Exhaust sensors

Hi all I recently replaced my exhaust sensor. Was the original that I never changed when I rebuilt my engine aprx 15000 km ago.
I was always suffering from poor low down drivability issues due to over fueling. At traffic lights the car would bog down and and it got hot it got worse....then other times it was fine.

After changing it and having to splice it into the wiring the car is like a whole new car.

Very very pleased.



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Imagine all the gasoline wasted in all that time by not having it running really right.
Possibly rough on the engine  having it run rich ..
like rough on the oil.
They are real easy to check for good function too ...the oxygen sensor.


On 3/6/2013 1:32 PM, Hamish Dobson wrote:
 

Hi all I recently replaced my exhaust sensor. Was the original that I never changed when I rebuilt my engine aprx 15000 km ago.
I was always suffering from poor low down drivability issues due to over fueling. At traffic lights the car would bog down and and it got hot it got worse....then other times it was fine.

After changing it and having to splice it into the wiring the car is like a whole new car.

Very very pleased.

Sent from my iPhone


Scott,
 
What does a new Oxygen Sensor cost these days???
 
I remember being told my Oxygen Sensor was exhausted so mechanic disconnected it and the car went well disconnected for a long time.
 
Not Totally sure if its connected today because its in the shop getting the ten year old penrite synthetic transmission oil changed so I cant check.
 
I never replaced it.
 
I always check the fuel consumption as I always fill the tank.
 
Using 95 Super petrol Getting about 11.5 lt per 100k without decoupler or diflock etc. Motor is original 255,000km. purchased with 98,000km. The VC is probably also exhausted!
 
Oil consumption is 1 litre per 10,000km or less depending on type of driving ie city vs highway or dirt roads.
 
When I drove the car for some years without the drive shaft (so 2WD) I think I got about 10.5lt per 100k.
 
Other Syncros I have driven have had better acceleration than mine.
 
 
 

From: Scott Daniel - Turbovans <ScottDaniel@turbovans.com>
To: Syncro_T3_Australia@yahoogroups.com
Cc: Hamish Dobson <dobson_hamish@yahoo.com.au>
Sent: Wednesday, 6 March 2013 1:53 PM
Subject: Re: [Syncro_T3_Australia] Exhaust sensors
 
Imagine all the gasoline wasted in all that time by not having it running really right.
Possibly rough on the engine  having it run rich ..
like rough on the oil.
They are real easy to check for good function too ...the oxygen sensor.


On 3/6/2013 1:32 PM, Hamish Dobson wrote:
 
Hi all I recently replaced my exhaust sensor. Was the original that I never changed when I rebuilt my engine aprx 15000 km ago.
I was always suffering from poor low down drivability issues due to over fueling. At traffic lights the car would bog down and and it got hot it got worse....then other times it was fine.

After changing it and having to splice it into the wiring the car is like a whole new car.

Very very pleased.

Sent from my iPhone
120 from micks

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On 08/03/2013, at 5:07 PM, Philip Macrae <philipmacrae@yahoo.com.au> wrote:

Scott,
 
What does a new Oxygen Sensor cost these days???
 
I remember being told my Oxygen Sensor was exhausted so mechanic disconnected it and the car went well disconnected for a long time.
 
Not Totally sure if its connected today because its in the shop getting the ten year old penrite synthetic transmission oil changed so I cant check.
 
I never replaced it.
 
I always check the fuel consumption as I always fill the tank.
 
Using 95 Super petrol Getting about 11.5 lt per 100k without decoupler or diflock etc. Motor is original 255,000km. purchased with 98,000km. The VC is probably also exhausted!
 
Oil consumption is 1 litre per 10,000km or less depending on type of driving ie city vs highway or dirt roads.
 
When I drove the car for some years without the drive shaft (so 2WD) I think I got about 10.5lt per 100k.
 
Other Syncros I have driven have had better acceleration than mine.
 
 
 

From: Scott Daniel - Turbovans <ScottDaniel@turbovans.com>
To: Syncro_T3_Australia@yahoogroups.com
Cc: Hamish Dobson <dobson_hamish@yahoo.com.au>
Sent: Wednesday, 6 March 2013 1:53 PM
Subject: Re: [Syncro_T3_Australia] Exhaust sensors
 
Imagine all the gasoline wasted in all that time by not having it running really right.
Possibly rough on the engine  having it run rich ..
like rough on the oil.
They are real easy to check for good function too ...the oxygen sensor.


On 3/6/2013 1:32 PM, Hamish Dobson wrote:
 
Hi all I recently replaced my exhaust sensor. Was the original that I never changed when I rebuilt my engine aprx 15000 km ago.
I was always suffering from poor low down drivability issues due to over fueling. At traffic lights the car would bog down and and it got hot it got worse....then other times it was fine.

After changing it and having to splice it into the wiring the car is like a whole new car.

Very very pleased.

Sent from my iPhone
Hi Philip,
It's said the engine runs rich when the Oxy sensor is disconnected or has failed, so running the engine in that state long term may not be a good idea.
It's said the Oxy sensor may not sense so well if the internals of the Catalytic Converter are shot/non existent.
A useful thing to know is that if your van should ever have the symptoms of "Vanagon Syndrome", it's worth trying disconnecting the large green wire of the Oxy sensor leads ... this may help get you home.

Examples of Oxy Sensor pricing from usual US suppliers, plus shipping cost:
https://www.busdepot.com/13957
http://www.van-cafe.com/home/van_1223689737929/page_347_1217/oxygen_sensor_-_complete.html

Cheers.
Ken



To: Syncro_T3_Australia@yahoogroups.com
CC: dobson_hamish@yahoo.com.au
From: philipmacrae@yahoo.com.au
Date: Thu, 7 Mar 2013 23:07:58 -0800
Subject: Re: [Syncro_T3_Australia] Exhaust sensors

 

Scott,
 
What does a new Oxygen Sensor cost these days???
 
I remember being told my Oxygen Sensor was exhausted so mechanic disconnected it and the car went well disconnected for a long time.
 
Not Totally sure if its connected today because its in the shop getting the ten year old penrite synthetic transmission oil changed so I cant check.
 
I never replaced it.
 
I always check the fuel consumption as I always fill the tank.
 
Using 95 Super petrol Getting about 11.5 lt per 100k without decoupler or diflock etc. Motor is original 255,000km. purchased with 98,000km. The VC is probably also exhausted!
 
Oil consumption is 1 litre per 10,000km or less depending on type of driving ie city vs highway or dirt roads.
 
When I drove the car for some years without the drive shaft (so 2WD) I think I got about 10.5lt per 100k.
 
Other Syncros I have driven have had better acceleration than mine.
 
 
 

From: Scott Daniel - Turbovans <ScottDaniel@turbovans.com>
To: Syncro_T3_Australia@yahoogroups.com
Cc: Hamish Dobson <dobson_hamish@yahoo.com.au>
Sent: Wednesday, 6 March 2013 1:53 PM
Subject: Re: [Syncro_T3_Australia] Exhaust sensors
 
Imagine all the gasoline wasted in all that time by not having it running really right.
Possibly rough on the engine  having it run rich ..
like rough on the oil.
They are real easy to check for good function too ...the oxygen sensor.


On 3/6/2013 1:32 PM, Hamish Dobson wrote:
 
Hi all I recently replaced my exhaust sensor. Was the original that I never changed when I rebuilt my engine aprx 15000 km ago.
I was always suffering from poor low down drivability issues due to over fueling. At traffic lights the car would bog down and and it got hot it got worse....then other times it was fine.

After changing it and having to splice it into the wiring the car is like a whole new car.

Very very pleased.

Sent from my iPhone

Greetings all,
re how much does an 02 sensor cost . Here in Oregon an OE style one with the right connectors could be as high as $ 90 to 130 US .
An aftermarket generic Bosch one that you splice in might be $ 60 to 70 US.

I suppose having a hollow cat downstream of an 02 sensor could affect how it reads the exhaust ..
I wouldn't think so though really ..Many waterboxer engines are running with hollowed out cats.

btw ..regarding poor fuel mileage ...consider if cat ( or muffler ) might be starting to fail or partially clogged.
I have seen them look ok looking into both ends , but in the middle starting to fail.

yeah ..it's always a good test if it's not running right to disconnect the 02.
02 input is bypassed at wide open throttle btw.
I have not seen this issue myself but I have read about shorted 02 coaxial cable ..and seen one or two vans with a new wire spliced in near the ecu.

re apprarent engine power ....were tire sizes about the same ? Extra big ties eat up apparent engine power.

scott
turbovans

On 3/8/2013 5:34 AM, Ken Garratt wrote:

Hi Philip,
It's said the engine runs rich when the Oxy sensor is disconnected or has failed, so running the engine in that state long term may not be a good idea.
It's said the Oxy sensor may not sense so well if the internals of the Catalytic Converter are shot/non existent.
A useful thing to know is that if your van should ever have the symptoms of "Vanagon Syndrome", it's worth trying disconnecting the large green wire of the Oxy sensor leads ... this may help get you home.

Examples of Oxy Sensor pricing from usual US suppliers, plus shipping cost:

Cheers.
Ken



To: Syncro_T3_Australia@yahoogroups.com
CC: dobson_hamish@yahoo.com.au
From: philipmacrae@yahoo.com.au
Date: Thu, 7 Mar 2013 23:07:58 -0800
Subject: Re: [Syncro_T3_Australia] Exhaust sensors


Scott,
What does a new Oxygen Sensor cost these days???
I remember being told my Oxygen Sensor was exhausted so mechanic disconnected it and the car went well disconnected for a long time.
Not Totally sure if its connected today because its in the shop getting the ten year old penrite synthetic transmission oil changed so I cant check.
I never replaced it.
I always check the fuel consumption as I always fill the tank.
Using 95 Super petrol Getting about 11.5 lt per 100k without decoupler or diflock etc. Motor is original 255,000km. purchased with 98,000km. The VC is probably also exhausted!
Oil consumption is 1 litre per 10,000km or less depending on type of driving ie city vs highway or dirt roads.
When I drove the car for some years without the drive shaft (so 2WD) I think I got about 10.5lt per 100k.
Other Syncros I have driven have had better acceleration than mine.

From: Scott Daniel - Turbovans <ScottDaniel@turbovans.com>
To: Syncro_T3_Australia@yahoogroups.com
Cc: Hamish Dobson <dobson_hamish@yahoo.com.au>
Sent: Wednesday, 6 March 2013 1:53 PM
Subject: Re: [Syncro_T3_Australia] Exhaust sensors
Imagine all the gasoline wasted in all that time by not having it running really right.
Possibly rough on the engine having it run rich ..
like rough on the oil.
They are real easy to check for good function too ...the oxygen sensor.


On 3/6/2013 1:32 PM, Hamish Dobson wrote:
Hi all I recently replaced my exhaust sensor. Was the original that I never changed when I rebuilt my engine aprx 15000 km ago.
I was always suffering from poor low down drivability issues due to over fueling. At traffic lights the car would bog down and and it got hot it got worse....then other times it was fine.

After changing it and having to splice it into the wiring the car is like a whole new car.

Very very pleased.

Sent from my iPhone


Or for an extra 100 bucks get yourself an Innovate air fuel ratio gauge which comes with its own 02 sensor. Been running mine with the two airfuel ratios I programmed into itfor nearly a year now ( about 20000k's) and its running great. Runs nice and rich when I put my foot down and lean when I'm cruizing. The stock 02 sensor can't give you that.

--- In Syncro_T3_Australia@yahoogroups.com, Scott Daniel - Turbovans <ScottDaniel@...> wrote:
>
> Greetings all,
> re how much does an 02 sensor cost . Here in Oregon an OE style one
> with the right connectors could be as high as $ 90 to 130 US .
> An aftermarket generic Bosch one that you splice in might be $ 60 to 70 US.
>
> I suppose having a hollow cat downstream of an 02sensor could affect how
> it reads the exhaust ..
> I wouldn't think so though really ..Many waterboxer engines are running
> with hollowed out cats.
>
> btw ..regarding poor fuel mileage ...consider if cat ( or muffler )
> might be starting to fail or partially clogged.
> I have seen them look ok looking into both ends , but in themiddle
> starting to fail.
>
> yeah ..it's always a good test if it's not running right to disconnect
> the 02.
> 02 input is bypassed at wide open throttle btw.
> I have not seen this issue myself but I have read about shorted 02
> coaxial cable ..and seen one or two vans with a new wire spliced in near
> the ecu.
>
> re apprarent engine power ....were tiresizes about the same ? Extra big
> ties eat up apparent engine power.
>
> scott
> turbovans
>
> On 3/8/2013 5:34 AM, Ken Garratt wrote:
> >
> > Hi Philip,
> > It's said the engine runs rich when the Oxy sensor is disconnected or
> > has failed, so running the engine in that state long term may not be a
> > good idea.
> > It's said the Oxy sensor may not sense so well if the internals of the
> > Catalytic Converter are shot/non existent.
> > A useful thing to know is that if your van should ever have the
> > symptoms of "Vanagon Syndrome", it's worth trying disconnecting the
> > large green wire of the Oxy sensor leads ... this may help get you home.
> >
> > Examples of Oxy Sensor pricing from usual US suppliers, plus shipping
> > cost:
> > https://www.busdepot.com/13957
> > http://www.van-cafe.com/home/van_1223689737929/page_347_1217/oxygen_sensor_-_complete.html
> >
> > Cheers.
> > Ken
> >
> >
> > ------------------------------------------------------------------------
> > To: Syncro_T3_Australia@yahoogroups.com
> > CC: dobson_hamish@...
> > From: philipmacrae@...
> > Date: Thu, 7 Mar 2013 23:07:58 -0800
> > Subject: Re: [Syncro_T3_Australia] Exhaust sensors
> >
> >
> > Scott,
> > What does a new Oxygen Sensor cost these days???
> > I remember being told my Oxygen Sensor was exhausted so mechanic
> > disconnected it and the car went well disconnected for a long time.
> > Not Totally sure if its connected today because its in the shop
> > getting the ten year old penrite synthetic transmission oil changed
> > so I cant check.
> > I never replaced it.
> > I always check the fuel consumption as I always fill the tank.
> > Using 95 Super petrol Getting about 11.5 lt per 100k without decoupler
> > or diflock etc. Motor is original 255,000km. purchased with 98,000km.
> > The VC is probably also exhausted!
> > Oil consumption is 1 litre per 10,000km or less depending on type of
> > driving ie city vs highway or dirt roads.
> > When I drove the car for some years without the drive shaft (so 2WD) I
> > think I got about 10.5lt per 100k.
> > Other Syncros I have driven have had better acceleration than mine.
> >
> > *From:* Scott Daniel - Turbovans <ScottDaniel@...>
> > *To:* Syncro_T3_Australia@yahoogroups.com
> > *Cc:* Hamish Dobson <dobson_hamish@...>
> > *Sent:* Wednesday, 6 March 2013 1:53 PM
> > *Subject:* Re: [Syncro_T3_Australia] Exhaust sensors
> > Imagine all the gasoline wasted in all that time by not having it
> > running really right.
> > Possibly rough on the engine having it run rich ..
> > like rough on the oil.
> > They are real easy to check for good function too ...the oxygen sensor.
> >
> >
> > On 3/6/2013 1:32 PM, Hamish Dobson wrote:
> >
> > Hi all I recently replaced my exhaust sensor. Was the original
> > that I never changed when I rebuilt my engine aprx 15000 km ago.
> > I was always suffering from poor low down drivability issues due
> > to over fueling. At traffic lights the car would bog down and and
> > it got hot it got worse....then other times it was fine.
> >
> > After changing it and having to splice it into the wiring the car
> > is like a whole new car.
> >
> > Very very pleased.
> >
> > Sent from my iPhone
> >
> >
> >
>
Isn't that what the stock one does?

I thought that once the full throttle switch was closed it bypassed the sensor and ran to the rich end of the scale. The O2 sensor is just a fine adjustment. If you disconnect it, it will just run to the richer end of the normal operating range. The airflow metering is the cause of Vanagon syndrome, not the O2 sensor.

Phill



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Or for an extra 100 bucks get yourself an Innovate air fuel ratio gauge which comes with its own 02 sensor. Been running mine with the two airfuel ratios I programmed into itfor nearly a year now ( about 20000k's) and its running great. Runs nice and rich when I put my foot down and lean when I'm cruizing. The stock 02 sensor can't give you that.

--- In Syncro_T3_Australia@yahoogroups.com, Scott Daniel - Turbovans <ScottDaniel@...> wrote:
>
> Greetings all,
> re how much does an 02 sensor cost . Here in Oregon an OE style one
> with the right connectors could be as high as $ 90 to 130 US .
> An aftermarket generic Bosch one that you splice in might be $ 60 to 70 US.
>
> I suppose having a hollow cat downstream of an 02sensor could affect how
> it reads the exhaust ..
> I wouldn't think so though really ..Many waterboxer engines are running
> with hollowed out cats.
>
> btw ..regarding poor fuel mileage ...consider if cat ( or muffler )
> might be starting to fail or partially clogged.
> I have seen them look ok looking into both ends , but in themiddle
> starting to fail.
>
> yeah ..it's always a good test if it's not running right to disconnect
> the 02.
> 02 input is bypassed at wide open throttle btw.
> I have not seen this issue myself but I have read about shorted 02
> coaxial cable ..and seen one or two vans with a new wire spliced in near
> the ecu.
>
> re apprarent engine power ....were tiresizes about the same ? Extra big
> ties eat up apparent engine power.
>
> scott
> turbovans
>
> On 3/8/2013 5:34 AM, Ken Garratt wrote:
> >
> > Hi Philip,
> > It's said the engine runs rich when the Oxy sensor is disconnected or
> > has failed, so running the engine in that state long term may not be a
> > good idea.
> > It's said the Oxy sensor may not sense so well if the internals of the
> > Catalytic Converter are shot/non existent.
> > A useful thing to know is that if your van should ever have the
> > symptoms of "Vanagon Syndrome", it's worth trying disconnecting the
> > large green wire of the Oxy sensor leads ... this may help get you home.
> >
> > Examples of Oxy Sensor pricing from usual US suppliers, plus shipping
> > cost:
> > https://www.busdepot.com/13957
> > http://www.van-cafe.com/home/van_1223689737929/page_347_1217/oxygen_sensor_-_complete.html
> >
> > Cheers.
> > Ken
> >
> >
> > ----------------------------------------------------------
> > To: Syncro_T3_Australia@yahoogroups.com
> > CC: dobson_hamish@...
> > From: philipmacrae@...
> > Date: Thu, 7 Mar 2013 23:07:58 -0800
> > Subject: Re: [Syncro_T3_Australia] Exhaust sensors
> >
> >
> > Scott,
> > What does a new Oxygen Sensor cost these days???
> > I remember being told my Oxygen Sensor was exhausted so mechanic
> > disconnected it and the car went well disconnected for a long time.
> > Not Totally sure if its connected today because its in the shop
> > getting the ten year old penrite synthetic transmission oil changed
> > so I cant check.
> > I never replaced it.
> > I always check the fuel consumption as I always fill the tank.
> > Using 95 Super petrol Getting about 11.5 lt per 100k without decoupler
> > or diflock etc. Motor is original 255,000km. purchased with 98,000km.
> > The VC is probably also exhausted!
> > Oil consumption is 1 litre per 10,000km or less depending on type of
> > driving ie city vs highway or dirt roads.
> > When I drove the car for some years without the drive shaft (so 2WD) I
> > think I got about 10.5lt per 100k.
> > Other Syncros I have driven have had better acceleration than mine.
> >
> > *From:* Scott Daniel - Turbovans <ScottDaniel@...>
> > *To:* Syncro_T3_Australia@yahoogroups.com
> > *Cc:* Hamish Dobson <dobson_hamish@...>
> > *Sent:* Wednesday, 6 March 2013 1:53 PM
> > *Subject:* Re: [Syncro_T3_Australia] Exhaust sensors
> > Imagine all the gasoline wasted in all that time by not having it
> > running really right.
> > Possibly rough on the engine having it run rich ..
> > like rough on the oil.
> > They are real easy to check for good function too ...the oxygen sensor.
> >
> >
> > On 3/6/2013 1:32 PM, Hamish Dobson wrote:
> >
> > Hi all I recently replaced my exhaust sensor. Was the original
> > that I never changed when I rebuilt my engine aprx 15000 km ago.
> > I was always suffering from poor low down drivability issues due
> > to over fueling. At traffic lights the car would bog down and and
> > it got hot it got worse....then other times it was fine.
> >
> > After changing it and having to splice it into the wiring the car
> > is like a whole new car.
> >
> > Very very pleased.
> >
> > Sent from my iPhone
> >
> >
> >
>


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Phil, takes the full throttle switch about 30 seconds to react. By this time ,the hill you've just climbed is all but gone. Mine reacts in about half a second giving me extra go when I need it.

--- In Syncro_T3_Australia@yahoogroups.com, plander@... wrote:
>
> Isn't that what the stock one does?
>
> I thought that once the full throttle switch was closed it bypassed
> the sensor and ran to the rich end of the scale. The O2 sensor is just
> a fine adjustment. If you disconnect it, it will just run to the
> richer end of the normal operating range. The airflow metering is the
> cause of Vanagon syndrome, not the O2 sensor.
>
> Phill
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: Syncro_T3_Australia@yahoogroups.com
> To:
> Cc:
> Sent:Fri, 08 Mar 2013 21:48:30 -0000
> Subject:[Syncro_T3_Australia] Re: Exhaust sensors
>
> Â
>
> Or for an extra 100 bucks get yourself an Innovate air fuel ratio
> gauge which comes with its own 02 sensor. Been running mine with the
> two airfuel ratios I programmed into itfor nearly a year now ( about
> 20000k's) and its running great. Runs nice and rich when I put my foot
> down and lean when I'm cruizing. The stock 02 sensor can't give you
> that.
>
> --- In Syncro_T3_Australia@yahoogroups.com [1], Scott Daniel -
> Turbovans wrote:
> >
> > Greetings all,
> > re how much does an 02 sensor cost . Here in Oregon an OE style one
>
> > with the right connectors could be as high as $ 90 to 130 US .
> > An aftermarket generic Bosch one that you splice in might be $ 60
> to 70 US.
> >
> > I suppose having a hollow cat downstream of an 02sensor could
> affect how
> > it reads the exhaust ..
> > I wouldn't think so though really ..Many waterboxer engines are
> running
> > with hollowed out cats.
> >
> > btw ..regarding poor fuel mileage ...consider if cat ( or muffler )
>
> > might be starting to fail or partially clogged.
> > I have seen them look ok looking into both ends , but in themiddle
> > starting to fail.
> >
> > yeah ..it's always a good test if it's not running right to
> disconnect
> > the 02.
> > 02 input is bypassed at wide open throttle btw.
> > I have not seen this issue myself but I have read about shorted 02
> > coaxial cable ..and seen one or two vans with a new wire spliced in
> near
> > the ecu.
> >
> > re apprarent engine power ....were tiresizes about the same ? Extra
> big
> > ties eat up apparent engine power.
> >
> > scott
> > turbovans
> >
> > On 3/8/2013 5:34 AM, Ken Garratt wrote:
> > >
> > > Hi Philip,
> > > It's said the engine runs rich when the Oxy sensor is
> disconnected or
> > > has failed, so running the engine in that state long term may not
> be a
> > > good idea.
> > > It's said the Oxy sensor may not sense so well if the internals
> of the
> > > Catalytic Converter are shot/non existent.
> > > A useful thing to know is that if your van should ever have the
> > > symptoms of "Vanagon Syndrome", it's worth trying disconnecting
> the
> > > large green wire of the Oxy sensor leads .. this may help get
> you home.
> > >
> > > Examples of Oxy Sensor pricing from usual US suppliers, plus
> shipping
> > > cost:
> > > https://www.busdepot.com/13957 [2]
> > >
> http://www.van-cafe.com/home/van_1223689737929/page_347_1217/oxygen_sensor_-_complete.html
> [3]
> > >
> > > Cheers.
> > > Ken
> > >
> > >
> > > ----------------------------------------------------------
> > > To: Syncro_T3_Australia@yahoogroups.com [4]
> > > CC: dobson_hamish@
> > > From: philipmacrae@
> > > Date: Thu, 7 Mar 2013 23:07:58 -0800
> > > Subject: Re: [Syncro_T3_Australia] Exhaust sensors
> > >
> > >
> > > Scott,
> > > What does a new Oxygen Sensor cost these days???
> > > I remember being told my Oxygen Sensor was exhausted so mechanic
> > > disconnected it and the car went well disconnected for a long
> time.
> > > Not Totally sure if its connected today because its in the shop
> > > getting the ten year old penrite synthetic transmission oil
> changed
> > > so I cant check.
> > > I never replaced it.
> > > I always check the fuel consumption as I always fill the tank.
> > > Using 95 Super petrol Getting about 11.5 lt per 100k without
> decoupler
> > > or diflock etc. Motor is original 255,000km. purchased with
> 98,000km.
> > > The VC is probably also exhausted!
> > > Oil consumption is 1 litre per 10,000km or less depending on type
> of
> > > driving ie city vs highway or dirt roads.
> > > When I drove the car for some years without the drive shaft (so
> 2WD) I
> > > think I got about 10.5lt per 100k.
> > > Other Syncros I have driven have had better acceleration than
> mine.
> > >
> > > *From:* Scott Daniel - Turbovans
> > > *To:* Syncro_T3_Australia@yahoogroups.com [5]
> > > *Cc:* Hamish Dobson
> > > *Sent:* Wednesday, 6 March 2013 1:53 PM
> > > *Subject:* Re: [Syncro_T3_Australia] Exhaust sensors
> > > Imagine all the gasoline wasted in all that time by not having it
>
> > > running really right.
> > > Possibly rough on the engine having it run rich ..
> > > like rough on the oil.
> > > They are real easy to check for good function too ...the oxygen
> sensor.
> > >
> > >
> > > On 3/6/2013 1:32 PM, Hamish Dobson wrote:
> > >
> > > Hi all I recently replaced my exhaust sensor. Was the original
> > > that I never changed when I rebuilt my engine aprx 15000 km ago.
> > > I was always suffering from poor low down drivability issues due
> > > to over fueling. At traffic lights the car would bog down and and
> > > it got hot it got worse....then other times it was fine.
> > >
> > > After changing it and having to splice it into the wiring the car
> > > is like a whole new car.
> > >
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Phill, as you know the genuine set up is always aiming for stoiciometric point of unleaded fuel (14.7). What Eddie and I are able to do with the innovative guage and its dual outputs is use an infinately adjustable vacuum switch to get  a rich mixture on hard accel (say 12.8). This really does give a noticable kick of power. The big problem with digifant is that there is no fast reacting, mixture richening mechanism for acceleration. The pre programed maps are very conservative and you will find that a perfectly working system will actually go lean on accel. Greg

From: eddie <bergodaz@ozemail.com.au>
To: Syncro_T3_Australia@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Saturday, 9 March 2013 11:00 AM
Subject: [Syncro_T3_Australia] Re: Exhaust sensors
 
Phil, takes the full throttle switch about 30 seconds to react. By this time ,the hill you've just climbed is all but gone. Mine reacts in about half a second giving me extra go when I need it.

--- In mailto:Syncro_T3_Australia%40yahoogroups.com, plander@... wrote:
>
> Isn't that what the stock one does?
>
> I thought that once the full throttle switch was closed it bypassed
> the sensor and ran to the rich end of the scale. The O2 sensor is just
> a fine adjustment. If you disconnect it, it will just run to the
> richer end of the normal operating range. The airflow metering is the
> cause of Vanagon syndrome, not the O2 sensor.
>
> Phill
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: mailto:Syncro_T3_Australia%40yahoogroups.com
> To:
> Cc:
> Sent:Fri, 08 Mar 2013 21:48:30 -0000
> Subject:[Syncro_T3_Australia] Re: Exhaust sensors
>
>  
>
> Or for an extra 100 bucks get yourself an Innovate air fuel ratio
> gauge which comes with its own 02 sensor. Been running mine with the
> two airfuel ratios I programmed into itfor nearly a year now ( about
> 20000k's) and its running great. Runs nice and rich when I put my foot
> down and lean when I'm cruizing. The stock 02 sensor can't give you
> that.
>
> --- In mailto:Syncro_T3_Australia%40yahoogroups.com [1], Scott Daniel -
> Turbovans wrote:
> >
> > Greetings all,
> > re how much does an 02 sensor cost . Here in Oregon an OE style one
>
> > with the right connectors could be as high as $ 90 to 130 US .
> > An aftermarket generic Bosch one that you splice in might be $ 60
> to 70 US.
> >
> > I suppose having a hollow cat downstream of an 02sensor could
> affect how
> > it reads the exhaust ..
> > I wouldn't think so though really ..Many waterboxer engines are
> running
> > with hollowed out cats.
> >
> > btw ..regarding poor fuel mileage ...consider if cat ( or muffler )
>
> > might be starting to fail or partially clogged.
> > I have seen them look ok looking into both ends , but in themiddle
> > starting to fail.
> >
> > yeah ..it's always a good test if it's not running right to
> disconnect
> > the 02.
> > 02 input is bypassed at wide open throttle btw.
> > I have not seen this issue myself but I have read about shorted 02
> > coaxial cable ..and seen one or two vans with a new wire spliced in
> near
> > the ecu.
> >
> > re apprarent engine power ....were tiresizes about the same ? Extra
> big
> > ties eat up apparent engine power.
> >
> > scott
> > turbovans
> >
> > On 3/8/2013 5:34 AM, Ken Garratt wrote:
> > >
> > > Hi Philip,
> > > It's said the engine runs rich when the Oxy sensor is
> disconnected or
> > > has failed, so running the engine in that state long term may not
> be a
> > > good idea.
> > > It's said the Oxy sensor may not sense so well if the internals
> of the
> > > Catalytic Converter are shot/non existent.
> > > A useful thing to know is that if your van should ever have the
> > > symptoms of "Vanagon Syndrome", it's worth trying disconnecting
> the
> > > large green wire of the Oxy sensor leads .. this may help get
> you home.
> > >
> > > Examples of Oxy Sensor pricing from usual US suppliers, plus
> shipping
> > > cost:
> > > https://www.busdepot.com/13957 [2]
> > >
> http://www.van-cafe.com/home/van_1223689737929/page_347_1217/oxygen_sensor_-_complete.html
> [3]
> > >
> > > Cheers.
> > > Ken
> > >
> > >
> > > ----------------------------------------------------------
> > > To: mailto:Syncro_T3_Australia%40yahoogroups.com [4]
> > > CC: dobson_hamish@
> > > From: philipmacrae@
> > > Date: Thu, 7 Mar 2013 23:07:58 -0800
> > > Subject: Re: [Syncro_T3_Australia] Exhaust sensors
> > >
> > >
> > > Scott,
> > > What does a new Oxygen Sensor cost these days???
> > > I remember being told my Oxygen Sensor was exhausted so mechanic
> > > disconnected it and the car went well disconnected for a long
> time.
> > > Not Totally sure if its connected today because its in the shop
> > > getting the ten year old penrite synthetic transmission oil
> changed
> > > so I cant check.
> > > I never replaced it.
> > > I always check the fuel consumption as I always fill the tank.
> > > Using 95 Super petrol Getting about 11.5 lt per 100k without
> decoupler
> > > or diflock etc. Motor is original 255,000km. purchased with
> 98,000km.
> > > The VC is probably also exhausted!
> > > Oil consumption is 1 litre per 10,000km or less depending on type
> of
> > > driving ie city vs highway or dirt roads.
> > > When I drove the car for some years without the drive shaft (so
> 2WD) I
> > > think I got about 10.5lt per 100k.
> > > Other Syncros I have driven have had better acceleration than
> mine.
> > >
> > > *From:* Scott Daniel - Turbovans
> > > *To:* mailto:Syncro_T3_Australia%40yahoogroups.com [5]
> > > *Cc:* Hamish Dobson
> > > *Sent:* Wednesday, 6 March 2013 1:53 PM
> > > *Subject:* Re: [Syncro_T3_Australia] Exhaust sensors
> > > Imagine all the gasoline wasted in all that time by not having it
>
> > > running really right.
> > > Possibly rough on the engine having it run rich ..
> > > like rough on the oil.
> > > They are real easy to check for good function too ...the oxygen
> sensor.
> > >
> > >
> > > On 3/6/2013 1:32 PM, Hamish Dobson wrote:
> > >
> > > Hi all I recently replaced my exhaust sensor. Was the original
> > > that I never changed when I rebuilt my engine aprx 15000 km ago.
> > > I was always suffering from poor low down drivability issues due
> > > to over fueling. At traffic lights the car would bog down and and
> > > it got hot it got worse....then other times it was fine.
> > >
> > > After changing it and having to splice it into the wiring the car
> > > is like a whole new car.
> > >
> > > Very very pleased.
> > >
> > > Sent from my iPhone
> > >
> > >
> > >
> >
>
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Good thanks. I thought that the full throttle switch would take it to the full optimal rich and didn't know about the delay.

I wonder how good the reprogrammed chips are for getting around this?

Phill



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Re: [Syncro_T3_Australia] Re: Exhaust sensors


Phill, as you know the genuine set up is always aiming for stoiciometric point of unleaded fuel (14.7). What Eddie and I are able to do with the innovative guage and its dual outputs is use an infinately adjustable vacuum switch to get a rich mixture on hard accel (say 12.8). This really does give a noticable kick of power. The big problem with digifant is that there is no fast reacting, mixture richening mechanism for acceleration. The pre programed maps are very conservative and you will find that a perfectly working system will actually go lean on accel. Greg

From: eddie <bergodaz@ozemail.com.au>
To: Syncro_T3_Australia@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Saturday, 9 March 2013 11:00 AM
Subject: [Syncro_T3_Australia] Re: Exhaust sensors
Phil, takes the full throttle switch about 30 seconds to react. By this time ,the hill you've just climbed is all but gone. Mine reacts in about half a second giving me extra go when I need it.

--- In mailto:Syncro_T3_Australia%40yahoogroups.com, plander@... wrote:
>
> Isn't that what the stock one does?
>
> I thought that once the full throttle switch was closed it bypassed
> the sensor and ran to the rich end of the scale. The O2 sensor is just
> a fine adjustment. If you disconnect it, it will just run to the
> richer end of the normal operating range. The airflow metering is the
> cause of Vanagon syndrome, not the O2 sensor.
>
> Phill
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: mailto:Syncro_T3_Australia%40yahoogroups.com
> To:
> Cc:
> Sent:Fri, 08 Mar 2013 21:48:30 -0000
> Subject:[Syncro_T3_Australia] Re: Exhaust sensors
>
> Â
>
> Or for an extra 100 bucks get yourself an Innovate air fuel ratio
> gauge which comes with its own 02 sensor. Been running mine with the
> two airfuel ratios I programmed into itfor nearly a year now ( about
> 20000k's) and its running great. Runs nice and rich when I put my foot
> down and lean when I'm cruizing. The stock 02 sensor can't give you
> that.
>
> --- In mailto:Syncro_T3_Australia%40yahoogroups.com [1], Scott Daniel -
> Turbovans wrote:
> >
> > Greetings all,
> > re how much does an 02 sensor cost . Here in Oregon an OE style one
>
> > with the right connectors could be as high as $ 90 to 130 US .
> > An aftermarket generic Bosch one that you splice in might be $ 60
> to 70 US.
> >
> > I suppose having a hollow cat downstream of an 02sensor could
> affect how
> > it reads the exhaust ..
> > I wouldn't think so though really ..Many waterboxer engines are
> running
> > with hollowed out cats.
> >
> > btw ..regarding poor fuel mileage ...consider if cat ( or muffler )
>
> > might be starting to fail or partially clogged.
> > I have seen them look ok looking into both ends , but in themiddle
> > starting to fail.
> >
> > yeah ..it's always a good test if it's not running right to
> disconnect
> > the 02.
> > 02 input is bypassed at wide open throttle btw.
> > I have not seen this issue myself but I have read about shorted 02
> > coaxial cable ..and seen one or two vans with a new wire spliced in
> near
> > the ecu.
> >
> > re apprarent engine power ....were tiresizes about the same ? Extra
> big
> > ties eat up apparent engine power.
> >
> > scott
> > turbovans
> >
> > On 3/8/2013 5:34 AM, Ken Garratt wrote:
> > >
> > > Hi Philip,
> > > It's said the engine runs rich when the Oxy sensor is
> disconnected or
> > > has failed, so running the engine in that state long term may not
> be a
> > > good idea.
> > > It's said the Oxy sensor may not sense so well if the internals
> of the
> > > Catalytic Converter are shot/non existent.
> > > A useful thing to know is that if your van should ever have the
> > > symptoms of "Vanagon Syndrome", it's worth trying disconnecting
> the
> > > large green wire of the Oxy sensor leads .. this may help get
> you home.
> > >
> > > Examples of Oxy Sensor pricing from usual US suppliers, plus
> shipping
> > > cost:
> > > https://www.busdepot.com/13957 [2]
> > >
> http://www.van-cafe.com/home/van_1223689737929/page_347_1217/oxygen_sensor_-_complete.html
> [3]
> > >
> > > Cheers.
> > > Ken
> > >
> > >
> > > ----------------------------------------------------------
> > > To: mailto:Syncro_T3_Australia%40yahoogroups.com [4]
> > > CC: dobson_hamish@
> > > From: philipmacrae@
> > > Date: Thu, 7 Mar 2013 23:07:58 -0800
> > > Subject: Re: [Syncro_T3_Australia] Exhaust sensors
> > >
> > >
> > > Scott,
> > > What does a new Oxygen Sensor cost these days???
> > > I remember being told my Oxygen Sensor was exhausted so mechanic
> > > disconnected it and the car went well disconnected for a long
> time.
> > > Not Totally sure if its connected today because its in the shop
> > > getting the ten year old penrite synthetic transmission oil
> changed
> > > so I cant check.
> > > I never replaced it.
> > > I always check the fuel consumption as I always fill the tank.
> > > Using 95 Super petrol Getting about 11.5 lt per 100k without
> decoupler
> > > or diflock etc. Motor is original 255,000km. purchased with
> 98,000km.
> > > The VC is probably also exhausted!
> > > Oil consumption is 1 litre per 10,000km or less depending on type
> of
> > > driving ie city vs highway or dirt roads.
> > > When I drove the car for some years without the drive shaft (so
> 2WD) I
> > > think I got about 10.5lt per 100k.
> > > Other Syncros I have driven have had better acceleration than
> mine
> > >
> > > *From:* Scott Daniel - Turbovans
> > > *To:* mailto:Syncro_T3_Australia%40yahoogroups.com [5]
> > > *Cc:* Hamish Dobson
> > > *Sent:* Wednesday, 6 March 2013 1:53 PM
> > > *Subject:* Re: [Syncro_T3_Australia] Exhaust sensors
> > > Imagine all the gasoline wasted in all that time by not having it
>
> > > running really right.
> > > Possibly rough on the engine having it run rich ..
> > > like rough on the oil.
> > > They are real easy to check for good function too ...the oxygen
> sensor
> > >
> > >
> > > On 3/6/2013 1:32 PM, Hamish Dobson wrote:
> > >
> > > Hi all I recently replaced my exhaust sensor. Was the original
> > > that I never changed when I rebuilt my engine aprx 15000 km ago.
> > > I was always suffering from poor low down drivability issues due
> > > to over fueling. At traffic lights the car would bog down and and
> > > it got hot it got worse....then other times it was fine.
> > >
> > > After changing it and having to splice it into the wiring the car
> > > is like a whole new car.
> > >
> > > Very very pleased.
> > >
> > > Sent from my iPhone
> > >
> > >
> > >
> >
>
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I have a 2.1 ecu that is supposedly 'chipped.'
It doesn't run any stronger than a stock one that I can tell.
the only thing it does is run the fuel pump continuously any time the key is on ..
which is sure not right or safe.


On 3/8/2013 5:02 PM, plander@optusnet.com.au wrote:

Good thanks. I thought that the full throttle switch would take it to the full optimal rich and didn't know about the delay.

I wonder how good the reprogrammed chips are for getting around this?

Phill



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Phill, as you know the genuine set up is always aiming for stoiciometric point of unleaded fuel (14.7). What Eddie and I are able to do with the innovative guage and its dual outputs is use an infinately adjustable vacuum switch to get a rich mixture on hard accel (say 12.8). This really does give a noticable kick of power. The big problem with digifant is that there is no fast reacting, mixture richening mechanism for acceleration. The pre programed maps are very conservative and you will find that a perfectly working system will actually go lean on accel. Greg

From: eddie <bergodaz@ozemail.com.au>
To: Syncro_T3_Australia@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Saturday, 9 March 2013 11:00 AM
Subject: [Syncro_T3_Australia] Re: Exhaust sensors
Phil, takes the full throttle switch about 30 seconds to react. By this time ,the hill you've just climbed is all but gone. Mine reacts in about half a second giving me extra go when I need it.

--- In mailto:Syncro_T3_Australia%40yahoogroups.com, plander@... wrote:
>
> Isn't that what the stock one does?
>
> I thought that once the full throttle switch was closed it bypassed
> the sensor and ran to the rich end of the scale. The O2 sensor is just
> a fine adjustment. If you disconnect it, it will just run to the
> richer end of the normal operating range. The airflow metering is the
> cause of Vanagon syndrome, not the O2 sensor.
>
> Phill
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: mailto:Syncro_T3_Australia%40yahoogroups.com
> To:
> Cc:
> Sent:Fri, 08 Mar 2013 21:48:30 -0000
> Subject:[Syncro_T3_Australia] Re: Exhaust sensors
>
> Â
>
> Or for an extra 100 bucks get yourself an Innovate air fuel ratio
> gauge which comes with its own 02 sensor. Been running mine with the
> two airfuel ratios I programmed into itfor nearly a year now ( about
> 20000k's) and its running great. Runs nice and rich when I put my foot
> down and lean when I'm cruizing. The stock 02 sensor can't give you
> that.
>
> --- In mailto:Syncro_T3_Australia%40yahoogroups.com [1], Scott Daniel -
> Turbovans wrote:
> >
> > Greetings all,
> > re how much does an 02 sensor cost . Here in Oregon an OE style one
>
> > with the right connectors could be as high as $ 90 to 130 US .
> > An aftermarket generic Bosch one that you splice in might be $ 60
> to 70 US.
> >
> > I suppose having a hollow cat downstream of an 02sensor could
> affect how
> > it reads the exhaust ..
> > I wouldn't think so though really ..Many waterboxer engines are
> running
> > with hollowed out cats.
> >
> > btw ..regarding poor fuel mileage ...consider if cat ( or muffler )
>
> > might be starting to fail or partially clogged.
> > I have seen them look ok looking into both ends , but in themiddle
> > starting to fail.
> >
> > yeah ..it's always a good test if it's not running right to
> disconnect
> > the 02.
> > 02 input is bypassed at wide open throttle btw.
> > I have not seen this issue myself but I have read about shorted 02
> > coaxial cable ..and seen one or two vans with a new wire spliced in
> near
> > the ecu.
> >
> > re apprarent engine power ....were tiresizes about the same ? Extra
> big
> > ties eat up apparent engine power.
> >
> > scott
> > turbovans
> >
> > On 3/8/2013 5:34 AM, Ken Garratt wrote:
> > >
> > > Hi Philip,
> > > It's said the engine runs rich when the Oxy sensor is
> disconnected or
> > > has failed, so running the engine in that state long term may not
> be a
> > > good idea.
> > > It's said the Oxy sensor may not sense so well if the internals
> of the
> > > Catalytic Converter are shot/non existent.
> > > A useful thing to know is that if your van should ever have the
> > > symptoms of "Vanagon Syndrome", it's worth trying disconnecting
> the
> > > large green wire of the Oxy sensor leads .. this may help get
> you home.
> > >
> > > Examples of Oxy Sensor pricing from usual US suppliers, plus
> shipping
> > > cost:
> > > https://www.busdepot.com/13957 [2]
> > >
> http://www.van-cafe.com/home/van_1223689737929/page_347_1217/oxygen_sensor_-_complete.html
> [3]
> > >
> > > Cheers.
> > > Ken
> > >
> > >
> > > ----------------------------------------------------------
> > > To: mailto:Syncro_T3_Australia%40yahoogroups.com [4]
> > > CC: dobson_hamish@
> > > From: philipmacrae@
> > > Date: Thu, 7 Mar 2013 23:07:58 -0800
> > > Subject: Re: [Syncro_T3_Australia] Exhaust sensors
> > >
> > >
> > > Scott,
> > > What does a new Oxygen Sensor cost these days???
> > > I remember being told my Oxygen Sensor was exhausted so mechanic
> > > disconnected it and the car went well disconnected for a long
> time.
> > > Not Totally sure if its connected today because its in the shop
> > > getting the ten year old penrite synthetic transmission oil
> changed
> > > so I cant check.
> > > I never replaced it.
> > > I always check the fuel consumption as I always fill the tank.
> > > Using 95 Super petrol Getting about 11.5 lt per 100k without
> decoupler
> > > or diflock etc. Motor is original 255,000km. purchased with
> 98,000km.
> > > The VC is probably also exhausted!
> > > Oil consumption is 1 litre per 10,000km or less depending on type
> of
> > > driving ie city vs highway or dirt roads.
> > > When I drove the car for some years without the drive shaft (so
> 2WD) I
> > > think I got about 10.5lt per 100k.
> > > Other Syncros I have driven have had better acceleration than
> mine
> > >
> > > *From:* Scott Daniel - Turbovans
> > > *To:* mailto:Syncro_T3_Australia%40yahoogroups.com [5]
> > > *Cc:* Hamish Dobson
> > > *Sent:* Wednesday, 6 March 2013 1:53 PM
> > > *Subject:* Re: [Syncro_T3_Australia] Exhaust sensors
> > > Imagine all the gasoline wasted in all that time by not having it
>
> > > running really right.
> > > Possibly rough on the engine having it run rich ..
> > > like rough on the oil.
> > > They are real easy to check for good function too ...the oxygen
> sensor
> > >
> > >
> > > On 3/6/2013 1:32 PM, Hamish Dobson wrote:
> > >
> > > Hi all I recently replaced my exhaust sensor. Was the original
> > > that I never changed when I rebuilt my engine aprx 15000 km ago.
> > > I was always suffering from poor low down drivability issues due
> > > to over fueling. At traffic lights the car would bog down and and
> > > it got hot it got worse....then other times it was fine.
> > >
> > > After changing it and having to splice it into the wiring the car
> > > is like a whole new car.
> > >
> > > Very very pleased.
> > >
> > > Sent from my iPhone
> > >
> > >
> > >
> >
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The only thing that will do is increase the intensity of an engine fire!!!

From: Scott Daniel - Turbovans <ScottDaniel@turbovans.com>
To: Syncro_T3_Australia@yahoogroups.com
Cc: plander@optusnet.com.au
Sent: Saturday, 9 March 2013 12:04 PM
Subject: Re: [Syncro_T3_Australia] Re: Exhaust sensors
 
I have a 2.1 ecu that is supposedly 'chipped.'
It doesn't run any stronger than a stock one that I can tell.
the only thing it does is run the fuel pump continuously any time the key is on ..
which is sure not right or safe.


On 3/8/2013 5:02 PM, plander@optusnet.com.au wrote:
 
Good thanks. I thought that the full throttle switch would take it to the full optimal rich and didn't know about the delay.

I wonder how good the reprogrammed chips are for getting around this?

Phill



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Re: [Syncro_T3_Australia] Re: Exhaust sensors


 
Phill, as you know the genuine set up is always aiming for stoiciometric point of unleaded fuel (14.7). What Eddie and I are able to do with the innovative guage and its dual outputs is use an infinately adjustable vacuum switch to get  a rich mixture on hard accel (say 12.8). This really does give a noticable kick of power. The big problem with digifant is that there is no fast reacting, mixture richening mechanism for acceleration. The pre programed maps are very conservative and you will find that a perfectly working system will actually go lean on accel. Greg

From: eddie mailto:bergodaz@ozemail.com.au To: Syncro_T3_Australia@yahoogroups.com Sent: Saturday, 9 March 2013 11:00 AM Subject: [Syncro_T3_Australia] Re: Exhaust sensors
 
Phil, takes the full throttle switch about 30 seconds to react. By this time ,the hill you've just climbed is all but gone. Mine reacts in about half a second giving me extra go when I need it. --- In mailto:Syncro_T3_Australia%40yahoogroups.com, plander@... wrote: > > Isn't that what the stock one does? > > I thought that once the full throttle switch was closed it bypassed > the sensor and ran to the rich end of the scale. The O2 sensor is just > a fine adjustment. If you disconnect it, it will just run to the > richer end of the normal operating range. The airflow metering is the > cause of Vanagon syndrome, not the O2 sensor. > > Phill > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: mailto:Syncro_T3_Australia%40yahoogroups.com > To: > Cc: > Sent:Fri, 08 Mar 2013 21:48:30 -0000 > Subject:[Syncro_T3_Australia] Re: Exhaust sensors > >   > > Or for an extra 100 bucks get yourself an Innovate air fuel ratio > gauge which comes with its own 02 sensor. Been running mine with the > two airfuel ratios I programmed into itfor nearly a year now ( about > 20000k's) and its running great. Runs nice and rich when I put my foot > down and lean when I'm cruizing. The stock 02 sensor can't give you > that. > > --- In mailto:Syncro_T3_Australia%40yahoogroups.com [1], Scott Daniel - > Turbovans wrote: > > > > Greetings all, > > re how much does an 02 sensor cost . Here in Oregon an OE style one > > > with the right connectors could be as high as $ 90 to 130 US . > > An aftermarket generic Bosch one that you splice in might be $ 60 > to 70 US. > > > > I suppose having a hollow cat downstream of an 02sensor could > affect how > > it reads the exhaust .. > > I wouldn't think so though really ..Many waterboxer engines are > running > > with hollowed out cats. > > > > btw ..regarding poor fuel mileage ...consider if cat ( or muffler ) > > > might be starting to fail or partially clogged. > > I have seen them look ok looking into both ends , but in themiddle > > starting to fail. > > > > yeah ..it's always a good test if it's not running right to > disconnect > > the 02. > > 02 input is bypassed at wide open throttle btw. > > I have not seen this issue myself but I have read about shorted 02 > > coaxial cable ..and seen one or two vans with a new wire spliced in > near > > the ecu. > > > > re apprarent engine power ....were tiresizes about the same ? Extra > big > > ties eat up apparent engine power. > > > > scott > > turbovans > > > > On 3/8/2013 5:34 AM, Ken Garratt wrote: > > > > > > Hi Philip, > > > It's said the engine runs rich when the Oxy sensor is > disconnected or > > > has failed, so running the engine in that state long term may not > be a > > > good idea. > > > It's said the Oxy sensor may not sense so well if the internals > of the > > > Catalytic Converter are shot/non existent. > > > A useful thing to know is that if your van should ever have the > > > symptoms of "Vanagon Syndrome", it's worth trying disconnecting > the > > > large green wire of the Oxy sensor leads .. this may help get > you home. > > > > > > Examples of Oxy Sensor pricing from usual US suppliers, plus > shipping > > > cost: > > > https://www.busdepot.com/13957 [2] > > > > http://www.van-cafe.com/home/van_1223689737929/page_347_1217/oxygen_sensor_-_complete.html > [3] > > > > > > Cheers. > > > Ken > > > > > > > > > ---------------------------------------------------------- > > > To: mailto:Syncro_T3_Australia%40yahoogroups.com [4] > > > CC: dobson_hamish@ > > > From: philipmacrae@ > > > Date: Thu, 7 Mar 2013 23:07:58 -0800 > > > Subject: Re: [Syncro_T3_Australia] Exhaust sensors > > > > > > > > > Scott, > > > What does a new Oxygen Sensor cost these days??? > > > I remember being told my Oxygen Sensor was exhausted so mechanic > > > disconnected it and the car went well disconnected for a long > time. > > > Not Totally sure if its connected today because its in the shop > > > getting the ten year old penrite synthetic transmission oil > changed > > > so I cant check. > > > I never replaced it. > > > I always check the fuel consumption as I always fill the tank. > > > Using 95 Super petrol Getting about 11.5 lt per 100k without > decoupler > > > or diflock etc. Motor is original 255,000km. purchased with > 98,000km. > > > The VC is probably also exhausted! > > > Oil consumption is 1 litre per 10,000km or less depending on type > of > > > driving ie city vs highway or dirt roads. > > > When I drove the car for some years without the drive shaft (so > 2WD) I > > > think I got about 10.5lt per 100k. > > > Other Syncros I have driven have had better acceleration than > mine > > > > > > *From:* Scott Daniel - Turbovans > > > *To:* mailto:Syncro_T3_Australia%40yahoogroups.com [5] > > > *Cc:* Hamish Dobson > > > *Sent:* Wednesday, 6 March 2013 1:53 PM > > > *Subject:* Re: [Syncro_T3_Australia] Exhaust sensors > > > Imagine all the gasoline wasted in all that time by not having it > > > > running really right. > > > Possibly rough on the engine having it run rich .. > > > like rough on the oil. > > > They are real easy to check for good function too ...the oxygen > sensor > > > > > > > > > On 3/6/2013 1:32 PM, Hamish Dobson wrote: > > > > > > Hi all I recently replaced my exhaust sensor. Was the original > > > that I never changed when I rebuilt my engine aprx 15000 km ago. > > > I was always suffering from poor low down drivability issues due > > > to over fueling. At traffic lights the car would bog down and and > > > it got hot it got worse....then other times it was fine. > > > > > > After changing it and having to splice it into the wiring the car > > > is like a whole new car. > > > > > > Very very pleased. > > > > > > Sent from my iPhone > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ------------------------- > Email sent using Optus Webmail > > Links: > ------ > [1] mailto:Syncro_T3_Australia%40yahoogroups.com > [2] https://www.busdepot.com/13957 > [3] > http://www.van-cafe.com/home/van_1223689737929/page_347_1217/oxygen_sensor_-_complete.html > [4] mailto:Syncro_T3_Australia%40yahoogroups.com > [5] mailto:Syncro_T3_Australia%40yahoogroups.com > [6] > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Syncro_T3_Australia/post;_ylc=X3oDMTJyaXUzaGpkBF9TAzk3MzU5NzE0BGdycElkAzEzMjY3MzE1BGdycHNwSWQDMTcwOTkyNjI0MARtc2dJZAMyMDUyNwRzZWMDZnRyBHNsawNycGx5BHN0aW1lAzEzNjI3NzkzMTI-?act=reply&messageNum=20527 > [7] mailto:bergodaz@...?subject=Re%3A%20Exhaust%20sensors > [8] > mailto:mailto:Syncro_T3_Australia%40yahoogroups.com?subject=Re%3A%20Exhaust%20sensors > [9] > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Syncro_T3_Australia/post;_ylc=X3oDMTJmb3V1ZnAxBF9TAzk3MzU5NzE0BGdycElkAzEzMjY3MzE1BGdycHNwSWQDMTcwOTkyNjI0MARzZWMDZnRyBHNsawNudHBjBHN0aW1lAzEzNjI3NzkzMTI- > [10] > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Syncro_T3_Australia/message/20476;_ylc=X3oDMTM3bTRuNTZrBF9TAzk3MzU5NzE0BGdycElkAzEzMjY3MzE1BGdycHNwSWQDMTcwOTkyNjI0MARtc2dJZAMyMDUyNwRzZWMDZnRyBHNsawN2dHBjBHN0aW1lAzEzNjI3NzkzMTIEdHBjSWQDMjA0NzY- > [11] > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Syncro_T3_Australia/members;_ylc=X3oDMTJnamhkOTIxBF9TAzk3MzU5NzE0BGdycElkAzEzMjY3MzE1BGdycHNwSWQDMTcwOTkyNjI0MARzZWMDdnRsBHNsawN2bWJycwRzdGltZQMxMzYyNzc5MzEy?o=6 > [12] > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Syncro_T3_Australia/spnew;_ylc=X3oDMTJnZWdlZHVhBF9TAzk3MzU5NzE0BGdycElkAzEzMjY3MzE1BGdycHNwSWQDMTcwOTkyNjI0MARzZWMDdnRsBHNsawN2cGhvdARzdGltZQMxMzYyNzc5MzEy > [13] > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Syncro_T3_Australia;_ylc=X3oDMTJmZDI3djV2BF9TAzk3MzU5NzE0BGdycElkAzEzMjY3MzE1BGdycHNwSWQDMTcwOTkyNjI0MARzZWMDdnRsBHNsawN2Z2hwBHN0aW1lAzEzNjI3NzkzMTI- > [14] > http://groups.yahoo.com/;_ylc=X3oDMTJlY2JzdTI2BF9TAzk3MzU5NzE0BGdycElkAzEzMjY3MzE1BGdycHNwSWQDMTcwOTkyNjI0MARzZWMDZnRyBHNsawNnZnAEc3RpbWUDMTM2Mjc3OTMxMg-- > [15] > mailto:mailto:Syncro_T3_Australia-traditional%40yahoogroups.com?subject=Change%20Delivery%20Format:%20Traditional > [16] > mailto:mailto:Syncro_T3_Australia-digest%40yahoogroups.com?subject=Email%20Delivery:%20Digest > [17] > mailto:mailto:Syncro_T3_Australia-unsubscribe%40yahoogroups.com?subject=Unsubscribe > [18] http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ > [19] > mailto:ygroupsnotifications@yahoogroupscom?subject=Feedback%20on%20the%20redesigned%20individual%20mail%20v1 >
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On 3/8/2013 5:12 PM, greg esposito wrote:
The only thing that will do is increase the intensity of an engine fire!!!

From: Scott Daniel - Turbovans <ScottDaniel@turbovans.com>
To: Syncro_T3_Australia@yahoogroups.com
Cc: plander@optusnet.com.au
Sent: Saturday, 9 March 2013 12:04 PM
Subject: Re: [Syncro_T3_Australia] Re: Exhaust sensors
I have a 2.1 ecu that is supposedly 'chipped.'
It doesn't run any stronger than a stock one that I can tell.
the only thing it does is run the fuel pump continuously any time the key is on ..
which is sure not right or safe.


On 3/8/2013 5:02 PM, plander@optusnet.com.au wrote:
Good thanks. I thought that the full throttle switch would take it to the full optimal rich and didn't know about the delay.

I wonder how good the reprogrammed chips are for getting around this?

Phill



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Phill, as you know the genuine set up is always aiming for stoiciometric point of unleaded fuel (14.7). What Eddie and I are able to do with the innovative guage and its dual outputs is use an infinately adjustable vacuum switch to get a rich mixture on hard accel (say 12.8). This really does give a noticable kick of power. The big problem with digifant is that there is no fast reacting, mixture richening mechanism for acceleration. The pre programed maps are very conservative and you will find that a perfectly working system will actually go lean on accel. Greg

From: eddie mailto:bergodaz@ozemail.com.au To: Syncro_T3_Australia@yahoogroups.com Sent: Saturday, 9 March 2013 11:00 AM Subject: [Syncro_T3_Australia] Re: Exhaust sensors
Phil, takes the full throttle switch about 30 seconds to react. By this time ,the hill you've just climbed is all but gone. Mine reacts in about half a second giving me extra go when I need it. --- In mailto:Syncro_T3_Australia%40yahoogroups.com, plander@... wrote: > > Isn't that what the stock one does? > > I thought that once the full throttle switch was closed it bypassed > the sensor and ran to the rich end of the scale. The O2 sensor is just > a fine adjustment. If you disconnect it, it will just run to the > richer end of the normal operating range. The airflow metering is the > cause of Vanagon syndrome, not the O2 sensor. > > Phill > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: mailto:Syncro_T3_Australia%40yahoogroups.com > To: > Cc: > Sent:Fri, 08 Mar 2013 21:48:30 -0000 > Subject:[Syncro_T3_Australia] Re: Exhaust sensors > > Â > > Or for an extra 100 bucks get yourself an Innovate air fuel ratio > gauge which comes with its own 02 sensor. Been running mine with the > two airfuel ratios I programmed into itfor nearly a year now ( about > 20000k's) and its running great. Runs nice and rich when I put my foot > down and lean when I'm cruizing. The stock 02 sensor can't give you > that. > > --- In mailto:Syncro_T3_Australia%40yahoogroups.com [1], Scott Daniel - > Turbovans wrote: > > > > Greetings all, > > re how much does an 02 sensor cost . Here in Oregon an OE style one > > > with the right connectors could be as high as $ 90 to 130 US . > > An aftermarket generic Bosch one that you splice in might be $ 60 > to 70 US. > > > > I suppose having a hollow cat downstream of an 02sensor could > affect how > > it reads the exhaust .. > > I wouldn't think so though really ..Many waterboxer engines are > running > > with hollowed out cats. > > > > btw ..regarding poor fuel mileage ...consider if cat ( or muffler ) > > > might be starting to fail or partially clogged. > > I have seen them look ok looking into both ends , but in themiddle > > starting to fail. > > > > yeah ..it's always a good test if it's not running right to > disconnect > > the 02. > > 02 input is bypassed at wide open throttle btw. > > I have not seen this issue myself but I have read about shorted 02 > > coaxial cable ..and seen one or two vans with a new wire spliced in > near > > the ecu. > > > > re apprarent engine power ....were tiresizes about the same ? Extra > big > > ties eat up apparent engine power. > > > > scott > > turbovans > > > > On 3/8/2013 5:34 AM, Ken Garratt wrote: > > > > > > Hi Philip, > > > It's said the engine runs rich when the Oxy sensor is > disconnected or > > > has failed, so running the engine in that state long term may not > be a > > > good idea. > > > It's said the Oxy sensor may not sense so well if the internals > of the > > > Catalytic Converter are shot/non existent. > > > A useful thing to know is that if your van should ever have the > > > symptoms of "Vanagon Syndrome", it's worth trying disconnecting > the > > > large green wire of the Oxy sensor leads .. this may help get > you home. > > > > > > Examples of Oxy Sensor pricing from usual US suppliers, plus > shipping > > > cost: > > > https://www.busdepot.com/13957 [2] > > > > http://www.van-cafe.com/home/van_1223689737929/page_347_1217/oxygen_sensor_-_complete.html > [3] > > > > > > Cheers. > > > Ken > > > > > > > > > ---------------------------------------------------------- > > > To: mailto:Syncro_T3_Australia%40yahoogroups.com [4] > > > CC: dobson_hamish@ > > > From: philipmacrae@ > > > Date: Thu, 7 Mar 2013 23:07:58 -0800 > > > Subject: Re: [Syncro_T3_Australia] Exhaust sensors > > > > > > > > > Scott, > > > What does a new Oxygen Sensor cost these days??? > > > I remember being told my Oxygen Sensor was exhausted so mechanic > > > disconnected it and the car went well disconnected for a long > time. > > > Not Totally sure if its connected today because its in the shop > > > getting the ten year old penrite synthetic transmission oil > changed > > > so I cant check. > > > I never replaced it. > > > I always check the fuel consumption as I always fill the tank. > > > Using 95 Super petrol Getting about 11.5 lt per 100k without > decoupler > > > or diflock etc. Motor is original 255,000km. purchased with > 98,000km. > > > The VC is probably also exhausted! > > > Oil consumption is 1 litre per 10,000km or less depending on type > of > > > driving ie city vs highway or dirt roads. > > > When I drove the car for some years without the drive shaft (so > 2WD) I > > > think I got about 10.5lt per 100k. > > > Other Syncros I have driven have had better acceleration than > mine > > > > > > *From:* Scott Daniel - Turbovans > > > *To:* mailto:Syncro_T3_Australia%40yahoogroups.com [5] > > > *Cc:* Hamish Dobson > > > *Sent:* Wednesday, 6 March 2013 1:53 PM > > > *Subject:* Re: [Syncro_T3_Australia] Exhaust sensors > > > Imagine all the gasoline wasted in all that time by not having it > > > > running really right. > > > Possibly rough on the engine having it run rich .. > > > like rough on the oil. > > > They are real easy to check for good function too ...the oxygen > sensor > > > > > > > > > On 3/6/2013 1:32 PM, Hamish Dobson wrote: > > > > > > Hi all I recently replaced my exhaust sensor. Was the original > > > that I never changed when I rebuilt my engine aprx 15000 km ago. > > > I was always suffering from poor low down drivability issues due > > > to over fueling. At traffic lights the car would bog down and and > > > it got hot it got worse....then other times it was fine. > > > > > > After changing it and having to splice it into the wiring the car > > > is like a whole new car. > > > > > > Very very pleased. > > > > > > Sent from my iPhone > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ------------------------- > Email sent using Optus Webmail > > Links: > ------ > [1] mailto:Syncro_T3_Australia%40yahoogroups.com > [2] https://www.busdepot.com/13957 > [3] > http://www.van-cafe.com/home/van_1223689737929/page_347_1217/oxygen_sensor_-_complete.html > [4] mailto:Syncro_T3_Australia%40yahoogroups.com > [5] mailto:Syncro_T3_Australia%40yahoogroups.com > [6] > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Syncro_T3_Australia/post;_ylc=X3oDMTJyaXUzaGpkBF9TAzk3MzU5NzE0BGdycElkAzEzMjY3MzE1BGdycHNwSWQDMTcwOTkyNjI0MARtc2dJZAMyMDUyNwRzZWMDZnRyBHNsawNycGx5BHN0aW1lAzEzNjI3NzkzMTI-?act=reply&messageNum=20527 > [7] mailto:bergodaz@...?subject=Re%3A%20Exhaust%20sensors > [8] > mailto:mailto:Syncro_T3_Australia%40yahoogroups.com?subject=Re%3A%20Exhaust%20sensors > [9] > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Syncro_T3_Australia/post;_ylc=X3oDMTJmb3V1ZnAxBF9TAzk3MzU5NzE0BGdycElkAzEzMjY3MzE1BGdycHNwSWQDMTcwOTkyNjI0MARzZWMDZnRyBHNsawNudHBjBHN0aW1lAzEzNjI3NzkzMTI- > [10] > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Syncro_T3_Australia/message/20476;_ylc=X3oDMTM3bTRuNTZrBF9TAzk3MzU5NzE0BGdycElkAzEzMjY3MzE1BGdycHNwSWQDMTcwOTkyNjI0MARtc2dJZAMyMDUyNwRzZWMDZnRyBHNsawN2dHBjBHN0aW1lAzEzNjI3NzkzMTIEdHBjSWQDMjA0NzY- > [11] > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Syncro_T3_Australia/members;_ylc=X3oDMTJnamhkOTIxBF9TAzk3MzU5NzE0BGdycElkAzEzMjY3MzE1BGdycHNwSWQDMTcwOTkyNjI0MARzZWMDdnRsBHNsawN2bWJycwRzdGltZQMxMzYyNzc5MzEy?o=6 > [12] > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Syncro_T3_Australia/spnew;_ylc=X3oDMTJnZWdlZHVhBF9TAzk3MzU5NzE0BGdycElkAzEzMjY3MzE1BGdycHNwSWQDMTcwOTkyNjI0MARzZWMDdnRsBHNsawN2cGhvdARzdGltZQMxMzYyNzc5MzEy > [13] > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Syncro_T3_Australia;_ylc=X3oDMTJmZDI3djV2BF9TAzk3MzU5NzE0BGdycElkAzEzMjY3MzE1BGdycHNwSWQDMTcwOTkyNjI0MARzZWMDdnRsBHNsawN2Z2hwBHN0aW1lAzEzNjI3NzkzMTI- > [14] > http://groups.yahoo.com/;_ylc=X3oDMTJlY2JzdTI2BF9TAzk3MzU5NzE0BGdycElkAzEzMjY3MzE1BGdycHNwSWQDMTcwOTkyNjI0MARzZWMDZnRyBHNsawNnZnAEc3RpbWUDMTM2Mjc3OTMxMg-- > [15] > mailto:mailto:Syncro_T3_Australia-traditional%40yahoogroups.com?subject=Change%20Delivery%20Format:%20Traditional > [16] > mailto:mailto:Syncro_T3_Australia-digest%40yahoogroups.com?subject=Email%20Delivery:%20Digest > [17] > mailto:mailto:Syncro_T3_Australia-unsubscribe%40yahoogroups.com?subject=Unsubscribe > [18] http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ > [19] > mailto:ygroupsnotifications@yahoogroupscom?subject=Feedback%20on%20the%20redesigned%20individual%20mail%20v1 >
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The problem with the full throttle switch is you have to hit full throttle for it to work as well as the delay. Our set up cuts in relative to engine load not throttle position.
If we are talking about the chips that John at aircooled.net was selling, all the write ups I have read talk about an increase in fuel economy and not much in terms of power. I once worked in an Audi dealership that the sales manager was selling chips to customers, they reported much the same. That's not to say that it never works, I have fitted eproms to 90's model BMW's with good results. It is all up to the testing (dyno) and what the programmer is trying to achieve. Too often they try to get peak power increases rather than good drivabilty and small increases in power where you really need it. Greg
 
 
 
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I meant the chips that Vintage Vee Dub Supplies in Sydney were selling.



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The problem with the full throttle switch is you have to hit full throttle for it to work as well as the delay. Our set up cuts in relative to engine load not throttle position.
If we are talking about the chips that John at aircooled.net was selling, all the write ups I have read talk about an increase in fuel economy and not much in terms of power. I once worked in an Audi dealership that the sales manager was selling chips to customers, they reported much the same. That's not to say that it never works, I have fitted eproms to 90's model BMW's with good results. It is all up to the testing (dyno) and what the programmer is trying to achieve. Too often they try to get peak power increases rather than good drivabilty and small increases in power where you really need it. Greg
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Hi Eddie,
This 'Innovate air fuel ratio gauge which comes with its own 02 sensor'.
How can one acquire one of these?
Additionally how did u integrate it with the Vw ecu? Can you explain in more detail how u installed it and got it working?
Best regards
Hamish

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On 09/03/2013, at 7:48 AM, "eddie" <bergodaz@ozemail.com.au> wrote:

> Or for an extra 100 bucks get yourself an Innovate air fuel ratio gauge which comes with its own 02 sensor. Been running mine withMax the Machwo airfuel ratios I programmed into itfor nearly a year now ( about 20000k's) and its running great. Runs nice and rich when I put my foot down and lean when I'm cruizing. The stock 02 sensor can't give you that.
>
> --- In Syncro_T3_Australia@yahoogroups.com, Scott Daniel - Turbovans <ScottDaniel@...> wrote:
>>
>> Greetings all,
>> re how much does an 02 sensor cost . Here in Oregon an OE style one
>> with the right connectors could be as high as $ 90 to 130 US .
>> An aftermarket generic Bosch one that you splice in might be $ 60 to 70 US.
>>
>> I suppose having a hollow cat downstream of an 02sensor could affect how
>> it reads the exhaust ..
>> I wouldn't think so though really ..Many waterboxer engines are running
>> with hollowed out cats.
>>
>> btw ..regarding poor fuel mileage ...consider if cat ( or muffler )
>> might be starting to fail or partially clogged.
>> I have seen them look ok looking into both ends , but in themiddle
>> starting to fail.
>>
>> yeah ..it's always a good test if it's not running right to disconnect
>> the 02.
>> 02 input is bypassed at wide open throttle btw.
>> I have not seen this issue myself but I have read about shorted 02
>> coaxial cable ..and seen one or two vans with a new wire spliced in near
>> the ecu.
>>
>> re apprarent engine power ....were tiresizes about the same ? Extra big
>> ties eat up apparent engine power.
>>
>> scott
>> turbovans
>>
>> On 3/8/2013 5:34 AM, Ken Garratt wrote:
>>>
>>> Hi Philip,
>>> It's said the engine runs rich when the Oxy sensor is disconnected or
>>> has failed, so running the engine in that state long term may not be a
>>> good idea.
>>> It's said the Oxy sensor may not sense so well if the internals of the
>>> Catalytic Converter are shot/non existent.
>>> A useful thing to know is that if your van should ever have the
>>> symptoms of "Vanagon Syndrome", it's worth trying disconnecting the
>>> large green wire of the Oxy sensor leads ... this may help get you home.
>>>
>>> Examples of Oxy Sensor pricing from usual US suppliers, plus shipping
>>> cost:
>>> https://www.busdepot.com/13957
>>> http://www.van-cafe.com/home/van_1223689737929/page_347_1217/oxygen_sensor_-_complete.html
>>>
>>> Cheers.
>>> Ken
>>>
>>>
>>> ------------------------------------------------------------------------
>>> To: Syncro_T3_Australia@yahoogroups.com
>>> CC: dobson_hamish@...
>>> From: philipmacrae@...
>>> Date: Thu, 7 Mar 2013 23:07:58 -0800
>>> Subject: Re: [Syncro_T3_Australia] Exhaust sensors
>>>
>>>
>>> Scott,
>>> What does a new Oxygen Sensor cost these days???
>>> I remember being told my Oxygen Sensor was exhausted so mechanic
>>> disconnected it and the car went well disconnected for a long time.
>>> Not Totally sure if its connected today because its in the shop
>>> getting the ten year old penrite synthetic transmission oil changed
>>> so I cant check.
>>> I never replaced it.
>>> I always check the fuel consumption as I always fill the tank.
>>> Using 95 Super petrol Getting about 11.5 lt per 100k without decoupler
>>> or diflock etc. Motor is original 255,000km. purchased with 98,000km.
>>> The VC is probably also exhausted!
>>> Oil consumption is 1 litre per 10,000km or less depending on type of
>>> driving ie city vs highway or dirt roads.
>>> When I drove the car for some years without the drive shaft (so 2WD) I
>>> think I got about 10.5lt per 100k.
>>> Other Syncros I have driven have had better acceleration than mine.
>>>
>>> *From:* Scott Daniel - Turbovans <ScottDaniel@...>
>>> *To:* Syncro_T3_Australia@yahoogroups.com
>>> *Cc:* Hamish Dobson <dobson_hamish@...>
>>> *Sent:* Wednesday, 6 March 2013 1:53 PM
>>> *Subject:* Re: [Syncro_T3_Australia] Exhaust sensors
>>> Imagine all the gasoline wasted in all that time by not having it
>>> running really right.
>>> Possibly rough on the engine having it run rich ..
>>> like rough on the oil.
>>> They are real easy to check for good function too ...the oxygen sensor.
>>>
>>>
>>> On 3/6/2013 1:32 PM, Hamish Dobson wrote:
>>>
>>> Hi all I recently replaced my exhaust sensor. Was the original
>>> that I never changed when I rebuilt my engine aprx 15000 km ago.
>>> I was always suffering from poor low down drivability issues due
>>> to over fueling. At traffic lights the car would bog down and and
>>> it got hot it got worse....then other times it was fine.
>>>
>>> After changing it and having to splice it into the wiring the car
>>> is like a whole new car.
>>>
>>> Very very pleased.
>>>
>>> Sent from my iPhone
>
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Les


From: Syncro_T3_Australia@yahoogroups.com [mailto:Syncro_T3_Australia@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Hamish Dobson
Sent: 09 March 2013 17:17
To: Syncro_T3_Australia@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [Syncro_T3_Australia] Re: Exhaust sensors

Hi Eddie,
This 'Innovate air fuel ratio gauge which comes with its own 02 sensor'.
How can one acquire one of these?
Additionally how did u integrate it with the Vw ecu? Can you explain in more detail how u installed it and got it working?
Best regards
Hamish

Do you have spelling correct
'Espodaz Technology Group'
?
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On 09/03/2013, at 4:33 PM, "Les Harris" <leslieharris@optusnet.com.au> wrote:

> Espodaz Technology Group

Hamish,

Yep, sure did!  It isn’t a listed company but the principals of the Espodaz Technology Group are Greg Esposito and Eddie Bergodaz.  They don’t promote themselves and can be hard to find but, if you know anyone on the Syncro_T3_Australia group, ask them to track them down because they are both members of the same group.

Les

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From: Syncro_T3_Australia@yahoogroups.com [mailto:Syncro_T3_Australia@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Hamish Dobson
Sent: 09 March 2013 18:06
To: Syncro_T3_Australia@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [Syncro_T3_Australia] Re: Exhaust sensors

Do you have spelling correct
'Espodaz Technology Group'
?
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