Wheel Nuts

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Mag nut with washer as per jpg.
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How does the flat washer properly center the wheel? The ball and cone seats effectively do that. Seems to me the studs would need to a tight fit in the hole as T3 Syncros are lug centric rather than hub centric.

Thoughts?



BenT

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On Nov 27, 2011, at 4:49 PM, plander@optusnet.com.au wrote:

> Mag nut with washer as per jpg.
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> Yahoo! Groups Links
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> <acorn-mag-ball-seats.jpg>
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Yes, they are a tight fit.



> BenT Syncro <syncro@gmail.com> wrote:
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> How does the flat washer properly center the wheel? The ball and cone
> seats effectively do that. Seems to me the studs would need to a tight
> fit in the hole as T3 Syncros are lug centric rather than hub centric.
>
> Thoughts?
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> BenT
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> sent from my electronic leash
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> On Nov 27, 2011, at 4:49 PM, plander@optusnet.com.au wrote:
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> > Mag nut with washer as per jpg.
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> > ------------------------------------
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> > Yahoo! Groups Links
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> > <acorn-mag-ball-seats.jpg>
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We call them bogan nuts.

> > BenT Syncro <syncro@gmail.com> wrote:
> >
> > How does the flat washer properly center the wheel? The ball and cone
> > seats effectively do that. Seems to me the studs would need to a tight
>
> > fit in the hole as T3 Syncros are lug centric rather than hub centric.
> >
> > Thoughts?
> >
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Bogan sounds like the American word 'redneck'.


BenT

sent from my electronic leash

On Nov 27, 2011, at 5:05 PM, plander@optusnet.com.au wrote:

> We call them bogan nuts.
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>>> BenT Syncro <syncro@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>
>>> How does the flat washer properly center the wheel? The ball and cone
>>> seats effectively do that. Seems to me the studs would need to a tight
>>
>>> fit in the hole as T3 Syncros are lug centric rather than hub centric.
>>>
>>> Thoughts?
>>>
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> ------------------------------------
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> Yahoo! Groups Links
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Ben also the spigot part of the nut centers the wheel and i believe the washer just stops the hex digging into the mag. regards Pete

--- In Syncro_T3_Australia@yahoogroups.com, BenT Syncro <syncro@...> wrote:
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> How does the flat washer properly center the wheel? The ball and cone seats effectively do that. Seems to me the studs would need to a tight fit in the hole as T3 Syncros are lug centric rather than hub centric.
>
> Thoughts?
>
>
>
> BenT
>
> sent from my electronic leash
>
> On Nov 27, 2011, at 4:49 PM, plander@... wrote:
>
> > Mag nut with washer as per jpg.
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > ------------------------------------
> >
> > Yahoo! Groups Links
> >
> >
> >
> > <acorn-mag-ball-seats.jpg>
>
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Correct!



> BenT Syncro <syncro@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> Bogan sounds like the American word 'redneck'.
>
>
> BenT
>
> sent from my electronic leash
>
> On Nov 27, 2011, at 5:05 PM, plander@optusnet.com.au wrote:
>
> > We call them bogan nuts.
> >
> >>> BenT Syncro <syncro@gmail.com> wrote:
> >>>
> >>> How does the flat washer properly center the wheel? The ball and
> cone
> >>> seats effectively do that. Seems to me the studs would need to a
> tight
> >>
> >>> fit in the hole as T3 Syncros are lug centric rather than hub
> centric.
> >>>
> >>> Thoughts?
> >>>
> >
> >
> > ------------------------------------
> >
> > Yahoo! Groups Links
> >
> >
> >
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I have never understood that system of mounting mag wheels..
as there is no centering action from some sort of taper.
 
furthermore ..
they are just hard to get started, and undo.
Since the straight part of the nut has to fit 'just right' into the straight hole..
they are generally just a pain to deal with ....
like the nuts will be very draggy as they are turned into the wheel...
 
where either a ball face nut,
or a taper ( like stock VW 14 inch alloy wheels use ) ..
either of those is fine ..
 
but the mag type with flat washer ..
just not a good system at all !
I can't imagine why it was ever invented.
I put up with them on a small two wheel trailer I own ..
it was like that when I got  it ..so I just live with it.
 
but not a system you want on any 'keeper' or serious on road or off road machine.
Seriously, they make changing a wheel about 5 times harder than any ball face or straight taper system.
 
 
----- Original Message -----
Sent: Sunday, November 27, 2011 5:01 PM
Subject: Re: [Syncro_T3_Australia] Wheel Nuts

 

How does the flat washer properly center the wheel? The ball and cone seats effectively do that. Seems to me the studs would need to a tight fit in the hole as T3 Syncros are lug centric rather than hub centric.

Thoughts?

BenT

sent from my electronic leash

On Nov 27, 2011, at 4:49 PM, plander@optusnet.com.au wrote:

> Mag nut with washer as per jpg.
>
>
>
>
> ------------------------------------
>
> Yahoo! Groups Links
>
>
>
> <acorn-mag-ball-seats.jpg>

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Those flat washer type of hardware works fine on hubcentric wheels ad there is a separate mechanism to hold the wheel. Once on that ridge, mounting is easy as pie.

Of course, the lugcentric T3 is a totally different story. I will agree that this sort of wheel attachment is less than ideal in this application. 



BenT

sent from my electronic leash

On Nov 28, 2011, at 5:59 PM, "Scott Daniel  - Turbovans" <ScottDaniel@turbovans.com> wrote:

I have never understood that system of mounting mag wheels..
as there is no centering action from some sort of taper.
 
furthermore ..
they are just hard to get started, and undo.
Since the straight part of the nut has to fit 'just right' into the straight hole..
they are generally just a pain to deal with ....
like the nuts will be very draggy as they are turned into the wheel...
 
where either a ball face nut,
or a taper ( like stock VW 14 inch alloy wheels use ) ..
either of those is fine ..
 
but the mag type with flat washer ..
just not a good system at all !
I can't imagine why it was ever invented.
I put up with them on a small two wheel trailer I own ..
it was like that when I got  it ..so I just live with it.
 
but not a system you want on any 'keeper' or serious on road or off road machine.
Seriously, they make changing a wheel about 5 times harder than any ball face or straight taper system.
 
 
----- Original Message -----
Sent: Sunday, November 27, 2011 5:01 PM
Subject: Re: [Syncro_T3_Australia] Wheel Nuts

 

How does the flat washer properly center the wheel? The ball and cone seats effectively do that. Seems to me the studs would need to a tight fit in the hole as T3 Syncros are lug centric rather than hub centric.

Thoughts?

BenT

sent from my electronic leash

On Nov 27, 2011, at 4:49 PM, plander@optusnet.com.au wrote:

> Mag nut with washer as per jpg.
>
>
>
>
> ------------------------------------
>
> Yahoo! Groups Links
>
>
>
> <acorn-mag-ball-seats.jpg>

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This is an attempt to make a thick wheel fit on to studs that are too short but the thinking is very muddle headed.  The thread inside the spigot does not contribute anything to holding the wheel and the effective number of threads in each nut is probably about two.  And that’s quite apart from the location issue!

Les


On Nov 28, 2011, at 5:59 PM, "Scott Daniel  - Turbovans" <ScottDaniel@turbovans.com> wrote:

I have never understood that system of mounting mag wheels..

as there is no centering action from some sort of taper.

 

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Scott I am getting the slight impression that you do not favour these nuts.

Phill



> Scott Daniel - Turbovans <ScottDaniel@turbovans.com> wrote:
>
> I have never understood that system of mounting mag wheels..
> as there is no centering action from some sort of taper.
>
> furthermore ..
> they are just hard to get started, and undo.
> Since the straight part of the nut has to fit 'just right' into the
> straight hole..
> they are generally just a pain to deal with ....
> like the nuts will be very draggy as they are turned into the wheel...
>
> where either a ball face nut,
> or a taper ( like stock VW 14 inch alloy wheels use ) ..
> either of those is fine ..
>
> but the mag type with flat washer ..
> just not a good system at all !
> I can't imagine why it was ever invented.
> I put up with them on a small two wheel trailer I own ..
> it was like that when I got it ..so I just live with it.
>
> but not a system you want on any 'keeper' or serious on road or off road
> machine.
> Seriously, they make changing a wheel about 5 times harder than any ball
> face or straight taper system.
>
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: BenT Syncro
> To: Syncro_T3_Australia@yahoogroups.com
> Sent: Sunday, November 27, 2011 5:01 PM
> Subject: Re: [Syncro_T3_Australia] Wheel Nuts
>
>
>
> How does the flat washer properly center the wheel? The ball and cone
> seats effectively do that. Seems to me the studs would need to a tight
> fit in the hole as T3 Syncros are lug centric rather than hub centric.
>
> Thoughts?
>
> BenT
>
> sent from my electronic leash
>
> On Nov 27, 2011, at 4:49 PM, plander@optusnet.com.au wrote:
>
> > Mag nut with washer as per jpg.
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > ------------------------------------
> >
> > Yahoo! Groups Links
> >
> >
> >
> > <acorn-mag-ball-seats.jpg>
>
>
>
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Personally, I like salty cashews and chocolate covered macadamia instead.;-)



BenT

sent from my nutcracker

On Nov 28, 2011, at 7:13 PM, plander@optusnet.com.au wrote:

> Scott I am getting the slight impression that you do not favour these nuts.
>
> Phill
>
>
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>> Scott Daniel - Turbovans <ScottDaniel@turbovans.com> wrote:
>>
>> I have never understood that system of mounting mag wheels..
>> as there is no centering action from some sort of taper.
>>
>> furthermore ..
>> they are just hard to get started, and undo.
>> Since the straight part of the nut has to fit 'just right' into the
>> straight hole..
>> they are generally just a pain to deal with ....
>> like the nuts will be very draggy as they are turned into the wheel...
>>
>> where either a ball face nut,
>> or a taper ( like stock VW 14 inch alloy wheels use ) ..
>> either of those is fine ..
>>
>> but the mag type with flat washer ..
>> just not a good system at all !
>> I can't imagine why it was ever invented.
>> I put up with them on a small two wheel trailer I own ..
>> it was like that when I got it ..so I just live with it.
>>
>> but not a system you want on any 'keeper' or serious on road or off road
>> machine.
>> Seriously, they make changing a wheel about 5 times harder than any ball
>> face or straight taper system.
>>
>>
>> -----