Instrument Cluster

Bent;
Isn't that the same as warped or twisted?




> BenT Syncro <syncro@gmail.com> wrote:
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> Gliders, feathers, Les in OZ, Les my ex-wife...
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> It's all losT in TranslaTion to me, LesT you explain it in
> Volkswagenspeak. NoTice that there is no T in Volkswagen.
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> Here I was Thinking feathers meant springs per Phill's sTaTemenT. See
> there's no T in Phill.
>
Warped must be Australian for Twisted and BenT because it doesn'T have a T.

I noTiced there's no T in Phill eiTher.


BenT


On Dec 30, 2010, at 4:29 PM, plander@optusnet.com.au wrote:

> Bent;
> Isn't that the same as warped or twisted?
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>> BenT Syncro <syncro@gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>> Gliders, feathers, Les in OZ, Les my ex-wife...
>>
>> It's all losT in TranslaTion to me, LesT you explain it in
>> Volkswagenspeak. NoTice that there is no T in Volkswagen.
>>
>> Here I was Thinking feathers meant springs per Phill's sTaTemenT. See
>> there's no T in Phill.
>>
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No wonder this is called the Silly Season!!

 


From: Syncro_T3_Australia@yahoogroups.com [mailto: Syncro_T3_Australia@yahoogroups.com ] On Behalf Of BenT Syncro
Sent: 31 December 2010 12:11
To: Syncro_T3_Australia@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [Syncro_T3_Australia] Instrument Cluster

 

 

Warped must be Australian for Twisted and BenT because it doesn'T have a T.

I noTiced there's no T in Phill eiTher.

BenT

On Dec 30, 2010, at 4:29 PM, plander@optusnet.com.au wrote:

> Bent;
> Isn't that the same as warped or twisted?
>
>
>
>
>> BenT Syncro <syncro@gmail.com>
wrote:
>>
>> Gliders, feathers, Les in OZ, Les my ex-wife...
>>
>> It's all losT in TranslaTion to me, LesT you explain it in
>> Volkswagenspeak. NoTice that there is no T in Volkswagen.
>>
>> Here I was Thinking feathers meant springs per Phill's sTaTemenT. See
>> there's no T in Phill.
>>
>
>
> ------------------------------------
>
> Yahoo! Groups Links
>
>
>

Greg,
 
Well if you feel even with 16" wheels you won't achieve an accurate speedo, then for arguments sake, that may bring into question the accuracy of GPS technology, given my speedo reads the same speed as the GPS digital readout running 15" wheels with a worn diameter of 706mm.
 
My original 14" Michelin X tyres are 676mm worn, an exact diameter difference of 30mm from the above 15" wheels. I accept the speedo would read fast with the 14" wheels and my 15" wheels appear to attain a correct speedo reading ... or else the speedo is still wrong if one can't believe the GPS readout.
 
Begs the question ... if one accepts that GPS readout is accurate, how come you are having difficulty getting accuracy even with 16" wheels (assuming the O/A diameter is larger)? What's so different about your syncro setup to cause this dilemma?
 
Cheers.
 
Ken 
 

To: Syncro_T3_Australia@yahoogroups.com
From: gregespo73@yahoo.com
Date: Thu, 30 Dec 2010 14:10:13 -0800
Subject: RE: [Syncro_T3_Australia] Instrument Cluster

 
Ken as has already been pointed out a manufacturer will always make there speedos read high to avoid litigation. I do not know the VW equation of the top of my head but the BMW one is @ 100kmh minus 7kmh then plus or minus 4kmh. So your speedo is good if at 100kmh true your speedo reads 89kmh to 97kmh. Japanese cars tend to be more accurate at around 3 to 4kmh low. My bus reads a whole 10kmh fast with tyres slightly larger than stock. Even when I fit 16"s I wont bridge this gap, unless of course I cut out the guards, fit BIG tyres and a 3.0L tdi!!! Greg E 

--- On Thu, 30/12/10, Ken Garratt <unclekenz@hotmail.com> wrote:

From: Ken Garratt <unclekenz@hotmail.com>
Subject: RE: [Syncro_T3_Australia] Instrument Cluster
To: "Syncro _T3_Australia forum" <syncro_t3_australia@yahoogroups.com>
Received: Thursday, 30 December, 2010, 10:43 PM

 
Les,
Just love opening cans of worms  .....

re: "This further means that anyone who has fitted a larger wheel/tyre size can get a correct speedo reading by fitting the gear appropriate to the wheel/tyre size."
 
Case in point, my present tyres are a slightly larger diameter than the BFG T/A 215 75 R15s.
 
So from what you say above I can only assume but find it very hard to believe, that a previous owner of my syncro had the speedo drive gearing changed to suit 15" wheels and tyres, given it is my experience that my GPS readout and the speedo read exactly the same whilst travelling.
 
So given I find it hard to believe the gearing was changed and knowing the syncro originally had 14" wheels and michelin tyres, why is my speedo reading correctly?
 
A happy new year conundrum.
 
Cheers.
Ken

 
Ken, All of your hypothesis rely on one assumption, that our speedometers read the same at a given speed. Mine is way out and needs calibrating. With the tyres it would have been delivered with the cluster would have shown about 88kmh at 100kmh. No new car buyer would have accepted this. In reference to GPS, trust it they are very accurate. I have had customers with $350,000 cars complain about speedo inaccuracy and driven the car with no less than three GPS units, they all read the same. Greg E

--- On Fri, 31/12/10, Ken Garratt <unclekenz@hotmail.com> wrote:

From: Ken Garratt <unclekenz@hotmail.com>
Subject: RE: [Syncro_T3_Australia] Instrument Cluster
To: "Syncro _T3_Australia forum" <syncro_t3_australia@yahoogroups.com>
Received: Friday, 31 December, 2010, 3:11 PM

 
Greg,
 
Well if you feel even with 16" wheels you won't achieve an accurate speedo, then for arguments sake, that may bring into question the accuracy of GPS technology, given my speedo reads the same speed as the GPS digital readout running 15" wheels with a worn diameter of 706mm.
 
My original 14" Michelin X tyres are 676mm worn, an exact diameter difference of 30mm from the above 15" wheels. I accept the speedo would read fast with the 14" wheels and my 15" wheels appear to attain a correct speedo reading ... or else the speedo is still wrong if one can't believe the GPS readout.
 
Begs the question ... if one accepts that GPS readout is accurate, how come you are having difficulty getting accuracy even with 16" wheels (assuming the O/A diameter is larger)? What's so different about your syncro setup to cause this dilemma?
 
Cheers.
 
Ken 
 

To: Syncro_T3_Australia@yahoogroups.com
From: gregespo73@yahoo.com
Date: Thu, 30 Dec 2010 14:10:13 -0800
Subject: RE: [Syncro_T3_Australia] Instrument Cluster

 
Ken as has already been pointed out a manufacturer will always make there speedos read high to avoid litigation. I do not know the VW equation of the top of my head but the BMW one is @ 100kmh minus 7kmh then plus or minus 4kmh. So your speedo is good if at 100kmh true your speedo reads 89kmh to 97kmh. Japanese cars tend to be more accurate at around 3 to 4kmh low. My bus reads a whole 10kmh fast with tyres slightly larger than stock. Even when I fit 16"s I wont bridge this gap, unless of course I cut out the guards, fit BIG tyres and a 3.0L tdi!!! Greg E 

--- On Thu, 30/12/10, Ken Garratt <unclekenz@hotmail.com> wrote:

From: Ken Garratt <unclekenz@hotmail.com>
Subject: RE: [Syncro_T3_Australia] Instrument Cluster
To: "Syncro _T3_Australia forum" <syncro_t3_australia@yahoogroups.com>
Received: Thursday, 30 December, 2010, 10:43 PM

 
Les,
Just love opening cans of worms  .....

re: "This further means that anyone who has fitted a larger wheel/tyre size can get a correct speedo reading by fitting the gear appropriate to the wheel/tyre size."
 
Case in point, my present tyres are a slightly larger diameter than the BFG T/A 215 75 R15s.
 
So from what you say above I can only assume but find it very hard to believe, that a previous owner of my syncro had the speedo drive gearing changed to suit 15" wheels and tyres, given it is my experience that my GPS readout and the speedo read exactly the same whilst travelling.
 
So given I find it hard to believe the gearing was changed and knowing the syncro originally had 14" wheels and michelin tyres, why is my speedo reading correctly?
 
A happy new year conundrum.
 
Cheers.
Ken

 

 

Les

As well as there being 8 different drive ratios there are also 3 different drive gears on the pinion shaft that need to be matched up for a specific crown wheel and pinion ratio and tyre size.

I think it would be much easier if all the mechanical gears were one standard size and the different configurations could be selected by a system of replaceable plastic gears in the speedo – perhaps this is too simple for VW!

Yurik

 

From: Syncro_T3_Australia@yahoogroups.com [mailto:Syncro_T3_Australia@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Les Harris
Sent: Thursday, 30 December 2010 4:57 PM
To: Syncro_T3_Australia@yahoogroups.com
Subject: RE: [Syncro_T3_Australia] Instrument Cluster

 

 

Ben, Greg,

It has all come together with these replies.

The drive gear (Ben’s picture) fitted to the front diff comes in eight different ratios and each ratio is matched to tyre sizes.   This answers the original question.  The Syncro speedo is the same as for all T3’s and the correct reading is achieved via the drive gear in the front diff being matched to the tyre size.

This further means that anyone who has fitted a larger wheel/tyre size can get a correct speedo reading by fitting the gear appropriate to the wheel/tyre size.

Les


From: Syncro_T3_Australia@yahoogroups.com [mailto:Syncro_T3_Australia@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of BenT Syncro
Sent: 30 December 2010 19:13
To: Syncro_T3_Australia@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [Syncro_T3_Australia] Instrument Cluster

 

 

Les,

 

No need to dismantle your instrument cluster. This drive gear is attached to front differential. I am quite quite familiar with the NoOxBoxForOZ fact.


BenT




Greg,
Ok thanks for that, you've answered my query. Happy recalibrating and Happy New Year!
 
Cheers.
Ken
 

To: Syncro_T3_Australia@yahoogroups.com
From: gregespo73@yahoo.com
Date: Thu, 30 Dec 2010 21:05:02 -0800
Subject: RE: [Syncro_T3_Australia] Instrument Cluster

 
Ken, All of your hypothesis rely on one assumption, that our speedometers read the same at a given speed. Mine is way out and needs calibrating. With the tyres it would have been delivered with the cluster would have shown about 88kmh at 100kmh. No new car buyer would have accepted this. In reference to GPS, trust it they are very accurate. I have had customers with $350,000 cars complain about speedo inaccuracy and driven the car with no less than three GPS units, they all read the same. Greg E

--- On Fri, 31/12/10, Ken Garratt <unclekenz@hotmail.com> wrote:

From: Ken Garratt <unclekenz@hotmail.com>
Subject: RE: [Syncro_T3_Australia] Instrument Cluster
To: "Syncro _T3_Australia forum" <syncro_t3_australia@yahoogroups.com>
Received: Friday, 31 December, 2010, 3:11 PM

 
Greg,
 
Well if you feel even with 16" wheels you won't achieve an accurate speedo, then for arguments sake, that may bring into question the accuracy of GPS technology, given my speedo reads the same speed as the GPS digital readout running 15" wheels with a worn diameter of 706mm.
 
My original 14" Michelin X tyres are 676mm worn, an exact diameter difference of 30mm from the above 15" wheels. I accept the speedo would read fast with the 14" wheels and my 15" wheels appear to attain a correct speedo reading ... or else the speedo is still wrong if one can't believe the GPS readout.
 
Begs the question ... if one accepts that GPS readout is accurate, how come you are having difficulty getting accuracy even with 16" wheels (assuming the O/A diameter is larger)? What's so different about your syncro setup to cause this dilemma?
 
Cheers.
 
Ken 
 

To: Syncro_T3_Australia@yahoogroups.com
From: gregespo73@yahoo.com
Date: Thu, 30 Dec 2010 14:10:13 -0800
Subject: RE: [Syncro_T3_Australia] Instrument Cluster

 
Ken as has already been pointed out a manufacturer will always make there speedos read high to avoid litigation. I do not know the VW equation of the top of my head but the BMW one is @ 100kmh minus 7kmh then plus or minus 4kmh. So your speedo is good if at 100kmh true your speedo reads 89kmh to 97kmh. Japanese cars tend to be more accurate at around 3 to 4kmh low. My bus reads a whole 10kmh fast with tyres slightly larger than stock. Even when I fit 16"s I wont bridge this gap, unless of course I cut out the guards, fit BIG tyres and a 3.0L tdi!!! Greg E 

--- On Thu, 30/12/10, Ken Garratt <unclekenz@hotmail.com> wrote:

From: Ken Garratt <unclekenz@hotmail.com>
Subject: RE: [Syncro_T3_Australia] Instrument Cluster
To: "Syncro _T3_Australia forum" <syncro_t3_australia@yahoogroups.com>
Received: Thursday, 30 December, 2010, 10:43 PM

 
Les,
Just love opening cans of worms  .....

re: "This further means that anyone who has fitted a larger wheel/tyre size can get a correct speedo reading by fitting the gear appropriate to the wheel/tyre size."
 
Case in point, my present tyres are a slightly larger diameter than the BFG T/A 215 75 R15s.
 
So from what you say above I can only assume but find it very hard to believe, that a previous owner of my syncro had the speedo drive gearing changed to suit 15" wheels and tyres, given it is my experience that my GPS readout and the speedo read exactly the same whilst travelling.
 
So given I find it hard to believe the gearing was changed and knowing the syncro originally had 14" wheels and michelin tyres, why is my speedo reading correctly?
 
A happy new year conundrum.
 
Cheers.
Ken

 

 
Found this on the net Les. Interestingly this mph speedo I have is loose on the metal gear! Greg E

--- On Fri, 31/12/10, Yurik Orlowsky <yuriko@iinet.net.au> wrote:

From: Yurik Orlowsky <yuriko@iinet.net.au>
Subject: RE: [Syncro_T3_Australia] Instrument Cluster
To: Syncro_T3_Australia@yahoogroups.com
Received: Friday, 31 December, 2010, 7:59 PM

 

Les

As well as there being 8 different drive ratios there are also 3 different drive gears on the pinion shaft that need to be matched up for a specific crown wheel and pinion ratio and tyre size.

I think it would be much easier if all the mechanical gears were one standard size and the different configurations could be selected by a system of replaceable plastic gears in the speedo – perhaps this is too simple for VW!

Yurik

 

From: Syncro_T3_Australia@yahoogroups.com [mailto:Syncro_T3_Australia@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Les Harris
Sent: Thursday, 30 December 2010 4:57 PM
To: Syncro_T3_Australia@yahoogroups.com
Subject: RE: [Syncro_T3_Australia] Instrument Cluster

 

 

Ben, Greg,

It has all come together with these replies.

The drive gear (Ben’s picture) fitted to the front diff comes in eight different ratios and each ratio is matched to tyre sizes.   This answers the original question.  The Syncro speedo is the same as for all T3’s and the correct reading is achieved via the drive gear in the front diff being matched to the tyre size.

This further means that anyone who has fitted a larger wheel/tyre size can get a correct speedo reading by fitting the gear appropriate to the wheel/tyre size.

Les


From: Syncro_T3_Australia@yahoogroups.com [mailto:Syncro_T3_Australia@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of BenT Syncro
Sent: 30 December 2010 19:13
To: Syncro_T3_Australia@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [Syncro_T3_Australia] Instrument Cluster

 

 

Les,

 

No need to dismantle your instrument cluster. This drive gear is attached to front differential. I am quite quite familiar with the NoOxBoxForOZ fact.


BenT





 
Sorry forgot link
http://www.twistedlimbpaper.com/brian/vanagon/Odometer.htm
--- On Sun, 2/1/11, greg esposito <gregespo73@yahoo.com> wrote:

From: greg esposito <gregespo73@yahoo.com>
Subject: RE: [Syncro_T3_Australia] Instrument Cluster
To: Syncro_T3_Australia@yahoogroups.com
Received: Sunday, 2 January, 2011, 9:55 AM

 
Found this on the net Les. Interestingly this mph speedo I have is loose on the metal gear! Greg E

--- On Fri, 31/12/10, Yurik Orlowsky <yuriko@iinet.net.au> wrote:

From: Yurik Orlowsky <yuriko@iinet.net.au>
Subject: RE: [Syncro_T3_Australia] Instrument Cluster
To: Syncro_T3_Australia@yahoogroups.com
Received: Friday, 31 December, 2010, 7:59 PM

 

Les

As well as there being 8 different drive ratios there are also 3 different drive gears on the pinion shaft that need to be matched up for a specific crown wheel and pinion ratio and tyre size.

I think it would be much easier if all the mechanical gears were one standard size and the different configurations could be selected by a system of replaceable plastic gears in the speedo – perhaps this is too simple for VW!

Yurik

 

From: Syncro_T3_Australia@yahoogroups.com [mailto:Syncro_T3_Australia@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Les Harris
Sent: Thursday, 30 December 2010 4:57 PM
To: Syncro_T3_Australia@yahoogroups.com
Subject: RE: [Syncro_T3_Australia] Instrument Cluster

 

 

Ben, Greg,

It has all come together with these replies.

The drive gear (Ben’s picture) fitted to the front diff comes in eight different ratios and each ratio is matched to tyre sizes.   This answers the original question.  The Syncro speedo is the same as for all T3’s and the correct reading is achieved via the drive gear in the front diff being matched to the tyre size.

This further means that anyone who has fitted a larger wheel/tyre size can get a correct speedo reading by fitting the gear appropriate to the wheel/tyre size.

Les


From: Syncro_T3_Australia@yahoogroups.com [mailto:Syncro_T3_Australia@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of BenT Syncro
Sent: 30 December 2010 19:13
To: Syncro_T3_Australia@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [Syncro_T3_Australia] Instrument Cluster

 

 

Les,

 

No need to dismantle your instrument cluster. This drive gear is attached to front differential. I am quite quite familiar with the NoOxBoxForOZ fact.


BenT





 
 

Greg,

What did you find?   There is no further reference in you email.

Les

 

Greg,

Thanks, got it.  It never ceases to amaze me just how much time and effort some people will put into something like this to help others. 

He came to the same conclusion as I did – Loctite.  Applying a knurl won’t helping my case because of the hairline crack through the nylon gear but the load is light and I might get away with stud grade Loctite.  I will go down to the local Repco shortly and see what hey have on the shelf.

Les


From: Syncro_T3_Australia@yahoogroups.com [mailto:Syncro_T3_Australia@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of greg esposito
Sent: 02 January 2011 09:57
To: Syncro_T3_Australia@yahoogroups.com
Subject: RE: [Syncro_T3_Australia] Instrument Cluster