Finally got around to doing a bit of a fuel consumption run. Fully loaded cursing down the Hume at about 110 km I got 16.5 km/100. I will give it a go sitting on 100 km and see what effect it has.
Cheers,
Finally got around to doing a bit of a fuel consumption run. Fully loaded cursing down the Hume at about 110 km I got 16.5 km/100. I will give it a go sitting on 100 km and see what effect it has.
Cheers,
Michael,
Thanks for that. Given the current price of petrol, these figures will be useful. I look forward to the 100KPH figures.
Les
From:
Syncro_T3_Australia@yahoogroups.com [mailto:
Syncro_T3_Australia@yahoogroups.com ] On Behalf Of Michael Roberts
Sent: 24 April 2011 16:06
To: Syncro_T3_Australia@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [Syncro_T3_Australia]
Fuel consumption on LPG
Finally got around to doing a bit of a fuel consumption run. Fully loaded cursing down the Hume at about 110 km I got 16.5 km/100. I will give it a go sitting on 100 km and see what effect it has.
Cheers,
> Michael Roberts <type500@yahoo.com> wrote:
>
> Finally got around to doing a bit of a fuel consumption run.�� Fully
> loaded
> cursing down the Hume at about 110 km I got 16.5 km/100.�� I will give it
> a go
> sitting on 100 km and see what effect it has.
> ��
> Cheers,
On Apr 24, 2011, at 12:28 AM, plander@optusnet.com.au wrote:
> I've just put some LPG in the Doka for the first time. Scary!
>
> It was filling as slow as hell and i thought what a waste of my life. Anyhow it got to $3.25 and an error came up that said "no flow". Do you think that his tank may be empty??????
>
> I then went to a garage up the road to put $10 in for a test. It filled about ten times faster. Then I backed off the handle at about $9.85 and it clunked and stopped. Maybe LPG is either on or off???
>
> It says in the instructions to fill to 80%. How do you know when it is 80%?
>
> I wish that I knew what I was doing with this stuff. (Wife got out of the Doka and waited 100m away)
>
> Cheers,
>
> Phill
>
>
>
>> Michael Roberts <type500@yahoo.com> wrote:
>>
>> Finally got around to doing a bit of a fuel consumption run. Fully
>> loaded
>> cursing down the Hume at about 110 km I got 16.5 km/100. I will give it
>> a go
>> sitting on 100 km and see what effect it has.
>>
>> Cheers,
>
>
> ------------------------------------
>
> Yahoo! Groups Links
>
>
>
> BenT Syncro <syncro@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> Don't you have to open a relief valve before you fill w/ LPG?
>
>
> BenT
>
> sent from my electronic leash
>
> On Apr 24, 2011, at 12:28 AM, plander@optusnet.com.au wrote:
>
> > I've just put some LPG in the Doka for the first time. Scary!
> >
> > It was filling as slow as hell and i thought what a waste of my life.
> Anyhow it got to $3.25 and an error came up that said "no flow". Do you
> think that his tank may be empty??????
> >
> > I then went to a garage up the road to put $10 in for a test. It
> filled about ten times faster. Then I backed off the handle at about
> $9.85 and it clunked and stopped. Maybe LPG is either on or off???
> >
> > It says in the instructions to fill to 80%. How do you know when it is
> 80%?
> >
> > I wish that I knew what I was doing with this stuff. (Wife got out of
> the Doka and waited 100m away)
> >
> > Cheers,
> >
> > Phill
> >
> >
> >
> >> Michael Roberts <type500@yahoo.com> wrote:
> >>
> >> Finally got around to doing a bit of a fuel consumption run. Fully
> >> loaded
> >> cursing down the Hume at about 110 km I got 16.5 km/100. I will give
> it
> >> a go
> >> sitting on 100 km and see what effect it has.
> >>
> >> Cheers,
> >
> >
> > ------------------------------------
> >
> > Yahoo! Groups Links
> >
> >
> >
On 24 April 2011 18:22, <plander@optusnet.com.au> wrote:
What's a relief valve?
If somebody made a loud noise I would have relieved myself!
Phill
> BenT Syncro <syncro@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> Don't you have to open a relief valve before you fill w/ LPG?
>
>
> BenT
>
> sent from my electronic leash
>
> On Apr 24, 2011, at 12:28 AM, plander@optusnet.com.au wrote:
>
> > I've just put some LPG in the Doka for the first time. Scary!
> >
> > It was filling as slow as hell and i thought what a waste of my life.
> Anyhow it got to $3.25 and an error came up that said "no flow". Do you
> think that his tank may be empty??????
> >
> > I then went to a garage up the road to put $10 in for a test. It
> filled about ten times faster. Then I backed off the handle at about
> $9.85 and it clunked and stopped. Maybe LPG is either on or off???
> >
> > It says in the instructions to fill to 80%. How do you know when it is
> 80%?
> >
> > I wish that I knew what I was doing with this stuff. (Wife got out of
> the Doka and waited 100m away)
> >
> > Cheers,
> >
> > Phill
> >
> >
> >
> >> Michael Roberts <type500@yahoo.com> wrote:
> >>
> >> Finally got around to doing a bit of a fuel consumption run. Fully
> >> loaded
> >> cursing down the Hume at about 110 km I got 16.5 km/100. I will give
> it
> >> a go
> >> sitting on 100 km and see what effect it has.
> >>
> >> Cheers,
> >
> >
> > ------------------------------------
> >
> > Yahoo! Groups Links
> >
> >
> >
> Francesca Coles <fcoles6@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> Hi Michael,
>
> Sorry, was that 16.5 litres per 100km at 110km/h? What are you NSW
> people
> paying at the bowser for LPG? Yes, with the rising price of petrol
> installing LPG is looking more attractive by the day.
>
> Regards,
>
> Francesca.
>
> On 24 April 2011 18:22, <plander@optusnet.com.au> wrote:
>
> >
> >
> > What's a relief valve?
> >
> > If somebody made a loud noise I would have relieved myself!
> >
> > Phill
> >
> >
> > > BenT Syncro <syncro@gmail.com> wrote:
> > >
> > > Don't you have to open a relief valve before you fill w/ LPG?
> > >
> > >
> > > BenT
> > >
> > > sent from my electronic leash
> > >
> > > On Apr 24, 2011, at 12:28 AM, plander@optusnet.com.au wrote:
> > >
> > > > I've just put some LPG in the Doka for the first time. Scary!
> > > >
> > > > It was filling as slow as hell and i thought what a waste of my
> life.
> > > Anyhow it got to $3.25 and an error came up that said "no flow". Do
> you
> > > think that his tank may be empty??????
> > > >
> > > > I then went to a garage up the road to put $10 in for a test. It
> > > filled about ten times faster. Then I backed off the handle at about
> > > $9.85 and it clunked and stopped. Maybe LPG is either on or off???
> > > >
> > > > It says in the instructions to fill to 80%. How do you know when
> it is
> > > 80%?
> > > >
> > > > I wish that I knew what I was doing with this stuff. (Wife got out
> of
> > > the Doka and waited 100m away)
> > > >
> > > > Cheers,
> > > >
> > > > Phill
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >> Michael Roberts <type500@yahoo.com> wrote:
> > > >>
> > > >> Finally got around to doing a bit of a fuel consumption run.
> Fully
> > > >> loaded
> > > >> cursing down the Hume at about 110 km I got 16.5 km/100. I will
> give
> > > it
> > > >> a go
> > > >> sitting on 100 km and see what effect it has.
> > > >>
> > > >> Cheers,
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > ------------------------------------
> > > >
> > > > Yahoo! Groups Links
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> >
> >
> >
> Michael Roberts <type500@yahoo.com> wrote:------------------------------------
>
> Finally got around to doing a bit of a fuel consumption run. Fully
> loaded
> cursing down the Hume at about 110 km I got 16.5 km/100. I will give it
> a go
> sitting on 100 km and see what effect it has.
>
> Cheers,
> Michael Roberts <type500@yahoo.com> wrote:
>
> HI Phill,
> If the system was fitted correctly the LPG tank should only ever fill to
> about
> 80%�� there is a shut off built into them to make sure of it.�� All you
> have to do
> is fill the tank untill it stops filling.��
>
>
> Cheers,
>
> Michael Roberts
>
>
>
> ________________________________
> From: "plander@optusnet.com.au" <plander@optusnet.com.au>
> To: Syncro_T3_Australia@yahoogroups.com
> Sent: Sun, April 24, 2011 5:28:12 PM
> Subject: Re: [Syncro_T3_Australia] Fuel consumption on LPG
>
> I've just put some LPG in the Doka for the first time. Scary!
>
> It was filling as slow as hell and i thought what a waste of my life.
> Anyhow it
> got to $3.25 and an error came up that said "no flow".�� Do you think
> that his
> tank may be empty??????
>
> I then went to a garage up the road to put $10 in for a test. It filled
> about
> ten times faster. Then I backed off the handle at about $9.85 and it
> clunked and
> stopped. Maybe LPG is either on or off???
>
> It says in the instructions to fill to 80%. How do you know when it is
> 80%?
>
> I wish that I knew what I was doing with this stuff. (Wife got out of
> the Doka
> and waited 100m away)
>
> Cheers,
>
> Phill
>
>
>
> > Michael Roberts <type500@yahoo.com> wrote:
> >
> > Finally got around to doing a bit of a fuel consumption run.�� Fully
> > loaded
> > cursing down the Hume at about 110 km I got 16.5 km/100.�� I will give
> it
> > a go
> > sitting on 100 km and see what effect it has.
> > ��
> > Cheers,
>
>
> ------------------------------------
>
> Yahoo! Groups Links
>
>
>
> �� �� http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
> Theo Weiss <teows@melbpc.org.au> wrote:
>
> Hi Michael R.
>
> You are doing well on your LPG mileage .How accurate is you speedometer?
> When mine shows 100 km the actual speed is only 92/93 km.
>
> In regards to the filling up the LPG tank, unfortunately it is a slow
> process with anything up to 10 minutes in my case
> and you have to hold the trigger nozzle tight but hey, at 54 cents a
> lit -. a small price to pay.
>
> Cheers, Theo
Speedos normally read +5 to +10% of speed. The odometer is usually accurate.
I think that I may have released the trigger early.
It's there so I will use it but I don't think that it is worth fitting though.
Still learning.
Phill
> Theo Weiss <teows@melbpc.org.au> wrote:
>
> Hi Michael R.
>
> You are doing well on your LPG mileage .How accurate is you speedometer?
> When mine shows 100 km the actual speed is only 92/93 km.
>
> In regards to the filling up the LPG tank, unfortunately it is a slow
> process with anything up to 10 minutes in my case
> and you have to hold the trigger nozzle tight but hey, at 54 cents a
> lit -. a small price to pay.
>
> Cheers, Theo
On 25 April 2011 12:28, Michael Roberts <type500@yahoo.com> wrote:
Hi Theo,I running slightly larger wheels than normal 215 R15 80 and this seems to put my speedo about 1 to 2 km under at 100km/hr. I checked it against the mile markers south of Tarcata and by the 5 km marker I could hardly see any differance.Cheers,michael Roberts
Sent: Mon, April 25, 2011 12:12:42 PM
Subject: Re: [Syncro_T3_Australia] Re: Fuel consumption on LPG
Speedos normally read +5 to +10% of speed. The odometer is usually accurate.
I think that I may have released the trigger early.
It's there so I will use it but I don't think that it is worth fitting though.
Still learning.
Phill
> Theo Weiss <teows@melbpc.org.au> wrote:
>
> Hi Michael R.
>
> You are doing well on your LPG mileage .How accurate is you speedometer?
> When mine shows 100 km the actual speed is only 92/93 km.
>
> In regards to the filling up the LPG tank, unfortunately it is a slow
> process with anything up to 10 minutes in my case
> and you have to hold the trigger nozzle tight but hey, at 54 cents a
> lit -. a small price to pay.
>
> Cheers, Theo
On 25 April 2011 12:28, Michael Roberts <type500@yahoo.com> wrote:
Hi Theo,I running slightly larger wheels than normal 215 R15 80 and this seems to put my speedo about 1 to 2 km under at 100km/hr. I checked it against the mile markers south of Tarcata and by the 5 km marker I could hardly see any differance.Cheers,michael Roberts
Sent: Mon, April 25, 2011 12:12:42 PM
Subject: Re: [Syncro_T3_Australia] Re: Fuel consumption on LPG
Speedos normally read +5 to +10% of speed. The odometer is usually accurate.
I think that I may have released the trigger early.
It's there so I will use it but I don't think that it is worth fitting though.
Still learning.
Phill
> Theo Weiss <teows@melbpc.org.au> wrote:
>
> Hi Michael R.
>
> You are doing well on your LPG mileage .How accurate is you speedometer?
> When mine shows 100 km the actual speed is only 92/93 km.
>
> In regards to the filling up the LPG tank, unfortunately it is a slow
> process with anything up to 10 minutes in my case
> and you have to hold the trigger nozzle tight but hey, at 54 cents a
> lit -. a small price to pay.
>
> Cheers, Theo
--- In Syncro_T3_Australia@yahoogroups.com, Francesca Coles <fcoles6@...> wrote:
>
> Hi Theo and Michael (Roberts),
>
> Just wondering if you could give us a brief description of the specs for
> conversion of the Waterboxer 2.1 to a dual fuel system. I think I will look
> at shopping around for quotes, but need to give an indication of the type of
> conversion, I guess (i.e. I want to sound a bit less clueless than I
> actually am!). The electronic component of the LPG system has to 'talk'
> correctly to the digifant, is that right? We're thinking about a short
> mid-year trip north (perhaps including Fraser Island), so would be good to
> make a decision re LPG before then. Would be fantastic to have a greater
> range than 400km with dual fuel too. Your thoughts appreciated, Theo, you
> did say you'd had problems with your conversion initially, but I've
> forgotten the gist of what you said.
>
> Regards,
>
> Francesca.
>
> On 25 April 2011 12:28, Michael Roberts <type500@...> wrote:
>
> >
> >
> > Hi Theo,
> > I running slightly larger wheels than normal 215 R15 80 and this seems to
> > put my speedo about 1 to 2 km under at 100km/hr. I checked it against the
> > mile markers south of Tarcata and by the 5 km marker I could hardly see any
> > differance.
> >
> > Cheers,
> >
> > michael Roberts
> >
> > ------------------------------
> > *From:* "plander@..." <plander@...>
> > *To:* Syncro_T3_Australia@yahoogroups.com
> > *Sent:* Mon, April 25, 2011 12:12:42 PM
> > *Subject:* Re: [Syncro_T3_Australia] Re: Fuel consumption on LPG
> >
> >
> >
> > Speedos normally read +5 to +10% of speed. The odometer is usually
> > accurate.
> >
> > I think that I may have released the trigger early.
> >
> > It's there so I will use it but I don't think that it is worth fitting
> > though.
> >
> > Still learning.
> >
> > Phill
> >
> > > Theo Weiss <teows@...> wrote:
> > >
> > > Hi Michael R.
> > >
> > > You are doing well on your LPG mileage .How accurate is you speedometer?
> > > When mine shows 100 km the actual speed is only 92/93 km.
> > >
> > > In regards to the filling up the LPG tank, unfortunately it is a slow
> > > process with anything up to 10 minutes in my case
> > > and you have to hold the trigger nozzle tight but hey, at 54 cents a
> > > lit -. a small price to pay.
> > >
> > > Cheers, Theo
> >
> >
> >
>
Eddie,
It would be useful to know what happened to the Air Flow Meters and the detail of what you did to get around it.
Les
From:
Syncro_T3_Australia@yahoogroups.com [mailto:
Syncro_T3_Australia@yahoogroups.com ] On Behalf Of bergodaz
Sent: 25 April 2011 16:54
To: Syncro_T3_Australia@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [Syncro_T3_Australia] Re:
Fuel consumption on LPG
Francesca, the LPG system fitted to mine is the most
reliable system in the whole van! Running costs equate to approx half of
running on petrol. Filling is easier than petrol as most of the gas fillers
have triggers you can lock in place until the tank is full(80% full).The only problems I had were
with blown air flow meters, but have learned the hard way how to overcome
this(good engine tune).One other item that I feel is
essential with a gas conversion is an oil cooler (which I have recntly
installed) as gas creates higher combustion temps & as a result breaks down
oils more than when running on petrol.
Mine was done about 15 years ago by Campbellfield Gas Conversions and have only
had it serviced twice since then.The company is still operating but don't know
if they still do conversions on T3's.I guess the biggest problem on a camper,
is tank placement .There are a few different tank styles and capacities ,so it
all comes down to personal preference.Hope this helps, cheers Eddie.
On 25 April 2011 17:04, Les Harris <leslieharris@optusnet.com.au> wrote:
Eddie,
It would be useful to know what happened to the Air Flow Meters and the detail of what you did to get around it.
Les
From: Syncro_T3_Australia@yahoogroups.com [mailto:Syncro_T3_Australia@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of bergodaz
Subject: [Syncro_T3_Australia] Re: Fuel consumption on LPG
Sent: 25 April 2011 16:54Francesca, the LPG system fitted to mine is the most reliable system in the whole van! Running costs equate to approx half of running on petrol. Filling is easier than petrol as most of the gas fillers have triggers you can lock in place until the tank is full(80% full).The only problems I had were with blown air flow meters, but have learned the hard way how to overcome this(good engine tune).One other item that I feel is essential with a gas conversion is an oil cooler (which I have recntly installed) as gas creates higher combustion temps & as a result breaks down oils more than when running on petrol.
Mine was done about 15 years ago by Campbellfield Gas Conversions and have only had it serviced twice since then.The company is still operating but don't know if they still do conversions on T3's.I guess the biggest problem on a camper, is tank placement .There are a few different tank styles and capacities ,so it all comes down to personal preference.Hope this helps, cheers Eddie.
On 25 April 2011 17:04, Les Harris <leslieharris@optusnet.com.au> wrote:
Eddie,
It would be useful to know what happened to the Air Flow Meters and the detail of what you did to get around it.
Les
From: Syncro_T3_Australia@yahoogroups.com [mailto:Syncro_T3_Australia@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of bergodaz
Subject: [Syncro_T3_Australia] Re: Fuel consumption on LPG
Sent: 25 April 2011 16:54Francesca, the LPG system fitted to mine is the most reliable system in the whole van! Running costs equate to approx half of running on petrol. Filling is easier than petrol as most of the gas fillers have triggers you can lock in place until the tank is full(80% full).The only problems I had were with blown air flow meters, but have learned the hard way how to overcome this(good engine tune).One other item that I feel is essential with a gas conversion is an oil cooler (which I have recntly installed) as gas creates higher combustion temps & as a result breaks down oils more than when running on petrol.
Mine was done about 15 years ago by Campbellfield Gas Conversions and have only had it serviced twice since then.The company is still operating but don't know if they still do conversions on T3's.I guess the biggest problem on a camper, is tank placement .There are a few different tank styles and capacities ,so it all comes down to personal preference.Hope this helps, cheers Eddie.
> Theo Weiss <teows@melbpc.org.au> wrote:
>
> Hi Francesca,
>
> My LPG system is a Electronic Direct Injection with it own ECU.The
> initial problem was they would not talk to each other.
> After much stuffing around they installed a different brand which
> runs fine now.
> If I have my time again I probably would go for a simpler system like
> IMPCO. No LPG ECU to worry about and less cables all over the place.
> With our Syncro's we have to be more hands on, so keep it simple.
> It certainly pays to shop around a bit to get a feeling of what's
> available.A good installer should also offer a Valve Saver Lubrication
> Unit.
> Eddie is right about LPG running hotter and an oil cooler certainly
> would help to keep the oil cooler as I found out on a recent trip to QLD
> If you push it too hard. The LPG cost will eventually go up with
> every thing else as they need to recoup the LPG grant.
> By the way, you are more then welcome to have a look at my installation.
>
> Cheers, Theo
>