Instrument Cluster

1
Happy New Year to All Fellow Syncro Fanatics.

Just wondering if anyone has an instruent cluster lying around as
surplus?

I have just installed a new stereo and soldered many wires without
removing the earth lead. Now my temperature gauge suddenly reads very
hot. As mine is an '88 model it only ha a 5 digit odemeter with no
trip meter - very anoying.

Let me know if anyone is interested in selling a cluster with a six
digit speedo and trip meter.

Thanks in advance.

Cheers,

Scott
Terrigal NSW
2

This is probably covered somewhere but can anyone tell me if the speedo is driven at wheel speed?  And has anyone replaced the clock instrument cluster with a tacho cluster?

Thanks

Les   

3
Les,

The speedo is driven at at the front diff. IIRC, it's have wheel speed. 

Yes, I have replaced clocks with tachs several times. It's always simpler to replace the whole cluster when possible. It's obviously more economical to install your speedo in a tach equipped cluster instead. What do you need to know?


BenT

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On Dec 13, 2010, at 11:55 PM, "syncroaustralia" <leslieharris@optusnet.com.au> wrote:

This is probably covered somewhere but can anyone tell me if the speedo is driven at wheel speed?  And has anyone replaced the clock instrument cluster with a tacho cluster?

Thanks

Les   

4
Syncro speedo is from the front diff
2WD is from the front wheel.
They are different (number is on the face)

Yes.



> syncroaustralia <leslieharris@optusnet.com.au> wrote:
>
>
> This is probably covered somewhere but can anyone tell me if the speedo
> is driven at wheel speed? And has anyone replaced the clock instrument
> cluster with a tacho cluster?
>
> Thanks
>
> Les
5

Ben,

My odometer has stopped.  It might be fixable but I am looking at the possibility of replacing the instrument cluster with a tacho panel.   What I don’t know at the moment is whether it is dependent on the diff ratio or if it just drives at wheel speed (or half wheel speed).

Les

 

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Les,

 

The speedo is driven at at the front diff. IIRC, it's have wheel speed. 

 

Yes, I have replaced clocks with tachs several times. It's always simpler to replace the whole cluster when possible. It's obviously more economical to install your speedo in a tach equipped cluster instead. What do you need to know?

 

 

BenT

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On Dec 13, 2010, at 11:55 PM, "syncroaustralia" <leslieharris@optusnet.com.au> wrote:

This is probably covered somewhere but can anyone tell me if the speedo is driven at wheel speed?  And has anyone replaced the clock instrument cluster with a tacho cluster?

Thanks

Les   

6
On Dec 14, 2010, at 12:38 AM, "Les Harris" <leslieharris@optusnet.com.au> wrote:

Ben,

My odometer has stopped.  It might be fixable but I am looking at the possibility of replacing the instrument cluster with a tacho panel.   What I don’t know at the moment is whether it is dependent on the diff ratio or if it just drives at wheel speed (or half wheel speed).

Les



Les,

The odometer can be easily repaired. You will need to remove the speedo from the cluster. Once done it's relatively easy to see which of small plastic gears have slipped off. You can simply push it back on. A dab of glue can help keep it from slipping out as easily.

KPH speedos are still available new and they will plug right in to the more available (used) 2wd clusters with tachometer, if you prefer not to repair your speedo. 

Let me know if you need assistance getting a tach cluster from a 2wd. They are still plentiful here. It's only the MPH speedos that have become rare as hen's teeth. I even contacted Lars in Germany (Tristar Connection) as he always seem to have a stash of NOS parts. He said some Canadian bought every single MPH speedo he had. The following month, they became available on the secondary market at substantial mark-up. 

IIRC we had a discussion about using Mk2 Golf speedos as substitute of sorts.


BenT



7
I used to replace clock with tachometer on my T3 diesel.

You need to have the right foil (the back of the cluster) for tachometer.

I was lucky I found the foil with centre dash clock with tachometer ;-)

What do you want to know?

Pat

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Subject: [Syncro_T3_Australia] Instrument Cluster

 

This is probably covered somewhere but can anyone tell me if the speedo is driven at wheel speed?  And has anyone replaced the clock instrument cluster with a tacho cluster?

Thanks

Les   

8
Hey I'm looking at doing the same as I have a cluster from a Caravelle with the tacho.....are the wires already there for the Tach or do you have to hack the loom somewhere??? I was going to replace the Caravelle speedo and keep the Syncro one but am unsure about the Tach...The cluster just looks better IMHO..
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9
Does anyone know of a fix for a clock not working in the instrument cluster?

From: BenT Syncro <syncro@gmail.com>
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On Dec 14, 2010, at 12:38 AM, "Les Harris" <leslieharris@optusnet.com.au> wrote:

Ben,

My odometer has stopped.  It might be fixable but I am looking at the possibility of replacing the instrument cluster with a tacho panel.   What I don’t know at the moment is whether it is dependent on the diff ratio or if it just drives at wheel speed (or half wheel speed).

Les



Les,

The odometer can be easily repaired. You will need to remove the speedo from the cluster. Once done it's relatively easy to see which of small plastic gears have slipped off. You can simply push it back on. A dab of glue can help keep it from slipping out as easily.

KPH speedos are still available new and they will plug right in to the more available (used) 2wd clusters with tachometer, if you prefer not to repair your speedo. 

Let me know if you need assistance getting a tach cluster from a 2wd. They are still plentiful here. It's only the MPH speedos that have become rare as hen's teeth. I even contacted Lars in Germany (Tristar Connection) as he always seem to have a stash of NOS parts. He said some Canadian bought every single MPH speedo he had. The following month, they became available on the secondary market at substantial mark-up. 

IIRC we had a discussion about using Mk2 Golf speedos as substitute of sorts.


BenT




10
I might strip the loom from the Caravelle and have a looksie then....

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Subject: Re: [Syncro_T3_Australia] Instrument Cluster

 

I used to replace clock with tachometer on my T3 diesel.

You need to have the right foil (the back of the cluster) for tachometer.

I was lucky I found the foil with centre dash clock with tachometer ;-)

What do you want to know?

Pat

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Subject: [Syncro_T3_Australia] Instrument Cluster

 

This is probably covered somewhere but can anyone tell me if the speedo is driven at wheel speed?  And has anyone replaced the clock instrument cluster with a tacho cluster?

Thanks

Les   

11
Les,
 
Phill probably knows the answer to the first question.
 
I installed the digital clock & tacho model cluster some time ago, bought on US eBay.
 
Cheers.
 
Ken 
 
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From: subimanx@dodo.com.au
Date: Tue, 14 Dec 2010 09:35:33 +0000
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I might strip the loom from the Caravelle and have a looksie then....

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Subject: Re: [Syncro_T3_Australia] Instrument Cluster

 
I used to replace clock with tachometer on my T3 diesel.

You need to have the right foil (the back of the cluster) for tachometer.

I was lucky I found the foil with centre dash clock with tachometer ;-)

What do you want to know?

Pat

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From: "syncroaustralia" <leslieharris@optusnet.com.au>
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Date: Tue, 14 Dec 2010 07:55:49 -0000
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ReplyTo: Syncro_T3_Australia@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [Syncro_T3_Australia] Instrument Cluster

 

This is probably covered somewhere but can anyone tell me if the speedo is driven at wheel speed?  And has anyone replaced the clock instrument cluster with a tacho cluster?
Thanks
Les   



12

Les there are a fair few advertised Syncro Connection.de  they are running an eBay shop.   Hartmut

 

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Subject: RE: [Syncro_T3_Australia] Instrument Cluster

 

 

Les,
 
Phill probably knows the answer to the first question.
 
I installed the digital clock & tacho model cluster some time ago, bought on US eBay.
 
Cheers.
 
Ken 
 

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From: subimanx@dodo.com.au
Date: Tue, 14 Dec 2010 09:35:33 +0000
Subject: Re: [Syncro_T3_Australia] Instrument Cluster

 

I might strip the loom from the Caravelle and have a looksie then....

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Subject: Re: [Syncro_T3_Australia] Instrument Cluster

 

 

I used to replace clock with tachometer on my T3 diesel.

You need to have the right foil (the back of the cluster) for tachometer.

I was lucky I found the foil with centre dash clock with tachometer ;-)

What do you want to know?

Pat

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From: "syncroaustralia" <leslieharris@optusnet.com.au>

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Subject: [Syncro_T3_Australia] Instrument Cluster

 

 

This is probably covered somewhere but can anyone tell me if the speedo is driven at wheel speed?  And has anyone replaced the clock instrument cluster with a tacho cluster?
Thanks
Les   

 

 

13
There is one speedo for syncro (251 957 055 BL) and one for 2WD (251 957 055 BH)
That is metric speedo with tripmeter.

I have had speedos repaired before by instrument repairers.



> Les Harris <leslieharris@optusnet.com.au> wrote:
>
> Ben,
>
> My odometer has stopped. It might be fixable but I am looking at the
> possibility of replacing the instrument cluster with a tacho panel.
> What I
> don't know at the moment is whether it is dependent on the diff ratio or
> if
> it just drives at wheel speed (or half wheel speed).
>
> Les
>
>
>
> _____
>
> From: Syncro_T3_Australia@yahoogroups.com
> [mailto:Syncro_T3_Australia@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of BenT Syncro
> Sent: 14 December 2010 19:31
> To: Syncro_T3_Australia@yahoogroups.com
> Cc: leslieharris@optusnet.com.au
> Subject: Re: [Syncro_T3_Australia] Instrument Cluster
>
>
>
>
>
> Les,
>
>
>
> The speedo is driven at at the front diff. IIRC, it's have wheel speed.
>
>
>
> Yes, I have replaced clocks with tachs several times. It's always
> simpler to
> replace the whole cluster when possible. It's obviously more economical
> to
> install your speedo in a tach equipped cluster instead. What do you need
> to
> know?
>
>
>
>
>
> BenT
>
> Sent from my taco bell
>
>
> On Dec 13, 2010, at 11:55 PM, "syncroaustralia"
> <leslieharris@optusnet.com.au> wrote:
>
> This is probably covered somewhere but can anyone tell me if the speedo
> is
> driven at wheel speed? And has anyone replaced the clock instrument
> cluster
> with a tacho cluster?
>
> Thanks
>
> Les
14
> subimanx@dodo.com.au wrote:
> ....are the wires already there for the Tach or do you
> have to hack the loom somewhere???

The wires are there.
15
> Ben Croft <bencroft96@yahoo.com> wrote:
>
> Does anyone know of a fix for a clock not working in the instrument
> cluster?
>
>

Digital or analogue???
16

Analogue for Hart.

 

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Subject: Re: Re: [Syncro_T3_Australia] Instrument Cluster

 

 



> Ben Croft <bencroft96@yahoo.com> wrote:
>
> Does anyone know of a fix for a clock not working in the instrument
> cluster?
>
>

Digital or analogue???

17

Ken,

I was unsure about where the drive comes from but if you fitted a US cluster and as far as I know the US delivered Syncros were all 4.86 final drive ratio, that probably answers the question – it must be wheel related, not ratio related. 

It is now a matter of determining if the wiring in mine will take the tacho cluster.

 

Phill,

Did your cryptic “yes” mean that you have fitted a tacho cluster?  If so, where did you source it and did it adapt directly or were mods needed?

Les

 

 

 

 

From: Syncro_T3_Australia@yahoogroups.com [mailto: Syncro_T3_Australia@yahoogroups.com ] On Behalf Of Ken Garratt
Sent: 14 December 2010 20:47
To: Syncro _T3_Australia forum
Subject: RE: [Syncro_T3_Australia] Instrument Cluster

 

 

Les,
 
Phill probably knows the answer to the first question.
 
I installed the digital clock & tacho model cluster some time ago, bought on US eBay.
 
Cheers.
 
Ken 
 

To: Syncro_T3_Australia@yahoogroups.com
From: subimanx@dodo.com.au
Date: Tue, 14 Dec 2010 09:35:33 +0000
Subject: Re: [Syncro_T3_Australia] Instrument Cluster

 

I might strip the loom from the Caravelle and have a looksie then....

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Subject: Re: [Syncro_T3_Australia] Instrument Cluster

 

 

I used to replace clock with tachometer on my T3 diesel.

You need to have the right foil (the back of the cluster) for tachometer.

I was lucky I found the foil with centre dash clock with tachometer ;-)

What do you want to know?

Pat

Sent from my BlackBerry® by dtac.

From: "syncroaustralia" <leslieharris@optusnet.com.au>

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Subject: [Syncro_T3_Australia] Instrument Cluster

 

 

This is probably covered somewhere but can anyone tell me if the speedo is driven at wheel speed?  And has anyone replaced the clock instrument cluster with a tacho cluster?
Thanks
Les   

 

 

18
yeah, get rid of it ........
 
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From: hartis@live.com.au
Date: Tue, 14 Dec 2010 21:34:47 +1100
Subject: RE: Re: [Syncro_T3_Australia] Instrument Cluster

 

Analogue for Hart.

 

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Subject: Re: Re: [Syncro_T3_Australia] Instrument Cluster

 

 



> Ben Croft <bencroft96@yahoo.com> wrote:
>
> Does anyone know of a fix for a clock not working in the instrument
> cluster?
>
>

Digital or analogue???


19
US will be in MPH

> I was unsure about where the drive comes from but if you fitted a US
> cluster
> and as far as I know the US delivered Syncros were all 4.86 final drive
> ratio, that probably answers the question - it must be wheel related,
> not
> ratio related.
>
> It is now a matter of determining if the wiring in mine will take the
> tacho
> cluster.
>

Wiring is the same.
Just change the foil / printed circuit for the tacho. You may have to trim the guages from the analogue clock to fit in the tacho.

The best would be to buy the whole thing from the US. Throw away the MPH speedo and have yours repaired.
20
Les, The speedo is definitely syncro specific. From memory they say 1000 on the face and are driven by the front pinion shaft so final drive does not effect it. I think if you are looking for the quickest, cheapest fix repairing it your self or having say ringwood speedos look at it would be the go. If you are looking for an excuse to upgrade to tacho I would try to get a cluster out of Germany, their clusters are the same as ours, so you get a good speedo and tacho (bolt in).I got a 2wd one out of the US and used my (working) speedo. Also removed the o2 sensor light. The tacho wiring is already at the plug for the dynamic oil crazy bell. Which brings up another issue you will need one with dynamic. I still have the 2wd speedo and my old cluster if you need any spares. Greg E

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From: syncroaustralia <leslieharris@optusnet.com.au>
Subject: [Syncro_T3_Australia] Instrument Cluster
To: Syncro_T3_Australia@yahoogroups.com
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This is probably covered somewhere but can anyone tell me if the speedo is driven at wheel speed?  And has anyone replaced the clock instrument cluster with a tacho cluster?
Thanks
Les