Instrument Cluster

41
Les,  this all very interesting indeed, I had never heard of this before and I suppose we march to the dealership and order one ? INteresting too that most of us have a sticker glued into the rear hatch warning that only approved tyres and rims can be used. Same time VW gives us a chice of eight ??
 A bit like RTA warning us  on one of those  monstrous o.h billboards on the F3 that using  the phone
while driving is a crime and 20km further down the road they advertise :
" in case of traffic incident ring 1300blahblah"
Seriously Les, where can we source those drives and how hard is it to change them ??     Hartmut
To: Syncro_T3_Australia@yahoogroups.com
From: leslieharris@optusnet.com.au
Date: Thu, 30 Dec 2010 19:56:37 +1100
Subject: RE: [Syncro_T3_Australia] Instrument Cluster

 

Ben, Greg,

It has all come together with these replies.

The drive gear (Ben’s picture) fitted to the front diff comes in eight different ratios and each ratio is matched to tyre sizes.   This answers the original question.  The Syncro speedo is the same as for all T3’s and the correct reading is achieved via the drive gear in the front diff being matched to the tyre size.

This further means that anyone who has fitted a larger wheel/tyre size can get a correct speedo reading by fitting the gear appropriate to the wheel/tyre size.

Les

From: Syncro_T3_Australia@yahoogroups.com [mailto:Syncro_T3_Australia@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of BenT Syncro
Sent: 30 December 2010 19:13
To: Syncro_T3_Australia@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [Syncro_T3_Australia] Instrument Cluster

 

 

Les,

 

No need to dismantle your instrument cluster. This drive gear is attached to front differential. I am quite quite familiar with the NoOxBoxForOZ fact.

BenT




42
Les, another thing, one would have to change the pair of gears ? or how does that work ? Hart
 
To: syncro_t3_australia@yahoogroups.com
From: hartis@live.com.au
Date: Thu, 30 Dec 2010 20:22:42 +1100
Subject: RE: [Syncro_T3_Australia] Instrument Cluster

 
Les,  this all very interesting indeed, I had never heard of this before and I suppose we march to the dealership and order one ? INteresting too that most of us have a sticker glued into the rear hatch warning that only approved tyres and rims can be used. Same time VW gives us a chice of eight ??
 A bit like RTA warning us  on one of those  monstrous o.h billboards on the F3 that using  the phone
while driving is a crime and 20km further down the road they advertise :
" in case of traffic incident ring 1300blahblah"
Seriously Les, where can we source those drives and how hard is it to change them ??     Hartmut
To: Syncro_T3_Australia@yahoogroups.com
From: leslieharris@optusnet.com.au
Date: Thu, 30 Dec 2010 19:56:37 +1100
Subject: RE: [Syncro_T3_Australia] Instrument Cluster

 

Ben, Greg,

It has all come together with these replies.

The drive gear (Ben’s picture) fitted to the front diff comes in eight different ratios and each ratio is matched to tyre sizes.   This answers the original question.  The Syncro speedo is the same as for all T3’s and the correct reading is achieved via the drive gear in the front diff being matched to the tyre size.

This further means that anyone who has fitted a larger wheel/tyre size can get a correct speedo reading by fitting the gear appropriate to the wheel/tyre size.

Les

From: Syncro_T3_Australia@yahoogroups.com [mailto:Syncro_T3_Australia@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of BenT Syncro
Sent: 30 December 2010 19:13
To: Syncro_T3_Australia@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [Syncro_T3_Australia] Instrument Cluster

 

 

Les,

 

No need to dismantle your instrument cluster. This drive gear is attached to front differential. I am quite quite familiar with the NoOxBoxForOZ fact.

BenT





43
No, the 2WD speedo is different and not interchangeable.



> Les Harris <leslieharris@optusnet.com.au> wrote:
>
> Phill,
>
> No, and that was the point of what I was saying. The actual speedo is
> the
> same. The 2WD drives from the front wheel and the Syncro drives from the
> front diff but the speedo, at least according to the ETKA listing, is
> the
> same. In the Syncro, the range of tyre sizes is then taken care of by
> the
> individual appropriate gear.
>
> Les
>
> _____
>
> From: Syncro_T3_Australia@yahoogroups.com
> [mailto:Syncro_T3_Australia@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of
> plander@optusnet.com.au
> Sent: 30 December 2010 20:12
> To: Syncro_T3_Australia@yahoogroups.com
> Subject: Re: RE: [Syncro_T3_Australia] Instrument Cluster
>
>
>
>
>
>
> Of course the 2WD speedo is different as it is wheel driven.
44

 

 

From: Syncro_T3_Australia@yahoogroups.com [mailto: Syncro_T3_Australia@yahoogroups.com ] On Behalf Of Hartmut Kiehn
Sent: 30 December 2010 20:23
To: wendyand brian
Subject: RE: [Syncro_T3_Australia] Instrument Cluster


Seriously Les, where can we source those drives and how hard is it to change them??     Hartmut

Haven’t got that far yet, Hartmut, I am still trying to eat my dinner!

Les

 

To: Syncro_T3_Australia@yahoogroups.com
From: leslieharris@optusnet.com.au
Date: Thu, 30 Dec 2010 19:56:37 +1100
Subject: RE: [Syncro_T3_Australia] Instrument Cluster

 

Ben, Greg,

It has all come together with these replies.

The drive gear (Ben’s picture) fitted to the front diff comes in eight different ratios and each ratio is matched to tyre sizes.   This answers the original question.  The Syncro speedo is the same as for all T3’s and the correct reading is achieved via the drive gear in the front diff being matched to the tyre size.

This further means that anyone who has fitted a larger wheel/tyre size can get a correct speedo reading by fitting the gear appropriate to the wheel/tyre size.

Les

From: Syncro_T3_Australia@yahoogroups.com [mailto: Syncro_T3_Australia@yahoogroups.com ] On Behalf Of BenT Syncro
Sent: 30 December 2010 19:13
To: Syncro_T3_Australia@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [Syncro_T3_Australia] Instrument Cluster

 

 

Les,

 

No need to dismantle your instrument cluster. This drive gear is attached to front differential. I am quite quite familiar with the NoOxBoxForOZ fact.

BenT

 

 

45
Hello Everyone,
I'm glad Les finally sorted out what I was trying to answer. The speedpmeter drive gear is currently NLA. One vendor in the US bought the last five he found in VW's inventory. He is asking US$200 each. The ones he has are all 19-teeth variety.
Hart, it is a single gear as I posted in the link earlier. It just takes drive from the front differential so it can be sent up to the speedometer.
Les, what Phill is saying is correct. The 2wd speedos have a different gearing at the speedo head itself. Unless someone wants to make a custom front diff gear, the 2wd speedo head will read twice as fast. Or you could gut an old Syncro speedo and install those in a 2wd speedo. With respect to that, they are essentially the same.
As VW Classic Parts in Germany has taken over VW tooling for some Syncro specific items, all we need to do is express the need. They are usually receptive to low volume items which are them made available from the VW dealership partscounters. Don't expect them to be super cheap. The upside is your Syncro can be technically "factory original" with their parts. Seen their 16" rear swingarms and wheel arches?
Here's hoping this clarifies some of the questions.
BenT

On Thu, Dec 30, 2010 at 1:29 AM, Hartmut Kiehn <hartis@live.com.au> wrote:


Les, another thing, one would have to change the pair of gears ? or how does that work ? Hart

To: syncro_t3_australia@yahoogroups.com
From: hartis@live.com.au
Date: Thu, 30 Dec 2010 20:22:42 +1100

Subject: RE: [Syncro_T3_Australia] Instrument Cluster

Les, this all very interesting indeed, I had never heard of this before and I suppose we march to the dealership and order one ? INteresting too that most of us have a sticker glued into the rear hatch warning that only approved tyres and rims can be used. Same time VW gives us a chice of eight ??
A bit like RTA warning us on one of those monstrous o.h billboards on the F3 that using the phone
while driving is a crime and 20km further down the road they advertise :
" in case of traffic incident ring 1300blahblah"
Seriously Les, where can we source those drives and how hard is it to change them ?? Hartmut
To: Syncro_T3_Australia@yahoogroups.com
From: leslieharris@optusnet.com.au
Date: Thu, 30 Dec 2010 19:56:37 +1100
Subject: RE: [Syncro_T3_Australia] Instrument Cluster

Ben, Greg,

It has all come together with these replies.

The drive gear (Ben’s picture) fitted to the front diff comes in eight different ratios and each ratio is matched to tyre sizes. This answers the original question. The Syncro speedo is the same as for all T3’s and the correct reading is achieved via the drive gear in the front diff being matched to the tyre size.

This further means that anyone who has fitted a larger wheel/tyre size can get a correct speedo reading by fitting the gear appropriate to the wheel/tyre size.

Les

From: Syncro_T3_Australia@yahoogroups.com [mailto:Syncro_T3_Australia@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of BenT Syncro
Sent: 30 December 2010 19:13
To: Syncro_T3_Australia@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [Syncro_T3_Australia] Instrument Cluster

Les,

No need to dismantle your instrument cluster. This drive gear is attached to front differential. I am quite quite familiar with the NoOxBoxForOZ fact.

BenT





46
Les,
Just love opening cans of worms  .....

re: "This further means that anyone who has fitted a larger wheel/tyre size can get a correct speedo reading by fitting the gear appropriate to the wheel/tyre size."
 
Case in point, my present tyres are a slightly larger diameter than the BFG T/A 215 75 R15s.
 
So from what you say above I can only assume but find it very hard to believe, that a previous owner of my syncro had the speedo drive gearing changed to suit 15" wheels and tyres, given it is my experience that my GPS readout and the speedo read exactly the same whilst travelling.
 
So given I find it hard to believe the gearing was changed and knowing the syncro originally had 14" wheels and michelin tyres, why is my speedo reading correctly?
 
A happy new year conundrum.
 
Cheers.
Ken
47

HI Ken,

 

The reason for this is, not that someone has fiddled with your speedo’s cogs, but that a 215/75x15 is only just slightly larger than the factory original Michelin 205R14C’s, one of which was still in my spare wheel locker when I got my Syncro 15 years ago. Given that VW speedos are generally a little out this ‘slightly larger’ returns you to spot on. This is something that I found out fortuitously in the days BL (before Les and this group).

 

See you at Bateman’s,

 

Brian R.

 

From: Syncro_T3_Australia@yahoogroups.com [mailto:Syncro_T3_Australia@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Ken Garratt
Sent: Thursday, 30 December 2010 10:44 PM
To: Syncro _T3_Australia forum
Subject: RE: [Syncro_T3_Australia] Instrument Cluster

 

 

Les,
Just love opening cans of worms  .....

re: "This further means that anyone who has fitted a larger wheel/tyre size can get a correct speedo reading by fitting the gear appropriate to the wheel/tyre size."
 
Case in point, my present tyres are a slightly larger diameter than the BFG T/A 215 75 R15s.
 
So from what you say above I can only assume but find it very hard to believe, that a previous owner of my syncro had the speedo drive gearing changed to suit 15" wheels and tyres, given it is my experience that my GPS readout and the speedo read exactly the same whilst travelling.
 
So given I find it hard to believe the gearing was changed and knowing the syncro originally had 14" wheels and michelin tyres, why is my speedo reading correctly?
 
A happy new year conundrum.
 
Cheers.
Ken

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48
Most speedos read 5-10% over.

Buy going to a larger diameter tyre (3%) you have made your speedo more accurate.



> Ken Garratt <unclekenz@hotmail.com> wrote:
>
>
> Les,
>
> Just love opening cans of worms .....
>
>
> re: "This further means that anyone who has fitted a larger wheel/tyre
> size can get a correct speedo reading by fitting the gear appropriate to
> the wheel/tyre size."
>
>
>
> Case in point, my present tyres are a slightly larger diameter than the
> BFG T/A 215 75 R15s.
>
>
>
> So from what you say above I can only assume but find it very hard to
> believe, that a previous owner of my syncro had the speedo drive gearing
> changed to suit 15" wheels and tyres, given it is my experience that my
> GPS readout and the speedo read exactly the same whilst travelling.
>
>
>
> So given I find it hard to believe the gearing was changed and knowing
> the syncro originally had 14" wheels and michelin tyres, why is my
> speedo reading correctly?
>
>
>
> A happy new year conundrum.
>
>
>
> Cheers.
>
> Ken
>
49
Brian,

You've got the answer spot on. VW T3 speedos are typically 5% on the optimistic side. Going to a tyre 5% larger makes the reading more accurate.

I've gotten ahold of a 157 page Transmission Repair Manual with great illustrations courtesy of fellow T3 enthusiast Alistair in Canada. The speedometer drive gear is #5 in the exploded diagram and identified as:

"Ritzelweill  für Tachoantrieb"

We know at this point that it in English it is the 'Speedometer Drive Gear'. I used a couple of online translation services to see how they decode that string of words. Closest is Google Translate though they did not translate 'Weill'. Perhaps our resident German Hartmut can do a better job. Here's what they say:

"Weill for speedometer drive pinion"

Anyway, sending the PDF to appropriate parties in the group.


BenT


On Dec 30, 2010, at 11:57 AM, "Brian Reed" <breed@bigpond.net.au> wrote:

HI Ken,

 

The reason for this is, not that someone has fiddled with your speedo’s cogs, but that a 215/75x15 is only just slightly larger than the factory original Michelin 205R14C’s, one of which was still in my spare wheel locker when I got my Syncro 15 years ago. Given that VW speedos are generally a little out this ‘slightly larger’ returns you to spot on. This is something that I found out fortuitously in the days BL (before Les and this group).

 

See you at Bateman’s,

 

Brian R.

 

From: Syncro_T3_Australia@yahoogroups.com [mailto:Syncro_T3_Australia@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Ken Garratt
Sent: Thursday, 30 December 2010 10:44 PM
To: Syncro _T3_Australia forum
Subject: RE: [Syncro_T3_Australia] Instrument Cluster

 

 

Les,
Just love opening cans of worms  .....

re: "This further means that anyone who has fitted a larger wheel/tyre size can get a correct speedo reading by fitting the gear appropriate to the wheel/tyre size."
 
Case in point, my present tyres are a slightly larger diameter than the BFG T/A 215 75 R15s.
 
So from what you say above I can only assume but find it very hard to believe, that a previous owner of my syncro had the speedo drive gearing changed to suit 15" wheels and tyres, given it is my experience that my GPS readout and the speedo read exactly the same whilst travelling.
 
So given I find it hard to believe the gearing was changed and knowing the syncro originally had 14" wheels and michelin tyres, why is my speedo reading correctly?
 
A happy new year conundrum.
 
Cheers.
Ken

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I used a couple of online translation services to see how they
> decode that string of words. Closest is Google

Be careful of the translators. "To upgrade your suspension you should change your feathers."
51
Ken as has already been pointed out a manufacturer will always make there speedos read high to avoid litigation. I do not know the VW equation of the top of my head but the BMW one is @ 100kmh minus 7kmh then plus or minus 4kmh. So your speedo is good if at 100kmh true your speedo reads 89kmh to 97kmh. Japanese cars tend to be more accurate at around 3 to 4kmh low. My bus reads a whole 10kmh fast with tyres slightly larger than stock. Even when I fit 16"s I wont bridge this gap, unless of course I cut out the guards, fit BIG tyres and a 3.0L tdi!!! Greg E 

--- On Thu, 30/12/10, Ken Garratt <unclekenz@hotmail.com> wrote:

From: Ken Garratt <unclekenz@hotmail.com>
Subject: RE: [Syncro_T3_Australia] Instrument Cluster
To: "Syncro _T3_Australia forum" <syncro_t3_australia@yahoogroups.com>
Received: Thursday, 30 December, 2010, 10:43 PM

 
Les,
Just love opening cans of worms  .....

re: "This further means that anyone who has fitted a larger wheel/tyre size can get a correct speedo reading by fitting the gear appropriate to the wheel/tyre size."
 
Case in point, my present tyres are a slightly larger diameter than the BFG T/A 215 75 R15s.
 
So from what you say above I can only assume but find it very hard to believe, that a previous owner of my syncro had the speedo drive gearing changed to suit 15" wheels and tyres, given it is my experience that my GPS readout and the speedo read exactly the same whilst travelling.
 
So given I find it hard to believe the gearing was changed and knowing the syncro originally had 14" wheels and michelin tyres, why is my speedo reading correctly?
 
A happy new year conundrum.
 
Cheers.
Ken

 
52

Ken,

The speedo mechanism in the average production vehicle costs just a few dollars at the manufacturing stage and is not an award winner for accuracy. 

Having selected a $2 mechanism, the vehicle manufacturer then has to decide at which point the speedo will give an “accurate” reading.   Will it be on brand new tyres?  Will it be half worn?  Fully worn?  Then they have to decide if this is to apply to Brand A, B, C, D, E or F tyres, all of which vary in size.  Will it be calculated in on SLR (static loaded radius) or DLR (dynamic loaded radius)?

Any resemblance between the speed/distance shown on the $2 speedo and the speed/distance shown on a $5000 piece of measuring gear at the proving ground is largely coincidental.

And happy new year to you too.

Les

From: Syncro_T3_Australia@yahoogroups.com [mailto: Syncro_T3_Australia@yahoogroups.com ] On Behalf Of Ken Garratt
Sent: 30 December 2010 22:44
To: Syncro _T3_Australia forum
Subject: RE: [Syncro_T3_Australia] Instrument Cluster

 

 

Les,
Just love opening cans of worms  .....

re: "This further means that anyone who has fitted a larger wheel/tyre size can get a correct speedo reading by fitting the gear appropriate to the wheel/tyre size."
 
Case in point, my present tyres are a slightly larger diameter than the BFG T/A 215 75 R15s.
 
So from what you say above I can only assume but find it very hard to believe, that a previous owner of my syncro had the speedo drive gearing changed to suit 15" wheels and tyres, given it is my experience that my GPS readout and the speedo read exactly the same whilst travelling.
 
So given I find it hard to believe the gearing was changed and knowing the syncro originally had 14" wheels and michelin tyres, why is my speedo reading correctly?
 
A happy new year conundrum.
 
Cheers.
Ken

53
Ben, it should write Ritzelwelle  that's the word for that kind of thingo. One could translate it to toothed shaft for speedo drive. Tacho in german stands for Speedo in australian or english.  
Hartis
written from my desktop
 
To: Syncro_T3_Australia@yahoogroups.com
From: syncro@gmail.com
Date: Thu, 30 Dec 2010 12:51:07 -0800
Subject: Re: [Syncro_T3_Australia] Instrument Cluste

 
Brian,

You've got the answer spot on. VW T3 speedos are typically 5% on the optimistic side. Going to a tyre 5% larger makes the reading more accurate.

I've gotten ahold of a 157 page Transmission Repair Manual with great illustrations courtesy of fellow T3 enthusiast Alistair in Canada. The speedometer drive gear is #5 in the exploded diagram and identified as:

"Ritzelweill  für Tachoantrieb"

We know at this point that it in English it is the 'Speedometer Drive Gear'. I used a couple of online translation services to see how they decode that string of words. Closest is Google Translate though they did not translate 'Weill'. Perhaps our resident German Hartmut can do a better job. Here's what they say:

"Weill for speedometer drive pinion"

Anyway, sending the PDF to appropriate parties in the group.


BenT


On Dec 30, 2010, at 11:57 AM, "Brian Reed" <breed@bigpond.net.au> wrote:

HI Ken,

 

The reason for this is, not that someone has fiddled with your speedo’s cogs, but that a 215/75x15 is only just slightly larger than the factory original Michelin 205R14C’s, one of which was still in my spare wheel locker when I got my Syncro 15 years ago. Given that VW speedos are generally a little out this ‘slightly larger’ returns you to spot on. This is something that I found out fortuitously in the days BL (before Les and this group).

 

See you at Bateman’s,

 

Brian R.

 

From: Syncro_T3_Australia@yahoogroups.com [mailto:Syncro_T3_Australia@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Ken Garratt
Sent: Thursday, 30 December 2010 10:44 PM
To: Syncro _T3_Australia forum
Subject: RE: [Syncro_T3_Australia] Instrument Cluster

 

 

Les,
Just love opening cans of worms  .....

re: "This further means that anyone who has fitted a larger wheel/tyre size can get a correct speedo reading by fitting the gear appropriate to the wheel/tyre size."
 
Case in point, my present tyres are a slightly larger diameter than the BFG T/A 215 75 R15s.
 
So from what you say above I can only assume but find it very hard to believe, that a previous owner of my syncro had the speedo drive gearing changed to suit 15" wheels and tyres, given it is my experience that my GPS readout and the speedo read exactly the same whilst travelling.
 
So given I find it hard to believe the gearing was changed and knowing the syncro originally had 14" wheels and michelin tyres, why is my speedo reading correctly?
 
A happy new year conundrum.
 
Cheers.
Ken

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54
Bent,  btw  there is a Weill  too, it is a littly town on the river Rhein on the german side of the border with the Swiss.... Ha
 
To: Syncro_T3_Australia@yahoogroups.com
From: syncro@gmail.com
Date: Thu, 30 Dec 2010 12:51:07 -0800
Subject: Re: [Syncro_T3_Australia] Instrument Cluste

 
Brian,

You've got the answer spot on. VW T3 speedos are typically 5% on the optimistic side. Going to a tyre 5% larger makes the reading more accurate.

I've gotten ahold of a 157 page Transmission Repair Manual with great illustrations courtesy of fellow T3 enthusiast Alistair in Canada. The speedometer drive gear is #5 in the exploded diagram and identified as:

"Ritzelweill  für Tachoantrieb"

We know at this point that it in English it is the 'Speedometer Drive Gear'. I used a couple of online translation services to see how they decode that string of words. Closest is Google Translate though they did not translate 'Weill'. Perhaps our resident German Hartmut can do a better job. Here's what they say:

"Weill for speedometer drive pinion"

Anyway, sending the PDF to appropriate parties in the group.


BenT


On Dec 30, 2010, at 11:57 AM, "Brian Reed" <breed@bigpond.net.au> wrote:

HI Ken,

 

The reason for this is, not that someone has fiddled with your speedo’s cogs, but that a 215/75x15 is only just slightly larger than the factory original Michelin 205R14C’s, one of which was still in my spare wheel locker when I got my Syncro 15 years ago. Given that VW speedos are generally a little out this ‘slightly larger’ returns you to spot on. This is something that I found out fortuitously in the days BL (before Les and this group).

 

See you at Bateman’s,

 

Brian R.

 

From: Syncro_T3_Australia@yahoogroups.com [mailto:Syncro_T3_Australia@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Ken Garratt
Sent: Thursday, 30 December 2010 10:44 PM
To: Syncro _T3_Australia forum
Subject: RE: [Syncro_T3_Australia] Instrument Cluster

 

 

Les,
Just love opening cans of worms  .....

re: "This further means that anyone who has fitted a larger wheel/tyre size can get a correct speedo reading by fitting the gear appropriate to the wheel/tyre size."
 
Case in point, my present tyres are a slightly larger diameter than the BFG T/A 215 75 R15s.
 
So from what you say above I can only assume but find it very hard to believe, that a previous owner of my syncro had the speedo drive gearing changed to suit 15" wheels and tyres, given it is my experience that my GPS readout and the speedo read exactly the same whilst travelling.
 
So given I find it hard to believe the gearing was changed and knowing the syncro originally had 14" wheels and michelin tyres, why is my speedo reading correctly?
 
A happy new year conundrum.
 
Cheers.
Ken

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55
Good one for the Glider Pilots amonst ourselves ( like Les )    Haha
 
To: Syncro_T3_Australia@yahoogroups.com
From: plander@optusnet.com.au
Date: Fri, 31 Dec 2010 08:39:18 +1100
Subject: Re: Re: [Syncro_T3_Australia] Instrument Cluste

 

I used a couple of online translation services to see how they
> decode that string of words. Closest is Google

Be careful of the translators. "To upgrade your suspension you should change your feathers."

56

I haven’t had any wind through my feathers in a very long time.  Sigh!!

 

From: Syncro_T3_Australia@yahoogroups.com [mailto: Syncro_T3_Australia@yahoogroups.com ] On Behalf Of Hartmut Kiehn
Sent: 31 December 2010 10:15
To: wendyand brian
Subject: RE: [Syncro_T3_Australia] Instrument Cluste

 

 

Good one for the Glider Pilots amonst ourselves ( like Les )    Haha
 

To: Syncro_T3_Australia@yahoogroups.com
From: plander@optusnet.com.au
Date: Fri, 31 Dec 2010 08:39:18 +1100
Subject: Re: Re: [Syncro_T3_Australia] Instrument Cluste

 


I used a couple of online translation services to see how they

> decode that string of words. Closest is Google

Be careful of the translators. "To upgrade your suspension you should change your feathers."

57
Somehow, your words bring to mind a movie title. I'm paraphrasing here but it's something like:

The Adventures of Leslie, Princess of the Desert

Les would have pink feathers and walk by his mother the Queen -- Priscilla, I believe.


BenT


On Dec 30, 2010, at 3:19 PM, "Les Harris" <leslieharris@optusnet.com.au> wrote:

I haven’t had any wind through my feathers in a very long time.  Sigh!!

 


58

Um . . . Hartmut and I were talking about gliders actually . . .

 

From: Syncro_T3_Australia@yahoogroups.com [mailto: Syncro_T3_Australia@yahoogroups.com ] On Behalf Of BenT Syncro
Sent: 31 December 2010 10:29
To: Syncro_T3_Australia@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [Syncro_T3_Australia] Instrument Cluster

 

 

Somehow, your words bring to mind a movie title. I'm paraphrasing here but it's something like:

 

The Adventures of Leslie, Princess of the Desert

 

Les would have pink feathers and walk by his mother the Queen -- Priscilla, I believe.

 

 

BenT

 

 

On Dec 30, 2010, at 3:19 PM, "Les Harris" <leslieharris@optusnet.com.au> wrote:

 

I haven’t had any wind through my feathers in a very long time.  Sigh!!

 

 

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Gliders, feathers, Les in OZ, Les my ex-wife...

It's all losT in TranslaTion to me, LesT you explain it in Volkswagenspeak. NoTice that there is no T in Volkswagen. 

Here I was Thinking feathers meant springs per Phill's sTaTemenT. See there's no T in Phill.

Though I suspecT Aussies drink the sTuff. You know, Tea!

I resT my case.


BenD Naw

Sent from my case

On Dec 30, 2010, at 3:40 PM, "Les Harris" <leslieharris@optusnet.com.au> wrote:

Um . . . Hartmut and I were talking about gliders actually . . .

 

From: Syncro_T3_Australia@yahoogroups.com [mailto:Syncro_T3_Australia@yahoogroups.com ] On Behalf Of BenT Syncro
Sent: 31 December 2010 10:29
To: Syncro_T3_Australia@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [Syncro_T3_Australia] Instrument Cluster

 

 

Somehow, your words bring to mind a movie title. I'm paraphrasing here but it's something like:

 

The Adventures of Leslie, Princess of the Desert

 

Les would have pink feathers and walk by his mother the Queen -- Priscilla, I believe.

 

 

BenT

 

 

On Dec 30, 2010, at 3:19 PM, "Les Harris" <leslieharris@optusnet.com.au> wrote:

 

I haven’t had any wind through my feathers in a very long time.  Sigh!!

 

 

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Hartis, 

My apologies for failing in spelling. Had  I not selfishly put an 'I' in the word, the Google translator would have been:

'pinion shaft' for speedometer... 

Still not representative of the correct word I was looking for. But seeing the word 'tacho...' and knowing what the part looked like was all I needed to identify it from the diagram.

I've already made the mistake of asking a German vendor for a 'tachometer' about ten years ago. Imagine my surprise to receive a speedometer.

BenT
Sent from my taco & enchilada

On Dec 30, 2010, at 3:07 PM, Hartmut Kiehn <hartis@live.com.au> wrote:

Ben, it should write Ritzelwelle  that's the word for that kind of thingo. One could translate it to toothed shaft for speedo drive. Tacho in german stands for Speedo in australian or english.  
Hartis
written from my desktop
 
To: Syncro_T3_Australia@yahoogroups.com
From: syncro@gmail.com
Date: Thu, 30 Dec 2010 12:51:07 -0800
Subject: Re: [Syncro_T3_Australia] Instrument Cluste

 
Brian,

You've got the answer spot on. VW T3 speedos are typically 5% on the optimistic side. Going to a tyre 5% larger makes the reading more accurate.

I've gotten ahold of a 157 page Transmission Repair Manual with great illustrations courtesy of fellow T3 enthusiast Alistair in Canada. The speedometer drive gear is #5 in the exploded diagram and identified as:

"Ritzelweill  für Tachoantrieb"

We know at this point that it in English it is the 'Speedometer Drive Gear'. I used a couple of online translation services to see how they decode that string of words. Closest is Google Translate though they did not translate 'Weill'. Perhaps our resident German Hartmut can do a better job. Here's what they say:

"Weill for speedometer drive pinion"

Anyway, sending the PDF to appropriate parties in the group.


BenT


On Dec 30, 2010, at 11:57 AM, "Brian Reed" <breed@bigpond.net.au> wrote:

HI Ken,

 

The reason for this is, not that someone has fiddled with your speedo’s cogs, but that a 215/75x15 is only just slightly larger than the factory original Michelin 205R14C’s, one of which was still in my spare wheel locker when I got my Syncro 15 years ago. Given that VW speedos are generally a little out this ‘slightly larger’ returns you to spot on. This is something that I found out fortuitously in the days BL (before Les and this group).

 

See you at Bateman’s,

 

Brian R.

 

From: Syncro_T3_Australia@yahoogroups.com [mailto:Syncro_T3_Australia@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Ken Garratt
Sent: Thursday, 30 December 2010 10:44 PM
To: Syncro _T3_Australia forum
Subject: RE: [Syncro_T3_Australia] Instrument Cluster

 

 

Les,
Just love opening cans of worms  .....

re: "This further means that anyone who has fitted a larger wheel/tyre size can get a correct speedo reading by fitting the gear appropriate to the wheel/tyre size."
 
Case in point, my present tyres are a slightly larger diameter than the BFG T/A 215 75 R15s.
 
So from what you say above I can only assume but find it very hard to believe, that a previous owner of my syncro had the speedo drive gearing changed to suit 15" wheels and tyres, given it is my experience that my GPS readout and the speedo read exactly the same whilst travelling.
 
So given I find it hard to believe the gearing was changed and knowing the syncro originally had 14" wheels and michelin tyres, why is my speedo reading correctly?
 
A happy new year conundrum.
 
Cheers.
Ken

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