NSW Rip Off

21

Les. In many areas there is reciprocity between States but NSW is often out of kilter with the rest of Australia. I used to be involved at a senior Govt level in this sort of thing. We shall see tomorrow if I can win the argument. If not I will be paying under sufferance and taking it up with the Pollies.

 

Cheers, Peter

 

22

Peter,

Sad that you are not in Victoria because I would have this fixed in one phone call! 

I seriously suggest that you try another inspector rather than go to the extreme of paying a lot of money for something that is legally not necessary. 

Alternatively, you could ring the RTA, say that you have a Vic registered campervan that you want to register in NSW and ask them what you need to do.  Make notes!  If necessary, you can mention that the vehicle is fitted with an approved NSW camper conversion and originally registered with this conversion, just to make sure that they home in on this detail.

Les

From: Syncro_T3_Australia@yahoogroups.com [mailto: Syncro_T3_Australia@yahoogroups.com ] On Behalf Of Peter Coe
Sent: 10 May 2010 18:30
To: Syncro_T3_Australia@yahoogroups.com
Subject: RE: [Syncro_T3_Australia] NSW Rip Off

Les. In many areas there is reciprocity between States but NSW is often out of kilter with the rest of Australia . I used to be involved at a senior Govt level in this sort of thing. We shall see tomorrow if I can win the argument. If not I will be paying under sufferance and taking it up with the Pollies.  

Cheers, Peter

 

23
There is a special phone number for doing this.



> Les Harris <leslieharris@optusnet.com.au> wrote:
>
> Peter,
>
> Sad that you are not in Victoria because I would have this fixed in one
> phone call!
>
> I seriously suggest that you try another inspector rather than go to the
> extreme of paying a lot of money for something that is legally not
> necessary.
>
> Alternatively, you could ring the RTA, say that you have a Vic
> registered
> campervan that you want to register in NSW and ask them what you need to
> do.
> Make notes! If necessary, you can mention that the vehicle is fitted
> with
> an approved NSW camper conversion and originally registered with this
> conversion, just to make sure that they home in on this detail.
>
> Les
>
> _____
>
> From: Syncro_T3_Australia@yahoogroups.com
> [mailto:Syncro_T3_Australia@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Peter Coe
> Sent: 10 May 2010 18:30
> To: Syncro_T3_Australia@yahoogroups.com
> Subject: RE: [Syncro_T3_Australia] NSW Rip Off
>
> Les. In many areas there is reciprocity between States but NSW is often
> out
> of kilter with the rest of Australia. I used to be involved at a senior
> Govt
> level in this sort of thing. We shall see tomorrow if I can win the
> argument. If not I will be paying under sufferance and taking it up with
> the
> Pollies.
>
> Cheers, Peter
>
>
24

Phill,

 

That’s all I  need to hear.  I  had my drive way quoted 14 months ago, it was   AUD 11400.-   We wanted to start now, council demanded a new engineering drawing and the quote for the new drive way came in today  at  $ 32 000.-  this includes  $ 3 000.- for the  Lolly Pop Person to direct traffic.  My problem is however that we have to do the job as we sold the house on condition of the drive way rest 

..........Hartis.........  L

 

From: Syncro_T3_Australia@yahoogroups.com [mailto:Syncro_T3_Australia@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of plander@optusnet.com.au
Sent: Monday, 10 May 2010 6:19 PM
To: Syncro_T3_Australia@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: RE: [Syncro_T3_Australia] NSW Rip Off

 

 

Now Les he is dealing with the NSW RTA!

I had dealings last year with the RTA as I wanted to concrete a footpath crossover for my driveway.

First of all I had to pay $400 to my local council so that they could give me a set of generic plans and some misinformation. The phone numbers on the council plans for my RTA contacts did not exist so it took a few weeks to find who to contact as the numbers are top secret and not in the government phone book. After a few months the RTA sent me a list of demands.

I must pay the RTA $852.50 fees with an extra $400 if I concrete on a weekent.

I then pay a $3000 bond for 12 months and if there is no damage to my work then I can apply to get that refunded. (Big chance)

I have to supply a traffic management plan prepared by a qualified designer.

I then have to apply for road occupancy approval,

Public liability insurance is required for 12 months for the amount of $20,000,000. I bet that's not cheap!

They may also require me to have a qualified traffic control person at $1800 just for one. I could need more!

This is the same department that had people stuck in their cars for up to 12 hours on the F3 motorway a few weeks ago because they are too stupid to make a decision!

It just shows what a waste of space NSW universities are.

End of rant.

Phill

> Les Harris <leslieharris@optusnet.com.au>
wrote:
>
> Peter,
>
> If it has once been legally registered as a campervan, it is implicit
> that
> the camping conversion was approved.
>
> If it was not an approved conversion, it cannot have been legally
> registered.
>
> It is an approved conversion by virtue of the fact that it has already
> been
> registered as such.
>
> No registration body can now turn round and say that it is not approved.
>
>
> No registration body can try to shift the onus back on you to show that
> it
> is an approved conversion.
>
> QED
>
> Les
>
> __

25

Phill,

I do consulting work in the field of engineering approval of modified vehicles.  We deal regularly with VicRoads and DOTARS so we speak with people who understand the relevant pieces of legislation. 

Les

 

From: Syncro_T3_Australia@yahoogroups.com [mailto: Syncro_T3_Australia@yahoogroups.com ] On Behalf Of plander@optusnet.com.au
Sent: 10 May 2010 18:53
To: Syncro_T3_Australia@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: RE: [Syncro_T3_Australia] NSW Rip Off

 

 

There is a special phone number for doing this.

> Les Harris <leslieharris@ optusnet. com.au>
wrote:
>
> Peter,
>
> Sad that you are not in Victoria
because I would have this fixed in one
> phone call!

26
On the subject of NSW RTA Engineers,can anyone in the group recomend one in Sydney.One that likes modifed vehicles?There must be one.
You see so many buzz boxes around here that should have one, or are
these vehicles not legally registered!?

--- In Syncro_T3_Australia@yahoogroups.com, plander@... wrote:
>
>
> The Vic rego papers have it registered
> > as a 1989 Volks Carvn, so I am hopeful when I get into the detail it may make
> > a difference.
>
> Try another blue slip man or contact the RTA.
>
> Engineers certificates can only be supplied by NSW RTA authorised engineers.
>
> Phill
>
27
Hartmut,
 
Hark back to 1981. I phoned and asked a Council staffer to visit, inspect and advise their requirements for a concrete crossing across their council strip into my property. Which they duly did and supplied me with their pencil line drawing showing minimum/maximum slope guidelines necessary for a complying crossing. Then they left, leaving me to figure out what to do and how to do it.
 
I dug it out thicker than minimum specs, installed top and bottom steel to above spec requirements and poured and screeded it myself. They never inspected it. Cost to me? A phone call, my labour to dig it out, form it up, pay for and install the reo and pay for and install the pre-mixed concrete. Trucks drive on it when necessary .... not cracked yet.
 
The good old days.
 
Ken 
 
To: Syncro_T3_Australia@yahoogroups.com
From: hartis@live.com.au
Date: Mon, 10 May 2010 18:52:38 +1000
Subject: RE: RE: [Syncro_T3_Australia] NSW Rip Off

 

Phill,

 

That’s all I  need to hear.  I  had my drive way quoted 14 months ago, it was   AUD 11400.-   We wanted to start now, council demanded a new engineering drawing and the quote for the new drive way came in today  at  $ 32 000.-  this includes  $ 3 000.- for the  Lolly Pop Person to direct traffic.  My problem is however that we have to do the job as we sold the house on condition of the drive way rest 

..........Hartis. ........  L

 

From: Syncro_T3_Australia @yahoogroups. com [mailto:Syncro_ T3_Australia@ yahoogroups. com] On Behalf Of plander@optusnet. com.au
Sent: Monday, 10 May 2010 6:19 PM
To: Syncro_T3_Australia @yahoogroups. com
Subject: Re: RE: [Syncro_T3_Australi a] NSW Rip Off

 

 

Now Les he is dealing with the NSW RTA!

I had dealings last year with the RTA as I wanted to concrete a footpath crossover for my driveway.

First of all I had to pay $400 to my local council so that they could give me a set of generic plans and some misinformation. The phone numbers on the council plans for my RTA contacts did not exist so it took a few weeks to find who to contact as the numbers are top secret and not in the government phone book. After a few months the RTA sent me a list of demands.

I must pay the RTA $852.50 fees with an extra $400 if I concrete on a weekent.

I then pay a $3000 bond for 12 months and if there is no damage to my work then I can apply to get that refunded. (Big chance)

I have to supply a traffic management plan prepared by a qualified designer.

I then have to apply for road occupancy approval,

Public liability insurance is required for 12 months for the amount of $20,000,000. I bet that's not cheap!

They may also require me to have a qualified traffic control person at $1800 just for one. I could need more!

This is the same department that had people stuck in their cars for up to 12 hours on the F3 motorway a few weeks ago because they are too stupid to make a decision!

It just shows what a waste of space NSW universities are.

End of rant.

Phill

> Les Harris <leslieharris@ optusnet. com.au> wrote:
>
> Peter,
>
> If it has once been legally registered as a campervan, it is implicit
> that
> the camping conversion was approved.
>
> If it was not an approved conversion, it cannot have been legally
> registered.
>
> It is an approved conversion by virtue of the fact that it has already
> been
> registered as such.
>
> No registration body can now turn round and say that it is not approved.
>
>
> No registration body can try to shift the onus back on you to show that
> it
> is an approved conversion.
>
> QED
>
> Les
>
> __



Australia's #1 job site If It Exists, You'll Find it on SEEK
28
Mohamod at Padstow's good for blue slips.

If you need one for your Subaru conversion see Steve Carter.



> bencroft96 <bencroft96@yahoo.com> wrote:
>
> On the subject of NSW RTA Engineers,can anyone in the group recomend one
> in Sydney.One that likes modifed vehicles?There must be one.
> You see so many buzz boxes around here that should have one, or are
> these vehicles not legally registered!?
>
> --- In Syncro_T3_Australia@yahoogroups.com, plander@... wrote:
> >
> >
> > The Vic rego papers have it registered
> > > as a 1989 Volks Carvn, so I am hopeful when I get into the detail it
> may make
> > > a difference.
> >
> > Try another blue slip man or contact the RTA.
> >
> > Engineers certificates can only be supplied by NSW RTA authorised
> engineers.
> >
> > Phill
> >
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You are not allowed to do it yourself anymore. It must be a concretor that is approved for crossings. Most concretors are not approved.



> Ken Garratt <unclekenz@hotmail.com> wrote:
>
>
> Hartmut,
>
>
>
> Hark back to 1981. I phoned and asked a Council staffer to visit,
> inspect and advise their requirements for a concrete crossing across
> their council strip into my property. Which they duly did and supplied
> me with their pencil line drawing showing minimum/maximum slope
> guidelines necessary for a complying crossing. Then they left, leaving
> me to figure out what to do and how to do it.
>
>
>
> I dug it out thicker than minimum specs, installed top and bottom steel
> to above spec requirements and poured and screeded it myself. They never
> inspected it. Cost to me? A phone call, my labour to dig it out, form it
> up, pay for and install the reo and pay for and install the pre-mixed
> concrete. Trucks drive on it when necessary .... not cracked yet.
>
>
>
> The good old days.
>
>
>
> Ken
>
>
>
> To: Syncro_T3_Australia@yahoogroups.com
> From: hartis@live.com.au
> Date: Mon, 10 May 2010 18:52:38 +1000
> Subject: RE: RE: [Syncro_T3_Australia] NSW Rip Off
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> Phill,
>
>
> That���s all I need to hear. I had my drive way quoted 14 months ago,
> it was AUD 11400.- We wanted to start now, council demanded a new
> engineering drawing and the quote for the new drive way came in today
> at $ 32 000.- this includes $ 3 000.- for the Lolly Pop Person to
> direct traffic. My problem is however that we have to do the job as we
> sold the house on condition of the drive way rest
> ..........Hartis......... L
>
>
>
> From: Syncro_T3_Australia@yahoogroups.com
> [mailto:Syncro_T3_Australia@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of
> plander@optusnet.com.au
> Sent: Monday, 10 May 2010 6:19 PM
> To: Syncro_T3_Australia@yahoogroups.com
> Subject: Re: RE: [Syncro_T3_Australia] NSW Rip Off
>
>
>
>
>
> Now Les he is dealing with the NSW RTA!
>
> I had dealings last year with the RTA as I wanted to concrete a footpath
> crossover for my driveway.
>
> First of all I had to pay $400 to my local council so that they could
> give me a set of generic plans and some misinformation. The phone
> numbers on the council plans for my RTA contacts did not exist so it
> took a few weeks to find who to contact as the numbers are top secret
> and not in the government phone book. After a few months the RTA sent me
> a list of demands.
>
> I must pay the RTA $852.50 fees with an extra $400 if I concrete on a
> weekent.
>
> I then pay a $3000 bond for 12 months and if there is no damage to my
> work then I can apply to get that refunded. (Big chance)
>
> I have to supply a traffic management plan prepared by a qualified
> designer.
>
> I then have to apply for road occupancy approval,
>
> Public liability insurance is required for 12 months for the amount of
> $20,000,000. I bet that's not cheap!
>
> They may also require me to have a qualified traffic control person at
> $1800 just for one. I could need more!
>
> This is the same department that had people stuck in their cars for up
> to 12 hours on the F3 motorway a few weeks ago because they are too
> stupid to make a decision!
>
> It just shows what a waste of space NSW universities are.
>
> End of rant.
>
> Phill
>
> > Les Harris <leslieharris@optusnet.com.au> wrote:
> >
> > Peter,
> >
> > If it has once been legally registered as a campervan, it is implicit
> > that
> > the camping conversion was approved.
> >
> > If it was not an approved conversion, it cannot have been legally
> > registered.
> >
> > It is an approved conversion by virtue of the fact that it has already
>
> > been
> > registered as such.
> >
> > No registration body can now turn round and say that it is not
> approved.
> >
> >
> > No registration body can try to shift the onus back on you to show
> that
> > it
> > is an approved conversion.
> >
> > QED
> >
> > Les
> >
> > __
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> _________________________________________________________________
> If It Exists, You'll Find it on SEEK. Australia's #1 job site
> http://clk.atdmt.com/NMN/go/157639755/direct/01/
30
speak with
> people who understand the relevant pieces of legislation.
>

Nobody understands NSW legislation. Ask two people and you'll get two answers.

From a state where a court will let you off but the RTA finds you guilty and you cannot appeal.
31

Not only RTA , Phill,  the same stands for  CASA  and also DoCS  who are prosecutors and judges, all in one.  Hart

 

From: Syncro_T3_Australia@yahoogroups.com [mailto:Syncro_T3_Australia@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of plander@optusnet.com.au
Sent: Monday, 10 May 2010 8:35 PM
To: Syncro_T3_Australia@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: RE: RE: [Syncro_T3_Australia] NSW Rip Off

 

 


speak with

> people who understand the relevant pieces of legislation.
>

Nobody understands NSW legislation. Ask two people and you'll get two answers.

From a state where a court will let you off but the RTA finds you guilty and you cannot appeal.

32
Thanks Phil

--- In Syncro_T3_Australia@yahoogroups.com, plander@... wrote:
>
> Mohamod at Padstow's good for blue slips.
>
> If you need one for your Subaru conversion see Steve Carter.
>
>
>
> > bencroft96 <bencroft96@...> wrote:
> >
> > On the subject of NSW RTA Engineers,can anyone in the group recomend one
> > in Sydney.One that likes modifed vehicles?There must be one.
> > You see so many buzz boxes around here that should have one, or are
> > these vehicles not legally registered!?
> >
> > --- In Syncro_T3_Australia@yahoogroups.com, plander@ wrote:
> > >
> > >
> > > The Vic rego papers have it registered
> > > > as a 1989 Volks Carvn, so I am hopeful when I get into the detail it
> > may make
> > > > a difference.
> > >
> > > Try another blue slip man or contact the RTA.
> > >
> > > Engineers certificates can only be supplied by NSW RTA authorised
> > engineers.
> > >
> > > Phill
> > >
>
33
Did you hear about the driver waiting at a red light when a fire engine with siren and lights came up behind him. He then checked that it was clear and went through the red light to allow the fire engine to proceed as required by law. Unfortunately it had a camera and he was booked. He took it to court and the judge said that he did the right thing. The RTA said that he went through a red light and took points from his licence, which he then lost. The court has no authority over the RTA.



> Hartmut Kiehn <hartis@live.com.au> wrote:
>
> Not only RTA , Phill, the same stands for CASA and also DoCS who are
> prosecutors and judges, all in one. Hart
>
>
>
> From: Syncro_T3_Australia@yahoogroups.com
> [mailto:Syncro_T3_Australia@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of
> plander@optusnet.com.au
> Sent: Monday, 10 May 2010 8:35 PM
> To: Syncro_T3_Australia@yahoogroups.com
> Subject: Re: RE: RE: [Syncro_T3_Australia] NSW Rip Off
>
>
>
>
>
>
> speak with
> > people who understand the relevant pieces of legislation.
> >
>
> Nobody understands NSW legislation. Ask two people and you'll get two
> answers.
>
> From a state where a court will let you off but the RTA finds you guilty
> and
> you cannot appeal.
34

Phill,

Sadly, this is painfully true.  All bureaucracies, when allowed to run without any oversight, eventually exist solely to justify their own existence by creating ever more lunatic regulations.  The driveway over-kill as quoted by you and Hartmut is a prime example. 

A similar situation exists in Europe , where lunatic asylum escapees are allowed to draft regulations at will.  I read one such regulation for rowing boats.  Rowing boats have been around for thousands of years in various forms but these hyper idiots started from scratch and produced a regulation that a nuclear powered aircraft carrier would be hard put to meet.

These are job creation schemes by bureaucrats for bureaucrats, paid for by us, the taxpayers.

The vehicle certification company that I am associated with had to obtain ISO 9000:2001certification in order to be certified by the Dept of Transport and regional Services.  The company consists of the owner (who had a PhD in automotive safety engineering) and a couple of tradesmen.  The ISO is designed for the 10/100/1000 size company (10 directors, 100 departments, 1000 employees per department).  Its application to a 3 to 5 man business is inexpressibly ludicrous.  If it was followed to the letter, everyone would spend all their time filling in forms; there would be no time left for actually working.

So, DOTARS specifies no ISO, no registration.  All of the legislation, regulations, amendments, interpretations, compliance certificates and a myriad other bits and pieces are on the DOTARS website – which is itself not ISO compliant!!!! 

It is littered with documents that are undated and unattributed.  It contains successive issues of regulations scattered all over the place but none are referenced and none are linked.  Very few people in DOTARS have ever been able to work their way through the mire to achieve enlightenment.  I take a personal savage pleasure in pointing out that something that has just been quoted by DOTARS as being current is in fact two issues out of date.  It gives me a kick but it doesn’t alter anything.

Les

From: Syncro_T3_Australia@yahoogroups.com [mailto: Syncro_T3_Australia@yahoogroups.com ] On Behalf Of plander@optusnet.com.au
Sent: 10 May 2010 20:35
To: Syncro_T3_Australia@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: RE: RE: [Syncro_T3_Australia] NSW Rip Off


speak with

> people who understand the relevant pieces of legislation.
>

Nobody understands NSW legislation. Ask two people and you'll get two answers.

From a state where a court will let you off but the RTA finds you guilty and you cannot appeal.

35
Les,
We the people have only ourselves to blame for choosing to effectively do nothing to counter it.
 
And we're up for a whole lot more to.
 
And people say albeit naievely .... Australia, this is the lucky country.
Ken
 
To: Syncro_T3_Australia@yahoogroups.com
From: leslieharris@optusnet.com.au
Date: Tue, 11 May 2010 09:19:56 +1000
Subject: RE: RE: RE: [Syncro_T3_Australia] NSW Rip Off

 

Phill,

Sadly, this is painfully true.  All bureaucracies, when allowed to run without any oversight, eventually exist solely to justify their own existence by creating ever more lunatic regulations.  The driveway over-kill as quoted by you and Hartmut is a prime example. 

A similar situation exists in Europe, where lunatic asylum escapees are allowed to draft regulations at will.  I read one such regulation for rowing boats.  Rowing boats have been around for thousands of years in various forms but these hyper idiots started from scratch and produced a regulation that a nuclear powered aircraft carrier would be hard put to meet.

These are job creation schemes by bureaucrats for bureaucrats, paid for by us, the taxpayers.

The vehicle certification company that I am associated with had to obtain ISO 9000:2001certificat ion in order to be certified by the Dept of Transport and regional Services.  The company consists of the owner (who had a PhD in automotive safety engineering) and a couple of tradesmen.  The ISO is designed for the 10/100/1000 size company (10 directors, 100 departments, 1000 employees per department).  Its application to a 3 to 5 man business is inexpressibly ludicrous.  If it was followed to the letter, everyone would spend all their time filling in forms; there would be no time left for actually working.

So, DOTARS specifies no ISO, no registration.  All of the legislation, regulations, amendments, interpretations, compliance certificates and a myriad other bits and pieces are on the DOTARS website – which is itself not ISO compliant!!! ! 

It is littered with documents that are undated and unattributed.  It contains successive issues of regulations scattered all over the place but none are referenced and none are linked.  Very few people in DOTARS have ever been able to work their way through the mire to achieve enlightenment.  I take a personal savage pleasure in pointing out that something that has just been quoted by DOTARS as being current is in fact two issues out of date.  It gives me a kick but it doesn’t alter anything.

Les

From: Syncro_T3_Australia @yahoogroups. com [mailto:Syncro_T3_Australia @yahoogroups. com] On Behalf Of plander@optusnet. com.au
Sent: 10 May 2010 20:35
To: Syncro_T3_Australia @yahoogroups. com
Subject: Re: RE: RE: [Syncro_T3_Australi a] NSW Rip Off


speak with

> people who understand the relevant pieces of legislation.
>

Nobody understands NSW legislation. Ask two people and you'll get two answers.

From a state where a court will let you off but the RTA finds you guilty and you cannot appeal.



Find it on Domain.com.au Need a new place to live?
36

Well, after a day of angst and high blood pressure the die is cast as Shakespeare said. NSW RTA will not accept that it was registered in Victoria as a camper. Unless there is an approved design on their books in NSW then the pop top must have an engineering certificate. This was after calls to VicRoads, NSW RTA and attempts by my Blue Slip man to get it through. I sat and listened in his office while he tried to reason with the RTA “experts”. I have the Syncro booked in on Thursday morning for this work and the Blue Slip. $650 for the Certificate and $51.30 for the Blue Slip plus whatever extra charges the RTA can dream up. Then its rego, and stamp duty to pay.

 

A valuable lesson here for any NSW resident wanting to buy a modified vehicle from interstate but I recall Ken said this issue has been raised before

 

Just hoping that there is nothing else that comes up during the process that I have to get fixed just to satisfy some petty bureaucrat.

 

Once I have finished dealing with the RTA I will start my political stirring.

 

Regards to all and see you at the Nationals, Peter

 

 

 

37

Peter,

What did the ex-owner of the conversion company have to say about it being an approved conversion or not?

Les

From: Syncro_T3_Australia@yahoogroups.com [mailto: Syncro_T3_Australia@yahoogroups.com ] On Behalf Of Peter Coe
Sent: 11 May 2010 20:52
To: Syncro_T3_Australia@yahoogroups.com
Subject: RE: [Syncro_T3_Australia] NSW Rip Off

Well, after a day of angst and high blood pressure the die is cast as Shakespeare said. NSW RTA will not accept that it was registered in Victoria as a camper. Unless there is an approved design on their books in NSW then the pop top must have an engineering certificate. This was after calls to VicRoads, NSW RTA and attempts by my Blue Slip man to get it through. I sat and listened in his office while he tried to reason with the RTA “experts”. I have the Syncro booked in on Thursday morning for this work and the Blue Slip. $650 for the Certificate and $51.30 for the Blue Slip plus whatever extra charges the RTA can dream up. Then its rego, and stamp duty to pay.

A valuable lesson here for any NSW resident wanting to buy a modified vehicle from interstate but I recall Ken said this issue has been raised before

Just hoping that there is nothing else that comes up during the process that I have to get fixed just to satisfy some petty bureaucrat.  

Once I have finished dealing with the RTA I will start my political stirring.

Regards to all and see you at the Nationals, Peter

 

 

 

38
Unless there is an approved design on their books in NSW
> then
> the pop top must have an engineering certificate.


Isn't it an approved NSW design?
39
Peter,
 
if you can find any trace history that the vehicle was registered in NSW initially, then you can avoid all this. That may not be possible though.
 
The previous Owner may also have an engineers certificate as most conversions come with this.
 
Bloody RTA - they suck the life out of us.
 
Cheers,
 
Scott
 
----- Original Message -----
From: Les Harris
Sent: Tuesday, May 11, 2010 9:19 PM
Subject: RE: [Syncro_T3_Australia] NSW Rip Off

 

Peter,

What did the ex-owner of the conversion company have to say about it being an approved conversion or not?

Les

From: Syncro_T3_Australia @yahoogroups. com [mailto: Syncro_T3_Australia @yahoogroups. com ] On Behalf Of Peter Coe
Sent: 11 May 2010 20:52
To: Syncro_T3_Australia @yahoogroups. com
Subject: RE: [Syncro_T3_Australi a] NSW Rip Off

Well, after a day of angst and high blood pressure the die is cast as Shakespeare said. NSW RTA will not accept that it was registered in Victoria as a camper. Unless there is an approved design on their books in NSW then the pop top must have an engineering certificate. This was after calls to VicRoads, NSW RTA and attempts by my Blue Slip man to get it through. I sat and listened in his office while he tried to reason with the RTA “experts”. I have the Syncro booked in on Thursday morning for this work and the Blue Slip. $650 for the Certificate and $51.30 for the Blue Slip plus whatever extra charges the RTA can dream up. Then its rego, and stamp duty to pay.

A valuable lesson here for any NSW resident wanting to buy a modified vehicle from interstate but I recall Ken said this issue has been raised before

Just hoping that there is nothing else that comes up during the process that I have to get fixed just to satisfy some petty bureaucrat.  

Once I have finished dealing with the RTA I will start my political stirring.

Regards to all and see you at the Nationals, Peter

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> The previous Owner may also have an engineers certificate as most
> conversions come with this.
>

Not in 1989. Just a sticker.