Oil pressure gauge

All,
Try again .... here's the correct modded pic attachments ,,,,,,,, sorry!
Ken
 
.

Ken,

This is brilliant work.   Your energy and application are outstanding.

The group is very fortunate to have you.

Les

 


From: Syncro_T3_Australia@yahoogroups.com [mailto: Syncro_T3_Australia@yahoogroups.com ] On Behalf Of Ken Garratt
Sent: 14 February 2011 01:08
To: Syncro _T3_Australia forum
Subject: RE: [Syncro_T3_Australia] RE: Gear selector

 

 

Graham, BenT, Theo and All,
 
Thanks for the timely pics Graham ... saved me a lot of work!
 
I've modded three of those pics and they are attached. Two pics simply show where the relevant bush needs to be positioned to be in any of 1st-2nd or G-Reverse or 3rd-4th gear alignments. The other pic shows where the gear selector is aligned (distance is outside of left bush to outside of right bush) when neutral is selected.

BenT, concerning your figures: ...
 
W1 = 72mm is good. The available distance (space) between the inner edges of the left and right gear selector metal guides fixed inside the gear selector housing is approx. 73mm. So that gives a 1mm greaseable slack space to permit the 72mm wide selector forks assembly to slide forwards and backwards, which is what happens when it is in 1st-2nd gear alignment.
 
W2 = 66mm is good. This establishes that the "working" outer faces of both bushes are each nominally 3mm thick (ignoring the taper issue for now). 
 
W3 = 59mm is good ... I think, it may though need clarification. This establishes the "non-working" inner faces of each bush. So by deduction and accepting that the thickness of the selector fingers are both 3mm thick (see my drawing), then deduct 2 x 3mm = 6mm from W2 (66mm), that leaves 60mm. So from that 60mm, deduct W3 (59mm). That leaves 1mm, which, when divided in two, establishes that the thickness of the moulded-on inner (non-working) sides of both bushes are each approx. 0.5mm thick. That's pretty thin!
Co-incidently, I happened to find hidden in a glob of grease on the floor of the gear selector housing a remnant of the LHS bush. Close inspection confirmed that the "working" side of the bush had indeed worn down in thickness over time, however the striking thing though was the fact that it was the thin-ness of the "non-working" side of the bush that had also worn and subsequently split/cracked, so causing the bush to fail and fall off. So clearly in my view, that thin side of the moulded bush is the "weak link in the chain".
 
H1 = 20mm and H2 = 15mm are both good.
 
H3 = 13mm/14mm and H4 = 15mm/16mm are partly good, though partly unexplainable. I accept that H4 must be taller than H3. That RHS bush ought to have a sloping (angled) top edge from inner face up to outer face as that slope (angle of 62 degrees) correlates with the sloping (angled) underside of the RHS gear selector metal guide for the G-Reverse gears alignment. See my modded pic where I've marked it ... the slope is clearly showing on the underside of that selector guide.
What I don't understand is the purpose for that RHS bush also having a top edge slope in the other (length) direction as well, as explained by BenT. It doesn't make any sense to me if for no other reason than it isn't needed ... serves no purpose nor advantage. So I would fabricate this bush with the firstmentioned slope and ignore the lattermentioned slope.
Bare in mind also that when deciding on how tall to fabricate H4, a taller height affords a more secure G-Reverse lockout, whereas a less tall height affords a less secure lockout, paticularly if the height gradually wears down over time.
 
BenT, the two other dimensions I listed/sought dimensions for were the L1 and L2 (length ) of each bush. If you could please measure the length of both bushes and advise. Thanks.
 
For fabrication purposes, it seems to me the RHS bush can only have a maximum length of 21mm. This is because, shaped into the leftside underside of the gear selector guide is a 21mm long slipway located midway along the length of that guide. This is the position to where the selector forks by default shifts to when you commence to shift out of either G or Reverse and it then automatically aligns with the slipway so as to exit left sideways when directed to and the gearshift then springs back up into either of the 1st-2nd or neutral alignment positions, depending how far you push the gearshift sideways. So I intend fabricating that RHS bush at 21mm long. I'll probably start with a 12mm thick bush and trim it down, as fine tuning proceeds.
 
I think that in fabricating this pair of bushes, the RHS bush is the most critical in terms of functionality and fine tuning as it needs to be able to engage each of 4 gears AND provide the G-Reverse lockout AND be shaped on its top edge to be able to also slip sideways out of the G-Reverse alignment .... correctly, (not too easily and not too much resistance). I also think how thick you make either/both faces of this bush has a major bearing upon your success or not at aligning/engaging each of the 4 gears. So understanding the functionality and alignments first and then dabbling in some trial and error as well is the order of the day on this bush when it comes to the fine tuning stage. I think the correct order then for fabricating these bushes is to fabricate & fit the RHS bush first. If one gets it to function correctly, then the fabrication of the other bush is self evident, less problematic, particularly as it only has to engage 3rd-4th gears. At the moment, I'm still in favour of fabricating the thickness of the LHS bush at 12mm slip fit into the available LHS guide slide space of 12mm. This offers the best opportunity to get rid of as much gearshift wobble, certainly for 3rd-4th gears. I'm also thinking I'll first trial a LHS bush length of at least 30mm, maybe even longer. I believe that what that will do will eliminate excess gearshift wobble (swimming) when its in the neutral position also. Nevertheless, if I find its too long and causes gear change difficulties between any gear and neutral, well I can simply trim its length bit by bit to get it working how I'd like it to.
 
Finally, concerning the perceived moulded "tapering" of the bush facings, this is because when the gearsfift nob is moved fully sideways left to right or right to left between 3rd-4th and 1st-2nd end stops, the gear selector fork at the bottom is correspondingly moving (in the opposite direction) sideways also, but is following an arc (circumference) segment that is approx. 95mm in length. So because its following a circular path, when the bush reaches either extremity stop, the face of the bush needs to have a tapered face to fully mate with the angled stop at each end. Now this is where the final fine tuning comes into play. If its felt that the thickness of either side face of the RHS bush is preventing any one or more of 1st-2nd and/or G-reverse gears from aligning/engaging smoothly, then tapering the culprit face of the bush is an option to trial (after physically re-checking the actual gear alignment postions!) .... this probably will make the difference in achieving proper engagement of those 4 gears.
 
All part of the fun, a learning curve and what else have we all got to do anyway?! ... haha.
 
Feel free to pick all this to bits .... I probably will still learn something more I haven't thought of yet. Cheers.
 
Ken
 

 
 


To: Syncro_T3_Australia@yahoogroups.com
From: g.adams2@bigpond.com
Date: Sat, 12 Feb 2011 22:49:14 +1100
Subject: Re: [Syncro_T3_Australia] RE: Gear selector

 

Ken,BenT and all

I happened to start overhauling my gear shift just as Ken raised this issue.

I tended to use the trial and error approach rather than Kens to be commended scientific approach but his and BentTs info has been invaluable.

For those that dont know what we are talking about .Here it is.

 

Pic 884  Very worn left side aluminium cast selector , rebuilt by alloy welding and then reprofiled. RHS is welded steel.

Pic 885  Position of same in selector box above spare wheel.

Pic 892  Reprofiling same

Pic 906  Fork refitted without new plastic bushes showing large clearances.

Pic 914  Bushes made from very hard dense plastic drilling left rough for better glueing.

Pic 920 LHS New bushes glued in Araldite.10mm wide giving minimal clearance. Sliding fit.

Pic 921 RHS again minimal clearance.Now covered in Lithium grease

 

Ken and I figure that overall bush widths vary from 12mm for Ken and Yurick to my 10mm to BenTs original equipment  6.5mm so maybe VW took the easy  sloppy approach whereas we are looking for perfection.My gear stick now has a sideways wobble of 5mm max on the knob in gear.

Have now replaced rear linkages and new bellows (Just Kampers) and both hydraulic cylinders.All have given 20 yrs service.

 

Please anyone how do you adjust the clutch master cylinder adjustment which is situated above the master cylinder behind the lower steering column behind the crumple bar.? A VW mech said to remove instrument panel,brake master cylinder and booster and go in from the top.He wants $250 for his trouble.

I tried and gave up at the booster.

 

Cheers Graham

 

 

----- Original Message -----

From: BenT Syncro

Sent: Saturday, February 12, 2011 12:28 PM

Subject: Re: [Syncro_T3_Australia] RE: Gear selector

 

 

No worries. I forgot to mention that it looked to me as if the the metal forks, besides not being centered in the bushes that they are not even straight in them. This is why I came to the conclusion that the tolerances are based on the finished assembly rather than a specific thickness on each surface as Yurik has pointed out. Or perhaps these specifications are not as  critical.

 

On another forum, a member of the group made his own intermediate bushes. That was on a 2wd. He attributed the disappearance of slop in his shifter to replacement if that piece.

 

 

BenT

Sent from my mobile device


On Feb 11, 2011, at 5:14 PM, Ken Garratt <unclekenz@hotmail.com> wrote:

BenT,
 
Thanks a lot for the figures, I've studied them to some degree but unfortunately I'm caught up here on the domestic front at the moment.
 
I will respond with a few comments and perhaps a few queries as soon as I can ok. Thanks.
 
Cheers.
 
Ken
 
 


To: Syncro_T3_Australia@yahoogroups.com
From: syncro@gmail.com
Date: Fri, 11 Feb 2011 00:32:18 -0800
Subject: Re: [Syncro_T3_Australia] RE: Gear selector

 

Here's the figures as promised. Just a caveat. I only have one spare NOS shiftrod. All these measurements were taken with a machinist's caliper. Measurements were checked twice for accuracy.

 

W3 = 59mm

W2 = 66mm

W1 = 72mm

H1 = 20mm

H2 = 15mm

H3 = 13mm short side inner edge

H3 = 14mm tall side inner edge

H4 = 15mm short side outer edge

H4 = 16mm tall side outer edge

 

There are two sets of H3 and two sets of H4 measurements because the right fork has an angled top. See attached pic.

 

The bushes also taper top to bottom (between the forks). The inside corners are then radiused. The taper is minimal but at 1.5mm difference on either side at 12mm from the top. Let's call that W4. That means W3 + 3mm = W4 or W4 = 62mm.

 

The bushes appear thicker on the outer edges. In other words, the metal forks are not exactly centered in bushes. I do not know if this is intentional. It would appear to me that the critical dimensions are that of the complete assembly. Meaning the bushes appear to have a secondary use as a way to correct slight variances in the space between the fork. I think of it as putting a stick in a Popsicle. Popsicle shape and size is the same regardless of where the wooden stick is embedded in it.

 

I hope this make sense to someone besides myself. I sometimes have to think in one language then translate into American English. Then adjust for OZ. There often unintended consequences.;-(

 

 

Regards,

 

BenT 


 

On Feb 13, 2011, at 6:07 AM, Ken Garratt <unclekenz@hotmail.com> wrote:
>
> BenT, the two other dimensions I listed/sought dimensions for were the L1 and L2 (length ) of each bush. If you could please measure the length of both bushes and advise. Thanks.


Am I assuming correctly that when you refer to 'length' you mean 'width' of you were viewing the bush from the side. At any rate, I will take measurements just as soon as I crawl out of bed. (Yes, Theo. I do sleep on occasion though mostly reluctantly.)


BenT
BenT,
Yes well seeing as I have already used W (width) and H (height) for the other two directions on the plan, I was left with only L (length for the 3rd direction). One can always argue the toss as to which is W, H and L in 3 dimensional shapes. So by deduction from your figures so far, we've established the height and width (thickness) of the bushes, I'm just wanting to have confirmed the remaining unknown of each bush ... their length. TIA.
Cheers.
Ken
 

To: Syncro_T3_Australia@yahoogroups.com
From: syncro@gmail.com
Date: Sun, 13 Feb 2011 12:09:59 -0800
Subject: Re: [Syncro_T3_Australia] RE: Gear selector

 
On Feb 13, 2011, at 6:07 AM, Ken Garratt <unclekenz@hotmail.com> wrote:
>
> BenT, the two other dimensions I listed/sought dimensions for were the L1 and L2 (length ) of each bush. If you could please measure the length of both bushes and advise. Thanks.

Am I assuming correctly that when you refer to 'length' you mean 'width' of you were viewing the bush from the side. At any rate, I will take measurements just as soon as I crawl out of bed. (Yes, Theo. I do sleep on occasion though mostly reluctantly.)

BenT
Ken,Graham and group,I have been following the end of this very interesting thread as I too have a recent sloppy gear change.
One question,what do you make these bushes out of?I know its been said,hard plastic,but what do you recomend.
I was thinking if I can get one thick enough, a choping block.(the same as what you can use for rear spring spacers).
What do you think?
I am to get under the bus this arvo,and have a closer look.
Graham, very helpful photos.
BenC

--- In Syncro_T3_Australia@yahoogroups.com, Ken Garratt <unclekenz@...> wrote:
>
>
> BenT,
> Yes well seeing as I have already used W (width) and H (height) for the other two directions on the plan, I was left with only L (length for the 3rd direction). One can always argue the toss as to which is W, H and L in 3 dimensional shapes. So by deduction from your figures so far, we've established the height and width (thickness) of the bushes, I'm just wanting to have confirmed the remaining unknown of each bush ... their length. TIA.
> Cheers.
> Ken
>
>
>
> To: Syncro_T3_Australia@yahoogroups.com
> From: syncro@...
> Date: Sun, 13 Feb 2011 12:09:59 -0800
> Subject: Re: [Syncro_T3_Australia] RE: Gear selector
>
>
>
>
>
>
> On Feb 13, 2011, at 6:07 AM, Ken Garratt <unclekenz@...> wrote:
> >
> > BenT, the two other dimensions I listed/sought dimensions for were the L1 and L2 (length ) of each bush. If you could please measure the length of both bushes and advise. Thanks.
>
> Am I assuming correctly that when you refer to 'length' you mean 'width' of you were viewing the bush from the side. At any rate, I will take measurements just as soon as I crawl out of bed. (Yes, Theo. I do sleep on occasion though mostly reluctantly.)
>
> BenT
>
Ken,
'L' is the same 17mm on either side.
BenT

On Sun, Feb 13, 2011 at 1:57 PM, Ken Garratt <unclekenz@hotmail.com> wrote:


BenT,
Yes well seeing as I have already used W (width) and H (height) for the other two directions on the plan, I was left with only L (length for the 3rd direction). One can always argue the toss as to which is W, H and L in 3 dimensional shapes. So by deduction from your figures so far, we've established the height and width (thickness) of the bushes, I'm just wanting to have confirmed the remaining unknown of each bush ... their length. TIA. Date: Sun, 13 Feb 2011 12:09:59 -0800

Subject: Re: [Syncro_T3_Australia] RE: Gear selector

On Feb 13, 2011, at 6:07 AM, Ken Garratt <unclekenz@hotmail.com> wrote:
>
> BenT, the two other dimensions I listed/sought dimensions for were the L1 and L2 (length ) of each bush. If you could please measure the length of both bushes and advise. Thanks.

Am I assuming correctly that when you refer to 'length' you mean 'width' of you were viewing the bush from the side. At any rate, I will take measurements just as soon as I crawl out of bed. (Yes, Theo. I do sleep on occasion though mostly reluctantly.)

BenT





--
BenT
Ben and ALL,
 
Two materials presently come to mind for these bushes, the nylon type as used in kitchen cutting boards or else the kitchen benchtop material called Corian, made by Dupont.
 
I already have sourced the Corian in 12mm thickness (ideal thickness for me to try) but so far I've been unable to source 12mm thick nylon type kitchen cutting board. It once was readily available but these days they seem to have reduced the thickness of nylon cutting boards down to say 8mm and 6mm. I'm not interested in laminating them. Anyone out there know where to source 12mm thick nylon cutting board type material, please let us know. TIA.
 
Cheers.
 
Ken
 

To: Syncro_T3_Australia@yahoogroups.com
From: bencroft96@yahoo.com
Date: Sun, 13 Feb 2011 22:47:13 +0000
Subject: [Syncro_T3_Australia] Re: Gear selector

 
Ken,Graham and group,I have been following the end of this very interesting thread as I too have a recent sloppy gear change.
One question,what do you make these bushes out of?I know its been said,hard plastic,but what do you recomend.
I was thinking if I can get one thick enough, a choping block.(the same as what you can use for rear spring spacers).
What do you think?
I am to get under the bus this arvo,and have a closer look.
Graham, very helpful photos.
BenC

--- In Syncro_T3_Australia@yahoogroups.com, Ken Garratt <unclekenz@...> wrote:
>
>
> BenT,
> Yes well seeing as I have already used W (width) and H (height) for the other two directions on the plan, I was left with only L (length for the 3rd direction). One can always argue the toss as to which is W, H and L in 3 dimensional shapes. So by deduction from your figures so far, we've established the height and width (thickness) of the bushes, I'm just wanting to have confirmed the remaining unknown of each bush ... their length. TIA.
> Cheers.
> Ken
>
>
>
> To: Syncro_T3_Australia@yahoogroups.com
> From: syncro@...
> Date: Sun, 13 Feb 2011 12:09:59 -0800
> Subject: Re: [Syncro_T3_Australia] RE: Gear selector
>
>
>
>
>
>
> On Feb 13, 2011, at 6:07 AM, Ken Garratt <unclekenz@...> wrote:
> >
> > BenT, the two other dimensions I listed/sought dimensions for were the L1 and L2 (length ) of each bush. If you could please measure the length of both bushes and advise. Thanks.
>
> Am I assuming correctly that when you refer to 'length' you mean 'width' of you were viewing the bush from the side. At any rate, I will take measurements just as soon as I crawl out of bed. (Yes, Theo. I do sleep on occasion though mostly reluctantly.)
>
> BenT
>


Thanks BenT for that.
 
So when in new condition, the LHS 17mm length bush slips through a 40mm gap into the 3rd-4th gear alignment. Also the RHS 17mm length bush slips sideways out of G-Reverse through a 21mm slipway. Plenty of engineered slack space for both eh. Obviously the slack space gets worse as the bushes wear.
 
Cheers.
Ken
 

To: Syncro_T3_Australia@yahoogroups.com
From: syncro@gmail.com
Date: Sun, 13 Feb 2011 16:10:26 -0800
Subject: Re: [Syncro_T3_Australia] RE: Gear selector

 
Ken,
 
'L' is the same 17mm on either side.
 
 
BenT

On Sun, Feb 13, 2011 at 1:57 PM, Ken Garratt <unclekenz@hotmail.com> wrote:


BenT,
Yes well seeing as I have already used W (width) and H (height) for the other two directions on the plan, I was left with only L (length for the 3rd direction). One can always argue the toss as to which is W, H and L in 3 dimensional shapes. So by deduction from your figures so far, we've established the height and width (thickness) of the bushes, I'm just wanting to have confirmed the remaining unknown of each bush ... their length. TIA. Date: Sun, 13 Feb 2011 12:09:59 -0800

Subject: Re: [Syncro_T3_Australia] RE: Gear selector

 
On Feb 13, 2011, at 6:07 AM, Ken Garratt <unclekenz@hotmail.com> wrote:
>
> BenT, the two other dimensions I listed/sought dimensions for were the L1 and L2 (length ) of each bush. If you could please measure the length of both bushes and advise. Thanks.

Am I assuming correctly that when you refer to 'length' you mean 'width' of you were viewing the bush from the side. At any rate, I will take measurements just as soon as I crawl out of bed. (Yes, Theo. I do sleep on occasion though mostly reluctantly.)

BenT





--
BenT


Ken, et, al.

My vote is for Corian. I've seen the local autocross racers use these to keep their cars from scrapping all the way to the ground. Wears like metal and cuts like hardwood. I'm betting they wear better than nylon cutting/chopping board.

This still begs the question on how well these can be secured without the L-shaped portion normally molded in the original. Besides the hole in the metal, how do you propose to hold the bushes from popping off vertically? 

Interesting "hack" as a temporary repair. Saw some thread in the US where some guy used epoxy to affix pieces of hose over the forks. He complained that the wear characteristic were less than acceptable regardless of how much grease he applied. Ironically, said grease may have been dissolving the hose depending on hose material. Still a good hack if you are stuck in the middle of the outback without a shiftrod to paddle yourself out.

Once upon a time, I used electrical tape form a tip out of epoxy for an umbrella. Thirty years later and frequent use of said umbrella tip on concrete sidewalks and it's still relatively serviceable. Wondering if one could do something similar to the shift forks. You can even work the epoxy once it's hardened into the desired shape.


BenT

On Feb 13, 2011, at 4:12 PM, Ken Garratt <unclekenz@hotmail.com> wrote:

Ben and ALL,
 
Two materials presently come to mind for these bushes, the nylon type as used in kitchen cutting boards or else the kitchen benchtop material called Corian, made by Dupont.
 
I already have sourced the Corian in 12mm thickness (ideal thickness for me to try) but so far I've been unable to source 12mm thick nylon type kitchen cutting board. It once was readily available but these days they seem to have reduced the thickness of nylon cutting boards down to say 8mm and 6mm. I'm not interested in laminating them. Anyone out there know where to source 12mm thick nylon cutting board type material, please let us know. TIA.
 
Cheers.
 
Ken
 

To: Syncro_T3_Australia@yahoogroups.com
From: bencroft96@yahoo.com
Date: Sun, 13 Feb 2011 22:47:13 +0000
Subject: [Syncro_T3_Australia] Re: Gear selector

 
Ken,Graham and group,I have been following the end of this very interesting thread as I too have a recent sloppy gear change.
One question,what do you make these bushes out of?I know its been said,hard plastic,but what do you recomend.
I was thinking if I can get one thick enough, a choping block.(the same as what you can use for rear spring spacers).
What do you think?
I am to get under the bus this arvo,and have a closer look.
Graham, very helpful photos.
BenC

--- In Syncro_T3_Australia@yahoogroups.com, Ken Garratt <unclekenz@...> wrote:
>
>
> BenT,
> Yes well seeing as I have already used W (width) and H (height) for the other two directions on the plan, I was left with only L (length for the 3rd direction). One can always argue the toss as to which is W, H and L in 3 dimensional shapes. So by deduction from your figures so far, we've established the height and width (thickness) of the bushes, I'm just wanting to have confirmed the remaining unknown of each bush ... their length. TIA.
> Cheers.
> Ken
>
>
>
> To: Syncro_T3_Australia@yahoogroups.com
> From: syncro@...
> Date: Sun, 13 Feb 2011 12:09:59 -0800
> Subject: Re: [Syncro_T3_Australia] RE: Gear selector
>
>
>
>
>
>
> On Feb 13, 2011, at 6:07 AM, Ken Garratt <unclekenz@...> wrote:
> >
> > BenT, the two other dimensions I listed/sought dimensions for were the L1 and L2 (length ) of each bush. If you could please measure the length of both bushes and advise. Thanks.
>
> Am I assuming correctly that when you refer to 'length' you mean 'width' of you were viewing the bush from the side. At any rate, I will take measurements just as soon as I crawl out of bed. (Yes, Theo. I do sleep on occasion though mostly reluctantly.)
>
> BenT
>


Here's a shot of the shiftrod looking straight on. This isn't mine but it's identical to the one I have here.

Note the bushes go all the way around the bend so to speak.
To the R&D team
 
Pleased that my photos have been of some help,taken with point and shoot Panasonic Lumix ZS3 on automatic,the only way I know how.
 
I have been held up with further R&D by my out of adjustment clutch.
I now have the trick and yes it is adjustable.
Remove two bolts securing clutch master cylinder.
Lower same as far as possible behind steering column to floor.Dont disconnect the hydraulic pipes, they are  flexible.
Hold clutch pedal down to floor with length of timber to seat base,this will in turn lower the push rod far enough to be seen and get a ring spanner over the rod and on to the adjustment lock nut. I needed 5mm adjustment,premeasured and now have a full clutch operation.  1/2 hour with practice.
 
Have just taken the beast out for a run with conflicting results.One minute great tight change the next time wont go in.
Obviously more trial and error is required. It basicaly feels that my bushes are a shade to tight at 10 mm wide and may need the corners chamfering.
Will clean of all that lovely black lithium grease and try for some more photos in different gears.
 
I have experimented with fixing the bushes on by heating the metal forks (similar scrap with drilled hole) but difficult to get straight and the bush tends to loose shape.
The black plastic that I am using was original a U shaped spacer used in the building trade to pack out windows, it happened to be 10mm thick with hard smooth finish. Available Bunnings or window place.
 
I can understand why VW make their bushes narrower...........1 size fits all. The clearances they are using in that selector box are pretty agricultural.
 
Graham
 
 
 
----- Original Message -----
Sent: Monday, February 14, 2011 11:38 AM
Subject: Re: [Syncro_T3_Australia] RE: Gear selector

 

Here's a shot of the shiftrod looking straight on. This isn't mine but it's identical to the one I have here.

Note the bushes go all the way around the bend so to speak.






BenT
>
Hi Ben, i sent you my hotmail address in a previous mail so we can sort out payment for the GoWesty springs etc. Maybe you missed it? If so just let me know and I'll send again.

Thanks

Nick

--- On Mon, 14/2/11, BenT Syncro <syncro@gmail.com> wrote:

From: BenT Syncro <syncro@gmail.com>
Subject: Re: [Syncro_T3_Australia] Re: Gear selector
To: "Syncro_T3_Australia@yahoogroups.com" <Syncro_T3_Australia@yahoogroups.com>
Received: Monday, 14 February, 2011, 12:29 AM

 

Ken, et, al.

My vote is for Corian. I've seen the local autocross racers use these to keep their cars from scrapping all the way to the ground. Wears like metal and cuts like hardwood. I'm betting they wear better than nylon cutting/chopping board.

This still begs the question on how well these can be secured without the L-shaped portion normally molded in the original. Besides the hole in the metal, how do you propose to hold the bushes from popping off vertically? 

Interesting "hack" as a temporary repair. Saw some thread in the US where some guy used epoxy to affix pieces of hose over the forks. He complained that the wear characteristic were less than acceptable regardless of how much grease he applied. Ironically, said grease may have been dissolving the hose depending on hose material. Still a good hack if you are stuck in the middle of the outback without a shiftrod to paddle yourself out.

Once upon a time, I used electrical tape form a tip out of epoxy for an umbrella. Thirty years later and frequent use of said umbrella tip on concrete sidewalks and it's still relatively serviceable. Wondering if one could do something similar to the shift forks. You can even work the epoxy once it's hardened into the desired shape.


BenT

On Feb 13, 2011, at 4:12 PM, Ken Garratt <unclekenz@hotmail.com> wrote:

Ben and ALL,
 
Two materials presently come to mind for these bushes, the nylon type as used in kitchen cutting boards or else the kitchen benchtop material called Corian, made by Dupont.
 
I already have sourced the Corian in 12mm thickness (ideal thickness for me to try) but so far I've been unable to source 12mm thick nylon type kitchen cutting board. It once was readily available but these days they seem to have reduced the thickness of nylon cutting boards down to say 8mm and 6mm. I'm not interested in laminating them. Anyone out there know where to source 12mm thick nylon cutting board type material, please let us know. TIA.
 
Cheers.
 
Ken
 

To: Syncro_T3_Australia@yahoogroups.com
From: bencroft96@yahoo.com
Date: Sun, 13 Feb 2011 22:47:13 +0000
Subject: [Syncro_T3_Australia] Re: Gear selector

 
Ken,Graham and group,I have been following the end of this very interesting thread as I too have a recent sloppy gear change.
One question,what do you make these bushes out of?I know its been said,hard plastic,but what do you recomend.
I was thinking if I can get one thick enough, a choping block.(the same as what you can use for rear spring spacers).
What do you think?
I am to get under the bus this arvo,and have a closer look.
Graham, very helpful photos.
BenC

--- In Syncro_T3_Australia@yahoogroups.com, Ken Garratt <unclekenz@...> wrote:
>
>
> BenT,
> Yes well seeing as I have already used W (width) and H (height) for the other two directions on the plan, I was left with only L (length for the 3rd direction). One can always argue the toss as to which is W, H and L in 3 dimensional shapes. So by deduction from your figures so far, we've established the height and width (thickness) of the bushes, I'm just wanting to have confirmed the remaining unknown of each bush ... their length. TIA.
> Cheers.
> Ken
>
>
>
> To: Syncro_T3_Australia@yahoogroups.com
> From: syncro@...
> Date: Sun, 13 Feb 2011 12:09:59 -0800
> Subject: Re: [Syncro_T3_Australia] RE: Gear selector
>
>
>
>
>
>
> On Feb 13, 2011, at 6:07 AM, Ken Garratt <unclekenz@...> wrote:
> >
> > BenT, the two other dimensions I listed/sought dimensions for were the L1 and L2 (length ) of each bush. If you could please measure the length of both bushes and advise. Thanks.
>
> Am I assuming correctly that when you refer to 'length' you mean 'width' of you were viewing the bush from the side. At any rate, I will take measurements just as soon as I crawl out of bed. (Yes, Theo. I do sleep on occasion though mostly reluctantly.)
>
> BenT
>



 
BenT and All,
Wow that is a nice clear pic and when enlarged, tells us a lot about what the bushes are supposed to look like for the next step ... fabrication a la modified. Thanks for that pic.
 
You can all stop looking. I now have here as well a 12.7mm thick nylon cutting board, so I can now mess about to my hearts delight with corian and nylon bush fabrication.
 
BenT I'm presently inclined to agree with you, this corian looks the bees knees. It's as tough as. I tried hitting the edge of it with a hammer to see if it would break/chip a piece off. Forget it .... didn't look like shattering. It drills, cuts and sands accurately and smoothly, yet its really tough stuff. As a slide fit running in CV grease, I reckon this will last forever, just have to figure out what to use to adhere it to the metal fingers.
When I asked about adhesives, the people who supplied me the corian offcut said that Dupont created corian AND superglue. He said these two products are compatible. But I'm happy to experiment with alternative adhesives anyway.

Re: the bushes falling off ... well I'm still running my prototype bushes, I fabricated them from well and truly matured hardwood. They're not even a tight fit on the fingers, I can simply lift them off whenever I choose to. I need to be able to do that while I'm still in this experimental stage. Anyhow, I drive around, they work really well, smooth gear change and very minimal gearshift wobble. Couldn't be happier as temp bushes AND they haven't fallen off!! But for a long term solution, sure, I guess in due course, that'll be figured out as well.
 
Still, any bright ideas re adhesives, fastening etc for the bushes, please feel free to contribute, we al might learn something. TIA.
Cheers.
 
Ken 

To: Syncro_T3_Australia@yahoogroups.com
From: syncro@gmail.com
Date: Sun, 13 Feb 2011 16:38:18 -0800
Subject: Re: [Syncro_T3_Australia] RE: Gear selector

 
Here's a shot of the shiftrod looking straight on. This isn't mine but it's identical to the one I have here.

Note the bushes go all the way around the bend so to speak.



BenT >
BenT and ALL,
 
Forgot to mention this previously.
 
Anyone in Australia wanting a free plus free delivery 100mm x 100mm x 12mm thick sample piece of Corian to make a heap of bushes, simply select the colour of choice of any of the 12mm sample pieces shown, fill out the order form and send it off ... online. Give it a few days and you will find it nicely packaged in your letterbox. Mine arrived today.
 
Thanks Dupont.

Goto: http://www.casf.com.au/colors.aspx
 
Too easy.
 
Cheers.
 
Ken 

To: syncro_t3_australia@yahoogroups.com
From: unclekenz@hotmail.com
Date: Mon, 14 Feb 2011 18:27:50 +1100
Subject: RE: [Syncro_T3_Australia] RE: Gear selector

 
BenT and All,
Wow that is a nice clear pic and when enlarged, tells us a lot about what the bushes are supposed to look like for the next step ... fabrication a la modified. Thanks for that pic.
 
You can all stop looking. I now have here as well a 12.7mm thick nylon cutting board, so I can now mess about to my hearts delight with corian and nylon bush fabrication.
 
BenT I'm presently inclined to agree with you, this corian looks the bees knees. It's as tough as. I tried hitting the edge of it with a hammer to see if it would break/chip a piece off. Forget it .... didn't look like shattering. It drills, cuts and sands accurately and smoothly, yet its really tough stuff. As a slide fit running in CV grease, I reckon this will last forever, just have to figure out what to use to adhere it to the metal fingers.
When I asked about adhesives, the people who supplied me the corian offcut said that Dupont created corian AND superglue. He said these two products are compatible. But I'm happy to experiment with alternative adhesives anyway.

Re: the bushes falling off ... well I'm still running my prototype bushes, I fabricated them from well and truly matured hardwood. They're not even a tight fit on the fingers, I can simply lift them off whenever I choose to. I need to be able to do that while I'm still in this experimental stage. Anyhow, I drive around, they work really well, smooth gear change and very minimal gearshift wobble. Couldn't be happier as temp bushes AND they haven't fallen off!! But for a long term solution, sure, I guess in due course, that'll be figured out as well.
 
Still, any bright ideas re adhesives, fastening etc for the bushes, please feel free to contribute, we al might learn something. TIA.
Cheers.
 
Ken 

To: Syncro_T3_Australia@yahoogroups.com
From: syncro@gmail.com
Date: Sun, 13 Feb 2011 16:38:18 -0800
Subject: Re: [Syncro_T3_Australia] RE: Gear selector

 
Here's a shot of the shiftrod looking straight on. This isn't mine but it's identical to the one I have here.

Note the bushes go all the way around the bend so to speak.



BenT >


Just had a thought. Corian might be so hard that wear occurs on metal parts instead. At least nylon will wear before the mating surface is destroyed.

As for glue, use whatever the Corian suppliers use. They add bullnose returns and built in sinks in the material. Had done in many kitchen and bath remodels. Never had any problems with delimitating even with some sturdy fellow standing in the section that was bonded.


BenT


On Feb 13, 2011, at 11:27 PM, Ken Garratt <unclekenz@hotmail.com> wrote:

BenT and All,
Wow that is a nice clear pic and when enlarged, tells us a lot about what the bushes are supposed to look like for the next step ... fabrication a la modified. Thanks for that pic.
 
You can all stop looking. I now have here as well a 12.7mm thick nylon cutting board, so I can now mess about to my hearts delight with corian and nylon bush fabrication.
 
BenT I'm presently inclined to agree with you, this corian looks the bees knees. It's as tough as. I tried hitting the edge of it with a hammer to see if it would break/chip a piece off. Forget it .... didn't look like shattering. It drills, cuts and sands accurately and smoothly, yet its really tough stuff. As a slide fit running in CV grease, I reckon this will last forever, just have to figure out what to use to adhere it to the metal fingers.
When I asked about adhesives, the people who supplied me the corian offcut said that Dupont created corian AND superglue. He said these two products are compatible. But I'm happy to experiment with alternative adhesives anyway.

Re: the bushes falling off ... well I'm still running my prototype bushes, I fabricated them from well and truly matured hardwood. They're not even a tight fit on the fingers, I can simply lift them off whenever I choose to. I need to be able to do that while I'm still in this experimental stage. Anyhow, I drive around, they work really well, smooth gear change and very minimal gearshift wobble. Couldn't be happier as temp bushes AND they haven't fallen off!! But for a long term solution, sure, I guess in due course, that'll be figured out as well.
 
Still, any bright ideas re adhesives, fastening etc for the bushes, please feel free to contribute, we al might learn something. TIA.
Cheers.
 
Ken 

To: Syncro_T3_Australia@yahoogroups.com
From: syncro@gmail.com
Date: Sun, 13 Feb 2011 16:38:18 -0800
Subject: Re: [Syncro_T3_Australia] RE: Gear selector

 
Here's a shot of the shiftrod looking straight on. This isn't mine but it's identical to the one I have here.

Note the bushes go all the way around the bend so to speak.



BenT >
Thanks for that Ken !
 
What colour did you choose, suppose that has an impact on the slipperiness ? I chose SILK. No not sylk, that won't work.
 
When yours are done, can I have your hardwood slippers please ??
 
Hartmut

 

To: syncro_t3_australia@yahoogroups.com
From: unclekenz@hotmail.com
Date: Mon, 14 Feb 2011 18:40:52 +1100
Subject: RE: [Syncro_T3_Australia] RE: Gear selector

 
BenT and ALL,
 
Forgot to mention this previously.
 
Anyone in Australia wanting a free plus free delivery 100mm x 100mm x 12mm thick sample piece of Corian to make a heap of bushes, simply select the colour of choice of any of the 12mm sample pieces shown, fill out the order form and send it off ... online. Give it a few days and you will find it nicely packaged in your letterbox. Mine arrived today.
 
Thanks Dupont.

Goto: http://www.casf.com.au/colors.aspx
 
Too easy.
 
Cheers.
 
Ken 

To: syncro_t3_australia@yahoogroups.com
From: unclekenz@hotmail.com
Date: Mon, 14 Feb 2011 18:27:50 +1100
Subject: RE: [Syncro_T3_Australia] RE: Gear selector

 
BenT and All,
Wow that is a nice clear pic and when enlarged, tells us a lot about what the bushes are supposed to look like for the next step ... fabrication a la modified. Thanks for that pic.
 
You can all stop looking. I now have here as well a 12.7mm thick nylon cutting board, so I can now mess about to my hearts delight with corian and nylon bush fabrication.
 
BenT I'm presently inclined to agree with you, this corian looks the bees knees. It's as tough as. I tried hitting the edge of it with a hammer to see if it would break/chip a piece off. Forget it .... didn't look like shattering. It drills, cuts and sands accurately and smoothly, yet its really tough stuff. As a slide fit running in CV grease, I reckon this will last forever, just have to figure out what to use to adhere it to the metal fingers.
When I asked about adhesives, the people who supplied me the corian offcut said that Dupont created corian AND superglue. He said these two products are compatible. But I'm happy to experiment with alternative adhesives anyway.

Re: the bushes falling off ... well I'm still running my prototype bushes, I fabricated them from well and truly matured hardwood. They're not even a tight fit on the fingers, I can simply lift them off whenever I choose to. I need to be able to do that while I'm still in this experimental stage. Anyhow, I drive around, they work really well, smooth gear change and very minimal gearshift wobble. Couldn't be happier as temp bushes AND they haven't fallen off!! But for a long term solution, sure, I guess in due course, that'll be figured out as well.
 
Still, any bright ideas re adhesives, fastening etc for the bushes, please feel free to contribute, we al might learn something. TIA.
Cheers.
 
Ken 

To: Syncro_T3_Australia@yahoogroups.com
From: syncro@gmail.com
Date: Sun, 13 Feb 2011 16:38:18 -0800
Subject: Re: [Syncro_T3_Australia] RE: Gear selector

 
Here's a shot of the shiftrod looking straight on. This isn't mine but it's identical to the one I have here.

Note the bushes go all the way around the bend so to speak.



BenT >




Hartis,

I admit Aussie English can be at times challenging for me. This appears to be one of those moments as I am having difficulty determining what sort of pigment can fully express the colour "SILK". 

;-)

BenT

On Feb 14, 2011, at 12:35 AM, Hartmut Kiehn <hartis@live.com.au> wrote:

Thanks for that Ken !
 
What colour did you choose, suppose that has an impact on the slipperiness ? I chose SILK. No not sylk, that won't work.
 
When yours are done, can I have your hardwood slippers please ??
 
Hartmut

 

To: syncro_t3_australia@yahoogroups.com
From: unclekenz@hotmail.com
Date: Mon, 14 Feb 2011 18:40:52 +1100
Subject: RE: [Syncro_T3_Australia] RE: Gear selector

 
BenT and ALL,
 
Forgot to mention this previously.
 
Anyone in Australia wanting a free plus free delivery 100mm x 100mm x 12mm thick sample piece of Corian to make a heap of bushes, simply select the colour of choice of any of the 12mm sample pieces shown, fill out the order form and send it off ... online. Give it a few days and you will find it nicely packaged in your letterbox. Mine arrived today.
 
Thanks Dupont.

Goto: http://www.casf.com.au/colors.aspx
 
Too easy.
 
Cheers.
 
Ken 

To: syncro_t3_australia@yahoogroups.com
From: unclekenz@hotmail.com
Date: Mon, 14 Feb 2011 18:27:50 +1100
Subject: RE: [Syncro_T3_Australia] RE: Gear selector

 
BenT and All,
Wow that is a nice clear pic and when enlarged, tells us a lot about what the bushes are supposed to look like for the next step ... fabrication a la modified. Thanks for that pic.
 
You can all stop looking. I now have here as well a 12.7mm thick nylon cutting board, so I can now mess about to my hearts delight with corian and nylon bush fabrication.
 
BenT I'm presently inclined to agree with you, this corian looks the bees knees. It's as tough as. I tried hitting the edge of it with a hammer to see if it would break/chip a piece off. Forget it .... didn't look like shattering. It drills, cuts and sands accurately and smoothly, yet its really tough stuff. As a slide fit running in CV grease, I reckon this will last forever, just have to figure out what to use to adhere it to the metal fingers.
When I asked about adhesives, the people who supplied me the corian offcut said that Dupont created corian AND superglue. He said these two products are compatible. But I'm happy to experiment with alternative adhesives anyway.

Re: the bushes falling off ... well I'm still running my prototype bushes, I fabricated them from well and truly matured hardwood. They're not even a tight fit on the fingers, I can simply lift them off whenever I choose to. I need to be able to do that while I'm still in this experimental stage. Anyhow, I drive around, they work really well, smooth gear change and very minimal gearshift wobble. Couldn't be happier as temp bushes AND they haven't fallen off!! But for a long term solution, sure, I guess in due course, that'll be figured out as well.
 
Still, any bright ideas re adhesives, fastening etc for the bushes, please feel free to contribute, we al might learn something. TIA.
Cheers.
 
Ken 

To: Syncro_T3_Australia@yahoogroups.com
From: syncro@gmail.com
Date: Sun, 13 Feb 2011 16:38:18 -0800
Subject: Re: [Syncro_T3_Australia] RE: Gear selector

 
Here's a shot of the shiftrod looking straight on. This isn't mine but it's identical to the one I have here.

Note the bushes go all the way around the bend so to speak.



BenT >




BenT, life is a steep learning curve for all of us, especially for us Syncronauts. Colour Silk you can look up in the Corian web, Sylk is an Aussi lubricant you buy in your Nature  Shop,
 
it's made from Kiwi Vine cuttings and VERY slippery, worth a try on those fork things, otherwise reserved for intimate moments . Happy ??    Hartis
 

 

To: Syncro_T3_Australia@yahoogroups.com
From: syncro@gmail.com
Date: Mon, 14 Feb 2011 00:44:55 -0800
Subject: Re: [Syncro_T3_Australia] RE: Gear selector

 
Hartis,

I admit Aussie English can be at times challenging for me. This appears to be one of those moments as I am having difficulty determining what sort of pigment can fully express the colour "SILK". 

;-)

BenT

On Feb 14, 2011, at 12:35 AM, Hartmut Kiehn <hartis@live.com.au> wrote:

Thanks for that Ken !
 
What colour did you choose, suppose that has an impact on the slipperiness ? I chose SILK. No not sylk, that won't work.
 
When yours are done, can I have your hardwood slippers please ??
 
Hartmut

 

To: syncro_t3_australia@yahoogroups.com
From: unclekenz@hotmail.com
Date: Mon, 14 Feb 2011 18:40:52 +1100
Subject: RE: [Syncro_T3_Australia] RE: Gear selector

 
BenT and ALL,
 
Forgot to mention this previously.
 
Anyone in Australia wanting a free plus free delivery 100mm x 100mm x 12mm thick sample piece of Corian to make a heap of bushes, simply select the colour of choice of any of the 12mm sample pieces shown, fill out the order form and send it off ... online. Give it a few days and you will find it nicely packaged in your letterbox. Mine arrived today.
 
Thanks Dupont.

Goto: http://www.casf.com.au/colors.aspx
 
Too easy.
 
Cheers.
 
Ken 

To: syncro_t3_australia@yahoogroups.com
From: unclekenz@hotmail.com
Date: Mon, 14 Feb 2011 18:27:50 +1100
Subject: RE: [Syncro_T3_Australia] RE: Gear selector

 
BenT and All,
Wow that is a nice clear pic and when enlarged, tells us a lot about what the bushes are supposed to look like for the next step ... fabrication a la modified. Thanks for that pic.
 
You can all stop looking. I now have here as well a 12.7mm thick nylon cutting board, so I can now mess about to my hearts delight with corian and nylon bush fabrication.
 
BenT I'm presently inclined to agree with you, this corian looks the bees knees. It's as tough as. I tried hitting the edge of it with a hammer to see if it would break/chip a piece off. Forget it .... didn't look like shattering. It drills, cuts and sands accurately and smoothly, yet its really tough stuff. As a slide fit running in CV grease, I reckon this will last forever, just have to figure out what to use to adhere it to the metal fingers.
When I asked about adhesives, the people who supplied me the corian offcut said that Dupont created corian AND superglue. He said these two products are compatible. But I'm happy to experiment with alternative adhesives anyway.

Re: the bushes falling off ... well I'm still running my prototype bushes, I fabricated them from well and truly matured hardwood. They're not even a tight fit on the fingers, I can simply lift them off whenever I choose to. I need to be able to do that while I'm still in this experimental stage. Anyhow, I drive around, they work really well, smooth gear change and very minimal gearshift wobble. Couldn't be happier as temp bushes AND they haven't fallen off!! But for a long term solution, sure, I guess in due course, that'll be figured out as well.
 
Still, any bright ideas re adhesives, fastening etc for the bushes, please feel free to contribute, we al might learn something. TIA.
Cheers.
 
Ken 

To: Syncro_T3_Australia@yahoogroups.com
From: syncro@gmail.com
Date: Sun, 13 Feb 2011 16:38:18 -0800
Subject: Re: [Syncro_T3_Australia] RE: Gear selector

 
Here's a shot of the shiftrod looking straight on. This isn't mine but it's identical to the one I have here.

Note the bushes go all the way around the bend so to speak.



BenT >






Hartmut,
Well I'm pretty damn particular when it comes to fitment decor colour selection for my offwhite syncro. Be pretty uncool mismatching duco etc and selector bush colours eh. So I selected Cirrus White. Should of course add some glam for my next Concourse D'elegance show entry!

Heh my brain just decided to work at last ... all too briefly! Why not use JB Weld as the adhesive?
Cheers.
Ken



-----Original Message-----
From: Hartmut Kiehn <hartis@live.com.au>
Sent: Monday, 14 February 2011 7:35 PM
To: syncro_t3_australia@yahoogroups.com
Subject: RE: [Syncro_T3_Australia] RE: Gear selector



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BenT,
Having been in the building industry then no, in my view and experience, the corian would still be the most likely wear material on the gear selector and its locator guides.
Ken



-----Original Message-----
From: BenT Syncro <syncro@gmail.com>
Sent: Monday, 14 February 2011 7:14 PM
To: Syncro_T3_Australia@yahoogroups.com
Subject: Re: [Syncro_T3_Australia] RE: Gear selector



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