engineers

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Yeah Ben the rears,I think they are bigger and you never(almost) have to replace T4 rear shoes.(thats probably got to do with the front braking efficiency).Just wondering if it has been done.

--- In Syncro_T3_Australia@yahoogroups.com, BenT Syncro <syncro@...> wrote:
>
> On Jul 7, 2010, at 11:58 PM, "bencroft96" <bencroft96@...> wrote:
>
> > Group,picked up my big BMW e30 booster today,and are looking into
> > all options for bigger brakes on the front.Does anyone know if/or it
> > is possible to convert T4 drums onto T3?
> > Also replaced timing belt,waterpump and all idlers on my EJ25 motor
> > today.What a great little engine to work on.
>
>
> Surely you mean T4 rear drums, right?Since most of the stopping duties
> are done by the front brakes, it does not seem cost effective to do
> anything with the rears. Besides a using a good quality rear brake
> shoe, I would get the shoes arched to match the drums. I have found
> that to be more than adequate for normal driving conditions.
>
> Sorry, I have no experience with T4 drums. Coincidentally, I was at my
> friend's shop yesterday and just came to the realization that some T4
> models still ran with rear drums. From what I saw, they are larger
> than T3 drums. Remember that T4's are FWD. There will likely be
> differences in the hub section. I would imagine putting these drums on
> a T3 would require adapting the backing plates which had ABS hubs
> protruding on the backside. Too much work for little gain in my opinion.
>
>
>
> Cheers,
>
> BenT
>
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On Jul 8, 2010, at 2:23 AM, "bencroft96" <bencroft96@yahoo.com> wrote:

> Yeah Ben the rears,I think they are bigger and you never(almost)
> have to replace T4 rear shoes.(thats probably got to do with the
> front braking efficiency).Just wondering if it has been done.


I have never heard of anyone even proposing it. Probably for good
reason. They look bigger but not similar enough. Much easier to put
Syncro 16 drums if you feel it is needed. However, 16" drums are about
€269 each not to mention the rest of the hardware. That kind if coin
buys an awful lot of 14" drums and shoes. Or add rear discs.

Perhaps you are trying to solve a problem that doesn't really exist.
Have you had problems with your present drum brakes?


BenT
63
No probs mate,just checking it out.

--- In Syncro_T3_Australia@yahoogroups.com, BenT Syncro <syncro@...> wrote:
>
> On Jul 8, 2010, at 2:23 AM, "bencroft96" <bencroft96@...> wrote:
>
> > Yeah Ben the rears,I think they are bigger and you never(almost)
> > have to replace T4 rear shoes.(thats probably got to do with the
> > front braking efficiency).Just wondering if it has been done.
>
>
> I have never heard of anyone even proposing it. Probably for good
> reason. They look bigger but not similar enough. Much easier to put
> Syncro 16 drums if you feel it is needed. However, 16" drums are about
> €269 each not to mention the rest of the hardware. That kind if coin
> buys an awful lot of 14" drums and shoes. Or add rear discs.
>
> Perhaps you are trying to solve a problem that doesn't really exist.
> Have you had problems with your present drum brakes?
>
>
> BenT
>
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OIC. Don't let your budget get out of hand before you have a chance to
enjoy your Syncro. BTDT.


Cheers,

BenT

On Jul 8, 2010, at 2:48 AM, "bencroft96" <bencroft96@yahoo.com> wrote:

> No probs mate,just checking it out.
>
> --- In Syncro_T3_Australia@yahoogroups.com, BenT Syncro <syncro@...>
> wrote:
>>
>> I have never heard of anyone even proposing it. Probably for good
>> reason. They look bigger but not similar enough. Much easier to put
>> Syncro 16 drums if you feel it is needed. However, 16" drums are
>> about
>> €269 each not to mention the rest of the hardware. That kind
>> if coin
>> buys an awful lot of 14" drums and shoes. Or add rear discs.
>>
>> Perhaps you are trying to solve a problem that doesn't really exist.
>> Have you had problems with your present drum brakes?
>>
>>
>> BenT
65
Hello All
I've had a look at the archives but can't seem to find
the answer to my question.

What was the best solution for the Coolant Pipe replacement seeing as
the Original are no longer available?

Thank you

Bruce
66
Bruce,
First cab off the rank should be assessing if you can remedy the pipe end defect/s. For example, say 3 to 4 years ago, I found the join end on the hot (feed) plastic pipe nearest the radiator was leaking and that's when I first had to come to grips with a solution.
 
For more info on the above solution, goto: http://www.gowesty.com/library_article.php?id=113
 
This is what I used and still have the unused kit components stored for future use on the other joints. Touch wood I've not had a problem since. Take the opportunity to clean out as far as you can reach with a long pipe brush up both plastic pipes, I got a lot of crud out of my pipes. Bit of a worry.
 
Alternatives seem to be stainless steel pipes sourced from overseas, heh maybe you'll be the first proud owner in Oz of a SS set?

Bruce, you can't take it with you, drag out and dust off the stash of cash from under the bed ok.
 
Does this mean you are cancelling Valla?
 
Cheers.
 
Ken 
To: Syncro_T3_Australia@yahoogroups.com
From: royalb@aapt.net.au
Date: Thu, 8 Jul 2010 20:44:14 +1000
Subject: [Syncro_T3_Australia] Coolant Pipes

 
Hello All
I've had a look at the archives but can't seem to find
the answer to my question.

What was the best solution for the Coolant Pipe replacement seeing as
the Original are no longer available?

Thank you

Bruce


Find it on Domain.com.au Need a new place to live?
67
> Have you had problems with your present drum brakes?
>
>
> BenT

The adjusters have never worked from new.
68
> Bruce, you can't take it with you, drag out and dust off the stash of
> cash from under the bed ok.
>

Ken, he has daughters.
69
Are they really no longer available or is this just another myth?

I was told by a friend of a friend who knew a guy from the fruit shop who had a brother who once worked on a Volkswagen said that they were NLA.



> Alison & Bruce Black <royalb@aapt.net.au> wrote:
>
> Hello All
> I've had a look at the archives but can't seem to find
> the answer to my question.
>
> What was the best solution for the Coolant Pipe replacement seeing as
> the Original are no longer available?
>
> Thank you
>
> Bruce
70
any chance the adjusters are on the wrong sides ?
they're mirror images of each other...and need to be on the correct side.
I've never had any that wouldn't work.
maybe I had to clean and lube things ...but they normally work just fine.
 
Scott - turbovans
----- Original Message -----
Sent: Thursday, July 08, 2010 2:03 PM
Subject: Re: Re: [Syncro_T3_Australia] Re: improved braking

 



> Have you had problems with your present drum brakes?
>
>
> BenT

The adjusters have never worked from new.

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On Thu, Jul 8, 2010 at 2:32 PM, Scott Daniel - Turbovans <ScottDaniel@turbovans.com> wrote:


any chance the adjusters are on the wrong sides ?
they're mirror images of each other...and need to be on the correct side.
I've never had any that wouldn't work.
maybe I had to clean and lube things ...but they normally work just fine.
Scott - turbovans
Scott,
I believe Phill means they are just poorly designed.
--
BenT
72
From new mine have never worked. Maybe I have defective parts?????



> BenT Syncro <syncro@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> On Thu, Jul 8, 2010 at 2:32 PM, Scott Daniel - Turbovans <
> ScottDaniel@turbovans.com> wrote:
>
> >
> >
> > any chance the adjusters are on the wrong sides ?
> > they're mirror images of each other...and need to be on the correct
> side.
> > I've never had any that wouldn't work.
> > maybe I had to clean and lube things ...but they normally work just
> fine.
> >
> > Scott - turbovans
> >
>
>
> Scott,
>
> I believe Phill means they are just poorly designed.
>
> --
> BenT
73
That might be the case. If so, why haven't you replaced them?


BenT

Sent from my working adjusters

On Jul 8, 2010, at 4:21 PM, plander@optusnet.com.au wrote:

From new mine have never worked. Maybe I have defective parts?????
74
thanks Ben,
he did say 'never worked'
but ..
the other post about T3 drum brakes are lousy,
but T2's are better .
T3 is a vanagon ..yes ?
as drum brakes go, they work just fine.
and believe me, I am very willing to point out poor design or funcionality.
 
 
----- Original Message -----
Sent: Thursday, July 08, 2010 4:07 PM
Subject: Re: Re: [Syncro_T3_Australia] Re: improved braking

 

On Thu, Jul 8, 2010 at 2:32 PM, Scott Daniel - Turbovans <ScottDaniel@ turbovans. com> wrote:


any chance the adjusters are on the wrong sides ?
they're mirror images of each other...and need to be on the correct side.
I've never had any that wouldn't work.
maybe I had to clean and lube things ...but they normally work just fine.
 
Scott - turbovans
 
 
Scott,
 
I believe Phill means they are just poorly designed.
 
--
BenT

75
I may have to see what is still available new.
Where do I start?
It could even be the backing plate or cyl?????????



> BenT Syncro <syncro@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> That might be the case. If so, why haven't you replaced them?
>
>
> BenT
>
> Sent from my working adjusters
>
> On Jul 8, 2010, at 4:21 PM, plander@optusnet.com.au wrote:
>
> > From new mine have never worked. Maybe I have defective parts?????
76
Bruce,be sure that it is the pipes, and not just dodgy hose clamps.I run 2 hose clamps at each end.
Do some research on the SS pipes,you might change your mind.

--- In Syncro_T3_Australia@yahoogroups.com, Ken Garratt <unclekenz@...> wrote:
>
>
> Bruce,
>
> First cab off the rank should be assessing if you can remedy the pipe end defect/s. For example, say 3 to 4 years ago, I found the join end on the hot (feed) plastic pipe nearest the radiator was leaking and that's when I first had to come to grips with a solution.
>
>
>
> For more info on the above solution, goto: http://www.gowesty.com/library_article.php?id=113
>
>
>
> This is what I used and still have the unused kit components stored for future use on the other joints. Touch wood I've not had a problem since. Take the opportunity to clean out as far as you can reach with a long pipe brush up both plastic pipes, I got a lot of crud out of my pipes. Bit of a worry.
>
>
>
> Alternatives seem to be stainless steel pipes sourced from overseas, heh maybe you'll be the first proud owner in Oz of a SS set?
>
>
> Bruce, you can't take it with you, drag out and dust off the stash of cash from under the bed ok.
>
>
>
> Does this mean you are cancelling Valla?
>
>
>
> Cheers.
>
>
>
> Ken
>
>
> To: Syncro_T3_Australia@yahoogroups.com
> From: royalb@...
> Date: Thu, 8 Jul 2010 20:44:14 +1000
> Subject: [Syncro_T3_Australia] Coolant Pipes
>
>
>
>
>
> Hello All
> I've had a look at the archives but can't seem to find
> the answer to my question.
>
> What was the best solution for the Coolant Pipe replacement seeing as
> the Original are no longer available?
>
> Thank you
>
> Bruce
>
>
>
>
> _________________________________________________________________
> Need a new place to live? Find it on Domain.com.au
> http://clk.atdmt.com/NMN/go/157631292/direct/01/
>
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On Thu, Jul 8, 2010 at 4:34 PM, <plander@optusnet.com.au> wrote:
I may have to see what is still available new.
Where do I start?
It could even be the backing plate or cyl?????????
I see several vendors are selling the springs and other hardware but that was all. I imagine they are still available new. Otherwise, let me know and I will get you the pieces used. Besides the backing plates, the rest are small enough to throw in a padded envelop.
Details later. I'm driving.;-(
--
BenT
78
On Thu, Jul 8, 2010 at 4:33 PM, Scott Daniel - Turbovans <ScottDaniel@turbovans.com> wrote:


thanks Ben,
he did say 'never worked'
but ..
the other post about T3 drum brakes are lousy,
but T2's are better .
T3 is a vanagon ..yes ?
as drum brakes go, they work just fine.
and believe me, I am very willing to point out poor design or funcionality.
Yes, Scott. T3 as in Vanagon vs. T2 as in Baywindow. If you have access to that recent discussion on the Vanagon List regarding adjusting rear brakes, please post here. I am referring to the posting by Dennis Haynes re: adding shims and such.
I am not using a laptop which makes email search slow as molasses in winter, as they say.
--
BenT
79
what is the exact problem ?
poor braking action..
or won't self-adjust ?  or ?
 
They're quite excellent for 'what they are' ..
I have zero problems with them.
 
I might have a few minor tricks getting them installed and adjusted ..
but , for what they are, they should work just fine.
 
----- Original Message -----
Sent: Thursday, July 08, 2010 4:21 PM
Subject: Re: Re: Re: [Syncro_T3_Australia] Re: improved braking

 

From new mine have never worked. Maybe I have defective parts?????

> BenT Syncro <syncro@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> On Thu, Jul 8, 2010 at 2:32 PM, Scott Daniel - Turbovans <
> ScottDaniel@turbovans.com> wrote:
>
> >
> >
> > any chance the adjusters are on the wrong sides ?
> > they're mirror images of each other...and need to be on the correct
> side.
> > I've never had any that wouldn't work.
> > maybe I had to clean and lube things ...but they normally work just
> fine.
> >
> > Scott - turbovans
> >
>
>
> Scott,
>
> I believe Phill means they are just poorly designed.
>
> --
> BenT

80
OK, I caved in and used the phone to search the topic. Credit this posting to Mark Drillock not Dennis Haynes. Dennis was talking about shimming the rear shoes to make them more effective and let them line up with the adjuster. Mark said the following (clipped intro): BenT
There is another possibility for poor parking brake performance. If someone has misadjusted the cable then the small lever inside the brake drum can bottom out on a metal surface BEFORE the shoes are pushed into the drum. When this happens the brake won't hold the vehicle no matter how hard the handbrake lever is pulled. This is a common problem. It is often due to a non-working self adjusting mechanism in the rear brakes. As the brake shoes wear the self adjuster is supposed to compensate. When it does not,the parking brake will get looser and someone may decide to simply tighten the cable nut to try to improve the parking brake. This is a bad thing to do as it does not fix the true problem but only masks it for a while.

The Bentley says to loosen the parking cable nut as one of the first steps in repairing the rear brakes. If this is not done, the result will eventually be a non-working parking brake. Once the rear brakes are repaired and everything is in spec THEN you tighten up the cable to adjust the parking brake. Driveway hacks screw this up all the time.

Mark


On Thu, Jul 8, 2010 at 4:55 PM, Scott Daniel - Turbovans <ScottDaniel@turbovans.com> wrote:


what is the exact problem ?
poor braking action..
or won't self-adjust ? or ?
They're quite excellent for 'what they are' ..
I have zero problems with them.
I might have a few minor tricks getting them installed and adjusted ..
but , for what they are, they should work just fine.