Finally got around to doing a bit of a fuel consumption run. Fully loaded cursing down the Hume at about 110 km I got 16.5 km/100. I will give it a go sitting on 100 km and see what effect it has.
Cheers,
Michael,
Thanks for that. Given the current price of petrol, these figures will be useful. I look forward to the 100KPH figures.
Les
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Sent: 24 April 2011 16:06
To: Syncro_T3_Australia@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [Syncro_T3_Australia]
Fuel consumption on LPG
Finally got around to doing a bit of a fuel consumption run. Fully loaded cursing down the Hume at about 110 km I got 16.5 km/100. I will give it a go sitting on 100 km and see what effect it has.
Cheers,
I've just put some LPG in the Doka for the first time. Scary!
It was filling as slow as hell and i thought what a waste of my life. Anyhow it got to $3.25 and an error came up that said "no flow". Do you think that his tank may be empty??????
I then went to a garage up the road to put $10 in for a test. It filled about ten times faster. Then I backed off the handle at about $9.85 and it clunked and stopped. Maybe LPG is either on or off???
It says in the instructions to fill to 80%. How do you know when it is 80%?
I wish that I knew what I was doing with this stuff. (Wife got out of the Doka and waited 100m away)
Cheers,
Phill
It was filling as slow as hell and i thought what a waste of my life. Anyhow it got to $3.25 and an error came up that said "no flow". Do you think that his tank may be empty??????
I then went to a garage up the road to put $10 in for a test. It filled about ten times faster. Then I backed off the handle at about $9.85 and it clunked and stopped. Maybe LPG is either on or off???
It says in the instructions to fill to 80%. How do you know when it is 80%?
I wish that I knew what I was doing with this stuff. (Wife got out of the Doka and waited 100m away)
Cheers,
Phill
> Michael Roberts <type500@yahoo.com> wrote:
>
> Finally got around to doing a bit of a fuel consumption run.�� Fully
> loaded
> cursing down the Hume at about 110 km I got 16.5 km/100.�� I will give it
> a go
> sitting on 100 km and see what effect it has.
> ��
> Cheers,
Don't you have to open a relief valve before you fill w/ LPG?
BenT
sent from my electronic leash
BenT
sent from my electronic leash
On Apr 24, 2011, at 12:28 AM, plander@optusnet.com.au wrote:
> I've just put some LPG in the Doka for the first time. Scary!
>
> It was filling as slow as hell and i thought what a waste of my life. Anyhow it got to $3.25 and an error came up that said "no flow". Do you think that his tank may be empty??????
>
> I then went to a garage up the road to put $10 in for a test. It filled about ten times faster. Then I backed off the handle at about $9.85 and it clunked and stopped. Maybe LPG is either on or off???
>
> It says in the instructions to fill to 80%. How do you know when it is 80%?
>
> I wish that I knew what I was doing with this stuff. (Wife got out of the Doka and waited 100m away)
>
> Cheers,
>
> Phill
>
>
>
>> Michael Roberts <type500@yahoo.com> wrote:
>>
>> Finally got around to doing a bit of a fuel consumption run. Fully
>> loaded
>> cursing down the Hume at about 110 km I got 16.5 km/100. I will give it
>> a go
>> sitting on 100 km and see what effect it has.
>>
>> Cheers,
>
>
> ------------------------------------
>
> Yahoo! Groups Links
>
>
>
What's a relief valve?
If somebody made a loud noise I would have relieved myself!
Phill
If somebody made a loud noise I would have relieved myself!
Phill
> BenT Syncro <syncro@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> Don't you have to open a relief valve before you fill w/ LPG?
>
>
> BenT
>
> sent from my electronic leash
>
> On Apr 24, 2011, at 12:28 AM, plander@optusnet.com.au wrote:
>
> > I've just put some LPG in the Doka for the first time. Scary!
> >
> > It was filling as slow as hell and i thought what a waste of my life.
> Anyhow it got to $3.25 and an error came up that said "no flow". Do you
> think that his tank may be empty??????
> >
> > I then went to a garage up the road to put $10 in for a test. It
> filled about ten times faster. Then I backed off the handle at about
> $9.85 and it clunked and stopped. Maybe LPG is either on or off???
> >
> > It says in the instructions to fill to 80%. How do you know when it is
> 80%?
> >
> > I wish that I knew what I was doing with this stuff. (Wife got out of
> the Doka and waited 100m away)
> >
> > Cheers,
> >
> > Phill
> >
> >
> >
> >> Michael Roberts <type500@yahoo.com> wrote:
> >>
> >> Finally got around to doing a bit of a fuel consumption run. Fully
> >> loaded
> >> cursing down the Hume at about 110 km I got 16.5 km/100. I will give
> it
> >> a go
> >> sitting on 100 km and see what effect it has.
> >>
> >> Cheers,
> >
> >
> > ------------------------------------
> >
> > Yahoo! Groups Links
> >
> >
> >
Hi Michael,
Sorry, was that 16.5 litres per 100km at 110km/h? What are you NSW people paying at the bowser for LPG? Yes, with the rising price of petrol installing LPG is looking more attractive by the day.
Regards,
Francesca.
On 24 April 2011 18:22, <plander@optusnet.com.au> wrote:
What's a relief valve?
If somebody made a loud noise I would have relieved myself!
Phill
> BenT Syncro <syncro@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> Don't you have to open a relief valve before you fill w/ LPG?
>
>
> BenT
>
> sent from my electronic leash
>
> On Apr 24, 2011, at 12:28 AM, plander@optusnet.com.au wrote:
>
> > I've just put some LPG in the Doka for the first time. Scary!
> >
> > It was filling as slow as hell and i thought what a waste of my life.
> Anyhow it got to $3.25 and an error came up that said "no flow". Do you
> think that his tank may be empty??????
> >
> > I then went to a garage up the road to put $10 in for a test. It
> filled about ten times faster. Then I backed off the handle at about
> $9.85 and it clunked and stopped. Maybe LPG is either on or off???
> >
> > It says in the instructions to fill to 80%. How do you know when it is
> 80%?
> >
> > I wish that I knew what I was doing with this stuff. (Wife got out of
> the Doka and waited 100m away)
> >
> > Cheers,
> >
> > Phill
> >
> >
> >
> >> Michael Roberts <type500@yahoo.com> wrote:
> >>
> >> Finally got around to doing a bit of a fuel consumption run. Fully
> >> loaded
> >> cursing down the Hume at about 110 km I got 16.5 km/100. I will give
> it
> >> a go
> >> sitting on 100 km and see what effect it has.
> >>
> >> Cheers,
> >
> >
> > ------------------------------------
> >
> > Yahoo! Groups Links
> >
> >
> >
60.9 cents/litre
Do the maths before committing yourself.
Phill
Do the maths before committing yourself.
Phill
> Francesca Coles <fcoles6@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> Hi Michael,
>
> Sorry, was that 16.5 litres per 100km at 110km/h? What are you NSW
> people
> paying at the bowser for LPG? Yes, with the rising price of petrol
> installing LPG is looking more attractive by the day.
>
> Regards,
>
> Francesca.
>
> On 24 April 2011 18:22, <plander@optusnet.com.au> wrote:
>
> >
> >
> > What's a relief valve?
> >
> > If somebody made a loud noise I would have relieved myself!
> >
> > Phill
> >
> >
> > > BenT Syncro <syncro@gmail.com> wrote:
> > >
> > > Don't you have to open a relief valve before you fill w/ LPG?
> > >
> > >
> > > BenT
> > >
> > > sent from my electronic leash
> > >
> > > On Apr 24, 2011, at 12:28 AM, plander@optusnet.com.au wrote:
> > >
> > > > I've just put some LPG in the Doka for the first time. Scary!
> > > >
> > > > It was filling as slow as hell and i thought what a waste of my
> life.
> > > Anyhow it got to $3.25 and an error came up that said "no flow". Do
> you
> > > think that his tank may be empty??????
> > > >
> > > > I then went to a garage up the road to put $10 in for a test. It
> > > filled about ten times faster. Then I backed off the handle at about
> > > $9.85 and it clunked and stopped. Maybe LPG is either on or off???
> > > >
> > > > It says in the instructions to fill to 80%. How do you know when
> it is
> > > 80%?
> > > >
> > > > I wish that I knew what I was doing with this stuff. (Wife got out
> of
> > > the Doka and waited 100m away)
> > > >
> > > > Cheers,
> > > >
> > > > Phill
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >> Michael Roberts <type500@yahoo.com> wrote:
> > > >>
> > > >> Finally got around to doing a bit of a fuel consumption run.
> Fully
> > > >> loaded
> > > >> cursing down the Hume at about 110 km I got 16.5 km/100. I will
> give
> > > it
> > > >> a go
> > > >> sitting on 100 km and see what effect it has.
> > > >>
> > > >> Cheers,
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > ------------------------------------
> > > >
> > > > Yahoo! Groups Links
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> >
> >
> >
HI Phill,
If the system was fitted correctly the LPG tank should only ever fill to about 80% there is a shut off built into them to make sure of it. All you have to do is fill the tank untill it stops filling.
Cheers,
Michael Roberts
From: "plander@optusnet.com.au" <plander@optusnet.com.au>
To: Syncro_T3_Australia@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Sun, April 24, 2011 5:28:12 PM
Subject: Re: [Syncro_T3_Australia] Fuel consumption on LPG
I've just put some LPG in the Doka for the first time. Scary!
It was filling as slow as hell and i thought what a waste of my life. Anyhow it got to $3.25 and an error came up that said "no flow". Do you think that his tank may be empty??????
I then went to a garage up the road to put $10 in for a test. It filled about ten times faster. Then I backed off the handle at about $9.85 and it clunked and stopped. Maybe LPG is either on or off???
It says in the instructions to fill to 80%. How do you know when it is 80%?
I wish that I knew what I was doing with this stuff. (Wife got out of the Doka and waited 100m away)
Cheers,
Phill
> Michael Roberts <type500@yahoo.com> wrote:------------------------------------
>
> Finally got around to doing a bit of a fuel consumption run. Fully
> loaded
> cursing down the Hume at about 110 km I got 16.5 km/100. I will give it
> a go
> sitting on 100 km and see what effect it has.
>
> Cheers,
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Thanks Michael.
I have nil knowlege of this stuff.
Phill
I have nil knowlege of this stuff.
Phill
> Michael Roberts <type500@yahoo.com> wrote:
>
> HI Phill,
> If the system was fitted correctly the LPG tank should only ever fill to
> about
> 80%�� there is a shut off built into them to make sure of it.�� All you
> have to do
> is fill the tank untill it stops filling.��
>
>
> Cheers,
>
> Michael Roberts
>
>
>
> ________________________________
> From: "plander@optusnet.com.au" <plander@optusnet.com.au>
> To: Syncro_T3_Australia@yahoogroups.com
> Sent: Sun, April 24, 2011 5:28:12 PM
> Subject: Re: [Syncro_T3_Australia] Fuel consumption on LPG
>
> I've just put some LPG in the Doka for the first time. Scary!
>
> It was filling as slow as hell and i thought what a waste of my life.
> Anyhow it
> got to $3.25 and an error came up that said "no flow".�� Do you think
> that his
> tank may be empty??????
>
> I then went to a garage up the road to put $10 in for a test. It filled
> about
> ten times faster. Then I backed off the handle at about $9.85 and it
> clunked and
> stopped. Maybe LPG is either on or off???
>
> It says in the instructions to fill to 80%. How do you know when it is
> 80%?
>
> I wish that I knew what I was doing with this stuff. (Wife got out of
> the Doka
> and waited 100m away)
>
> Cheers,
>
> Phill
>
>
>
> > Michael Roberts <type500@yahoo.com> wrote:
> >
> > Finally got around to doing a bit of a fuel consumption run.�� Fully
> > loaded
> > cursing down the Hume at about 110 km I got 16.5 km/100.�� I will give
> it
> > a go
> > sitting on 100 km and see what effect it has.
> > ��
> > Cheers,
>
>
> ------------------------------------
>
> Yahoo! Groups Links
>
>
>
> �� �� http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
Hi Michael R.
You are doing well on your LPG mileage .How accurate is you speedometer?
When mine shows 100 km the actual speed is only 92/93 km.
In regards to the filling up the LPG tank, unfortunately it is a slow
process with anything up to 10 minutes in my case
and you have to hold the trigger nozzle tight but hey, at 54 cents a
lit -. a small price to pay.
Cheers, Theo
You are doing well on your LPG mileage .How accurate is you speedometer?
When mine shows 100 km the actual speed is only 92/93 km.
In regards to the filling up the LPG tank, unfortunately it is a slow
process with anything up to 10 minutes in my case
and you have to hold the trigger nozzle tight but hey, at 54 cents a
lit -. a small price to pay.
Cheers, Theo
Speedos normally read +5 to +10% of speed. The odometer is usually accurate.
I think that I may have released the trigger early.
It's there so I will use it but I don't think that it is worth fitting though.
Still learning.
Phill
I think that I may have released the trigger early.
It's there so I will use it but I don't think that it is worth fitting though.
Still learning.
Phill
> Theo Weiss <teows@melbpc.org.au> wrote:
>
> Hi Michael R.
>
> You are doing well on your LPG mileage .How accurate is you speedometer?
> When mine shows 100 km the actual speed is only 92/93 km.
>
> In regards to the filling up the LPG tank, unfortunately it is a slow
> process with anything up to 10 minutes in my case
> and you have to hold the trigger nozzle tight but hey, at 54 cents a
> lit -. a small price to pay.
>
> Cheers, Theo
Hi Theo,
I running slightly larger wheels than normal 215 R15 80 and this seems to put my speedo about 1 to 2 km under at 100km/hr. I checked it against the mile markers south of Tarcata and by the 5 km marker I could hardly see any differance.
Cheers,
michael Roberts
From: "plander@optusnet.com.au" <plander@optusnet.com.au>
To: Syncro_T3_Australia@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Mon, April 25, 2011 12:12:42 PM
Subject: Re: [Syncro_T3_Australia] Re: Fuel consumption on LPG
Speedos normally read +5 to +10% of speed. The odometer is usually accurate.
I think that I may have released the trigger early.
It's there so I will use it but I don't think that it is worth fitting though.
Still learning.
Phill
> Theo Weiss <teows@melbpc.org.au> wrote:
>
> Hi Michael R.
>
> You are doing well on your LPG mileage .How accurate is you speedometer?
> When mine shows 100 km the actual speed is only 92/93 km.
>
> In regards to the filling up the LPG tank, unfortunately it is a slow
> process with anything up to 10 minutes in my case
> and you have to hold the trigger nozzle tight but hey, at 54 cents a
> lit -. a small price to pay.
>
> Cheers, Theo
Hi Theo and Michael (Roberts),
Just wondering if you could give us a brief description of the specs for conversion of the Waterboxer 2.1 to a dual fuel system. I think I will look at shopping around for quotes, but need to give an indication of the type of conversion, I guess (i.e. I want to sound a bit less clueless than I actually am!). The electronic component of the LPG system has to 'talk' correctly to the digifant, is that right? We're thinking about a short mid-year trip north (perhaps including Fraser Island), so would be good to make a decision re LPG before then. Would be fantastic to have a greater range than 400km with dual fuel too. Your thoughts appreciated, Theo, you did say you'd had problems with your conversion initially, but I've forgotten the gist of what you said.
Regards,
Francesca.
On 25 April 2011 12:28, Michael Roberts <type500@yahoo.com> wrote:
Hi Theo,I running slightly larger wheels than normal 215 R15 80 and this seems to put my speedo about 1 to 2 km under at 100km/hr. I checked it against the mile markers south of Tarcata and by the 5 km marker I could hardly see any differance.Cheers,michael Roberts
Sent: Mon, April 25, 2011 12:12:42 PM
Subject: Re: [Syncro_T3_Australia] Re: Fuel consumption on LPG
Speedos normally read +5 to +10% of speed. The odometer is usually accurate.
I think that I may have released the trigger early.
It's there so I will use it but I don't think that it is worth fitting though.
Still learning.
Phill
> Theo Weiss <teows@melbpc.org.au> wrote:
>
> Hi Michael R.
>
> You are doing well on your LPG mileage .How accurate is you speedometer?
> When mine shows 100 km the actual speed is only 92/93 km.
>
> In regards to the filling up the LPG tank, unfortunately it is a slow
> process with anything up to 10 minutes in my case
> and you have to hold the trigger nozzle tight but hey, at 54 cents a
> lit -. a small price to pay.
>
> Cheers, Theo
Hi Francesca,
After the wheels, which you executed ever so brilliantly, I started to wonder what you would be up to next....... And here you are,,,,investigating gas.! and who hasn't ? to be honest with you --- I have not, reason being and having observed various Governments (more then most ), I fear that the prices will be 'adjusted' (upwards) once enough motorists have
subscribed to to it. And LPG after all originates from crude oil.
And crude might come down in price again once the Arabs gotten rid of Obama.......or they might have got used to the daily haul....
But nevertheless I too had to find a solution which worked for me/us. I dceided to cut down drastically on car movements and invest in a POLO 66 for daily driving. With 1100 km
ffrom 50 ltr diesel we are way ahead and can afford our trips with the Tristar or the Trakka. Worx for us and saves us the cost of conversion plus the troubles associated with that.
Please bear in mind when reading this, this is OUR choice of solution, matched to OUR circumstances, yours are entirely different, just put all the options onto the table and select the one which fits YOUR cicumstances best.
Hartmut (PLEASE call in when heading North)
To: Syncro_T3_Australia@yahoogroups.com
From: fcoles6@gmail.com
Date: Mon, 25 Apr 2011 13:17:50 +1000
Subject: Re: [Syncro_T3_Australia] Re: Fuel consumption on LPG
After the wheels, which you executed ever so brilliantly, I started to wonder what you would be up to next....... And here you are,,,,investigating gas.! and who hasn't ? to be honest with you --- I have not, reason being and having observed various Governments (more then most ), I fear that the prices will be 'adjusted' (upwards) once enough motorists have
subscribed to to it. And LPG after all originates from crude oil.
And crude might come down in price again once the Arabs gotten rid of Obama.......or they might have got used to the daily haul....
But nevertheless I too had to find a solution which worked for me/us. I dceided to cut down drastically on car movements and invest in a POLO 66 for daily driving. With 1100 km
ffrom 50 ltr diesel we are way ahead and can afford our trips with the Tristar or the Trakka. Worx for us and saves us the cost of conversion plus the troubles associated with that.
Please bear in mind when reading this, this is OUR choice of solution, matched to OUR circumstances, yours are entirely different, just put all the options onto the table and select the one which fits YOUR cicumstances best.
Hartmut (PLEASE call in when heading North)
To: Syncro_T3_Australia@yahoogroups.com
From: fcoles6@gmail.com
Date: Mon, 25 Apr 2011 13:17:50 +1000
Subject: Re: [Syncro_T3_Australia] Re: Fuel consumption on LPG
Hi Theo and Michael (Roberts),
Just wondering if you could give us a brief description of the specs for conversion of the Waterboxer 2.1 to a dual fuel system. I think I will look at shopping around for quotes, but need to give an indication of the type of conversion, I guess (i.e. I want to sound a bit less clueless than I actually am!). The electronic component of the LPG system has to 'talk' correctly to the digifant, is that right? We're thinking about a short mid-year trip north (perhaps including Fraser Island), so would be good to make a decision re LPG before then. Would be fantastic to have a greater range than 400km with dual fuel too. Your thoughts appreciated, Theo, you did say you'd had problems with your conversion initially, but I've forgotten the gist of what you said.
Regards,
Francesca.
On 25 April 2011 12:28, Michael Roberts <type500@yahoo.com> wrote:
Hi Theo,I running slightly larger wheels than normal 215 R15 80 and this seems to put my speedo about 1 to 2 km under at 100km/hr. I checked it against the mile markers south of Tarcata and by the 5 km marker I could hardly see any differance.Cheers,michael Roberts
Sent: Mon, April 25, 2011 12:12:42 PM
Subject: Re: [Syncro_T3_Australia] Re: Fuel consumption on LPG
Speedos normally read +5 to +10% of speed. The odometer is usually accurate.
I think that I may have released the trigger early.
It's there so I will use it but I don't think that it is worth fitting though.
Still learning.
Phill
> Theo Weiss <teows@melbpc.org.au> wrote:
>
> Hi Michael R.
>
> You are doing well on your LPG mileage .How accurate is you speedometer?
> When mine shows 100 km the actual speed is only 92/93 km.
>
> In regards to the filling up the LPG tank, unfortunately it is a slow
> process with anything up to 10 minutes in my case
> and you have to hold the trigger nozzle tight but hey, at 54 cents a
> lit -. a small price to pay.
>
> Cheers, Theo
Francesca, the LPG system fitted to mine is the most reliable system in the whole van! Running costs equate to approx half of running on petrol. Filling is easier than petrol as most of the gas fillers have triggers you can lock in place until the tank is full(80% full).The only problems I had were with blown air flow meters, but have learned the hard way how to overcome this(good engine tune).One other item that I feel is essential with a gas conversion is an oil cooler (which I have recntly installed) as gas creates higher combustion temps & as a result breaks down oils more than when running on petrol.
Mine was done about 15 years ago by Campbellfield Gas Conversions and have only had it serviced twice since then.The company is still operating but don't know if they still do conversions on T3's.I guess the biggest problem on a camper, is tank placement .There are a few different tank styles and capacities ,so it all comes down to personal preference.Hope this helps, cheers Eddie.
Mine was done about 15 years ago by Campbellfield Gas Conversions and have only had it serviced twice since then.The company is still operating but don't know if they still do conversions on T3's.I guess the biggest problem on a camper, is tank placement .There are a few different tank styles and capacities ,so it all comes down to personal preference.Hope this helps, cheers Eddie.
--- In Syncro_T3_Australia@yahoogroups.com, Francesca Coles <fcoles6@...> wrote:
>
> Hi Theo and Michael (Roberts),
>
> Just wondering if you could give us a brief description of the specs for
> conversion of the Waterboxer 2.1 to a dual fuel system. I think I will look
> at shopping around for quotes, but need to give an indication of the type of
> conversion, I guess (i.e. I want to sound a bit less clueless than I
> actually am!). The electronic component of the LPG system has to 'talk'
> correctly to the digifant, is that right? We're thinking about a short
> mid-year trip north (perhaps including Fraser Island), so would be good to
> make a decision re LPG before then. Would be fantastic to have a greater
> range than 400km with dual fuel too. Your thoughts appreciated, Theo, you
> did say you'd had problems with your conversion initially, but I've
> forgotten the gist of what you said.
>
> Regards,
>
> Francesca.
>
> On 25 April 2011 12:28, Michael Roberts <type500@...> wrote:
>
> >
> >
> > Hi Theo,
> > I running slightly larger wheels than normal 215 R15 80 and this seems to
> > put my speedo about 1 to 2 km under at 100km/hr. I checked it against the
> > mile markers south of Tarcata and by the 5 km marker I could hardly see any
> > differance.
> >
> > Cheers,
> >
> > michael Roberts
> >
> > ------------------------------
> > *From:* "plander@..." <plander@...>
> > *To:* Syncro_T3_Australia@yahoogroups.com
> > *Sent:* Mon, April 25, 2011 12:12:42 PM
> > *Subject:* Re: [Syncro_T3_Australia] Re: Fuel consumption on LPG
> >
> >
> >
> > Speedos normally read +5 to +10% of speed. The odometer is usually
> > accurate.
> >
> > I think that I may have released the trigger early.
> >
> > It's there so I will use it but I don't think that it is worth fitting
> > though.
> >
> > Still learning.
> >
> > Phill
> >
> > > Theo Weiss <teows@...> wrote:
> > >
> > > Hi Michael R.
> > >
> > > You are doing well on your LPG mileage .How accurate is you speedometer?
> > > When mine shows 100 km the actual speed is only 92/93 km.
> > >
> > > In regards to the filling up the LPG tank, unfortunately it is a slow
> > > process with anything up to 10 minutes in my case
> > > and you have to hold the trigger nozzle tight but hey, at 54 cents a
> > > lit -. a small price to pay.
> > >
> > > Cheers, Theo
> >
> >
> >
>
Eddie,
It would be useful to know what happened to the Air Flow Meters and the detail of what you did to get around it.
Les
From:
Syncro_T3_Australia@yahoogroups.com [mailto:
Syncro_T3_Australia@yahoogroups.com ] On Behalf Of bergodaz
Sent: 25 April 2011 16:54
To: Syncro_T3_Australia@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [Syncro_T3_Australia] Re:
Fuel consumption on LPG
Francesca, the LPG system fitted to mine is the most
reliable system in the whole van! Running costs equate to approx half of
running on petrol. Filling is easier than petrol as most of the gas fillers
have triggers you can lock in place until the tank is full(80% full).The only problems I had were
with blown air flow meters, but have learned the hard way how to overcome
this(good engine tune).One other item that I feel is
essential with a gas conversion is an oil cooler (which I have recntly
installed) as gas creates higher combustion temps & as a result breaks down
oils more than when running on petrol.
Mine was done about 15 years ago by Campbellfield Gas Conversions and have only
had it serviced twice since then.The company is still operating but don't know
if they still do conversions on T3's.I guess the biggest problem on a camper,
is tank placement .There are a few different tank styles and capacities ,so it
all comes down to personal preference.Hope this helps, cheers Eddie.
Hi Eddie,
Thanks for that run-down. Good to know you've got many years of service out of yours, and the potential problems. There's still a $1500 rebate up for grabs, so worth getting onto. I might get onto the Campbellfield mob.
Hi Hartmut. I fully understand your cynicism about governments, etc. As you imply, it's horse for courses, though. I hope you're enjoying your Polo; they sounds like great little fuel-efficient cars. I thought you had a Caddy? The Syncro is our sole vehicle these days, because we retired our ultra-reliable but long-in-the-tooth Toyota Camry. We don't do many miles around town at all (cycling is a great alternative), but when you look at long trips, airfares start to seem cheap in comparison to tanking up the Syncro.
It would be a pleasure to drop in on you on our way north. Will let you know the details once they emerge.
Oh well, plenty more thinking and weighing up to do!
Francesca.
On 25 April 2011 17:04, Les Harris <leslieharris@optusnet.com.au> wrote:
Eddie,
It would be useful to know what happened to the Air Flow Meters and the detail of what you did to get around it.
Les
From: Syncro_T3_Australia@yahoogroups.com [mailto:Syncro_T3_Australia@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of bergodaz
Subject: [Syncro_T3_Australia] Re: Fuel consumption on LPG
Sent: 25 April 2011 16:54Francesca, the LPG system fitted to mine is the most reliable system in the whole van! Running costs equate to approx half of running on petrol. Filling is easier than petrol as most of the gas fillers have triggers you can lock in place until the tank is full(80% full).The only problems I had were with blown air flow meters, but have learned the hard way how to overcome this(good engine tune).One other item that I feel is essential with a gas conversion is an oil cooler (which I have recntly installed) as gas creates higher combustion temps & as a result breaks down oils more than when running on petrol.
Mine was done about 15 years ago by Campbellfield Gas Conversions and have only had it serviced twice since then.The company is still operating but don't know if they still do conversions on T3's.I guess the biggest problem on a camper, is tank placement .There are a few different tank styles and capacities ,so it all comes down to personal preference.Hope this helps, cheers Eddie.
Yes, Francesca, we did have a Caddy, too much made in Argentina and it annoyed me once too often, it ended up at the dealers again to help pay for the Polo.
I looked at electric bikes too but our access to Port via the main road is looking for an early departure from all you good people so i gave it a miss.
you are right Francesca, alternative transport is becoming more economical by the day, but it never can match travelling by SYNCRO !
Btw, last month we went up to Byron Bay using the DC and averaged 12.5 ltr / 100km , however this was empty, but going fast. The Trakka is the same as all of yours (16+)
Hartmut
To: Syncro_T3_Australia@yahoogroups.com
From: fcoles6@gmail.com
Date: Mon, 25 Apr 2011 17:54:32 +1000
Subject: Re: [Syncro_T3_Australia] Re: Fuel consumption on LPG
I looked at electric bikes too but our access to Port via the main road is looking for an early departure from all you good people so i gave it a miss.
you are right Francesca, alternative transport is becoming more economical by the day, but it never can match travelling by SYNCRO !
Btw, last month we went up to Byron Bay using the DC and averaged 12.5 ltr / 100km , however this was empty, but going fast. The Trakka is the same as all of yours (16+)
Hartmut
To: Syncro_T3_Australia@yahoogroups.com
From: fcoles6@gmail.com
Date: Mon, 25 Apr 2011 17:54:32 +1000
Subject: Re: [Syncro_T3_Australia] Re: Fuel consumption on LPG
Hi Eddie,
Thanks for that run-down. Good to know you've got many years of service out of yours, and the potential problems. There's still a $1500 rebate up for grabs, so worth getting onto. I might get onto the Campbellfield mob.
Hi Hartmut. I fully understand your cynicism about governments, etc. As you imply, it's horse for courses, though. I hope you're enjoying your Polo; they sounds like great little fuel-efficient cars. I thought you had a Caddy? The Syncro is our sole vehicle these days, because we retired our ultra-reliable but long-in-the-tooth Toyota Camry. We don't do many miles around town at all (cycling is a great alternative), but when you look at long trips, airfares start to seem cheap in comparison to tanking up the Syncro.
It would be a pleasure to drop in on you on our way north. Will let you know the details once they emerge.
Oh well, plenty more thinking and weighing up to do!
Francesca.
On 25 April 2011 17:04, Les Harris <leslieharris@optusnet.com.au> wrote:
Eddie,
It would be useful to know what happened to the Air Flow Meters and the detail of what you did to get around it.
Les
From: Syncro_T3_Australia@yahoogroups.com [mailto:Syncro_T3_Australia@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of bergodaz
Subject: [Syncro_T3_Australia] Re: Fuel consumption on LPG
Sent: 25 April 2011 16:54Francesca, the LPG system fitted to mine is the most reliable system in the whole van! Running costs equate to approx half of running on petrol. Filling is easier than petrol as most of the gas fillers have triggers you can lock in place until the tank is full(80% full).The only problems I had were with blown air flow meters, but have learned the hard way how to overcome this(good engine tune).One other item that I feel is essential with a gas conversion is an oil cooler (which I have recntly installed) as gas creates higher combustion temps & as a result breaks down oils more than when running on petrol.
Mine was done about 15 years ago by Campbellfield Gas Conversions and have only had it serviced twice since then.The company is still operating but don't know if they still do conversions on T3's.I guess the biggest problem on a camper, is tank placement .There are a few different tank styles and capacities ,so it all comes down to personal preference.Hope this helps, cheers Eddie.
Hi Francesca,
My LPG system is a Electronic Direct Injection with it own ECU.The
initial problem was they would not talk to each other.
After much stuffing around they installed a different brand which
runs fine now.
If I have my time again I probably would go for a simpler system like
IMPCO. No LPG ECU to worry about and less cables all over the place.
With our Syncro's we have to be more hands on, so keep it simple.
It certainly pays to shop around a bit to get a feeling of what's
available.A good installer should also offer a Valve Saver Lubrication Unit.
Eddie is right about LPG running hotter and an oil cooler certainly
would help to keep the oil cooler as I found out on a recent trip to QLD
If you push it too hard. The LPG cost will eventually go up with
every thing else as they need to recoup the LPG grant.
By the way, you are more then welcome to have a look at my installation.
Cheers, Theo
My LPG system is a Electronic Direct Injection with it own ECU.The
initial problem was they would not talk to each other.
After much stuffing around they installed a different brand which
runs fine now.
If I have my time again I probably would go for a simpler system like
IMPCO. No LPG ECU to worry about and less cables all over the place.
With our Syncro's we have to be more hands on, so keep it simple.
It certainly pays to shop around a bit to get a feeling of what's
available.A good installer should also offer a Valve Saver Lubrication Unit.
Eddie is right about LPG running hotter and an oil cooler certainly
would help to keep the oil cooler as I found out on a recent trip to QLD
If you push it too hard. The LPG cost will eventually go up with
every thing else as they need to recoup the LPG grant.
By the way, you are more then welcome to have a look at my installation.
Cheers, Theo
I have the Impco system. I have heard that injection type is much more fuel efficient.
I don't know if the valve saver is really needed. The valves were made for unleaded.
With LPG you need to keep your ignition system in top order as the fuel has more resistance. Spark plugs need to be replaced much more often.
Phill
I don't know if the valve saver is really needed. The valves were made for unleaded.
With LPG you need to keep your ignition system in top order as the fuel has more resistance. Spark plugs need to be replaced much more often.
Phill
> Theo Weiss <teows@melbpc.org.au> wrote:
>
> Hi Francesca,
>
> My LPG system is a Electronic Direct Injection with it own ECU.The
> initial problem was they would not talk to each other.
> After much stuffing around they installed a different brand which
> runs fine now.
> If I have my time again I probably would go for a simpler system like
> IMPCO. No LPG ECU to worry about and less cables all over the place.
> With our Syncro's we have to be more hands on, so keep it simple.
> It certainly pays to shop around a bit to get a feeling of what's
> available.A good installer should also offer a Valve Saver Lubrication
> Unit.
> Eddie is right about LPG running hotter and an oil cooler certainly
> would help to keep the oil cooler as I found out on a recent trip to QLD
> If you push it too hard. The LPG cost will eventually go up with
> every thing else as they need to recoup the LPG grant.
> By the way, you are more then welcome to have a look at my installation.
>
> Cheers, Theo
>