Our tanks have started to impart a distinct metallic taste on the water. I am going to give them a good flush through and clean. Any tips from others appreciated. Might try baking soda then Miltons .
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Hi Greg,
Sounds good. Keep us all posted on build progress.
We were in Melbourne but have just relocated to the Southern Highlands, NSW (for the present anyway having done the Victoria to NSW move twice now). Would be interested to see some pictures of the tanks when you get them.
Jon.
On 26/01/2014, at 10:11 PM, Greg Esposito <gregespo73@yahoo.com> wrote:
Hi Jon, Funny, I remember Gary saying a syncro owner came in. Yes similar to that Gary Lee rack in that I want the spare on the left only all the way over to the left. I also want the bikes upright (x3) but with the front wheels off and the forks in QR clamps. So it would be a bit of a 40/60 split. The big difference though is that I will build an external frame for the two units to swing off, like an exoskeleton (no terminator jokes) similar to this.Are you in Melbourne Jon? If so you can check out these tanks when I get them. GregFrom: Jon Bartlett <mail@jaybe.net>
To: Syncro_T3_Australia@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Sunday, 26 January 2014 7:32 PM
Subject: Re: [Syncro_T3_Australia] Water tanks
Hi Greg,Polypropylene might be the way forward. Our tanks have started to impart a distinct metallic taste on the water. I am going to give them a good flush through and clean. Any tips from others appreciated. Might try baking soda then Miltons.We were toying with the idea of a cargo bike a few months back and visited Cargo Cycles. Gary(?) was very interested when we turned up in the van as he said he was a former syncro owner and used to hang around the forums. Your name was also mentioned.How do you intend to attach the bikes to the rear of the van with a swing out tyre carrier? Like this? http://www.telusplanet.net/public/gary2a/rack/ladder/ladder2bike/ladder2bike.htmJon.On 22/01/2014, at 8:24 AM, Greg Esposito <gregespo73@yahoo.com> wrote:Hi Jon, Good to see keen cyclists on the forum. I am looking at having a tank made for the spare wheel well and a new one for the rhs. This is all dependant on me making the swing out carrier of course. I have found a guy who makes them out of polypropylene food grade material. I will keep you and the forum informed of my progress.By the way Jon trade in the trailer for one of these. http://www.cargocycles.com.au/bikes/cargo-bikes-melbourne/yuba-mundo-cargo-bike/yuba-mundo-v4-detailThe only way to roll will littleins. GregFrom: Jon Bartlett <mail@jaybe.net>
To: Syncro_T3_Australia@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Tuesday, 21 January 2014 9:30 PM
Subject: Re: [Syncro_T3_Australia] Water tanks [1 Attachment]
Hi Greg,I have also been pondering how to deal with the combination of bicycle carrier plus water and extra fuel for future trips. We have 100 litres of water capacity in 2 x 50 litres side tanks. Given that I struggle to get a full 70 litres into the fuel tank, extra petrol is always going to the issue. Much like you, leaving the bikes behind isn't an option.Where exactly do your 45l of water "up front" live assuming your spare wheel is in the standard location?One option is to increase the capacity of the side tanks and then dedicate one to fuel and one to water. This company seems to have been able to squeeze 80 litre capacity each side (translate via Google).Attached is a pic of our current set up. Tomorrow we take on the Barry Way north through to Jindabyne. Last time I did it was on a push bike with a trailer. A fair bit of altitude gain for either set up.<1544541_10153714526080099_726234607_n.jpeg>Jon.On 08/01/2014, at 12:00 PM, Greg Esposito <gregespo73@yahoo.com> wrote:Sorry Les I must have worded that badly as that is what I am proposing. Fuel tank on left side between chassis rails and rocker, 40l water on right and 45l water up front. All baffled and protected. Jerry cans are a lot simpler option however due to the fact that Alice and I are bicycle obsessed and the need for a swing out wheel carrier there will be no room left on the already bulging bustle. Thanks Skot, yes I think you are right. The old adage of "all your eggs in one basket" applies to most facets of outback travel.From: Les Harris <leslieharris@optusnet.com.au>
To: Syncro_T3_Australia@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Wednesday, 8 January 2014 11:30 AM
Subject: RE: [Syncro_T3_Australia] Water tanks
Greg,From a safety point of view, a fuel tank under your feet and at the most vulnerable end of the vehicle is not a good idea. If you need extra fuel range, a tank in the same place as most water tanks is a lot safer but still demands very solid construction and very well protected fuel hoses. My preference would be for good quality Jerry cans at the rear of the vehicle.A person with your skills could replicate the sort of carriers made by Gary Lee:LesFrom: Syncro_T3_Australia@yahoogroups.com [mailto:Syncro_T3_Australia@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of gregespo73@yahoo.com
Sent: 08 January 2014 10:56
To: Syncro_T3_Australia@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [Syncro_T3_Australia] Water tanksMorning all. In the process of getting my interior sorted and as an of shoot of this I would like to sort water storage. Currently have about 45l stored in a fiberglass belly tank and 15l in the cabin. What I want to ask those who have experience traveling through Australia 's deserts is how much water do you take - worst case scenario. I am thinking of fitting an extra tank in the unused spare wheel well and a fuel tank opposite the current tank. Thoughts?
Hi Jon,
Good time to check our tank water. Christine could not tell the difference between our filtered water & our stainless steel tank water.
It is really amazing considering it was leftover water from our Tassie tour 10 months ago.
I cleaned the tank sometime ago according to Ken's sugestion but also use "Drinking Water Freshener" made by VALTERRA USA.
Thanks for the tip about the solar panels, the shop is a bit of a mess but the prices are right.
Cheers
Theo & Christine
From: Syncro_T3_Australia@yahoogroups.com [mailto:Syncro_T3_Australia@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Jon Bartlett
Sent: Sunday, 26 January 2014 7:32 PM
To: Syncro_T3_Australia@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [Syncro_T3_Australia] Water tanks
Hi Greg,
Polypropylene might be the way forward. Our tanks have started to impart a distinct metallic taste on the water. I am going to give them a good flush through and clean. Any tips from others appreciated. Might try baking soda then Miltons.